user322 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:17 pm
Mrbigbull wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 10:54 am
user322 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:26 am
I think we need to take into account what people write here, and it's nice to sound the alarm, but I find the messages very alarmist.
Ky's suffering is part of the cuckold lifestyle (according to what I read in the testimonies it is the fact of pushing the limits which creates anxiety and therefore suffering for the cuckold, but it is also what create excitement), and I think ky must be pretty well placed to know that......
It still seems to me that Ky and Jaimee are not novices in the field, they have children from another man.... not everyone on this site has gone this far.. ..
Some seem to predict that Jaimee will leave Ky, and that she is already starting to manipulate him.....why would a woman need to manipulate her husband into leaving him?? Divorce is allowed these days.....
Jaimee has already tasted Sipho's cock, she knows what it feels like.....if because of this cock she wouldn't want to fuck Ky anymore, it's already too late.....
I don't know what they mean by "change in behavior", we'll have to see ky's report after the conversation with sipho.
When ky announced all this in his last post, I didn't see any manipulation on Jaimee's part, nor a completely newbie couple who doesn't know what they're getting into, nor a situation in which the goal is to destroy a couple, I rather saw a couple quite experienced in this lifestyle who wants to have a more extreme experience than usual, KNOWING that this experience is extreme. They are AWARE that it is extreme. And being aware changes everything, there is much less risk of making mistakes.
Zero risk does not exist, but there are couples who have done much less than that and who have broken up simply because the woman falls in love with the bull.....
There are vanilla couples who break up even after several years of couples with children.....zero risk does not exist
As long as there is love between them, and the fact that they are aware that this is all extreme, things can be managed.
I can see your point, but in my opinion, you are way off.
Are Ky and Jaimee experienced? Yes, that is true. Do they know what they are getting into? No.
Yes, suffering is part of of the cuckold lifestyle for some cuckolds, not all. There are a lot of different types of cuckolds.
But suffering is something else than hurting.
“Ky, this is serious,” Jaimee said again. “I can see it turns you on, but I don’t know if we can do this without hurting you, like really hurting you.”
“I’m not made out of paper mâché,” I said defensively.
“I know that,” Jaimee said, a frustrated edge to her voice. “But this… it’s pretty extreme, even for us.”
Do you remember this part? You see the "like really hurting you"? That is not suffering, that is real hurting which could lead to emotional damage or maybe physical damage. A wife willing to do that and go through with it, is in my opinion not a loving wife.
Some seem to predict that Jaimee will leave Ky, and that she is already starting to manipulate him.....why would a woman need to manipulate her husband into leaving him?? Divorce is allowed these days.....
Yes, she is already starting to manipulate him. Remember when he got back from his trip? She knew he was horny, but didn't give him anything, instead started to talk about this. Knowing he would be more agreeable when he is horny, mare willing to accept things. That is already a form of manipulation. Personally I do not predict that Jaimee will leave Ky, I only made a point that it is a potential danger when they go down this road
Jaimee has already tasted Sipho's cock, she knows what it feels like.....if because of this cock she wouldn't want to fuck Ky anymore, it's already too late.....
This is a statement which is too simply said. You did not take into account the addiction and behavioral changes.
Clearly you do not know how that works. If she gets addicted to black cock and her behavior has changed, then Sipho has her in his power.
What if he said she will not get any, unless she denies Ky. What do you think would happen?
Tell a alcohol or drugs addict to steal something simple for you, like some candy or whatever, and as a bonus they will get alcohol or drugs from you. What do you think will happen? They will do it. And in this case Jaimee will do it too.
It is not about the cock, it is about not getting it anymore. And together with her behavioral change, she will be wanting it, needing it, and do anything to get it, even hurting Ky as mentioned above.
Are they newbies? No, they have experience. But that does not mean they know what they are getting into.
I do not know if you have read everything, but Ky almost lost Jaimee to Derrek at one point because of this lifestyle.
You so not see the manipulation, well, I just explained it above, she is already doing it, and my best guess is she does it knowingly.
You can be aware all you want, but when you mind and behavior is changed, there is no way knowing how this will end, and there are a lot of dangers ahead.
If you want to know what behavioral change is, then maybe the movie serie about Jason Bourne is something for you.
Of course it is a movie, but it gives a good indication what it entitles (Bourne is more extreme, more brainwashing, but it give you an indication) .
I know there is no such thing as zero risk. Even with vanilla couples, you are very correct with that.
But this is something else. And as a "old" bull, I've seen a lot of marriages fail. Not only purely to the lifestyle, but it did accelerate. But also a lot would have made it if they didn't got into the lifestyle.
You say that ky and jaimee don't know what they're getting into...well that's the essence of a new experience, not knowing what's going to happen, if it's known , this is not a new experience.
Plus, when Ky and Jaimee first started this lifestyle, they didn't know what they were getting into either.....when they played with Derrek they didn't know what was going to happen. , when they played with Wade they didn't know what was going to happen and that there were going to be children....... and yet they are still there.
You explain how Jaimee manipulates Ky, but it seems to me that the logic doesn't hold. If jaimee wants to manipulate ky, it's because she knows she wants to go with sipho, if she already knows she wants to go with sipho, why manipulate ky, when all she can do is leave him?
In addition you say that she takes advantage of a moment of weakness of ky to talk to him about it... except that this moment of weakness is not eternal. They've been sleeping together for a while I think, so Ky's hormones have had time to come down......so he's had time to ask the right questions.
And for those who have followed their story from the beginning, remember that Jaimee has done this a lot: she teases Ky a lot, pushes his buttons a lot, and often pushes the limits knowing on both sides that when limits are pushed there is always a part of suffering for ky, and ky is aware of this suffering and has accepted it for a long time as part of the game, that's why for the moment I don't see any particular problem.
If Jaimee wanted to manipulate Ky, she would not have had this conversation, she would have continued to see Sipho while reassuring Ky that it's just a lover, that everything is fine, that there is nothing to fear, gradually leading one to submit and accept no longer having sex, accepting the change in behavior etc. Ky is also addicted to all this, Jaimee knows it, and she would use Ky's addiction to manipulate him and force him to accept the situation. Except from the start she wants to talk about it, for me it's not the characteristics of the manipulation.....
You also say that Ky and Jaimee almost left each other for Derrek, and quite rightly, that is part of their experience in the field. They know better than anyone here what almost happened at that moment. They know very well to what extent this can get out of hand.... and what's more, they were still much more novice than today when this happened.... in the meantime they have matured....
And there are a lot of things you say that are assumptions, the feedback we've had so far is just a conversation under the covers. They have time to talk about it again and think about it, to plan it all and to agree on everything that needs to be agreed.
Okay, lets start with the first part. You are confusing surprises with new experiences. A surprise is something where you do not know what is coming, with a new experience it is perfectly normal to know what is going to happen, or have some sort of idea what is going to happen.
Like if you have never been swimming with dolphins, and decide to do it. That will be a new experience, but you already know what you are going to do.
What really surprises me, is that you did not pick up my next point. Didn't you find it odd that it looks like Jaimee already knows what is going to happen, at least in bullet points? She already knows what the new experiences will be, she gave a very little glimp with talking about BDSM.
But she also mentioned that there is a real big chance Ky will get hurt, with this, she already knows what the plan is, or else she wouldn't know he will most likely get hurt. So she knows what the plan is, she knows what is coming, but just does not tell Ky. Maybe she doesn't tell him because she is afraid that if he knows he will say no?
Point is, not knowing what is going to happen is not the essence of new experiences, it is the essence of surprises.
Then my third point in this. My point of telling them they do not know what they are getting into is all about creating an addiction and behavioral changes. You just do not create addictions for fun. You just do not change someones behavior for fun. You just do not play with someones mind on that level. Cuckold angst is fine, pushing some cuck buttons is fine, changing a person is not.
Yes, they played with Derrek. You stating that they are still here, so it is all fine is way off. That was just a roll of the dice, it could have easily gone the other way. This is most certainly not a measure of succes, it is a measure of pure luck.
Yes, she is already manipulating him, I find it strange you cannot see it. Yes, she could go with Sipho right now. She wants his approval to do all this, so she can say he agreed to it. He then never can say I didn't want this, or I do not want to do this or that, or I do not want you to do this or that, because she will hold it against him that he agreed to all of this. That is why she manipulates him.
And his arousal state is not eternal like you stated, but I think she will keep him horny all week, or kept him horny. She can simply do it by not giving him sex, or pushing some cuck buttons, like telling him she is going to see Siphos and if he will be so kind to watch the kids.
And then they will have the talk with Siphos, Ky is entering that talk very horny, and on top of that Jaimee will sit with Siphos, maybe dressed very sexy and getting Siphos cock out and play with it. So in fact the manipulation continues, it would be likely he will agree because he is in a very horny state by then. This is what I can imagine would happen.
Again, that kind of suffering in a cuck lifestyle is completely different than willingly hurting someone. In a cuck lifestyle the suffering can be a, in a weird way, pleasuring for a cuckold. Like suffering with a hard one in a cage, seeing your wife getting fucked by an other man.
Hurting is destroying something, physically or mentally. While I guess it will not be physically, it would be I think mentally. There is a very big risk that this will leave scars.
One thing I can be almost certain of, they will make Ky suck cock, and maybe go even further, they will have him fucked by a male, all whether he likes it or not. And with your logic we all know he doesn't want to do this, because if he wanted to do it, he would have already done it, Jaimee is pushing for this since Wade, so he had opportunity enough.
And because Jaimee wants this, and Sipho is bi (and I guess he has a lot of bi and gay friends), they will force him to do this, even if it will hurt him.
All marks of a loving wife, forcing a husband to do something he doesn't want to do. And mind you, he can not protest, because he agreed to all this.
How are they going to do this? Very easy, they can go the physical way, BDSM, so tying him up and force it in. Or mentally (most likely), Jaimee not getting any Sipho, unless Ky suck Sipho first, then Jaimee gets her reward. Guess what an addicted behavioral changed someone would do.
Again, yes it is the characteristics of manipulation. Yes she could just keep on seeing Sipho, and trying to get Ky to do things. But he would still have power to decline or say he doesn't want to do it, because he didn't gave the agreement to let them do whatever they want. He could even call for a full stop. So she needs his agreement so he cannot refuse or stopt it all. If he agrees to it all, then the only power he has to stop it is to threaten with divorce, and that is a route you do not want to go, because her behavior and addiction could tell her that would be a good idea.
Yes, they had experienced almost a break up with the situation with Derrek. But again, that was just a roll of the dice, it was pure luck. This will help them zero in this situation because it is completely different.
You do not realize Jaimee will not think and act that way anymore, she is addicted and her behavior has changed, remember? So she could make complete different decisions now. So that with Derrek has zero value in this situation.