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Unread post by Ben_Bradman » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:52 am

Always great to hear from you. Thank you. Sarah and you have amazing ability to evolve, push boundaries, and make life more interesting and fun by orders of magnitude now and then.

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Unread post by SutterKane » Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:47 am

My wife loves the way her black Bull fucks her. She says he fucks her like she's just a cunt for his big black cock to use. She says I fuck her like she's my wife. She like's his way better. :)
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Unread post by Guhunkadorn » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:55 am

subguy80 wrote:
Guhunkadorn wrote:I may be visiting them sometime in next few months so I'll know more about their current 411 then.
Thank you for taking the time to post this experience you had. I find it fascinating and encouraging. If you do visit them, please do give us an update. I seriously would like to know how things are going with them. What you didn't talk about is how your buddy handled this "information" with you. It sounds like he wasn't embarrassed, but maybe didn't feel compelled to talk about it much with you? I'm wondering if he will open up if you see him again? Thanks for posting.

Correct, nothing was spoken between my friend and myself. It was the 'elephant in the room'. I would say my buddy handled the information with me non-verbally. The observations I made where clear and spoke volumes and maybe he figured he didn't need to add anything. You are also correct in assuming that he wasn't embarrassed, not at all. Almost proud actually. At one point I stared at length into the kitchen - watching his wife and her bf - then I turned to him with semi raised eyebrows offering him a chance to discuss the issue, but he casually deferred and nothing was mentioned between us.

I'll gladly share any new information I may gather if I visit them. A frank discussion with him would be ideal.

Your story is incredible.

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Unread post by SutterKane » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:36 am

I would enjoy hearing about it too.
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Unread post by subguy80 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:45 pm

I’m wondering if any of you cuckold husbands have relinquished part of your clothes’ closet and dresser to your wife’s BF/bull? Is this common or is it just me? Since Jamal has changed his work hours, he’s stopping by our house on a regular basis on his way to work. He has claimed a full drawer in my dresser and has taken a portion of our walk-in closet.

My wife’s ex-BF used to keep a few things in our bedroom, as well, and it was hot for me. But this is much more. Jamal’s tooth brush is now on our bathroom counter and he has a drawer for his toiletries in our bathroom.

It’s a visual, constant reminder of his presence and his “connection” to Sarah, which, on the one hand, is a huge turn-on. So, yes, there is a big erotic side for me. However, I've just come home and walked into my closet to see his underwear lying on the floor. I mentioned something to Sarah and she said, “You do know he does that deliberately, right, so that you’ll have to pick it up?” She asked me if I wanted her to pick it up, but I told her, no, I’d do it.

I think I mentioned this before, but he leaves his used jock straps and gym clothes in a corner of the closet. I didn’t think 25-year-olds even wore jock straps anymore. I’m sure he gets off thinking of me picking up his used underwear and sweaty jock straps. Sarah laughed it off and reminded me that, after all, he does a lot to “pack up” and keep in place in that jock strap. She has a point.

I suppose the solution is to have him put his clothes in with our clothes in the hamper. I heard him tell Sarah he didn’t want her to have to do his laundry. The implication wasn’t that he’d do his own laundry, it was that I’d do it. I’m complaining a bit, but the truth is I got an erection the last time I washed his clothes, dried, folded them and put them in his (my) dresser.

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Unread post by Suchen Zucker » Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:51 pm

Have you thought about what you will say when one of your neighbors takes you aside to warn you that your wife is fucking her black friend every day after you leave for work? I'm sure they are all talking about it trying to decide who should tell you. Do your kids play with other kids in the neighborhood?

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Unread post by Xalar11 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:08 pm

Suchen Zucker wrote:Have you thought about what you will say when one of your neighbors takes you aside to warn you that your wife is fucking her black friend every day after you leave for work? I'm sure they are all talking about it trying to decide who should tell you. Do your kids play with other kids in the neighborhood?
I'm glad to know, that I'm not the only having such thoughts. But then you getting told you're too negative and you should better keep your opinion to yourself. I'm concerned Jamal is getting a little too much room in their life

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Unread post by Ben_Bradman » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:52 pm

I think Subguy80 talked about how they are managing the risks a few days ago - very cautiously and slowing finding ways of normalizing it. They must know their neighborhood.

Subguy80, based on your last couple of posts it indeed seems that Jamal is picking up what he (needs to do or can do) to pick the power/privilege that is there for his taking. He has potential - that's certain. This will become more intense. Your stories about finding enjoyment in doing laundry and getting erections from that are hilarious - the kind that results in a decent (not loud) laugh and a lonngg lasting smile.

How does Sarah prepare herself for his morning visits? Does she get ready - make up and all? Or does prefer to greet him naked in bed?

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Unread post by Serrand » Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:30 am

subguy80 wrote: I filled him in about Jamal. Eric thinks I’m completely insane for agreeing to be “pussy free” with Sarah. I didn’t expect him to understand. Besides, I don’t have 100% control over it. Sarah also wants it, so it isn’t really my decision (even though she did ask me about it, first).
Hello, it's been a while since I last checked on your thread. But it seems things with Jamal are still developing. Obviously, it's thrilling for you and Sarah. Of course that’s great for both of you. Nonetheless, I would like to consider the statement above. I mean, is it in the end not still solely your decision to forsake vaginal sex with Sarah for the moment? If you would go Sarah and would tell her the denial-game has been fun to this point, but from now on you wish to have full sex with her again, with everything that this inculdes vaginal, anal, oral - Wouldn’t Sarah happily drop everything, spread her legs for you and take you eagerly back in her pussy? (Please excuse my blunt words) Correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Another issue, I have reread some old pages. I would like to ask, if you still have contact with Aaron occasionally? If I get right, the last period when Sarah did meet with Aaron regularly was at the beginning of the year. Around January/February when you were on your business-trip to Asia. After that it seems that Sarah only met with him sporadically. And since the summer obviously Aaron has faded out oft the picture completely, so to say.

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Unread post by subguy80 » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:57 am

Serrand wrote:I mean, is it in the end not still solely your decision to forsake vaginal sex with Sarah for the moment? If you would go Sarah and would tell her the denial-game has been fun to this point, but from now on you wish to have full sex with her again, with everything that this inculdes vaginal, anal, oral - Wouldn’t Sarah happily drop everything, spread her legs for you and take you eagerly back in her pussy? I would like to ask, if you still have contact with Aaron occasionally? If I get right, the last period when Sarah did meet with Aaron regularly was at the beginning of the year. Around January/February when you were on your business-trip to Asia. After that it seems that Sarah only met with him sporadically. And since the summer obviously Aaron has faded out oft the picture completely, so to say.
Yes, if I asked her to stop and told her it was not working for me and it was threatening our marriage, of course she’d stop. But that’s not our situation. The bottom line is that I’m not at the point where I need, or want, to “change the game” right now.

One of the things I love about this LS is that, for me, it is constantly changing. My sexuality and Sarah’s sexuality are constantly evolving. I’ve talked about this evolution a lot in my posts. I haven’t had long-term sex restrictions before, but I think it is very typical for cuckold husbands (as opposed to some HW couples) to have less and less “traditional sex” with their wives when the wife is being “active” with a bull/BF. Some of you may find it hard to believe, but I’m enjoying our current set-up, even though sex with my wife has taken a turn I had not foreseen.

I think a cuckold gets sex vicariously through his wife and her lover. I know that’s true for me. I’ve experienced that many times, but never as strongly as with Sarah and Jamal. I’m aroused every morning when I wake up and jack off next to Sarah, knowing he is likely to be in bed with her in a few hours.

Re: Aaron, yes, it's been since January or February since they were together. She is still friendly with him. His boys and ours are friends and they play on the same soccer team, so we often bump into him. At first I thought the thing with Aaron ended very abruptly, but when I look back on things, it actually was falling apart for a while. When he stupidly had sex with the married daughter of a woman Sarah worked with, Sarah never got over that. It wasn't that Sarah was jealous of him having sex, it was that she went out on a limb and recommended him for some carpentry work with this woman and Sarah felt he betrayed her trust. As a follow up to the story, apparently Aaron still fucks the married daughter occasionally because Aaron hates this girl's husband. Complicated.

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Unread post by Ben_Bradman » Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:38 pm

Complicated indeed! I won't go further on Aaron's topic but I do hope that he would find ways of repairing damage regaining trust and getting in Sarah's good books again. And hopefully getting inside Sarah too at some point in future.

After the first full weekend with Jamal (the transformational one) you 'promised' us that you would share more as you absorb, process and reflect. Since then there has been another full weekend. Plus I guess Jamal is not missing any of his pre-10am windows on week days to fuck Sarah. Do you have something that's worth sharing? If nothing deep them at least juicy hot stuff?

Also curious to how he reacted to cuckold porn DVDs. And even more curious about his 'feedback' (to Sarah or to you) about the time he made you eat his cum from Sarah's pussy.

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Unread post by SutterKane » Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:49 pm

Subguy, I think that you know what I'm talking about here, but non cucks may not.
There can be a kind of internal peace knowing that an Alpha is giving your wife what she needs sexually. When you accept that he is way above you in sexual ability, in pleasing your wife better than you ever could, you just want her to have what she wants and needs. You can release those fears of "does she really want me sexually?" Is my cock enough? Does she fake her orgasms to protect my ego? Does she even think of me when we have sex or is she fantasizing about someone else? Etc, etc...When you turn sex over to an Alpha and she is craving to have his cock, not yours, all those fears can be released. You relax and enjoy the heat of their sexual relationship as much as, if not more than, the one you and she had. You get to watch her beg him for all the things you wanted to do with her, but she wouldn't do them with you. Knowing she giving him parts of her that were never even up for discussion with you. But you still get to hold her and care for her, but that stress that was always there in your bed is now so much less. You don't need to worry about getting and staying hard anymore, he's got that covered for you. You don't have to worry if you're being kind and gentle enough with her, because he will fuck her like a slut and that's what she begs him to do.
That's why a cage can be so freeing. It's a physical reminder that your little penis is in storage for the duration. See how aroused you get without the ability to get an erection and how focused on her and her needs you become. See how aroused SHE gets knowing that she has locked you penis away and that she now has complete control over it. She will love you for giving her that.
How happy for her you will get watching him stretch her with that big black cock of his. Seeing him turn her into his personal fuck toy. Watching how wanton, free and submissive to him she becomes when she no longer feels she has to pretend that she wants or needs your little penis. It like watching a caterpillar turn into a butterfly! When you embrace being denied, having your body next to her and feeling it's heat is enough to make you ache and dribble a stream of precum. It will set your body on fire with feelings and sensations that you never knew existed. Any attention she pays to your body will feel like you've died and gone to heaven.
It's hard for a non cuck to understand how that could be better that an orgasm inside your wife, but for a true cuck it really is heaven.
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Unread post by subguy80 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:53 am

SutterKane wrote:Subguy, I think that you know what I'm talking about here, but non cucks may not. There can be a kind of internal peace knowing that an Alpha is giving your wife what she needs sexually. You relax and enjoy the heat of their sexual relationship as much as, if not more than, the one you and she had. But you still get to hold her and care for her, but that stress that was always there in your bed is now so much less.
When you embrace being denied, having your body next to her and feeling it's heat is enough to make you ache and dribble a stream of precum. It will set your body on fire with feelings and sensations that you never knew existed. Any attention she pays to your body will feel like you've died and gone to heaven.
It's hard for a non cuck to understand how that could be better that an orgasm inside your wife, but for a true cuck it really is heaven.
SutterKane, I absolutely know what you're talking about! I selected the parts of your post that "hit home" with me the most.
I was never a confident lover in my younger years and was fairly insecure with my sexual abilities. The fact that I met and fell in love with this beautiful girl in college gave me some "performance anxieties," but I eventually came to realize that her non-monogamy was a positive thing rather than a negative. Other guys took some of the pressure off of me and there was a big relief in knowing I didn’t need to give her 100% of her sexual needs. As we’ve moved to cuckolding over the years, that feeling has only increased and taken on other dimensions.
Now, at 38, Sarah’s sexual drive and energy seem to be in over-drive and she seems to need more sexual attention than ever. With Jamal in the picture, I’m comfortable, even happy and relieved, that I can be the soft, sensuous, loving and tender part of Sarah's sex life and Jamal can be the excitement and animal lust part of sex that she seems to be needing right now.
I could not have articulated those feelings any better than you just did! Well said.

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Unread post by SutterKane » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:32 am

subguy80 wrote:
I could not have articulated those feelings any better than you just did! Well said.

Thanks!
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Unread post by subguy80 » Fri Nov 23, 2018 9:39 am

Ben_Bradman wrote:After the first full weekend with Jamal (the transformational one) you 'promised' us that you would share more as you absorb, process and reflect. Since then there has been another full weekend. Plus I guess Jamal is not missing any of his pre-10am windows on week days to fuck Sarah. Do you have something that's worth sharing? If nothing deep them at least juicy hot stuff? Also curious to how he reacted to cuckold porn DVDs. And even more curious about his 'feedback' (to Sarah or to you) about the time he made you eat his cum from Sarah's pussy.
They do things together that Sarah and I don’t do. She still rims him on a regular basis and he reciprocates. Also, I’ve never known Sarah to play with arm pits before, but she tells me she loves playing with his hairy armpits. I asked her why and she said she didn't know. She’s even asked him to stop wearing deodorant, so it’s not a one-off activity. She’s never done that with me.

She told me recently that they tried some piss play in the shower and it was really fun. Again, Sarah and I have never done that. I do remember a couple of times when I was pissing in the toilet and she would stop and watch me. I remember being sort of embarrassed. Why? She said she was enjoying watching me and that it was hot. Now when I look back on that, why didn’t I take the initiative and take it a step further? It’s the same with rimming. Why didn’t we do that?

I think the main reason is that I couldn’t (and still can’t) get myself out of the role of the loving and romantic husband. I was never the “knock-your-socks-off” kind of lover,” to Sarah, or any other woman, for that matter. Sarah never looked to me for that kind of sex since she was getting it from other BFs or lovers. She wanted the beta husband (me) and the alpha lovers. Don’t get me wrong, Sarah and I have had plenty of heart-pounding and sweaty sessions together. But, when I think about them, and the times we’ve “pushed the limits,” most of those have involved another couple or, more often, an alpha male.

Jamal loved the cuck porn. Apparently he told Sarah that some of it was "new" for him and ideas he'd never thought about. I think his direction to me to clean his creampie was a result of what he had seen. So, yeah, it ended up being a good idea. I hope he wants to try other things he's seen.

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Unread post by Jerzeycuckhub » Fri Nov 23, 2018 9:59 am

I really think you hit the nail on the head. I believe a lot of women out there prefer beta husbands and alpha lovers. It kind of gives them the best of both worlds.

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Unread post by Fotodom » Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:04 am

She told me recently that they tried some piss play in the shower and it was really fun
It'd be really hot to know what they did.... :twisted:

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Unread post by subguy80 » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:01 am

Fotodom wrote:
She told me recently that they tried some piss play in the shower and it was really fun
It'd be really hot to know what they did.... :twisted:
That was my reaction. Details please. Apparently, Jamal was the initiator. He wanted to try it. Sarah said they made a game out of forcing themselves to drink lots of water and making sure they were both “busting” before getting into the shower.

She said once they were wet from the shower, he turned the water off and soaped her whole body up. Then he told her to get on her knees, facing him. He cut loose with a stream on her nipples and worked his way down to her pussy, washing off the suds. She said the feeling of the warm liquid running down her body and around her pussy was incredible.

When he finished, he pulled her upright, off her knees. Then he got down on the floor of the shower, underneath her. She asked him where he wanted “it” and he told her to surprise him. She told him to close his eyes and she doused his face and chest. When she was finished, he stood up and kissed her, sticking his tongue in her mouth. She said she could taste her pee from his lips and she was surprised that she enjoyed it. When she told me this, I kissed her, myself. Of course, I couldn’t taste any piss, this was hours later. But, in my mind, I felt like I was sharing a little bit of what had just happened between the two of them.

Sarah’s previous BF pissed on me a couple of times, but that was a dom/sub dynamic, a power thing. What Sarah described sounded sensuous. I know piss play isn’t for everybody, but I think it’s another one of those things that when you let go of your preconceived ideas and try it, you might be very surprised to find you enjoy it. Her “replay” of their experience has given me a new visual in my mind to play when I jack off. I told her I have to watch them in person some time. I can’t even imagine how hot that would be.

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Unread post by Fotodom » Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:46 am

Wow. :up:

Yep I was right, that Was hot :whip:

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Unread post by Ben_Bradman » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:37 am

subguy80 wrote:...One of the things I love about this LS is that, for me, it is constantly changing. My sexuality and Sarah’s sexuality are constantly evolving... ...Now, at 38, Sarah’s sexual drive and energy seem to be in over-drive and she seems to need more sexual attention than ever. With Jamal in the picture, I’m comfortable, even happy and relieved, that I can be the soft, sensuous, loving and tender part of Sarah's sex life and Jamal can be the excitement and animal lust part of sex that she seems to be needing right now...
Thanks for the updates and answering my questions. I know I am asking a lot of them. So thank you very very much. I don't have the right words to convey the size of my thankfulness.

Clearly the evolution in your sex lives is amazing. It has always been. Somehow though it feels like the intensity this time with Jamal is taking things a magnitude of order higher in so many ways than ever before. I feel that as a reader. I don't know if you feel the same.

I am (pleasantly) surprised, actually shocked, at many of things she does to him. Plasma melting hot. And he reciprocates! That is just phenomenally beautiful. Another evidence of how beautiful, wonderful and irresistible Sarah must be. They are discovering new sex organs beyond the privates and new ways of playing all the time!

Do you think their relationship (physical + mental/emotional) is heading towards a plateau or a steady state of sorts)? Or is it still accelerating in intensity with no signs of any plateau?

In other thread you talked about you wanting to be a sub (need you have to be "under" another male in a sexual capacity). Is Sarah neutral to that? Or does she find pleasure or arousal when you are playing the 'sub' to her lover/bull?

Were Sarah and Jamal able to get together at some point over the holidays? If not I suspect their bodies must be intensely missing each other and the result would be some fireworks this week. I hope all that happens in front of you instead of his visits in the morning that you miss. Either way do let us know about the fireworks!

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Unread post by SutterKane » Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:03 pm

You have a great life, the three of you. You are in the sweet spot and damn lucky! You could be locked out of their relationship, but Sarah and Jamal are finding a place for you in their lives. Damn lucky!
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Unread post by subguy80 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:14 am

Ben_Bradman wrote:Do you think their relationship (physical + mental/emotional) is heading towards a plateau or a steady state of sorts)? Or is it still accelerating in intensity with no signs of any plateau?In other thread you talked about you wanting to be a sub (need you have to be "under" another male in a sexual capacity). Is Sarah neutral to that? Or does she find pleasure or arousal when you are playing the 'sub' to her lover/bull?
You have to remember that most of the information I get about Sarah and Jamal is from what she tells me. Unfortunately, I don’t get to observe them much, so most of my knowledge is second-hand so to speak.

Have they plateaued? I’d say they have moved past the stage where they can’t keep their hands off each other, but in some ways, it sounds like their sex is getting more “nuanced” and maybe more intense. I’ve already mentioned he talked her into trying piss play. She tied his hands to the headboard of our bed last week and then put her bustier on. She told him about the bondage party our friend Bill throws and Jamal said he’d like to go with her. So, that could be interesting, especially if I go along.

As far as my sub tendencies, Sarah has always been supportive. I think it seemed as much of a natural progression to her as it did to me. She has a great sense of recognizing or creating an “opportunity” for a submissive situation. For example, like chilling the Jailbird cage before putting me in it while Jamal watched. It was her idea to “make a present” of her pussy to Jamal to the exclusion of me. She wanted to do it, but she also knew the effect it would have on me. She’s good at “the game” and she’s a willing player. I’ve never thought of our relationship as femdom, but there clearly are some elements of that in us.

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Unread post by Ben_Bradman » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:03 am

Subguy80 - thanks. Great to hear from you. Take care. You both are really good at this "game". My best - enjoy life!

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Unread post by SutterKane » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:54 am

Have you said thank you to Sarah? Tell her how she makes your sub experience the best by her efforts.
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Unread post by subguy80 » Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:08 am

SutterKane wrote:Have you said thank you to Sarah? Tell her how she makes your sub experience the best by her efforts.
Oh, yes, I thank her all the time. Always have. I tried something last weekend. I thanked Jamal. Sarah was in the shower and we were alone for a while. I had been thinking about saying it. I used to thank Aaron on a regular basis and it felt good to say. I said something like "I've been meaning to thank you for giving Sarah such good sex." He seemed a little surprised and embarrassed. Then he nodded and had a smirk on his face. I don't think he knew what to say, but I made my point and he seemed to like it.

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