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Possible first FWB or hotwife scenario
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 7:37 pm
by SessionsGoLong
Forgetting when I joined here but have been reading for a while, only posting once prior to this one. Was raised in an open marriage family. Stayed a bachelor with no kids. Had a handful of drunken one night stands from 1988 to 1994 and no std's. Got sober for good in 2002, have been without sex other than masturbation, since 94.
A couple of years ago I really began researching ethical non-monogamy, poly, hotwifing and cheating wives a lot. I mean all of my porn searches boiled down to those categories for some reason. About then was when I began to recall in detail my own experiences witnessing my mom and dad do the swinging 70's wife swapping stuff. Which lead to long term lovers for my mom. Probably I was getting assistance from my subconscious, looking for answers for me to my celibacy, to get the ball rolling so to speak. Been a long rut. I mostly did not remember all of those parental poly years until I got here and read Des31's entire story and many more. I recollected a few of my parents sex parties over the years but the recent influx of those memories have caused me to journal any small detail into 39+ pages.
Before long I had hired a talk therapist to help me sort out these recovered memories and; "what could be the one thing that caused my arrested developement regarding sex and only trusting my right hand instead of actual fucking?" Turns out trust and patience are my Rubicons. Two things, not one. Over time I tended to hurry the seduction of the women I was attracted to sexually, like I thought I saw my married parents doing with their partners. I would just hear or see my parents fucking their partners, and did not see at all how the agreed upon sex had been arranged. I did not have good examples of how to take things slowly and tended to get shot down using the fast track method to sex, like my parents seemed to do. While drunk I must have exhibited false machismo seduction and scored here and there back then because of it. Just prior to retiring from alcohol and occaisional party favors in 2002, I had lost my mojo seemingly for ever. Most of my sex partners were set-ups via friends. Maybe I never had any game and now I have to learn that part. So sexual patience is one challenge for me as I navigate year 23 of my sobriety. I can't just jump into bed with a woman unless I hire an escort and at this point I will be doing this very soon. My talk therapist and I feel that if I can get the celibacy monkey off of my back then I can perhaps begin to slowly move forward into some great long term sex partnership before I die. Thankfully I do not need chemicals to get hard. So a week long trip to Vegas or Amsterdam is probably my answer. I hate flying as I am a big dude and don't fit well in those small seats comfortably so maybe not. Thinking prostitution is illegal in my home state of Wisconsin I may need to see what laws Illinois has as I am near to that border. Or find a very understanding woman who can coach me for a while and release me back into the wild.
Trust is another big deal for me, tending in my past to lean away from a potential girlfriend when I felt the intimacy and closeness or, to be attracted to women who weren't attracted to me and get shot down. A confusing place to be. So focusing on me and my career choices, and basically missing out on having a wife and kids, am now early retired with an open calendar. Can only hunt, fish, workout and travel so much, to avoid the obvious emptiness at home where I find myself here most days or nights just jacking off again. A bit boring after 31 years of it but it is all that I have for right now.
I recently met a young family through a job that I volunteer at and I at first only got calls from the husband, but the wife began calling me to arrange helping them move into an apartment. Now she calls about helping her to find a used vehicle. She and their youngster were in a wreck, nobody got hurt. No insurance for their vehicle's unfortunate total loss and there was not another vehicle involved in the wreck, so she needs a car before long. The wife said she will pay me to drive her next week 130 miles round trip or one way, not sure yet on the distances to a vehicle she wants to look at. I have pretended to not be attracted to her since January. After the move-in day, we went swimming and she is around 30 looking very good in a swimsuit. Her husband left us at the pool to run errands so I was able to make a lot of eye contact and smiles from the pool as I gave swim lessons to their child, while his wife sat in the sun. Last week her husband asked her to call me for help with the car search and I without any reservation at all said yes to being her transportation. Secretly hoping that we may need a hotel room if the universe wants my fantasy to hotwife this beautiful woman to happen, Lol.
I already know to let her take the lead on this which goes against my alpha tendencies to move too quick and wreck it. I am also concerned about any of my fantasies setting me up for another failure and lost friendships. When I am talking to her and near to her we tend to lock eyes and smile to each other a lot, regardless if hubby is right there. I have stifled one wet swimsuit hug with her before I went home that night after our swim, because I got nervous. She stepped two paces toward me into our very close personal spaces wanting a hug during my goodbye, as her husband turned and walked into the apartment away from us, I only smiled at her. Should have hugged her. Maybe that was a dual lesson on just taking things very slow with a hint of a reminder of an old habit of mine of turning and running from intimacy. But instead I may be coaching myself to no longer avoid intimacy and to just hug her next time. If hubby complains then I did not turn her away, he did. Then it is on him and I was not cock blocking myself through sabotoge and fear. I do not want to fuck this up in either direction. Would like to remain friends with these two really awesome people and would like to find out discretely, perhaps alone in my car with her, if they have an open marriage like my parents did for 22 years. I know husbands and wives talk candidly to one another and would like to just flat out tell her that I like her more than friends. But if she is not interested in friends with benefits with my open calendar and she shoots me down, then to preserve the friendship I would not want her husband to know about our conversation.
I can only hope she brings it up, and it feels like she may bring it up, otherwise it may be a very long uncomfortably quiet car ride next week if I bring it up and she embarrassingly clarifies any mixed signals I received through my filters. OR, the OHW 'pull over and fuck me now' scenario happens. If the latter happens, I will share it with you all here soon after, from my phone, while frantically spell correcting with these sasquatch fingers on a virtual tiny keyboard.
Any tips?
Re: Possible first FWB or hotwife scenario
Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2024 2:07 am
by Shiphead
Start with asking how they met. Did she date a lot when younger. Other serious relationships. How she knew he was the right guy.
Ask questions. Don't get to specific about LS. Give her plenty of time to talk and see where that leads. Tell her about growing up in a household with parents who had an open relationship. Seeing your mom with a number of different men and she seemed happy to enjoy the variety.
If she shows no indication of being into those things or making any suggestions, she isn't interested. Yet.
Re: Possible first FWB or hotwife scenario
Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2024 4:55 am
by SessionsGoLong
I will work those steps Shiphead. Thank you!
Re: Possible first FWB or hotwife scenario
Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2024 5:58 am
by Shiphead
Best of luck to you
Re: Possible first FWB or hotwife scenario
Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2024 11:23 am
by leggysman
Talking about your parents' relationships might be a good icebreaker, if you can find a way to work that in. If they're open and she's interested in you, I expect you'd find out right then.
Re: Possible first FWB or hotwife scenario
Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2024 2:24 pm
by SessionsGoLong
Thanks leggysman. I think that is a good idea to include my upbringing. I just spoke to the husband about our work tomorrow. I asked about the car and he said they are going to try to make a purchase next week out of several car choices they have found online. Have not yet heard where the youngin will be during our drive. Probably either at a sitters house or buckled up in a car seat in my backseat.
Re: Possible first FWB or hotwife scenario
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 1:38 pm
by pixmangurn
Very interested in how this progresses, good luck in your healing journey!
Re: Possible first FWB or hotwife scenario
Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2024 2:10 pm
by SessionsGoLong
I have been communicating with both husband and wife about transportation to and from potential used car sellers. It turns out, yesterday on their day off, they used their remaining vehicle to do just that. Not sure what they found. I also went out with them on Friday to dinner at an outdoor festival in the hot and humid weather. I ended up going home early due to heat exhaustion and I assume missed out on another swim invitation at their apartment pool. Also, one day last week I invited the wife over during her nearby errands, to look at an antique dresser of mine I am selling, but she was too busy. They saw the image of it and they like it and will come get it someday. Feels like this is where fantasy and reality split off from one another.

Re: Possible first FWB or hotwife scenario
Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2024 2:11 pm
by SessionsGoLong
pixmangurn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 1:38 pm
Very interested in how this progresses, good luck in your healing journey!
Thanks Pixmangurn
Re: Possible first FWB or hotwife scenario
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 3:04 pm
by SessionsGoLong
I texted the wife yesterday to see if she was home, as I was prepared to deliver the furniture to them instead of them picking it up next week. I also asked her and her child to go along with me to these fun venues afterward, venues that I normally go to alone. She called me and replied yes to both after talking it over with her hubby. So after dropping off the furniture, I went on a hangout (date?) with the wife and the child and we had a blast. Husband seems to be fine with it. He was at work until late and we kept him in the loop as the day went along. She and I were touching each others arms or shoulders to get one anothers attention as the events we went to were loud at times. Some good eye contact throughout. We ate and neither of us drink but I drove as they are still looking for a replacement vehicle. We arrived last at a live outdoor band and ice cream when hubby called and said he was home. So I drove his family back to their place said hi to him, shook hands, we talked about what to do at work today and I hugged the wife and child then went home to crash.
Today I saw her at work as she walked up to me and we hugged. We all work at the same place and her hubby was running errands this morning when I arrived. Their child said she was still tired out from yesterday. I was as well. Wife got busy and quickly asked me if I will be around later in the morning, but work had me going in a separate direction and I told her I was running errands too. Then I called her husband telling him what I got done and was back home for the day by noon. I may see them Sunday, but she asked me to come to their place for dinner next week and since she is a great cook and hot, I said yes.
What is happening to me? I feel on track to a hotwife scenario one day, and then a day later I am convinced that it was all just a really good masturbation fantacy. A byproduct of long term celibacy I am guessing. Lack of experience. I do feel that I am wired for this stuff however. To become a part time long term hotwife boyfriend. Since childhood I had watched mom and dad do this for two decades. I watched them and listened to them communicate openly about who was going to sleep where and with whom and for how many hours or days. So if this particular wife is into this, I will put a boundary in place that husband must tell me it is okay to go to the next level with his wife. We hug now and I can also tell that I am stopping myself from holding her hand when we are together. It feels pretty natural to want to hold her hand. Even wondering about walking arm around her shoulder or waist. Like I need permission to do these natural things but because of her marriage and those vow thingys, I do not want cause a fight or hard feelings or a breakup. I am pretty sure we like each other and both she and I want more; but slowly more as we get comfy around one another. I am truly a novice at all types of dating. Having very very few dates and no girlfriends yet. So these questions of mine probably appear as simple stuff that everyone else knows already in their 50's. Inexperience lows and novelty highs all at once.
In hindsight I have had hotwifing opportunities in my distant past, I understand it so much better now what those multi-partnered women were doing. I was simply not interested. I wanted monogamy and those hotwives and hot unmarried women with boyfriends, just flat said no way to my request. Or I would turn down the willing ones on my own terms via my fears and old stifling and unworkable 'morals' I guess I will call them. I have always been a bachelor with no kids so when my parents marriage ended in divorce, mom had already had three boyfriends and one girlfriend and my dad seemed to only fuck the one neighbor lady, but I suspect he kept his lovers away from us as he travelled a lot. Mom fucked right at our house or at the neighbors, and babysat us kids. Need to learn the art of seduction. I had no examples of this as I would stumble upon people fucking or be forced to listen to it out of the blue. Perhaps because I have gained what I think is total recall of my childhood, I am more prepared to be a lover to a hot mom with permission and to not push it away again.
Re: Possible first FWB or hotwife scenario
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 8:16 am
by central
SessionsGoLong wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 3:04 pm
I texted the wife yesterday to see if she was home, as I was prepared to deliver the furniture to them instead of them picking it up next week. I also asked her and her child to go along with me to these fun venues afterward, venues that I normally go to alone. She called me and replied yes to both after talking it over with her hubby. So after dropping off the furniture, I went on a hangout (date?) with the wife and the child and we had a blast. Husband seems to be fine with it. He was at work until late and we kept him in the loop as the day went along. She and I were touching each others arms or shoulders to get one anothers attention as the events we went to were loud at times. Some good eye contact throughout. We ate and neither of us drink but I drove as they are still looking for a replacement vehicle. We arrived last at a live outdoor band and ice cream when hubby called and said he was home. So I drove his family back to their place said hi to him, shook hands, we talked about what to do at work today and I hugged the wife and child then went home to crash.
Today I saw her at work as she walked up to me and we hugged. We all work at the same place and her hubby was running errands this morning when I arrived. Their child said she was still tired out from yesterday. I was as well. Wife got busy and quickly asked me if I will be around later in the morning, but work had me going in a separate direction and I told her I was running errands too. Then I called her husband telling him what I got done and was back home for the day by noon. I may see them Sunday, but she asked me to come to their place for dinner next week and since she is a great cook and hot, I said yes.
What is happening to me? I feel on track to a hotwife scenario one day, and then a day later I am convinced that it was all just a really good masturbation fantacy. A byproduct of long term celibacy I am guessing. Lack of experience. I do feel that I am wired for this stuff however. To become a part time long term hotwife boyfriend. Since childhood I had watched mom and dad do this for two decades. I watched them and listened to them communicate openly about who was going to sleep where and with whom and for how many hours or days. So if this particular wife is into this, I will put a boundary in place that husband must tell me it is okay to go to the next level with his wife. We hug now and I can also tell that I am stopping myself from holding her hand when we are together. It feels pretty natural to want to hold her hand. Even wondering about walking arm around her shoulder or waist. Like I need permission to do these natural things but because of her marriage and those vow thingys, I do not want cause a fight or hard feelings or a breakup. I am pretty sure we like each other and both she and I want more; but slowly more as we get comfy around one another. I am truly a novice at all types of dating. Having very very few dates and no girlfriends yet. So these questions of mine probably appear as simple stuff that everyone else knows already in their 50's. Inexperience lows and novelty highs all at once.
In hindsight I have had hotwifing opportunities in my distant past, I understand it so much better now what those multi-partnered women were doing. I was simply not interested. I wanted monogamy and those hotwives and hot unmarried women with boyfriends, just flat said no way to my request. Or I would turn down the willing ones on my own terms via my fears and old stifling and unworkable 'morals' I guess I will call them. I have always been a bachelor with no kids so when my parents marriage ended in divorce, mom had already had three boyfriends and one girlfriend and my dad seemed to only fuck the one neighbor lady, but I suspect he kept his lovers away from us as he travelled a lot. Mom fucked right at our house or at the neighbors, and babysat us kids. Need to learn the art of seduction. I had no examples of this as I would stumble upon people fucking or be forced to listen to it out of the blue. Perhaps because I have gained what I think is total recall of my childhood, I am more prepared to be a lover to a hot mom with permission and to not push it away again.
Easy to see why there is difficulty in reading their motives - if any.
On one hand, you are just the right person that they met at a time when they need a person like you. You are showing kindness, you willingly make time to be around them and helping them out.
The other hand, the husband is happy and comfortable with the situation of you spending quality time with his hot pretty wife and child.
Could be mixed signals, could be something else. You can find out without doing any damage to the relationship you 3 have.
Are you ever alone with the husband? Even for a few minutes at a time? If so, you should think about telling her husband that she is a great catch.
Tell him how attractive she is, tell him when you are with her at public events, you notice all these other guys checking her out. Maybe tell him these things over a couple different days, maybe not too much at one time. Thank him for letting you hang out with her and tell him he is a very lucky guy. Maybe mention it makes you feel elated (your own words here) to hang out with her.
Pay attention to his response as that can be very telling.
She holds hands with you in public, that seems like a big signal. She calls you, another signal. Many women are attracted to older and established men, seems she might be. It is best to have some sort of conversation with husband first since you are friends with both. Then in the near future you can ask his permission for more, depending on his reactions to the above.
Good luck, hope it works out well for all. Keep us posted often.
Re: Possible first FWB or hotwife scenario
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 9:39 am
by Magellanic29
such a great and lovely story. I can't wait to hear more.
Re: Possible first FWB or hotwife scenario
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 11:19 am
by SessionsGoLong
central wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2024 8:16 am
Sage advice Central, you have kind of read my thoughts on complimenting either her first or husband first, about her attractiveness or, how I can see why he fell for her. She really is one of the good ones here. He left me alone at the empty pool with her and their child one day after dinner. I was giving swim lessons to the child and purposely got caught checking out my hot mom friend.
SessionsGoLong wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 3:04 pm
I texted the wife yesterday to see if she was home, as I was prepared to deliver the furniture to them instead of them picking it up next week. I also asked her and her child to go along with me to these fun venues afterward, venues that I normally go to alone. She called me and replied yes to both after talking it over with her hubby. So after dropping off the furniture, I went on a hangout (date?) with the wife and the child and we had a blast. Husband seems to be fine with it. He was at work until late and we kept him in the loop as the day went along. She and I were touching each others arms or shoulders to get one anothers attention as the events we went to were loud at times. Some good eye contact throughout. We ate and neither of us drink but I drove as they are still looking for a replacement vehicle. We arrived last at a live outdoor band and ice cream when hubby called and said he was home. So I drove his family back to their place said hi to him, shook hands, we talked about what to do at work today and I hugged the wife and child then went home to crash.
Today I saw her at work as she walked up to me and we hugged. We all work at the same place and her hubby was running errands this morning when I arrived. Their child said she was still tired out from yesterday. I was as well. Wife got busy and quickly asked me if I will be around later in the morning, but work had me going in a separate direction and I told her I was running errands too. Then I called her husband telling him what I got done and was back home for the day by noon. I may see them Sunday, but she asked me to come to their place for dinner next week and since she is a great cook and hot, I said yes.
What is happening to me? I feel on track to a hotwife scenario one day, and then a day later I am convinced that it was all just a really good masturbation fantacy. A byproduct of long term celibacy I am guessing. Lack of experience. I do feel that I am wired for this stuff however. To become a part time long term hotwife boyfriend. Since childhood I had watched mom and dad do this for two decades. I watched them and listened to them communicate openly about who was going to sleep where and with whom and for how many hours or days. So if this particular wife is into this, I will put a boundary in place that husband must tell me it is okay to go to the next level with his wife. We hug now and I can also tell that I am stopping myself from holding her hand when we are together. It feels pretty natural to want to hold her hand. Even wondering about walking arm around her shoulder or waist. Like I need permission to do these natural things but because of her marriage and those vow thingys, I do not want cause a fight or hard feelings or a breakup. I am pretty sure we like each other and both she and I want more; but slowly more as we get comfy around one another. I am truly a novice at all types of dating. Having very very few dates and no girlfriends yet. So these questions of mine probably appear as simple stuff that everyone else knows already in their 50's. Inexperience lows and novelty highs all at once.
In hindsight I have had hotwifing opportunities in my distant past, I understand it so much better now what those multi-partnered women were doing. I was simply not interested. I wanted monogamy and those hotwives and hot unmarried women with boyfriends, just flat said no way to my request. Or I would turn down the willing ones on my own terms via my fears and old stifling and unworkable 'morals' I guess I will call them. I have always been a bachelor with no kids so when my parents marriage ended in divorce, mom had already had three boyfriends and one girlfriend and my dad seemed to only fuck the one neighbor lady, but I suspect he kept his lovers away from us as he travelled a lot. Mom fucked right at our house or at the neighbors, and babysat us kids. Need to learn the art of seduction. I had no examples of this as I would stumble upon people fucking or be forced to listen to it out of the blue. Perhaps because I have gained what I think is total recall of my childhood, I am more prepared to be a lover to a hot mom with permission and to not push it away again.
Easy to see why there is difficulty in reading their motives - if any.
On one hand, you are just the right person that they met at a time when they need a person like you. You are showing kindness, you willingly make time to be around them and helping them out.
The other hand, the husband is happy and comfortable with the situation of you spending quality time with his hot pretty wife and child.
Could be mixed signals, could be something else. You can find out without doing any damage to the relationship you 3 have.
Are you ever alone with the husband? Even for a few minutes at a time? If so, you should think about telling her husband that she is a great catch.
Tell him how attractive she is, tell him when you are with her at public events, you notice all these other guys checking her out. Maybe tell him these things over a couple different days, maybe not too much at one time. Thank him for letting you hang out with her and tell him he is a very lucky guy. Maybe mention it makes you feel elated (your own words here) to hang out with her.
Pay attention to his response as that can be very telling.
She holds hands with you in public, that seems like a big signal. She calls you, another signal. Many women are attracted to older and established men, seems she might be. It is best to have some sort of conversation with husband first since you are friends with both. Then in the near future you can ask his permission for more, depending on his reactions to the above.
Good luck, hope it works out well for all. Keep us posted often.
Re: Possible first FWB or hotwife scenario
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 11:23 am
by SessionsGoLong
Magellanic29 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2024 9:39 am
such a great and lovely story. I can't wait to hear more.
I have seen myself mix signals before or misread a situation. I will be taking this one very slow. Will keep you posted.
Re: Possible first FWB or hotwife scenario
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 5:20 pm
by leggysman
SessionsGoLong wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2024 11:23 am
I have seen myself mix signals before or misread a situation. I will be taking this one very slow. Will keep you posted.
Welllll .... maybe not too slow, eh? Seduction is an art not a science, but sometimes if you take it too slow, the excitement or allure can get dulled for her, and you end up in that dreaded "friend zone".
So, even if you take it slow, try to keep the sparks sparking and the pushing of things subtly forward, a little bit more risque whenever you feel like the moments are right. If you get a negative signal of some kind (even if subtle, like a facial expression), that's when to pause and pull back. Otherwise, forward!
But ultimately, some kind of talk probably needs to happen with him or her -- leap of faith, cards on the table. He or she might initiate it, with any luck. Effusively complimenting her attractiveness to him sounds like a good idea. If he seems uncomfortable about that at all, then maybe you read the situation wrong. If he's a hotwife's husband, it's likely he will respond positively.
OTOH if they're simply open, it's possible they may have something more on along the spectrum of a "don't ask don't tell" arrangement, and she'd be the one you need to read.
Re: Possible first FWB or hotwife scenario
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 6:07 pm
by SessionsGoLong
leggysman wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2024 5:20 pm
SessionsGoLong wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2024 11:23 am
I have seen myself mix signals before or misread a situation. I will be taking this one very slow. Will keep you posted.
Welllll .... maybe not too slow, eh? Seduction is an art not a science, but sometimes if you take it too slow, the excitement or allure can get dulled for her, and you end up in that dreaded "friend zone".
So, even if you take it slow, try to keep the sparks sparking and the pushing of things subtly forward, a little bit more risque whenever you feel like the moments are right. If you get a negative signal of some kind (even if subtle, like a facial expression), that's when to pause and pull back. Otherwise, forward!
But ultimately, some kind of talk probably needs to happen with him or her -- leap of faith, cards on the table. He or she might initiate it, with any luck. Effusively complimenting her attractiveness to him sounds like a good idea. If he seems uncomfortable about that at all, then maybe you read the situation wrong. If he's a hotwife's husband, it's likely he will respond positively.
OTOH if they're simply open, it's possible they may have something more on along the spectrum of a "don't ask don't tell" arrangement, and she'd be the one you need to read.
Will do. This late in life I feel like I am trying to read a how to book in low light, in the wind and the rain, with missing pages and a partially glued binding. Yuck on that painted in friend zone corner. Been there too much. I will definitely keep it fresh, fun and inquizitive. Thank you for the tips Leggysman. With this help I am getting here from all, I am feeling more confident on how this may map out IRL.
Re: Possible first FWB or hotwife scenario
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 6:24 pm
by SessionsGoLong
pixmangurn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 1:38 pm
Very interested in how this progresses, good luck in your healing journey!
Thank you. I feel like a virgin again, but with growing up or grown up experiences to assist me. I have actually been celibate longer than I was a virgin the first time.
Re: Possible first FWB or hotwife scenario
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 6:31 pm
by SessionsGoLong
Magellanic29 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2024 9:39 am
such a great and lovely story. I can't wait to hear more.
I refuse to give up. I think most would have by now. If this current one is not available, I may screetch to a halt and lick my wounds, but I still will try again later on.
Re: Possible first FWB or hotwife scenario
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:47 am
by central
Hope you get some quality time with her today. Keep us updated.
Re: Possible first FWB or hotwife scenario
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:26 pm
by SessionsGoLong
I kept waiting to post good news but I have only seen the husband at work and his wife has begun a different job now that school has started for their little one. His wife found a used car to buy and I guess that is that. At some point I will probably get an invitation to head over to their place for the dinner she offered to make. She and I only had that one summer date that included their child, while hubby was working. We had fun and she is really cool to hang out with. On to the next one I guess.