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Re: Religious wife….any advice

Unread post by Her number1 » Wed Aug 28, 2024 5:14 am

trecital wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2024 6:59 am
Her number1 wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2024 6:02 pm
Then you can't post her pics here, because you have to have her permission.
I'm not condoning breaking the rules.....but, realistically, how many people that have posted pics here, have actually had their partners consent?
Oh, and I'm not including those posters that have just plucked some pics off the web, and described them as " my wife".😁
Oh, I agree with you about the number of dishonset, disrespectful dickheads that post pics of their wives without permission. Their kink is more important in those moments than their wives feelings.
But, why encourage it as so many here do just to see someone without permission.

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Re: Religious wife….any advice

Unread post by Isguy4 » Mon Sep 30, 2024 2:13 am

I need ideas. Was talking with my wife about her flirting with other men, being hit on...etc. last night while fooling around. None of it turned her on at all. She open to letting me talk, but simply not into it. Any ideas?!

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Re: Religious wife….any advice

Unread post by mrs_hotwifecplsa » Mon Sep 30, 2024 8:14 am

Here's a very important idea: if she's not into it, let it go. You married a woman with religious convictions that preclude her from doing what you desire. You told her, and she made her "no" clear. I suggest you take stock of why you married her knowing she is a religious person. Are you the same religion? If yes, you should reevaluate your convictions, read your scriptures and rededicate yourself to it. If no, you need to ask yourself why did you marry someone who you would be at odds with over nearly everything in life. Maybe you should convert, but dont do it just to stay married. Do it because you believe you need it.

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Re: Religious wife….any advice

Unread post by Isguy4 » Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:45 am

Oh man….dropping some harsh truth right there

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Unread post by joel68 » Wed Oct 02, 2024 7:10 pm

You have been on here wanting your wife to get it for nearly a year and a half. It probably isn’t going to happen. So accept it that she isn’t interested.

Yeah, she let you talk shit, but she’s not turned on at all about fucking on the side. Some girls may have a deep desire to do it. Sounds like she is not one of them.

I hope your marriage works out!

And if she’s not as horny as you sometimes, you could always use your cuck thoughts for stroke material.

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Re: Religious wife….any advice

Unread post by Isguy4 » Thu Oct 10, 2024 4:20 am

Truth. Ok. Well if anyone wants to talk about her, hit me up. Maybe one day…..

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Re: Religious wife….any advice

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Isguy4 wrote:
Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:36 am
My wife is 33 petite, very pretty with small A cup breasts and VERY religious/conservative. I have had this fantasy for about 5 years. It all started when I was ready horny one night and showed a random guy a cropped photo of her that I had taken and saw him cum to it. It was soooo incredibly erotic, that I have secretly pursued the fantasy ever since. She knows that I want men to see her naked, but I think she treats it as a joke. Religion is a massive impediment to her doing this. Do I keep going and fantasizing? Or just give this up now…
I'm coming back to your original post.....

"Do I keep going and fantasizing?" I would change that sentence to "or just" rather than "and". And then answer by saying "stick to fantasy". Fantasies don't have to be converted to a real life happening. Particularly if one person (in this case your wife) doesn't want to persue the fantasy in reality.
No shame in giving up on it actually happening.

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Re: Religious wife….any advice

Unread post by Isguy4 » Fri Oct 11, 2024 5:10 am

Yeah. I’m afraid it’s becoming my only fantasy.

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Re: Religious wife….any advice

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Yeah. I’m afraid it’s becoming my only fantasy.
It tends to go like that, in my experience. I've been an actual cuck for way longer than I care to admit. I've lived out quite a few of my desires and fantasies. And, yes, I still fantasise, and 100% of those fantasies are about cuckolding. Some of them will never happen, some of them might.
But there's no harm in going over old favourites and trying to find new ones.
Cuckolding is like a drug....a very addictive one. You might already be an addict☹️or😋

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Re: Religious wife….any advice

Unread post by Isguy4 » Sat Nov 02, 2024 10:13 am

Already addicted. I’m gonna have to figure out how to channel this into something else

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Re: Religious wife….any advice

Unread post by money_for_nothin23 » Sat Nov 02, 2024 11:19 am

First off, you might advise your wife to read the Bible, instead of listening only ministers who put their twist on it. I am Christian and always struggled questions of how Solomon was deemed righteous yet had 700 wives and 300 concubines (personal sex workers). Or how the wife Abraham volunteered a friend of hers to sleep and get pregnant with her husband. To be clear, there is NOTHING in the Bible that prohibits sex outside the marriage when the marriage partners are in agreement! That is a modern-day minister manufacturing of of Bible.....something the Bible prohibits!

I found the following study, and have found every comment to be totally true. Enjoy!
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Sex is not evil. In fact, biblical sex can be a beautiful thing. There is so much misinformation about what the Bible does and does not say about sex that I feel compelled to write this article setting straight what the Bible actually says about this subject. Much of what many believe the Bible says about sex are actually the traditions of men and not Biblical precepts at all.

The primary aim of Biblical laws about sex is threefold. First: to preserve a woman's virginity for her husband. Second: to protect marital rights. And third: to insure reproduction and propagation of mankind. As a rule any act that does not transgress one of those three concerns is not forbidden by the Bible (there are a few exceptions).

In fact the Bible has a whole book about sexuality! The Song of Songs (also called Song of Solomon) is extremely erotic, but it's written in symbolism so a lot of people tend to miss it. For instance, the use of "fruit" refers to the man's genitals, and "garden" to the woman's. God's word on sex is "Eat, O friends, and drink; drink your fill, O lovers." (SoS 5:1)

The Mosaic Law requires that a man not withhold "conjugal rights" from his wife even if he takes other wives (Ex. 21:10). Moreover, the Law exempts a new husband from military service for a full year so he may "bring joy to his wife" (Deut. 24:5). In the Song of Songs Solomon writes of his lover "How fair and how pleasant are you, o love, for delights!" to which his lover responds "I am my beloved's and his desire is toward me." (SoS 7:7, 11) The Hebrew word for "desire" here is T'SHUKAH (Strong's 8669) and comes from the root word SHUK (Strong's 7783) meaning "to overflow; to be wet". This is the same word in Gen. 3:16 where woman is told that her "desire" would be for her husband.

There is more freedom than restrictions especially for married couples. If Elohim (God) doesn't prohibit something and it's acceptable to both people, then Elohim gives a green light and says, "Enjoy yourselves!"

If you read the Song of Songs, you can see that God encourages us to enjoy His gift of sex in its entire fulfillment.

WHAT ABOUT EXTRAMARITAL SEX?

There is a misconception that the Bible forbids extramarital sex. This is a not true. Nowhere does the Bible forbid two unmarried people from having sex, but the Bible does address the issue of the man that has sex with a virgin female to whom he is not married and says that such a man must pay a dowry to the father and offer to marry the girl (Ex. 22:16-17; Deut. 22:28-29). This is the only place the Bible addresses premarital sex. The Bible does not forbid unmarried people from engaging in sex.

Married persons have rights over each other's bodies:

The wife hath not power over her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. (1Cor. 7:4).

Prior to marriage they therefore had rights over their own bodies. However, if the girl is a virgin the man must be willing to marry her. By contrast a married person who commits adultery is, according to biblical law, guilty onto death. There is a huge difference here. A man should not spoil a virgin that he is not willing to marry. But if he is willing to marry her, the Bible does not forbid him from having sex with her. Moreover, the Bible does not forbid an unmarried man from having sex with a woman who is not a virgin because they each hold rights over their own bodies.

THE MARRIAGE BED IS UNDEFILED

Many people seem confused about what they can do or not do in bed with their own spouse. This is unfortunate. They often do not know whom to ask as they are uncomfortable asking religious leaders about such issues. Let me make this clear: Whatever your spouse and yourself do in your own bed is OK. The Bible is clear in saying:

Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. (Hebrews 13:4)

This means anything that is done in the context of the marriage bed, which is not otherwise forbidden, is permitted.

WHAT ABOUT ORAL SEX?

There are two descriptions of oral sex in the Song of Songs. Keep in mind that in this biblical book, "garden" refers to the woman's genitals, and "fruit" to the man's.

The first passage describes a woman giving oral sex to her male lover:

Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest
So is my beloved among the young men
In his shade I took great delight and sat down
And his fruit was sweet to my taste.
...His left hand is under my head,
and his right hand does embrace me.
(SoS 2:3, 6)

While the second describes a man giving oral sex to his female lover:

Awake, O north wind
And come, wind of the south
Make my garden breathe out fragrance
Let its spices be wafted abroad
May my beloved come into his garden
And eat its choice fruits! (SoS 4:16)
Therefore, Oral Sex is definitely permitted by the Bible.

WHAT ABOUT ANAL SEX?

As we stated earlier the marriage bed is undefiled (Heb. 13:4). This includes anal sex. Nowhere does the Bible forbid a man from having anal sex with a woman. That which is not forbidden, is permitted.



WHAT IS ADULTERY?

As we said earlier married persons hold rights over each other's bodies. The Scripture says:

The wife hath not power over her own body, but the husband:
and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body,
but the wife. (1Cor. 7:4).

A person commits adultery if they violate their partner's rights over their body. Extramarital sex is not adultery unless one of the parties is married and acting without permission from their spouse. There are situations where a married person may have sex with another party without having committed adultery. First of all in biblical cases of polygamy the husband did not commit adultery against one wife when engaging in sex with another wife. Second, in the case of a "concubine", and King David had many concubines (Sam. 5:13). King David did not commit adultery when he engaged in sex with his concubines. Finally, there are cases in the Bible by which a person gave their spouse permission to have sex with another person. In these cases the sex act was not adultery.

For example Sarah gave Abraham permission to have sex with Hagar:

And Sarai said unto Abram, behold now,
the Lord hath restrained me from bearing:
I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be
That I may obtain children by her. And
Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai. (Gen. 16:2)

But Abraham did not commit adultery in doing so. In another example Rachel gave Jacob permission to have sex with Bilhah:

And she said, Behold my maid Bilhah,n
go in unto her; and she shall bear upon
upon my knees that I may also have children by her. (Gen. 30:3)

Therefore, a person can give their spouse permission to have sex with another individual and no adultery is committed. This is because their spouse has power/authority over their body (1Cor. 7:4), including the power to allow them to go unto another (as in Gen. 16:2; 30:3). A man can give his wife permission to have sex with another man or a woman can give her husband permission to have sex with another woman, as long as this permission is given its not adultery. If both partners are wishing to engage in this sort of situation they may do so and have not committed adultery.

"Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbor’s wife, to defile yourself with her." (Lev. 18:20)

A more literal translation is: "Moreover you shall not lie giving seed with your neighbor’s wife, to be made unclean by her."

Now this verse should already have alarms going off over this statement. One does not simply become unclean from committing adultery. Adultery in the Mosaic Law is punishable by DEATH. The man in this passage becomes "unclean" because this is a follow up to the previous verse which forbids one from having sex with their wife "as long as she is set apart for her uncleanness" (Lev. 18:19) that is, during her menstruation period. This follow up verse in Lev, 18:20 is saying that one would also become unclean from having sex with one's neighbor’s wife so as to make it clear that one should not have sex with your wife, or anyone else’s wife that is menstruating. But wait... why would anyone be having sex with his neighbor’s wife? Wouldn't that be adultery? Why have a passage in the Bible warning a man that he would become ritually unclean from having sex with his neighbor’s wife (in her uncleanness)? Wouldn't he be guilty onto death anyway, not just unclean? This passage makes it clear that there are situations in which a man can have sex with "his neighbor’s wife" without having committed adultery. This is because your neighbor can give his wife permission to have sex with you. In the same way you can give your wife (or husband) permission to have sex with your "neighbor".

In the Song of Songs, Solomon's lover describes herself as "the lilly" (SoS 2:1) but later describes Solomon as being away from her because he has "gone down into his garden... to gather lilies" (SoS 6:1-2) these are clearly his other "wives, concubines" (SoS 6:8). The language of SoS 6:1-2 makes it clear that Solomon's lover was not upset that he was having sex with other women, presumably he had her permission. There is no doubt that Solomon and his lover, loved each other and were totally committed to each other. In fact, they were almost certainly soul mates. Yet Solomon's lover was totally OK with Solomon having sex with other women. She trusted him so much that she still felt totally secure in her relationship with Solomon saying "I am my beloved's and my beloved is mine: he feeds among the lilies" (SoS 6:3). It mean that allowing one’s spouse to have sex with another is no sign of a lack of love. It also means that accepting such permission and having sex with another does not indicate a lack of love. Finally, it means that both parties can engage in such activity if they so choose and remain absolutely committed to each other.

Modern word adultery is clearly sex outside your marriage. In the original Greek it means unfaithfulness, which clearly a wife is not being unfaithful if she has her husband’s blessing. Others feel it means to be dishonest, which if you are cheating would be dishonest but OK if husband approved. Note how the translation has changed over the years.



WHAT ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY?

The Bible is VERY clear that a man may not have sex with another man. The Bible states clearly:

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with woman kind: it is an abomination. (Lev. 18:22)

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, Both of them have committed an abomination. (Lev. 20:13)

It is also important to realize that God says exactly what he means. God is specific here in referring to "MANkind" not because He is careless, but because this is what He means. In fact, the very next verse (Lev. 18:23) forbids a man from having sex with an animal and then adds that it is also forbidden for a woman to have sex with an animal. Since (Lev. 18:23) specifies that it applies to both men and women.

But, it is clear that women are not mentioned in (Lev, 18:22) because a woman is NOT forbidden to lie with another woman as she would lie with a man. That which is not forbidden is permitted. A woman is in fact permitted to lie with another woman as she would with a man. The Bible does however forbid a woman from engaging in sex with other women to the exclusion of having sex with a man.

This is addressed by Paul who writes:

…even their women did exchange the natural use
into that which is against nature. And likewise
also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,
burned in their lust one toward another…
(Rom. 1:25b-27a)

Here the issue is not violation of the commandment against males having sex with males (as in Lev. 18:22; 20:13) but against the commandment to engage in natural sex "being fruitful and multiplying". This passage in Romans has to do with women who forsake having sex with a man in order to engage exclusively in sex with other women. A woman who does not forsake sex with a husband does not violate the principle that Paul lays down here.

WHAT ABOUT GROUP SEX?

The Bible actually tells us that group sex is acceptable. In (Lev. 18:18) the Bible reads:

Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister,
to vex her, to uncover her nakedness beside the other
in her life time.

The wording of this verse implies that a man should not have sex with two sisters in their life time. But the wording of the passage implies that two women that he was having sex with might be right beside each other, and THAT is not what the Bible says is wrong here. After all if it is always wrong for a man to bring his wife to another woman to have sex with that other woman next to his wife, then why have this statement? Wouldn't it always be wrong even if it was not her sister? From this passage we can conclude that it was apparently not always wrong, it was only wrong if the women were
sisters. I want to clarify that while some translations of the Bible have taken out the word "beside" the word is definitely there in the original Hebrew. And the original Hebrew specifies that the man has brought the wife to the sister so that one is beside the other. By implication it does not seem to be a violation for a man to bring one woman to another woman and uncover their nakedness right beside each other as long as they are not sisters. Since a person may give their spouse permission to lie with another, they may also be present while this takes place right beside them. If he has permission from his wife a man may have sex with another woman while his wife is watching. At the same time a woman may have sex with another man right in front of her husband so long as her husband has granted her permission to do so.
If both parties wish to engage in this activity the Bible is OK with it.

CONCLUSIONS

The sexual morality laid out in the Bible is not the sexual morality that you have been taught is in the Bible. The Bible does not forbid premarital sex, oral sex or anal sex. The Bible does forbid homosexual sex between males but does not forbid women from engaging in sex with each other provided they do not forsake sexual relations with a man. The Bible does forbid adultery. Adultery only occurs when a married people have sexual relations with a person other than their spouse without having been given permission to do so by their spouse. If permission is given by the spouse, a married man may engage in sex with another women and a married woman may engage in sex with another man or another woman, provided they do not forsake sexual relations with her man. If such permission is given, sexual encounters may take the form of group sex (so long as the men do not engage in sex with each other directly) and the spouses can watch the activity.

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Re: Religious wife….any advice

Unread post by isinlarsa » Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:44 pm

Wrong Bible reference. See correction below.
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Unread post by isinlarsa » Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:57 pm

Also Abraham effectively gave his wife Sarah to the Pharaoh, who took her as his wife for an extended period of time. (Genesis Chapter 12). Abraham even pretended to be Sarah's brother to give the Pharaoh a clear path to have sex with Sarah. I don't know if it excited Abraham but he clearly set it up.

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Unread post by Isguy4 » Tue Nov 26, 2024 8:06 pm

I think that was shown as a bad thing….

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Re: Religious wife….any advice

Unread post by Qasimkha » Wed Nov 27, 2024 2:57 am

Share your snap
Id like to see
Frankly my wife is similar, extremely conservative, 33 and petite
Iv gotten her to at least talk about it and it's mind blowingly good. But it did take me a full year to get to this point

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Unread post by SeaGirtCuck » Thu Nov 28, 2024 4:57 am

By controlling someone's sex life, you exert a significant level of power and influence over their personal choices and autonomy. Controlling someone's sex life is used as a tool for emotional manipulation, making them feel guilty, obligated, or dependent.

You have to remember religion is a business, and guilty, obligated, or dependent people are easy to manipulate into your most dependable customers.
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Re: Religious wife….any advice

Unread post by Island » Fri Nov 29, 2024 8:05 am

I think you should try and make her compromise. I would suggest:
a) tell her exactly what your fantasy is and maybe back it up with some data that this is a very common turn on for men
b) show understanding to her religious beliefs, but ask her if she is ok to have something online or going to a bar and flirt. If she feels comfortable maybe she can take it further, if not, this will be good enough to feed your fantasy

In any case be honest and upfront with her .. some texting or flirting in a bar is harmless

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Unread post by Isguy4 » Sat Nov 30, 2024 8:16 pm

I think maybe I could get her into a bar to flirt. My thoughts are to contact a guy before hand and secretly stage the scene so that he gives her a lot of attention.

My concern, is that he tells her what I did, and that would cause a massive problem for me.

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Unread post by leggysman » Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:51 am

Problem: massive
Solution: never do anything sneaky 😛

If you're going to get there, do it as a team!
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Unread post by trecital » Sun Dec 01, 2024 3:16 am

leggysman wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:51 am
Problem: massive
Solution: never do anything sneaky 😛

If you're going to get there, do it as a team!
And if 50% of the team don't want to play this game, then find some other game that all of the team wants to play.

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Unread post by AHDog » Sun Dec 01, 2024 3:20 pm

There is always the ChristianSexuality and the ChristianSwingers subreddits if you think it may help. I'd read through them first and see if any threads address any of the issues your wife may have brought up about indulging your fantasy.

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Unread post by Island » Tue Dec 03, 2024 2:05 pm

I wouldn’t stage it. It has to be natural. If you go to a busy bar, I am sure guys will talk to her

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Unread post by Isguy4 » Tue Dec 03, 2024 9:37 pm

Fair enough. I got so close to talking about it the other night. It was one of those times where we sort of woke up from sleep fucking. I was rubbing her ass and my fingers made their way to her asshole. After a few minutes she was breathing heavy and moaning as I had two fingers going in and out of her ass. I paused, flipped her so her ass was up, and put my cock a little in her pussy and a finger in her ass. I was ABOUT to ask her how she’d like to feel two cocks in her at once….but she came.

Sorry long story, but just felt good getting so close to telling her. She would have been put out, so it’s good that I didn’t.

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Unread post by leggysman » Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:23 am

A good goal would be to try and get to a place where you can just talk about, matter-of-factly, what your kink is.

She ought to want to know what turns you on, even if she ultimately chooses not to enact your fantasies. And you should ask about her fantasies too. Have the conversations. If she's reticent talking about these things, work on that. Query it. Our sexuality is part of who we are as humans. If there's anyone you should be able to talk to about it, it's your spouse. I'm sure even God would approve, if they existed :P

IMO, both of you should accept and support the other in having, and talking about, kinks and/or fantasies. It should be considered a part of really knowing your partner. You reported attempts at light discussions, to which she replied she was "not interested". That's where she's in the wrong, IMO. Not interested in doing is one thing. But talk is free.

It might take time for you both to get to that comfort level, but it seems like the basic groundwork of potentially making fantasies come true. Not that they necessarily will, but it really is kind of a prerequisite. Without doing that, I don't think you should necessarily expect a good reaction if you spring it on her unexpectedly during sex, especially given what you've told us about her current disposition.

Be brave. Set aside some quality time alone with her, turn off the TV and put away the phones, pour a couple of glasses of wine (or grape juice, whatever :lol: ) and say something like, "let's talk about sex, turn-ons, and fantasies". Start there. It's actually fun, and freeing.
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Unread post by Isguy4 » Thu Dec 05, 2024 2:42 am

Yeah. I feel like I’m headed there. I’ve laid the ground work for about a year on how fantasies can be things you’d never actually do. That has allowed us to talk about her flirting with guys or stuff like that. I feel like I have to introduce new concepts during sex though. Then she can’t deny that she felt excited by it.

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