Re: Between Jennifer and Marc
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:24 am
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Thanks. Glad you liked what my wife wrote and you're right. She is beautiful inside and out.MrLust wrote:Anything you can share Righteous? I think Jen sounds so beautiful and I always loved reading about your adventures. Glad to hear all is well though.
Jenn’s description of this particular tryst got me so excited that I tied Zoe up in the exact same manner this morning and her body language was virtually identical to Jenn’s description of her emotional reaction.Righteous wrote:Chapter 7
Five minutes later, Marc had me fastened to the bed and was taking off his clothes. The king size bed was waist high, and he’d had me bend over it on one side. Then from underneath the opposite side, he pulled two long nylon straps. At their ends were sewn smaller straps with velcro. He had me extend my arms over my head and fastened the bands snugly around my wrists (I’d already told him I enjoyed this sort of snugness very much when we fooled around with bondage), then he knelt and pulled them tight (but not too, thank the lord) around the bed frame. The result was I was stretched out over the bed.
Marc then surprised me by going to the closet, and coming back with a bar maybe 30 inches long. It had two more velcro straps attached at either end.
“Spread your legs wider, my dove,” he said.
I did as he asked and he fastened the straps around my ankles. I was now completely open and helpless to anything he wanted to do to me. Not that many months ago, I would have completely freaked out by this sort of thing, but it felt indescribably sexy to be sort of “on display and helpless” at the same time.
Being held down and helpless was now a huge turn-on. Marc began saying that he could bring in other men to take me and I would be powerless to stop it. I was so turned on, that I almost wished it were true. The thought certainly heightened my arousal. I turned my ass up so that he could go as deeply as possible and he took that as an invitation to really start pounding into me.
Glad you got turned on.Jenn’s description of this particular tryst got me so excited that I tied Zoe up in the exact same manner this morning and her body language was virtually identical to Jenn’s description of her emotional reaction.
Damn I love naughty girls.
Thanks again Jenn for including us in your adventures
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Talking about bed height, a musician friend of Jenn's noticed our bed's height when she was over for a post-gig party a couple of years ago. She's rather a lusty woman, also, and commented to Jenn that "a bed at that height could be a lot of fun." Jenn smirked and answered, "It is." Now we look at other people's bed's height and wonder what they might be getting up to.zoe wrote:Our bed has been at this height for years because it looks good and for the obvious reasons you describe, but this is the first time I have tied Zoe to a spreader bar linked to her hands under the bed
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I'm glad you found the account useful.soupcan_44 wrote:Wow, I just found and read this amazing thread and wanted to add my thanks to Jenn & Robb for sharing such intimate life experiences and to compliment Jenn on her writing skills and her memory and to also salute Robb for being the better man.
Thanks! It was therapeutic for both of us -- especially my wife. I think her recent adventures were kicked off by editing her original accounts for posting on here.HOT4MYWIFE wrote:A very hot and we'll told story. Thank you both for sharing.
Thanks. It's been a pretty wild ride with the love of my life. And she can still surprise me at any time. I'm just so glad I got past my foolish pride issues and didn't chuck everything after I found out. One of the few really smart things I've done in my life!54321 wrote:Just LOVE this thread!
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I couldn't agree with you more. So glad that you didn't let pride stand in the way of love and love for your wife.Righteous wrote:Thanks. It's been a pretty wild ride with the love of my life. And she can still surprise me at any time. I'm just so glad I got past my foolish pride issues and didn't chuck everything after I found out. One of the few really smart things I've done in my life!54321 wrote:Just LOVE this thread!
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An answer to your points is...complicated. Jennifer knew that what she was doing was horribly wrong. All the things you say are perfectly true, but there are reasons it turned out the way it did, and even though she felt horribly guilty she couldn't bring herself to stop. "Sex with Marc was just too good."Hotwifeok wrote:I am at the end of the second page which takes Jenn to the end of New Years. I want o jump,in here with some comments based on what I read to here. My opinions may change, probably will, when the rest of the story comes out and I get to read it.
1. Jenn should absolutely feel a terrible weight of guilt for what she did. She lied to you and cheated. She disrespected you in a major way. Once you forgave her the guilt should be lifted but if she hadn't felt guilty she would have just been a trashy slut. The guilt is one of the great redeeming qualities of Jenn.
2. Jenn going back to spend New Years with Marc is one thing that I would have had a hard time getting over. She had another week she should have gone home to be with you and reconnect... Not go back to her lover. You didn't have quality time at her parents so you should have ,add up for it back at home in stead of with her lover. She basically chose him over you even though she kept claiming she wasn't. She wasn't being honest with herself her any more than she was you.
3. Giving Marc her anal virginity after denying it to you is a horrendously disrespectful act. She new that you wanted it... She completely shut you down... She accepted it with Marc... There is absolutely no excuse or explanation that is acceptable to justify this. Should she be forgiven? Yes but don't ever ever try to explain it away... It was just a horrible mistake that cannot be excused even though forgiven.
4. Marc is just an asshole predator who doesn't give a shit about anybody but himself. Nothing can justify what he did to your innocent wife. I hope that you never ever thank him for anything because what he did, while may have had some good endings, was a completely despicable act.
I will say that I find this story very sad and hot attention he same time. I am so glad that it ended well for you two. It was definitely a long shot and the questions still needs to be answered was it ever worth the risk... Even though it turned out OK.
I look forward to continueing the story and commenting fully on the remainder.
Righteous,Righteous wrote:An answer to your points is...complicated. Jennifer knew that what she was doing was horribly wrong. All the things you say are perfectly true, but there are reasons it turned out the way it did, and even though she felt horribly guilty she couldn't bring herself to stop. "Sex with Marc was just too good."Hotwifeok wrote:I am at the end of the second page which takes Jenn to the end of New Years. I want o jump,in here with some comments based on what I read to here. My opinions may change, probably will, when the rest of the story comes out and I get to read it.
1. Jenn should absolutely feel a terrible weight of guilt for what she did. She lied to you and cheated. She disrespected you in a major way. Once you forgave her the guilt should be lifted but if she hadn't felt guilty she would have just been a trashy slut. The guilt is one of the great redeeming qualities of Jenn.
2. Jenn going back to spend New Years with Marc is one thing that I would have had a hard time getting over. She had another week she should have gone home to be with you and reconnect... Not go back to her lover. You didn't have quality time at her parents so you should have ,add up for it back at home in stead of with her lover. She basically chose him over you even though she kept claiming she wasn't. She wasn't being honest with herself her any more than she was you.
3. Giving Marc her anal virginity after denying it to you is a horrendously disrespectful act. She new that you wanted it... She completely shut you down... She accepted it with Marc... There is absolutely no excuse or explanation that is acceptable to justify this. Should she be forgiven? Yes but don't ever ever try to explain it away... It was just a horrible mistake that cannot be excused even though forgiven.
4. Marc is just an asshole predator who doesn't give a shit about anybody but himself. Nothing can justify what he did to your innocent wife. I hope that you never ever thank him for anything because what he did, while may have had some good endings, was a completely despicable act.
I will say that I find this story very sad and hot attention he same time. I am so glad that it ended well for you two. It was definitely a long shot and the questions still needs to be answered was it ever worth the risk... Even though it turned out OK.
I look forward to continueing the story and commenting fully on the remainder.
With Marc, Jenn could reinvent herself. She felt (rightly or wrongly) that when she was with me, she was the "good girl". That's the way we'd fallen in love. She was terribly caught up in the way her parents had raised her. Once she'd reached puberty and began to find out about sex, she'd had all these thoughts about it and her. She thought there was something wrong with her. Jenn used music as a sublimation technique. Then she met me, and even though I wanted to engage in more things sexually with her, she was still the good girl and couldn't break that mold.
Then she met Marc. Yes, he did want her very much even though she was married, but you don't know how amazingly attractive she was -- and not just physically. Lots of men came on to her. Marc was (and I assume still is) a nice person. He had accomplished everything in life that Jenn wanted to do, so she was attracted to him. One night she got burned. It was her choice to let him have her. He really didn't push, just kissed her and let her make the decision, and even though he told her how much he wanted to see her again, it was her choice to go back.
The big point is that being with Marc allowed Jenn to explore sex fully. She reinvented herself with him. She could now indulge in being a "bad girl", where with me she just couldn't do that. I knew her parents, her family. It was just too dangerous (she was also very naive).
Going to Marc for New Years or being with me was not a cut and dried thing. My head space due to my new job was not good at that time, and she would have been sitting in our apartment by herself if she'd come back to Toronto with me. And by that time, she was fully addicted to sex with Marc. I actually told her she should go back to Montreal so she could practice more.
As for her anal virginity, that's really no big deal for me. She had actually wanted to do it when I asked, but only to please me. We both knew that wasn't the best idea. With Marc, it was her idea. Not in the story was the fact that she would make comments about things she wanted to try, but only in hints, like, "I've never done it and it would probably be disgusting." Marc sussed her out pretty quickly.
Once I got over my hurt (and it was very major), I realized that Marc had sent back to me the perfect woman. Everything I imagined about Jenn and hoped might come out in time was there. She's told me flat out that it wouldn't have gotten very far if she hadn't met Marc. I am very grateful to him. Jennifer actually was as lusty as I had suspected.
Thanks for the comments!
Very interesting discussion. Rob, I think you missed the biggest question, which I highlighted. Was it worth the risk? I think that in retrospect, you downplay the risk. And because the Hotwifeok is still working through it, I won't get specific about it, but I think that there was tremendous risk to your marriage. I think a lot of the rationalization of it is -obviously -after the fact, where you can look at how well your lives played out and then try to see that the things that happened along the way must have supported that. You can never know what would have happened if she hadn't been with Marc, despite her saying that it wouldn't have gotten very far. You just don't know. It did work out for you. But some element of that -a large element in my view - is luck. However it did manage to work out though, I am very glad it did. You and Jen seem happy. I like happy people.Righteous wrote:An answer to your points is...complicated. Jennifer knew that what she was doing was horribly wrong. All the things you say are perfectly true, but there are reasons it turned out the way it did, and even though she felt horribly guilty she couldn't bring herself to stop. "Sex with Marc was just too good."Hotwifeok wrote:I am at the end of the second page which takes Jenn to the end of New Years. I want o jump,in here with some comments based on what I read to here. My opinions may change, probably will, when the rest of the story comes out and I get to read it.
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I will say that I find this story very sad and hot attention he same time. I am so glad that it ended well for you two. It was definitely a long shot and the questions still needs to be answered was it ever worth the risk... Even though it turned out OK.
I look forward to continueing the story and commenting fully on the remainder.
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Once I got over my hurt (and it was very major), I realized that Marc had sent back to me the perfect woman. Everything I imagined about Jenn and hoped might come out in time was there. She's told me flat out that it wouldn't have gotten very far if she hadn't met Marc. I am very grateful to him. Jennifer actually was as lusty as I had suspected.
Thanks for the comments!
You're very right. We came awfully close to falling off the cliff.Very interesting discussion. Rob, I think you missed the biggest question, which I highlighted. Was it worth the risk? I think that in retrospect, you downplay the risk. And because the Hotwifeok is still working through it, I won't get specific about it, but I think that there was tremendous risk to your marriage. I think a lot of the rationalization of it is -obviously -after the fact, where you can look at how well your lives played out and then try to see that the things that happened along the way must have supported that. You can never know what would have happened if she hadn't been with Marc, despite her saying that it wouldn't have gotten very far. You just don't know. It did work out for you. But some element of that -a large element in my view - is luck. However it did manage to work out though, I am very glad it did. You and Jen seem happy. I like happy people.
lannontom,lannontom wrote:Yeah this part of it really fills me with a lot of sadness. On one hand what she did was one of the most awful things that I've ever read someone do to someone that they love. The reason I find it so awful is that through her writing I believe that she always possessed the capability of determining right and wrong. You may call it addition (and it may have been...to a degree) but she's not some idiot. Every time she fucked Marc she could have and did have the capability of just saying 'no' and just doing the right thing which would be either leaving him or just breaking it off with you. Humans try to explain away compulsive behavior as anything but conscious but it's really just a tough decision that people keep getting wrong.Righteous wrote:Thanks for the compliments!You are an easy guy to root for, Rob. I generally like reading stories here because human nature interests me and this is compelling stuff. With that said, this is one of the most compelling stories here and (I'm being completely honest) - you come across as so nice and genuine that I find myself reading these getting pissed at o(who sounds lovely and a loving wife) so I can only imagine what kind of internal resolve you must have had to not give up on the marriage. It has left an impression on me and I've considered it in daily life more than once.
The final bit of the story will clarify things a lot. Our success is all about communicating honestly. It also helped that, despite what Jenn got herself involved in, we still had a deep connection. If I hadn't been so far away and so busy in my new job, things would have transpired very differently. Also, if I'd been honest about my fascination with thinking about her with other men, things would have been very different and possibly gone in another direction. She was addicted, purely and simply, and once away from the source of her addiction, she began to "recover" (if that's the right word).
My wife is a very strong person in many ways. People see her as exceptionally capable at a multitude of things and always in control. Marc made it possible for her to completely give up that tight control she always kept herself under. And she discovered things about herself that profoundly changed her. In the end, we both benefited mightily from her affair.
But we were also lucky. If I'd found out about it a different way (from a friend or something), it would probably have ended our marriage. The fact that she told me meant a lot -- even if the revelation began through a slip she made.
Anyway, better to finish the story off and then get into discussions about it, right? I don't know when the last bit will be posted. We're both exceptionally busy at the moment. It took a lot of convincing for Jenn to reveal that last part since it was so completely over the top and she's such a private person. (I still can't wrap my head around that table Marc borrowed, but that's part of the final bit, ie: where it really came from and why. And I wonder what ever happened to it since I'm sure it still exists.)
So, for everyone, more to come. Maybe I can talk Jenn into at least coming on to answer questions. She flatly refuses to join the site. Sigh... She could help people a lot.
She was a coward and that is what makes me incredibly sad. She reads as an inherently good person and the sad tragedy is that there is a good person, who upon her deathbed, will be reflecting of life with a measure of sadness because of what she did to you. Such a tragic penalty is something Shakespeare couldn't have written better, it is truly a caution that good people are capable of doing horrible things and that it's their own good which will ultimately serve to be the greatest punishment.