It has begun! Our journey, and you're all coming with us!

[leggysman]

I think if leggysandy said that to me, about me finding another woman to play with, I wouldn't be too keen. Despite being a horny heterosexual man, my kink is all about her, and -- like you -- my wife is my type; my wife is who I want. And I've had lots of partners. I'm not interested in making a project out of finding someone else for me.

That said, if something just kind of happened, I'm sure I would embrace it with gusto. A hypothetical situation might be: she finds and attractive couple who both swing, and she wants to play with the husband, and needs someone to keep the wife busy. I would be happy to help

[leggysman]

It's funny - I read my own answer above, and I think of all the wannabes' wives out there who say the same thing. That they're happy and satisfied in their married sex lives and don't need more partners. And we men always think that can't really be true -- that if she only sampled all the sexual variety she could have, she would be converted. My leggysandy was one of those. And yet, in leggysandy's case, we men were right: she did sample, and she has enjoyed it

Maybe it's a little bit different because extramarital dating is much easier for women. All she has to do is sign up to a hookup site, and all the interested fellows come banging down her door. Maybe if the roles were reversed, and hot women would be queueing up to date me, I would think of it differently.

But there is one other important difference: I don't read that your wife is saying she would be turned on by you playing with other women. If she was begging you, saying "it would be really hot for me" ... that would be something quite different, no?

[snoogaloo82]

So we have been talking since our meetup this week about everything. Specifically how she noticed I didn't seem to have enjoyed it as much as the first time.

This is all still a lot to process. And she threw a curve ball my way. Last night she told me I could have another woman if I wanted.

We both touched on the fact that I didn't seem to have as much fun this last time, let alone near as much fun as her. She mentioned that it seems like once we both got on board with this, that I have just touched my toes to the water while she dove right in.

She told me when she is in the moment like that, she feels so free from the obligations of life that we all have to deal with. I am thinking she wants me to experience that as well (and doesn't want me to get tired of this lifestyle already -- I'm pretty sure this is actually what it is).

I reiterated with her what she's already known these last 20 years of talking about this fantasy. That I always only thought about her doing this. Not us becoming full swingers and me playing with women.

She told me that if it happened, she wouldn't want to watch or anything. I'm guessing it would be a situation where we would swing it different hotel rooms. This sounds very corny, but I could only be into another woman if she looked like my wife lol. My wife is my type.

Has anyone here ever encountered this situation? Gone from hotwife couple to full swinging couple? I may want to make a separate thread on this particular discussion.

She growled? WOW!! That must've been an amazing thing to hear! I would have loved to have heard her growl!
Wishing you all kinds of happiness no matter if you choose to partake of her saying for you to try another woman or not.

[Pixunine]

It's funny - I read my own answer above, and I think of all the wannabes' wives out there who say the same thing. That they're happy and satisfied in their married sex lives and don't need more partners. And we men always think that can't really be true -- that if she only sampled all the sexual variety she could have, she would be converted. My leggysandy was one of those. And yet, in leggysandy's case, we men were right: she did sample, and she has enjoyed it

Maybe it's a little bit different because extramarital dating is much easier for women. All she has to do is sign up to a hookup site, and all the interested fellows come banging down her door. Maybe if the roles were reversed, and hot women would be queueing up to date me, I would think of it differently.

But there is one other important difference: I don't read that your wife is saying she would be turned on by you playing with other women. If she was begging you, saying "it would be really hot for me" ... that would be something quite different, no?

No, she said it wouldn't turn her on. She said it's not her thing. But it was something I wanted in order to stay excited about this new lifestyle we are beginning, then she would be consenting of it.

She wants me to go to a bar and get hit on to see my self-confidence/self-esteem increase (based on that very topic you mentioned about it being way more difficult for men than woman).

I reiterated to her that I had never thought of being a hot husband or whatever the hell it's called until she mentioned it.
I acknowledged her mentioning I wasn't as excited as the first time. But I had several things going on in my mind at the time unrelated to what was taking place in front of me.

That I enjoy seeing the other guy on her and of course want it to be me, and that I enjoy seeing her be in euphoria (her words). I also said I never thought I would be envious of her and also wanting that kind of release. She said being with a stranger completely inhibited feels euphoric for that short time they are doing it. She said she could be in a room full of people and not know or care they are there watching. All cares and obligations of adulthood are gone for that short moment and she feels out of reality. When she said that I was like, "holy shit I want some of that. I need a euphoric release lmao"

She basically said I could hookup with another woman if it "meant I won't pull the rug out from under her on getting to fuck strangers".

Here is my dilemma. Sure, hooking up with another woman would be great. However I put my wife first above everything. She doesn't get off on the idea of me being with someone else ("yet"... Her words). But I want to make CERTAIN that her decision is consensual and not pressured. I flat out told her and will tell her again that I have no intention on pulling the rug out and do not want her to think I am holding something over her head for me to "get what I want" so to speak.

She wants me to have the same kind of excitement that she has. She told me to stop trying to video it all and just sit back with a bag of popcorn and enjoy the porno in front of me.

I'll be doing that tomorrow. She gets to fuck a dude in the military who will be showing up in full uniform for her to remove. I'll video that because she told me with the two encounters we have had, her favorite part of both was the beginning when they were undressing eachother.

The other thing about this evolution is how different we are in terms of our bdsm quiz spectrum you could say. I love to watch, she does not. So while I enjoy helping her go though profiles, find men, enjoy reading their sexting, and watching them fuck, she told me if I hookup or we take turns hooking up with people she would not want to watch or have anything to do with it (so she won't have to compare herself to the other woman). I'm conflicted because I personally her to pick out the women for me. It just seems fun to me. She says she wouldn't want to do it so I'm definitely not going to pressure it at all.

She also said it would have to be me hooking up with single women and not us trying to meet up with swinger couples. She doesn't want to be swingers and would rather us just randomly hookup with strangers.

Anyway it just makes me want to make sure if I were to ever do anything that it would be fully consented to by her. Because I love her and don't want upset her.

[Pixunine]

So we have been talking since our meetup this week about everything. Specifically how she noticed I didn't seem to have enjoyed it as much as the first time.

This is all still a lot to process. And she threw a curve ball my way. Last night she told me I could have another woman if I wanted.

We both touched on the fact that I didn't seem to have as much fun this last time, let alone near as much fun as her. She mentioned that it seems like once we both got on board with this, that I have just touched my toes to the water while she dove right in.

She told me when she is in the moment like that, she feels so free from the obligations of life that we all have to deal with. I am thinking she wants me to experience that as well (and doesn't want me to get tired of this lifestyle already -- I'm pretty sure this is actually what it is).

I reiterated with her what she's already known these last 20 years of talking about this fantasy. That I always only thought about her doing this. Not us becoming full swingers and me playing with women.

She told me that if it happened, she wouldn't want to watch or anything. I'm guessing it would be a situation where we would swing it different hotel rooms. This sounds very corny, but I could only be into another woman if she looked like my wife lol. My wife is my type.

Has anyone here ever encountered this situation? Gone from hotwife couple to full swinging couple? I may want to make a separate thread on this particular discussion.

She growled? WOW!! That must've been an amazing thing to hear! I would have loved to have heard her growl!
Wishing you all kinds of happiness no matter if you choose to partake of her saying for you to try another woman or not.

It was amazing to hear! My eyes went wide and my jaw dropped. It was better than any kind of moan. It was so primal!

[snoogaloo82]

So we have been talking since our meetup this week about everything. Specifically how she noticed I didn't seem to have enjoyed it as much as the first time.

This is all still a lot to process. And she threw a curve ball my way. Last night she told me I could have another woman if I wanted.

We both touched on the fact that I didn't seem to have as much fun this last time, let alone near as much fun as her. She mentioned that it seems like once we both got on board with this, that I have just touched my toes to the water while she dove right in.

She told me when she is in the moment like that, she feels so free from the obligations of life that we all have to deal with. I am thinking she wants me to experience that as well (and doesn't want me to get tired of this lifestyle already -- I'm pretty sure this is actually what it is).

I reiterated with her what she's already known these last 20 years of talking about this fantasy. That I always only thought about her doing this. Not us becoming full swingers and me playing with women.

She told me that if it happened, she wouldn't want to watch or anything. I'm guessing it would be a situation where we would swing it different hotel rooms. This sounds very corny, but I could only be into another woman if she looked like my wife lol. My wife is my type.

Has anyone here ever encountered this situation? Gone from hotwife couple to full swinging couple? I may want to make a separate thread on this particular discussion.

She growled? WOW!! That must've been an amazing thing to hear! I would have loved to have heard her growl!
Wishing you all kinds of happiness no matter if you choose to partake of her saying for you to try another woman or not.

It was amazing to hear! My eyes went wide and my jaw dropped. It was better than any kind of moan. It was so primal!

Wow! I wish you had a recorder for that! That would be so amazing to be able to hear that growl!

[trecital]

A growler!

[Pixunine]

Update

Well yesterday was interesting. The guy we met was a bit nervous I think. He didn't want to use a condom but had to. I think the condom may have played a part with performance anxiety.

I can relate. I hate condoms. Lol

When they began they were grinding bare. I didn't realize they were grinding. I thought he inserted her without a condom.
I figured my wife had just not realized it. I waited while she enjoyed it a bit then casually tossed the condom box on the bed next to them

My wife thought that was funny as hell (she loves my reactions to things). 'Subtle, babe ' she said lol

I mean, I was just trying to subtly help everyone remember the rules but he wasn't even inside her yet lmfao.

(But he did go in the first time without lube and broke the condom )

Anyway the whole thing was a big let down for her and really awkward. But it comes with the territory.

Y'all wanna hear our schedule? Lmao

Friday this week she is meeting with her favorite Latino. This will make it the third time. He will probably become a regular.

Monday and Wednesday next week we are meeting two different people. Then comes the two week school break. (Which is the reason for all this rushed activity.)

In January she has another roster to go through lmao. Then she is going to just knock it down to one or two (or three or four) regulars.

She is more into the idea of having regulars. As am I. Because you are done with the awkwardness of initial meetings and such. Plus I can't keep up I'm 39 I'm old as fk lmao. Gotta get a damn roladex.

But seriously, with doing the hookups, working, taking care of kids after school and everyday life it chips away my opportunity to have sexy time with her. So I'm looking forward to the slowdown.

Another thing is she is beginning to talk with her first BBC. I'm hoping he is more experienced than others. I told him everyone else so far just races into it and he should take it really slow when they meetup because the foreplay and the slow strip down is her favorite thing.

One thing I noticed is I need to keep myself in the correct headspace or else it isn't as fun as it could be for me. She has to chat/sext with these guys to get a connection and build some sexual tension or else it's a no go. That stuff doesn't do anything for me so I sometimes get annoyed because it's the same thing over and over with these guys and it's boring.
But I have to remember the purpose for it and that it is for her/our fun and I get to enjoy the ride.

The one thing I am trying to figure out is what in the hell do I do while I'm sitting there? lmao
It's so comically awkward

[Long Lurker 34]

Update

Well yesterday was interesting. The guy we met was a bit nervous I think. He didn't want to use a condom but had to. I think the condom may have played a part with performance anxiety.

I can relate. I hate condoms. Lol

When they began they were grinding bare. I didn't realize they were grinding. I thought he inserted her without a condom.
I figured my wife had just not realized it. I waited while she enjoyed it a bit then casually tossed the condom box on the bed next to them

My wife thought that was funny as hell (she loves my reactions to things). 'Subtle, babe ' she said lol

I mean, I was just trying to subtly help everyone remember the rules but he wasn't even inside her yet lmfao.

(But he did go in the first time without lube and broke the condom )

Anyway the whole thing was a big let down for her and really awkward. But it comes with the territory.

Y'all wanna hear our schedule? Lmao

Friday this week she is meeting with her favorite Latino. This will make it the third time. He will probably become a regular.

Monday and Wednesday next week we are meeting two different people. Then comes the two week school break. (Which is the reason for all this rushed activity.)

In January she has another roster to go through lmao. Then she is going to just knock it down to one or two (or three or four) regulars.

She is more into the idea of having regulars. As am I. Because you are done with the awkwardness of initial meetings and such. Plus I can't keep up I'm 39 I'm old as fk lmao. Gotta get a damn roladex.

But seriously, with doing the hookups, working, taking care of kids after school and everyday life it chips away my opportunity to have sexy time with her. So I'm looking forward to the slowdown.

Another thing is she is beginning to talk with her first BBC. I'm hoping he is more experienced than others. I told him everyone else so far just races into it and he should take it really slow when they meetup because the foreplay and the slow strip down is her favorite thing.

One thing I noticed is I need to keep myself in the correct headspace or else it isn't as fun as it could be for me. She has to chat/sext with these guys to get a connection and build some sexual tension or else it's a no go. That stuff doesn't do anything for me so I sometimes get annoyed because it's the same thing over and over with these guys and it's boring.
But I have to remember the purpose for it and that it is for her/our fun and I get to enjoy the ride.

The one thing I am trying to figure out is what in the hell do I do while I'm sitting there? lmao
It's so comically awkward

P - Oh I think that is a must. After all your mind can get going in the wrong direction and that could be really bad for any continuation of HWing activity.
- Which begs the question of, once she has some established regulars, will you want to or need to be there with her for all her dates?

[Pixunine]

Update

Well yesterday was interesting. The guy we met was a bit nervous I think. He didn't want to use a condom but had to. I think the condom may have played a part with performance anxiety.

I can relate. I hate condoms. Lol

When they began they were grinding bare. I didn't realize they were grinding. I thought he inserted her without a condom.
I figured my wife had just not realized it. I waited while she enjoyed it a bit then casually tossed the condom box on the bed next to them

My wife thought that was funny as hell (she loves my reactions to things). 'Subtle, babe ' she said lol

I mean, I was just trying to subtly help everyone remember the rules but he wasn't even inside her yet lmfao.

(But he did go in the first time without lube and broke the condom )

Anyway the whole thing was a big let down for her and really awkward. But it comes with the territory.

Y'all wanna hear our schedule? Lmao

Friday this week she is meeting with her favorite Latino. This will make it the third time. He will probably become a regular.

Monday and Wednesday next week we are meeting two different people. Then comes the two week school break. (Which is the reason for all this rushed activity.)

In January she has another roster to go through lmao. Then she is going to just knock it down to one or two (or three or four) regulars.

She is more into the idea of having regulars. As am I. Because you are done with the awkwardness of initial meetings and such. Plus I can't keep up I'm 39 I'm old as fk lmao. Gotta get a damn roladex.

But seriously, with doing the hookups, working, taking care of kids after school and everyday life it chips away my opportunity to have sexy time with her. So I'm looking forward to the slowdown.

Another thing is she is beginning to talk with her first BBC. I'm hoping he is more experienced than others. I told him everyone else so far just races into it and he should take it really slow when they meetup because the foreplay and the slow strip down is her favorite thing.

One thing I noticed is I need to keep myself in the correct headspace or else it isn't as fun as it could be for me. She has to chat/sext with these guys to get a connection and build some sexual tension or else it's a no go. That stuff doesn't do anything for me so I sometimes get annoyed because it's the same thing over and over with these guys and it's boring.
But I have to remember the purpose for it and that it is for her/our fun and I get to enjoy the ride.

The one thing I am trying to figure out is what in the hell do I do while I'm sitting there? lmao
It's so comically awkward

P - Oh I think that is a must. After all your mind can get going in the wrong direction and that could be really bad for any continuation of HWing activity.
- Which begs the question of, once she has some established regulars, will you want to or need to be there with her for all her dates?

What you said is definitely, definitely true.


I doubt I will need to be there nor want it. It can get boring when it is a repeat. Especially when you take into account the fact that when he is on top, you see more of his ass than anything else. So it gets boring . All the positions in porn are for the camera and seldom applicable for real life. IRL you just see a lot of man butt. Lol. Butt we are still learning. Tomorrow we meet with a guy for the third time. That is the most thus far with one person. We shall see if I get bored or not.

Logistics is against us in all this. We are rural, everyone is around 1 to 1.5 hours away, and we only have late mornings on weekdays to play and those have to be scheduled in advance lol

If it's a regular, I'm not necessarily worried about trust, but I'm always going to be worried about safety.

The other thing is I am almost to the point where I am nearly ready to meet up with another woman myself. Not quite though. When it comes to it, I am very picky with whom I may want to be the only person I've been with besides my wife. I need someone that causes me to fear them sexually.

But in all seriousness I currently don't like the idea of me having casual hookups alone with other women. I've always enjoyed doing stuff together with my wife. It's just more fun.

And it can create a double standard in my mind of me going off alone for my hookups but being there watching during my wife's hookups.
--- even though she isn't a voyeur, I am, and she likes seeing my reactions.
So once she has established regulars whom we feel safe around, I'm hoping the alone time thing can happen more.

This evolution has been interesting. She likes me watching her, I like watching her. But if it is me meeting up with a woman, she doesn't want to be there because watching doesn't turn her on.... Yet.

She did say that she currently doesn't want to be swingers. However she can't say what she will be like anytime in the future anymore. Because she said just last night that a little over a month ago she never would have thought she'd be doing all this. So anything is on the table.

I gotta get in better shape though if im going to be more confident in trying to tackle being swingers together in the future. Lol

[SilverStag]

Just a little advice about "swinging", most people think that swingers are indiscriminate copulators, which is not the case 99% of the time. In reality, it's getting to know people that you are attracted to and becoming friends (short or long-term) and moving to the bedroom later. It's really about Friends with benefits more than DTF meet-ups. It isn't that far a leap from making vanilla friends, however in this case, you understand where it may go from the outset.

It is true that physical attractiveness certainly helps, but attitude is more of the important thing. Think sexy and confident, be fun to be around and you may be surprised at how many people will find you attractive.

[Long Lurker 34]

Update

Well yesterday was interesting. The guy we met was a bit nervous I think. He didn't want to use a condom but had to. I think the condom may have played a part with performance anxiety.

I can relate. I hate condoms. Lol

When they began they were grinding bare. I didn't realize they were grinding. I thought he inserted her without a condom.
I figured my wife had just not realized it. I waited while she enjoyed it a bit then casually tossed the condom box on the bed next to them

My wife thought that was funny as hell (she loves my reactions to things). 'Subtle, babe ' she said lol

I mean, I was just trying to subtly help everyone remember the rules but he wasn't even inside her yet lmfao.

(But he did go in the first time without lube and broke the condom )

Anyway the whole thing was a big let down for her and really awkward. But it comes with the territory.

Y'all wanna hear our schedule? Lmao

Friday this week she is meeting with her favorite Latino. This will make it the third time. He will probably become a regular.

Monday and Wednesday next week we are meeting two different people. Then comes the two week school break. (Which is the reason for all this rushed activity.)

In January she has another roster to go through lmao. Then she is going to just knock it down to one or two (or three or four) regulars.

She is more into the idea of having regulars. As am I. Because you are done with the awkwardness of initial meetings and such. Plus I can't keep up I'm 39 I'm old as fk lmao. Gotta get a damn roladex.

But seriously, with doing the hookups, working, taking care of kids after school and everyday life it chips away my opportunity to have sexy time with her. So I'm looking forward to the slowdown.

Another thing is she is beginning to talk with her first BBC. I'm hoping he is more experienced than others. I told him everyone else so far just races into it and he should take it really slow when they meetup because the foreplay and the slow strip down is her favorite thing.

One thing I noticed is I need to keep myself in the correct headspace or else it isn't as fun as it could be for me. She has to chat/sext with these guys to get a connection and build some sexual tension or else it's a no go. That stuff doesn't do anything for me so I sometimes get annoyed because it's the same thing over and over with these guys and it's boring.
But I have to remember the purpose for it and that it is for her/our fun and I get to enjoy the ride.

The one thing I am trying to figure out is what in the hell do I do while I'm sitting there? lmao
It's so comically awkward

P - Oh I think that is a must. After all your mind can get going in the wrong direction and that could be really bad for any continuation of HWing activity.
- Which begs the question of, once she has some established regulars, will you want to or need to be there with her for all her dates?

What you said is definitely, definitely true.


I doubt I will need to be there nor want it. It can get boring when it is a repeat. Especially when you take into account the fact that when he is on top, you see more of his ass than anything else. So it gets boring . All the positions in porn are for the camera and seldom applicable for real life. IRL you just see a lot of man butt. Lol. Butt we are still learning. Tomorrow we meet with a guy for the third time. That is the most thus far with one person. We shall see if I get bored or not.

Logistics is against us in all this. We are rural, everyone is around 1 to 1.5 hours away, and we only have late mornings on weekdays to play and those have to be scheduled in advance lol

If it's a regular, I'm not necessarily worried about trust, but I'm always going to be worried about safety.

The other thing is I am almost to the point where I am nearly ready to meet up with another woman myself. Not quite though. When it comes to it, I am very picky with whom I may want to be the only person I've been with besides my wife. I need someone that causes me to fear them sexually.

But in all seriousness I currently don't like the idea of me having casual hookups alone with other women. I've always enjoyed doing stuff together with my wife. It's just more fun.

And it can create a double standard in my mind of me going off alone for my hookups but being there watching during my wife's hookups.
--- even though she isn't a voyeur, I am, and she likes seeing my reactions.
So once she has established regulars whom we feel safe around, I'm hoping the alone time thing can happen more.

This evolution has been interesting. She likes me watching her, I like watching her. But if it is me meeting up with a woman, she doesn't want to be there because watching doesn't turn her on.... Yet.

She did say that she currently doesn't want to be swingers. However she can't say what she will be like anytime in the future anymore. Because she said just last night that a little over a month ago she never would have thought she'd be doing all this. So anything is on the table.

I gotta get in better shape though if im going to be more confident in trying to tackle being swingers together in the future. Lol

P - To help with the boredom can I recommend score cards, much the same as competitive figure skating.
- Absolutely a priority, alone dates only after real consideration.
- With established regulars, once this is agreed on, perhaps she could provide you with some videos. Go Pro and phone quick and easy to set up and multiple views. She can always see your reaction while you watch and provide a nice hand job relieving you of that tiresome job.

[Pixunine]

Just a little advice about "swinging", most people think that swingers are indiscriminate copulators, which is not the case 99% of the time. In reality, it's getting to know people that you are attracted to and becoming friends (short or long-term) and moving to the bedroom later. It's really about Friends with benefits more than DTF meet-ups. It isn't that far a leap from making vanilla friends, however in this case, you understand where it may go from the outset.

It is true that physical attractiveness certainly helps, but attitude is more of the important thing. Think sexy and confident, be fun to be around and you may be surprised at how many people will find you attractive.

Thank you so much for the comments. I agree about swinging, especially when fully embraced. Meeting new friends, going on trips together, and naughtiness. It won't be anything we can do until later in life. Simply due to our kids being small still.
It would only be an unusual situation where a couple reached out to us in a DTF or local FWB situation that it would probably be anytime soon.

I also wanted to thank you for saying what is in bold. You made my day, and helped me adjust my focus and mindset.

[Pixunine]

Update

Well yesterday was interesting. The guy we met was a bit nervous I think. He didn't want to use a condom but had to. I think the condom may have played a part with performance anxiety.

I can relate. I hate condoms. Lol

When they began they were grinding bare. I didn't realize they were grinding. I thought he inserted her without a condom.
I figured my wife had just not realized it. I waited while she enjoyed it a bit then casually tossed the condom box on the bed next to them

My wife thought that was funny as hell (she loves my reactions to things). 'Subtle, babe ' she said lol

I mean, I was just trying to subtly help everyone remember the rules but he wasn't even inside her yet lmfao.

(But he did go in the first time without lube and broke the condom )

Anyway the whole thing was a big let down for her and really awkward. But it comes with the territory.

Y'all wanna hear our schedule? Lmao

Friday this week she is meeting with her favorite Latino. This will make it the third time. He will probably become a regular.

Monday and Wednesday next week we are meeting two different people. Then comes the two week school break. (Which is the reason for all this rushed activity.)

In January she has another roster to go through lmao. Then she is going to just knock it down to one or two (or three or four) regulars.

She is more into the idea of having regulars. As am I. Because you are done with the awkwardness of initial meetings and such. Plus I can't keep up I'm 39 I'm old as fk lmao. Gotta get a damn roladex.

But seriously, with doing the hookups, working, taking care of kids after school and everyday life it chips away my opportunity to have sexy time with her. So I'm looking forward to the slowdown.

Another thing is she is beginning to talk with her first BBC. I'm hoping he is more experienced than others. I told him everyone else so far just races into it and he should take it really slow when they meetup because the foreplay and the slow strip down is her favorite thing.

One thing I noticed is I need to keep myself in the correct headspace or else it isn't as fun as it could be for me. She has to chat/sext with these guys to get a connection and build some sexual tension or else it's a no go. That stuff doesn't do anything for me so I sometimes get annoyed because it's the same thing over and over with these guys and it's boring.
But I have to remember the purpose for it and that it is for her/our fun and I get to enjoy the ride.

The one thing I am trying to figure out is what in the hell do I do while I'm sitting there? lmao
It's so comically awkward

P - Oh I think that is a must. After all your mind can get going in the wrong direction and that could be really bad for any continuation of HWing activity.
- Which begs the question of, once she has some established regulars, will you want to or need to be there with her for all her dates?

What you said is definitely, definitely true.


I doubt I will need to be there nor want it. It can get boring when it is a repeat. Especially when you take into account the fact that when he is on top, you see more of his ass than anything else. So it gets boring . All the positions in porn are for the camera and seldom applicable for real life. IRL you just see a lot of man butt. Lol. Butt we are still learning. Tomorrow we meet with a guy for the third time. That is the most thus far with one person. We shall see if I get bored or not.

Logistics is against us in all this. We are rural, everyone is around 1 to 1.5 hours away, and we only have late mornings on weekdays to play and those have to be scheduled in advance lol

If it's a regular, I'm not necessarily worried about trust, but I'm always going to be worried about safety.

The other thing is I am almost to the point where I am nearly ready to meet up with another woman myself. Not quite though. When it comes to it, I am very picky with whom I may want to be the only person I've been with besides my wife. I need someone that causes me to fear them sexually.

But in all seriousness I currently don't like the idea of me having casual hookups alone with other women. I've always enjoyed doing stuff together with my wife. It's just more fun.

And it can create a double standard in my mind of me going off alone for my hookups but being there watching during my wife's hookups.
--- even though she isn't a voyeur, I am, and she likes seeing my reactions.
So once she has established regulars whom we feel safe around, I'm hoping the alone time thing can happen more.

This evolution has been interesting. She likes me watching her, I like watching her. But if it is me meeting up with a woman, she doesn't want to be there because watching doesn't turn her on.... Yet.

She did say that she currently doesn't want to be swingers. However she can't say what she will be like anytime in the future anymore. Because she said just last night that a little over a month ago she never would have thought she'd be doing all this. So anything is on the table.

I gotta get in better shape though if im going to be more confident in trying to tackle being swingers together in the future. Lol

P - To help with the boredom can I recommend score cards, much the same as competitive figure skating.
- Absolutely a priority, alone dates only after real consideration.
- With established regulars, once this is agreed on, perhaps she could provide you with some videos. Go Pro and phone quick and easy to set up and multiple views. She can always see your reaction while you watch and provide a nice hand job relieving you of that tiresome job.

LMFAO

I may make some small scorecards to hold up as a joke lmfao

[snoogaloo82]

Just a little advice about "swinging", most people think that swingers are indiscriminate copulators, which is not the case 99% of the time. In reality, it's getting to know people that you are attracted to and becoming friends (short or long-term) and moving to the bedroom later. It's really about Friends with benefits more than DTF meet-ups. It isn't that far a leap from making vanilla friends, however in this case, you understand where it may go from the outset.

It is true that physical attractiveness certainly helps, but attitude is more of the important thing. Think sexy and confident, be fun to be around and you may be surprised at how many people will find you attractive.

I believe that this is FANTASTIC advice!! I hope you get this put somewhere where others can see it always at a moments glance especially those of us who live the LS. Really amazing! Thank you so much!!!!!

[Greg_N_Shelley]

There’s nothing more liberating than hearing one’s wife give permission and encourage fun with other women. But I suggest exploring that new freedom in ‘small steps of test’ until you’re both sure jealousy isn’t going to rear its ugly head. As Leggysman wrote:

But there is one other important difference: I don't read that your wife is saying she would be turned on by you playing with other women. If she was begging you, saying "it would be really hot for me" ... that would be something quite different, no?

There’s a big difference between those of us who are excited by our spouse being with another and spouses who give consent for reasons of altruism or equability.

When Shelley’s libido dropped and she lost interest in HW sports, she gave me consent to play with other wives. But I discovered quickly she did that largely because she felt guilty I may have been unfulfilled and felt it was only fair since I gave her complete freedom in the past. She’s seen me with other women when we experimented with couples and knows I’d never leave her. But all that said, the idea of me and another woman bothers her at a visceral level nevertheless.

But people are different and maybe your girl is completely cool with it. I'm sure she's sincere in her support. I just propose taking it in small steps in case there's a hidden or suppressed side of her that is uneasy with you and other women.

[Small]

This is such an great thread. I love reading stories about how it all starts and evolves from there, especially how the hotwife gets from being a traditional wife who "would never do such a thing" to have the men lined up to "do" her. That transformation is particularly interesting to me.

To the OP: In this particular case, when your wife tells you that she would be OK with you being with another woman, it is off course very important that you are 1000% sure that your wife is not testing you to see if, deep down, for you to be with other women was not the main purpose of it all. That would lead to a very sad outcome of this. I will say that it sounds like it is not the case and that she just wants to make sure that you are still into it (since she is clearly wanting it now) and based on your last experience she fear that you may already be losing interest and so she came up with this option. As long as you get what you want sexually from your lovely wife, is that step necessary or something that you want? Could a FMF threesome (you, your wife and a second woman) be the alternative option here? I know that she says she has no interest in watching you with other women but her being involved may be a different thing?

[snoogaloo82]

This is such an great thread. I love reading stories about how it all starts and evolves from there, especially how the hotwife gets from being a traditional wife who "would never do such a thing" to have the men lined up to "do" her. That transformation is particularly interesting to me.

To the OP: In this particular case, when your wife tells you that she would be OK with you being with another woman, it is off course very important that you are 1000% sure that your wife is not testing you to see if, deep down, for you to be with other women was not the main purpose of it all. That would lead to a very sad outcome of this. I will say that it sounds like it is not the case and that she just wants to make sure that you are still into it (since she is clearly wanting it now) and based on your last experience she fear that you may already be losing interest and so she came up with this option. As long as you get what you want sexually from your lovely wife, is that step necessary or something that you want? Could a FMF threesome (you, your wife and a second woman) be the alternative option here? I know that she says she has no interest in watching you with other women but her being involved may be a different thing?

I'll leave the question to the person it's directed at, but I just want to point out that the majority of couples in a hotwife relationship the man is always faithful to the woman, and the woman can sleep with whomever she wants to sleep with be it a man or a woman. She gets to choose, the man usually has no say in things unless the hotwife gives him permission. It's far less submissive with a Stag/Vixen relationship, but if I'm not mistaken, and please anyone who knows better please step in, a Stag/Vixen relationship its usually about multiple men in the relationship, though not exclusively. Just my two cents worth and maybe a dime extra. lol $.12

[KinkyBear]

An amazing journey you are on! Congrats!

Some quick video advice. Buy 2 or 3 action cams. Knock off gopro types that you can put in small tripods. Most have a single button to push and record until the memory card is full or the battery dies. Set them up around the room. One on the night stand is key so you get all the great sounds! Even the whispers. Then sit back with a drink. It is so much easier than trying to record. And when you watch the videos back, you will find fun tidbits that you never knew were happening!

The cameras are also helpful when she has a date without you. Easy for her to set it and forget it and enjoy her time. And you haven’t missed anything.

Good luck!

[snoogaloo82]

An amazing journey you are on! Congrats!

Some quick video advice. Buy 2 or 3 action cams. Knock off gopro types that you can put in small tripods. Most have a single button to push and record until the memory card is full or the battery dies. Set them up around the room. One on the night stand is key so you get all the great sounds! Even the whispers. Then sit back with a drink. It is so much easier than trying to record. And when you watch the videos back, you will find fun tidbits that you never knew were happening!

The cameras are also helpful when she has a date without you. Easy for her to set it and forget it and enjoy her time. And you haven’t missed anything.

Good luck!

That was extremely helpful! thank you so much...we just might use it ourselves. thanks again for all the information!!

[anneshubby2]

I hope all is going well and there are no problems. You and your wife’s adventures are hot and I hope you keep sharing.

[Pixunine]

I hope all is going well and there are no problems. You and your wife’s adventures are hot and I hope you keep sharing.

Still here. Just have taken a break from documenting as it was getting repetitive lol

She has met up with six men so far since this began. Fucked four of them. She has a primal level of passion within her. We are looking into finding a couple of men for a MFM or even a foursome with her and three other men. I am certain she can handle it.

It is very difficult finding men who can bring friends vs just trying to find random men who aren't shy around another man.

Her birthday is coming up soon. We are going to invite a guy to spend the night with us at a cabin. I've had many fantasies over the years of her sleeping in bed with me and another guy. Both of us pleasuring her. Me waking up to him fucking her.

If we weren't in such a rural area we would be having a lot more fun than we are.

[airhorn]

I hope all is going well and there are no problems. You and your wife’s adventures are hot and I hope you keep sharing.

Still here. Just have taken a break from documenting as it was getting repetitive lol

She has met up with six men so far since this began. Fucked four of them. She has a primal level of passion within her. We are looking into finding a couple of men for a MFM or even a foursome with her and three other men. I am certain she can handle it.

It is very difficult finding men who can bring friends vs just trying to find random men who aren't shy around another man.

Her birthday is coming up soon. We are going to invite a guy to spend the night with us at a cabin. I've had many fantasies over the years of her sleeping in bed with me and another guy. Both of us pleasuring her. Me waking up to him fucking her.

If we weren't in such a rural area we would be having a lot more fun than we are.

Well, if you're finding the repetitiveness tedious to write about, I can understand that. I have to admit it would take a lot of repetition to make me tired of reading about it.

[CuriousHusband91941]

Did she have her first BBC?
What is your wife’s disposition now compared to when you were just monogamous?

[jonny3456]

Fantastic thread, really enjoyed reading it. I clicked on the link to your photos of her so I could imagine what she looks like. So hot - no wonder she has men wanting ti come back for more

Also beautiful pictures - really like your use of light, and how you accentuate her sensual feminism.
How did you go about taking them to get such good results …? Did you pose them or are they curated from hundreds or thousands of pictures you’ve taken of her over. Along period in the bedroom …?

Lastly -
My enjoyment comes from being a man who enjoys being with a happily married woman. It is sublime … so I’m on the other side of the tracks - but love reading about couples experiences as wives become liberated so the couple can enjoy her enjoying men like myself and how I adore being pleasure to the woman …