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Posted in the new member forum if you need a catch up.
Wifey feels we're more stag/vixen so I thought I'd start my thread here. Not looking for meet ups as she picks her own partners on her own time. This place feels like somewhere I can call my own and read up on others experiences and thoughts.
I'll post updates to our lifestyle when possible. This seems like a place that I can share any fun and excitement away from my vanilla life. Anyway, all is well currently. We've had great communication during this restart. She's found suitors that keep her interested mentally as it's all online communication for her currently.
Wifey feels we're more stag/vixen so I thought I'd start my thread here. Not looking for meet ups as she picks her own partners on her own time. This place feels like somewhere I can call my own and read up on others experiences and thoughts.
I'll post updates to our lifestyle when possible. This seems like a place that I can share any fun and excitement away from my vanilla life. Anyway, all is well currently. We've had great communication during this restart. She's found suitors that keep her interested mentally as it's all online communication for her currently.
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Updated avatar with new one we shot today! Good fun silly shoot while taking advantage of good natural lighting.
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Hi Loving Hubby, my husband is a straight stag so we kind of relate. This is a great site for sharing and info in the lifestyle. There is also a ladies lounge if she would be interested one day. We have busy lives by try to have a 3some at least once a month and I have one other lover I see every few months. Can’t wait to see you around!
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Thank you for the welcome! Some new events happened that I'll post later.Natatude wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 2:06 pmHi Loving Hubby, my husband is a straight stag so we kind of relate. This is a great site for sharing and info in the lifestyle. There is also a ladies lounge if she would be interested one day. We have busy lives by try to have a 3some at least once a month and I have one other lover I see every few months. Can’t wait to see you around!

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Tried to upload a pic but I guess I need to link it from another site?
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Looking forward to hearing about your experiences….loving_hubby wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 7:16 pmTried to upload a pic but I guess I need to link it from another site?
Hotties forum is typically the post pictures so you may want start a thread there and include a link in the signature
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Done! Thank you!venus-can99 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 8:29 pmLooking forward to hearing about your experiences….loving_hubby wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 7:16 pmTried to upload a pic but I guess I need to link it from another site?
Hotties forum is typically the post pictures so you may want start a thread there and include a link in the signature
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Update: One of wife's Daddy-Doms asked to collar her. He sent over a pendant to symbolize a soft collar. Reminder that currently, all is taking place online. He also sent Christmas presents consisting of toys and a very nice purse! The goal is for a meet sometime in early 2025 if things line up.
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Wifey is enjoying being pursued online currently. She gets small assignments from some of the Doms like poses for pics, choices for clothes, and it fulfills her want for direction. We have a staycation getaway planned for our anniversary this week. One of her suitors is going to play with her via cam. She's excited for the opportunity and also the naughty factor since it's our anniversary! Posted a new pic in the Hotties forum she sent to her suitors.
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Well sad news on the lifestyle front. Wifey's dom decided to be a jackass and they are no longer linked. All look promising, but again a man failed her. She's disappointed and mad about his actions, but is going to use it as a learning experience.
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Answering a question from Vin231 here. Logistics will determine how any meet up goes. If he visits our town, we'll probably do a public meet up for a get to know you. If everyone is comfortable about moving forward, we'd go to his hotel room. I plan to excuse myself so they can find their rhythm together. Although, if they'd like me to stay and watch I'm not going to argue! I would like to be messaged after their session but whatever the flow is I'd go with it.
I'd hope to have a MFM 3some at some point during his visit. Nothing like making wifey the center of attraction between two men.
Thanks for taking interest and your curiosity!
I'd hope to have a MFM 3some at some point during his visit. Nothing like making wifey the center of attraction between two men.
Thanks for taking interest and your curiosity!
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Yes, that's exactly what I'd recommend: this is a learning opportunity. A ton of dudes out there aren't the most stable and realistic, particularly when keeping it digital, and there are often warning signs that can be noticed when you know what to look for. It can be difficult to see them because we often don't see what we don't want to see, and because a lot of the fun is in being vulnerable, but you can't be vulnerable and on your guard at the same time. That might be an advantage of non-monogamy though... the astute hubby might spot things that the nre-soaked wife might notloving_hubby wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 7:44 amWell sad news on the lifestyle front. Wifey's dom decided to be a jackass and they are no longer linked. All look promising, but again a man failed her. She's disappointed and mad about his actions, but is going to use it as a learning experience.
In this particular instance, I'm curious how long it was before this Dom was making moves to collar her? Usually, that is a very serious symbolic action of implied commitment, meant for a long term D/s relationship. Not something to be done in early stages.
Also, having multiple simultaneous dominants of the same type is kind of a question mark for me. Usually, even in non-monogamy, people stick with a single relationship of any particular individual dynamic. This may simply be a question of logistics and mental capacity more than anything. If she had multiple simultaneous DDs, I'm curious how serious any of them could really be.
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Sounds like a great plan. Hope it all works out soon. Looking forward to the details and seeing more of you sexy Hotwifeloving_hubby wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 9:13 amAnswering a question from Vin231 here. Logistics will determine how any meet up goes. If he visits our town, we'll probably do a public meet up for a get to know you. If everyone is comfortable about moving forward, we'd go to his hotel room. I plan to excuse myself so they can find their rhythm together. Although, if they'd like me to stay and watch I'm not going to argue! I would like to be messaged after their session but whatever the flow is I'd go with it.
I'd hope to have a MFM 3some at some point during his visit. Nothing like making wifey the center of attraction between two men.
Thanks for taking interest and your curiosity!
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Thanks for the comment and reply. Sorry I took a bit to respond but wanted to make sure I had enough time to give a thought out response. You are so right about the fun leaving you vulnerable. We keep with things that make you feel good. You give leeway with people when they're pushing your happy button. She was caught off guard by events so I definitely had no insight. Again, lesson learned and will bookmark for the future.ugcp wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 9:40 am
Yes, that's exactly what I'd recommend: this is a learning opportunity. A ton of dudes out there aren't the most stable and realistic, particularly when keeping it digital, and there are often warning signs that can be noticed when you know what to look for. It can be difficult to see them because we often don't see what we don't want to see, and because a lot of the fun is in being vulnerable, but you can't be vulnerable and on your guard at the same time. That might be an advantage of non-monogamy though... the astute hubby might spot things that the nre-soaked wife might not
In this particular instance, I'm curious how long it was before this Dom was making moves to collar her? Usually, that is a very serious symbolic action of implied commitment, meant for a long term D/s relationship. Not something to be done in early stages.
Also, having multiple simultaneous dominants of the same type is kind of a question mark for me. Usually, even in non-monogamy, people stick with a single relationship of any particular individual dynamic. This may simply be a question of logistics and mental capacity more than anything. If she had multiple simultaneous DDs, I'm curious how serious any of them could really be.
As for how long it took to collar, a couple of months. She's still exploring what her interests are and what she likes. Looking back on it now, she does realize it might have been too fast of an action. Then again, all of the convos aligned with the growth of things. Lesson #2 learned.
As for multiple Doms, it was more for exploration. Each was unique in what they brought to the table. Most did not converse like the collaring one but did help her answer questions and learn about the Daddy-Dom area. Logistics definitely played a part in the multiple connections. She did not hide the fact that she was conversing with others, they knew she was early in her journey. They understood she wanted to learn as much as possible about the culture and herself. She had conveyed all of the above with the knowledge that a meet up in the new year was highly possible.
The new year still seems promising for her in her journey, we'll see if any of her suitors will become more than online. Thanks again for your reply!
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Thanks for following the thread. I'll update anything worth noting here and post any new photos in the Hotties section.
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Wifey got a message from an irate dom. He could not get past the point she was exploring the area of daddy-dom outside of the marriage. Basically insinuated she was being selfish because she was a "pretty girl."
I'm not really a fan of labels and categorizing people at this point. In the truest sense, we are a cuckold couple. She has sexual affairs outside the marriage. We really blur the lines of the branches off cuckold. Stag/vixen, hotwife, slutwife etc. We also do enjoy spending time sexually together. We keep it fluid and organic as much as possible.
In any dialogue I've had with others in the lifestyle, I've enjoyed learning how they operate and live their lives. I've never thrown shade or judged. I have also been learning that the cuckold couples come in different flavours themselves.
It just boggles the mind when people, in an area that is segmented to accommodate so many different tastes, decide to be judge and juror how others enjoy their flavour of the lifestyle. I get it if vanilla people raise an eyebrow, it's the reason why we visit sites like this.
Feel free to add your comments on your experiences with things like this. Just a thought that went through my head on Christmas.
Wifey got a message from an irate dom. He could not get past the point she was exploring the area of daddy-dom outside of the marriage. Basically insinuated she was being selfish because she was a "pretty girl."
I'm not really a fan of labels and categorizing people at this point. In the truest sense, we are a cuckold couple. She has sexual affairs outside the marriage. We really blur the lines of the branches off cuckold. Stag/vixen, hotwife, slutwife etc. We also do enjoy spending time sexually together. We keep it fluid and organic as much as possible.
In any dialogue I've had with others in the lifestyle, I've enjoyed learning how they operate and live their lives. I've never thrown shade or judged. I have also been learning that the cuckold couples come in different flavours themselves.
It just boggles the mind when people, in an area that is segmented to accommodate so many different tastes, decide to be judge and juror how others enjoy their flavour of the lifestyle. I get it if vanilla people raise an eyebrow, it's the reason why we visit sites like this.
Feel free to add your comments on your experiences with things like this. Just a thought that went through my head on Christmas.

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There was a time when I was active in the kink community. With each label there was a new clique. People like to judge others an it matters not how you identify, someone will find an issue.
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Thanks for commenting. At least we know now, we're not the only ones that have encountered it.
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Every single person/couple in the lifestyle has a unique version of kinks/interests/inhibitions, so there is no catch all label. We are Stag/Vixen, but there are aspects of that description that don't match. So we just stick with ethically non-monogamous!
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Ethically non-monogamous! I like that one. Gonna use that phrase.
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Fascinating how people who believe themselves to be 'morally superior' even find their way into a forum like this.Wifey got a message from an irate dom...
Fortunately, they don't usually hang around for long. Having concluded that they are the anointed and we are the benighted,
they wander off looking for new fields to 'conquer'.
On a happier note, you call your thread 'Restart' which implies that something happened before. Care to share?
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So doing a rewind/recap since a user kindly asked about it. Before dating we talked about kinks and things. I hesitated before sharing my hotwife fantasy. Still fearing being judged and all. Figured eh, be honest and open. I gave her a the short version of being able to watch my significant other with another man. Her ears perked up and wanted to know more. She had always wanted a sort of open relationship in the past, but the men in her life were not interested in having her be with other men. I gave her my view of how I would like things. I mentioned that I was a voyeur at heart so this avenue really fit into it. Only difference from porn was, I would be watching someone that I care about and love. There would be a strong connection to the hotwife.
We became a couple and one of our main pillow talk fantasies was still her being a hotwife. We decided to finally pursue it and joined few swinger sites. A lot sifting went on before we decided on a potential date. We chatted online with him and felt comfortable enough to setup a meet at a bar in a hotel. The get to know you went well enough that she said, "well better strike while the iron is hot. Never know when we'll get the chance to act on it. Let's get room!" We tried for a room and the front desk said they were sold out due to a wedding and a comic convention. Went to another hotel a block over and they were also booked. So slight anxiety sets in that maybe we'll have to wait after all. (Also, I recounted this in someone's thread about first date with another man so I'm going to paste what I wrote there) Got an answer from a Hilton some 20 minutes away that had a few rooms left. As we're about to drive off to the destination hotel my wife says the guy fingered her while I was on the phone. Right in the hallway next to the lobby too! I checked with my own fingers and she was soaked! Now the goal to get a room was on!
As we arrived and walked into the lobby, the place was packed. Oregon was in town to play USC in football and as it happens, this was the Oregon fan hotel. It's finally my turn at the counter. I ask for a room and the desk clerk works her pc and hmmms. I mention, "not good? I called earlier." Off to the side there's some Hilton Club member yelling at her coworker, wanting a room, "I'm a whatever club member!" She looks over at what's unfolding, then focuses on her pc and says "I have a room for you." I'm surprised as hell and excited. She does all the usuals and comes out to talk to me and point out the elevators. The yelling guy is now making a full on scene. I looked at the girl and tipped her. She tried to deny it but I looked at her and nodded. I knew what she did.
Back at the fountain, my wife is holding hands with the guy. Bit of kissing. I tell them let's get out of this chaos! We have a good laugh in the elevator about stealing the room out from Mr Yelly Pants. The room had two queen beds. We decided to freshen up one at a time. I went last and came out to them making out on one of the beds! Pics and video was ok with everyone so I quickly dug out my equipment.
Gonna skip the details but clothes flew off and a long oral session by my wife on him ensued. She climbed up on him with just her panties on. There were whispers by her that he couldn’t have her bare. Safe sex was spoken about in chat. He kept rubbing his cock on her which got her to remove her panties. Again, he continued rubbing until an audible moan was heard. He was inside her. She never protested but did look at me. I was too much in lust to have her stop. She had a look of guilt, sorta “I’m sorry... but it feels too good” kind of look. It was a show stopper for me and I let her go.
He proceeded to put in her many positions. Most to give me a great view. They were at it for about an hour and a half before he finished on her stomach. After wishing him well and seeing him off, I was all over her. We fucked off and on throughout the night. Next morning we left and did the walk of shame with the same clothes we checked in with. And that, was the first time for us.
We continued in the lifestyle for several years. Some partners from sites, others from friends of friends. There were a lot of ups and downs with some poor communication events. We're way more in tune with each other. We talk constantly to keep everything in plain site. We're hopeful the coming year is an eventful and fun one. More ups than downs of course. I'll post a screenshot in my hotties thread from that first date. I didn't get great lighting through some of the first date. I had no idea what I was doing! Plus, I was just in awe of her.
We became a couple and one of our main pillow talk fantasies was still her being a hotwife. We decided to finally pursue it and joined few swinger sites. A lot sifting went on before we decided on a potential date. We chatted online with him and felt comfortable enough to setup a meet at a bar in a hotel. The get to know you went well enough that she said, "well better strike while the iron is hot. Never know when we'll get the chance to act on it. Let's get room!" We tried for a room and the front desk said they were sold out due to a wedding and a comic convention. Went to another hotel a block over and they were also booked. So slight anxiety sets in that maybe we'll have to wait after all. (Also, I recounted this in someone's thread about first date with another man so I'm going to paste what I wrote there) Got an answer from a Hilton some 20 minutes away that had a few rooms left. As we're about to drive off to the destination hotel my wife says the guy fingered her while I was on the phone. Right in the hallway next to the lobby too! I checked with my own fingers and she was soaked! Now the goal to get a room was on!
As we arrived and walked into the lobby, the place was packed. Oregon was in town to play USC in football and as it happens, this was the Oregon fan hotel. It's finally my turn at the counter. I ask for a room and the desk clerk works her pc and hmmms. I mention, "not good? I called earlier." Off to the side there's some Hilton Club member yelling at her coworker, wanting a room, "I'm a whatever club member!" She looks over at what's unfolding, then focuses on her pc and says "I have a room for you." I'm surprised as hell and excited. She does all the usuals and comes out to talk to me and point out the elevators. The yelling guy is now making a full on scene. I looked at the girl and tipped her. She tried to deny it but I looked at her and nodded. I knew what she did.
Back at the fountain, my wife is holding hands with the guy. Bit of kissing. I tell them let's get out of this chaos! We have a good laugh in the elevator about stealing the room out from Mr Yelly Pants. The room had two queen beds. We decided to freshen up one at a time. I went last and came out to them making out on one of the beds! Pics and video was ok with everyone so I quickly dug out my equipment.
Gonna skip the details but clothes flew off and a long oral session by my wife on him ensued. She climbed up on him with just her panties on. There were whispers by her that he couldn’t have her bare. Safe sex was spoken about in chat. He kept rubbing his cock on her which got her to remove her panties. Again, he continued rubbing until an audible moan was heard. He was inside her. She never protested but did look at me. I was too much in lust to have her stop. She had a look of guilt, sorta “I’m sorry... but it feels too good” kind of look. It was a show stopper for me and I let her go.
He proceeded to put in her many positions. Most to give me a great view. They were at it for about an hour and a half before he finished on her stomach. After wishing him well and seeing him off, I was all over her. We fucked off and on throughout the night. Next morning we left and did the walk of shame with the same clothes we checked in with. And that, was the first time for us.
We continued in the lifestyle for several years. Some partners from sites, others from friends of friends. There were a lot of ups and downs with some poor communication events. We're way more in tune with each other. We talk constantly to keep everything in plain site. We're hopeful the coming year is an eventful and fun one. More ups than downs of course. I'll post a screenshot in my hotties thread from that first date. I didn't get great lighting through some of the first date. I had no idea what I was doing! Plus, I was just in awe of her.
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Obviously something changed for your wife to "feel" like you are "more" Stag/Vixen. Did she explain why she felt that way? I know people get all hung up on nomenclature. Everybody seems to need a title to go with the position/persona. Was it anything to do with the negative connotation of being a cuckold?
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We never really narrowed it down to "what we are." Just kept it organic for the most part and went with the flow. With more open communication, we talked about where we would fit in.coastalkid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2024 1:10 pmObviously something changed for your wife to "feel" like you are "more" Stag/Vixen. Did she explain why she felt that way? I know people get all hung up on nomenclature. Everybody seems to need a title to go with the position/persona. Was it anything to do with the negative connotation of being a cuckold?
She and I felt stag/vixen seemed the best overall choice because she never thought I was lesser, didn't feel the need to be cut off, caged, or any of the other descriptions for a defined cucked couple. We still have our own sexual experiences between her and I. In reality, we could wear many hats depending on a given situation.
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I'm pretty sure this is the true reality. To decide "what we are" seems like over analyzing and not really the point. Once a couple has broken down the communication and judgement barriers you define your own path together. Labels are constraining and come with stereotypes. I often joke about the ubiquitous cuckold path of less frequent sex, to restricted sex, to being cut off, to being in chastity, to becoming "pussy free", to pegging, to enjoying giving blowjobs to lovers/bulls. It seems more about conditioning than fulfillment.loving_hubby wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2024 1:31 pmWe never really narrowed it down to "what we are." Just kept it organic for the most part and went with the flow. With more open communication, we talked about where we would fit in.coastalkid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2024 1:10 pmObviously something changed for your wife to "feel" like you are "more" Stag/Vixen. Did she explain why she felt that way? I know people get all hung up on nomenclature. Everybody seems to need a title to go with the position/persona. Was it anything to do with the negative connotation of being a cuckold?
She and I felt stag/vixen seemed the best overall choice because she never thought I was lesser, didn't feel the need to be cut off, caged, or any of the other descriptions for a defined cucked couple. We still have our own sexual experiences between her and I. In reality, we could wear many hats depending on a given situation.
Hope is not a strategy but it's still good to have! Especially if you don't have a strategy!
I get my denial the old fashion way, I married vanilla!
I get my denial the old fashion way, I married vanilla!