Reignite the Flame

[bbarnsworth]

The only green lights are the ones SHE tells you. It's all too easy to map our hopes and fantasies onto actions of the potential hotwife and see hope when in reality it's just a fantasy, or something induced by a moment with alcohol. You don't really know. Small, who responded above, is spot on; it's vital this is HER fantasy, HER desire, HER intentions. All you can do is open doors.

I'm completely guessing; but sucking a (fake) cock is less real of course than sucking you off. But, having a dildo in her can feel closer to real than sucking on the same dildo. So, her wanting the dildo in her pussy and you in her mouth might have been her exercising her fantasy. But again... it's not a green light. Just a guess. She's the one to lead this.

I think it's great progress though!

[CuriousOne36]

Can’t wait to see where this situation is headed!

[william70]

I hope that one day when you're no longer a wannabe, you'll continue your story in the "Hotties" forum. It's so much easier to follow. Love your story so far.

[QuietHope]

Just read the full thread and I am hooked. I love these early accounts where the potential hotwife is developing slowly into an actual hotwife. Obviously, we don't know for sure that she ever will, but the signs are definitely there: She is clearly enjoying the flirting from younger men, even if she won't admit to it openly (yet), and the fact that she is now using the X Large dildo shows that she is more turned on than she used to be. Yup, she is slowly getting there.
As others have pointed out, baby steps and very soft pushes in the right direction are the ways to do it. It's vital she feels it's her own decision and her own desire - otherwise she will back down and shut it down. I can't wait to see this unfold.

Appreciate the support. I hear you on making this her decision.

Sophia is definitely embracing this!

Fingers crossed

The only green lights are the ones SHE tells you. It's all too easy to map our hopes and fantasies onto actions of the potential hotwife and see hope when in reality it's just a fantasy, or something induced by a moment with alcohol. You don't really know. Small, who responded above, is spot on; it's vital this is HER fantasy, HER desire, HER intentions. All you can do is open doors.

I'm completely guessing; but sucking a (fake) cock is less real of course than sucking you off. But, having a dildo in her can feel closer to real than sucking on the same dildo. So, her wanting the dildo in her pussy and you in her mouth might have been her exercising her fantasy. But again... it's not a green light. Just a guess. She's the one to lead this.

I think it's great progress though!

Yes yes yes and I hope so!

Can’t wait to see where this situation is headed!

Thanks!

I hope that one day when you're no longer a wannabe, you'll continue your story in the "Hotties" forum. It's so much easier to follow. Love your story so far.

Yup, that's the dream

[patw3268]

Glad to hear some of my earlier advice worked. You’re at a good point but I think you need to stop selling the idea. The seeds are planted. Every time the topic comes up, ask her how would that make her feel? And when she answers it, don’t be defensive, ask another question. Us guys blow it when we try to sell it.

Do you think you could handle two guys?
-no
Why not
-because xxx
-why do you think that wouldn’t work?
-because you xxx
I see, that makes sense. Let me reflect on that and get back to you.

Don’t bring it up, hopefully she wants to know what you’re reflecting on. If she does, keep asking her more questions.

[QuietHope]

Glad to hear some of my earlier advice worked. You’re at a good point but I think you need to stop selling the idea. The seeds are planted. Every time the topic comes up, ask her how would that make her feel? And when she answers it, don’t be defensive, ask another question. Us guys blow it when we try to sell it.

Do you think you could handle two guys?
-no
Why not
-because xxx
-why do you think that wouldn’t work?
-because you xxx
I see, that makes sense. Let me reflect on that and get back to you.

Don’t bring it up, hopefully she wants to know what you’re reflecting on. If she does, keep asking her more questions.

OK, i like the questions idea but I have to be careful, very easy me to go from questions to pressing.


Not sure if this really counts as a wannabe update because it's not particularly sexual but thought I’d share.

We’re renting a cabin (more of a nice house to be honest) on a lake in the northeast USA this week and I think Sophia is increasingly showing interest in other guys. Two examples.

First, she and I were kayaking in two individual kayaks and these four young guys in a red speedboat kept driving by us and causing waves which wasn’t too fun for us and it seemed like they kept doing drive bys and getting closer each time. I suspect that they enjoyed watching Sophia’s cleavage jiggle from the waves but just my suspicion. She was wearing a white t-shirt that had gotten very wet over a red bikini. Their drive bys kept getting closer and it looked apparent to us that they were harassing us intentionally. Finally, as they approached, Sophia yelled “Assholes!” at them. This caused them to slow down and swing by again more slowly. I could see they were young white guys likely in their twenties and drinking beers. She yelled at them for being jerks and they claimed to have not noticed us. She called them liars. I saw them conferring with each other, nodding, and then, they surprised us and apologized saying they didn’t see us but they should have. This softened Sophia and she told them to have fun and just be careful and they sped off.

As we got back to our dock, they came by again slowly and again they apologized. She told them not to worry about it. Then they said that if we were interested, they could take us around in their boat. They did offer us both but I declined but told Sophia she could go if she wanted. She said sure. They drove up close and helped her into their boat. She waved and they sped off.

There was something about that moment of them speeding off with my wife in that loud speedboat as I tied up our kayaks that really made me feel like a cuck. You can guess my imaginings. Flirting, then groping and eventually, of course, the gangbang…stuff of my dreams.

She was gone for maybe 45 minutes. I had started up the grill and got dinner started. When they dropped her off, they waved to me and told us to have a great week. I noticed that she no longer was wearing the wet t-shirt, just the red bikini. She jiggled her way over to me by the grill and kissed me and I could taste the cheap beer. I asked her how it was and she said they were rednecks but fun. I said she should have got their numbers and she just mysteriously said “maybe I did” but I’m pretty sure she was just playing with me. I later asked for more details and she said that my imagination is too much. They boated around and she had a beer. She said they didn’t even really talk because the boat was so loud.

The second event has been the family staying a few houses down from us. We noticed them because of their kids playing in the lake. We said hello and we’ve gone over for bbq and they came over the next night and we’ve started hanging out some during the day. Nice people, white, very overweight. The dad is so busy eye-fucking my wife he doesn’t seem to notice his teenage son doing the same. The mom has noticed but hasn’t said anything, at least not in front of us. I haven’t said anything to Sophia but the way she’s been wearing bikinis and tops which show off her assets (tight belly and boobs), she seems to like the audience. She’s been smiling a lot at them both and when she laughs at their jokes, she leans in and her fingers will touch their arms. She’s just being so much more openly flirtatious than ever.

Hard to know sometimes how much I’m creating these things in my head. Am I seeing behavior I want to see or is she really getting more interested?

[BallSpanking]

Casual physical contact in the circumstance you describe, is intentional, not really casual.
The fact that Sophia chose to accompany four guys, alone on their boat on the lake, is also rather bold.
It sounds as though Sophia is enjoying testing your boundaries. I would be interested to know if any of this came up during your pillow talk that evening, and who mentioned it.

[Dream Weaver]

Not sure if this really counts as a wannabe update because it's not particularly sexual but thought I’d share. ....

.....They drove up close and helped her into their boat. She waved and they sped off.

There was something about that moment of them speeding off with my wife in that loud speedboat as I tied up our kayaks that really made me feel like a cuck. You can guess my imaginings. Flirting, then groping and eventually, of course, the gangbang…stuff of my dreams.

She was gone for maybe 45 minutes. I had started up the grill and got dinner started. When they dropped her off, they waved to me and told us to have a great week. I noticed that she no longer was wearing the wet t-shirt, just the red bikini. She jiggled her way over to me by the grill and kissed me and I could taste the cheap beer. I asked her how it was and she said they were rednecks but fun. I said she should have got their numbers and she just mysteriously said “maybe I did” but I’m pretty sure she was just playing with me. I later asked for more details and she said that my imagination is too much. They boated around and she had a beer. She said they didn’t even really talk because the boat was so loud.

The second event ....

Hard to know sometimes how much I’m creating these things in my head. Am I seeing behavior I want to see or is she really getting more interested?

Hah! I'm going to say a few things, but I mean them in only the encouraging way a cuck would take it. You feel like a cuck because you're acting like a cuck and she's enjoying testing your submissiveness to the fantasy. You let her go off with them despite the feelings of disrespect. And she gave them the business, all aggressive and more manly than you, but then turns around and cozies up to them. Oh, they apologized, but it was more a little trick to keep chatting her up, and then you excluded yourself so they could socialize with her. So she left you like you wanted and gave them a little hot body exhibition and drank beer with them, a total cuckoldress move. And then she caps it with an explicit cuck tease at your expense.

And maybe when she goes to the corner store and sees them they invite you two to a party or something like that, hoping you don't come. Real friendly, those two, laying the groundwork, making their own luck.

You know if the roles were reversed you and some random friend were in the speedboat and hot Sophia was kayaking with one of them, you would have been a little more careful. And if you did accidentally splash her, the man would speak up, not passively wait for Sophia to be the "protector". And if you, by some miracle, you had the nerve to come up and "apologize" at their dock, he'd send you on your way empty handed. Then he'd take Sophia inside and they'd laugh at you as she submitted sexually to a guy who she'd feel safe and proud to make babies with.

Yeah, I might be laying it on a little thick.

Can't speak for the second event. Men enjoy looking at your wife. I bet she gets that all the time. You're lucky she's so attractive! That's half the battle in this game, makes it much easier.

I love your story so far. You've steered into some interesting cuck waters where you can only sort of guide things at this point, but she knows the score. She feel like she can put herself in situations of sexual tension with men who aren't pussies and friend zone material.

Just a matter of time. Maybe soon, maybe in a year or two... who knows. Really loving it!

[Long Lurker 34]

Glad to hear some of my earlier advice worked. You’re at a good point but I think you need to stop selling the idea. The seeds are planted. Every time the topic comes up, ask her how would that make her feel? And when she answers it, don’t be defensive, ask another question. Us guys blow it when we try to sell it.

Do you think you could handle two guys?
-no
Why not
-because xxx
-why do you think that wouldn’t work?
-because you xxx
I see, that makes sense. Let me reflect on that and get back to you.

Don’t bring it up, hopefully she wants to know what you’re reflecting on. If she does, keep asking her more questions.

OK, i like the questions idea but I have to be careful, very easy me to go from questions to pressing.


Not sure if this really counts as a wannabe update because it's not particularly sexual but thought I’d share.

We’re renting a cabin (more of a nice house to be honest) on a lake in the northeast USA this week and I think Sophia is increasingly showing interest in other guys. Two examples.

First, she and I were kayaking in two individual kayaks and these four young guys in a red speedboat kept driving by us and causing waves which wasn’t too fun for us and it seemed like they kept doing drive bys and getting closer each time. I suspect that they enjoyed watching Sophia’s cleavage jiggle from the waves but just my suspicion. She was wearing a white t-shirt that had gotten very wet over a red bikini. Their drive bys kept getting closer and it looked apparent to us that they were harassing us intentionally. Finally, as they approached, Sophia yelled “Assholes!” at them. This caused them to slow down and swing by again more slowly. I could see they were young white guys likely in their twenties and drinking beers. She yelled at them for being jerks and they claimed to have not noticed us. She called them liars. I saw them conferring with each other, nodding, and then, they surprised us and apologized saying they didn’t see us but they should have. This softened Sophia and she told them to have fun and just be careful and they sped off.

As we got back to our dock, they came by again slowly and again they apologized. She told them not to worry about it. Then they said that if we were interested, they could take us around in their boat. They did offer us both but I declined but told Sophia she could go if she wanted. She said sure. They drove up close and helped her into their boat. She waved and they sped off.

There was something about that moment of them speeding off with my wife in that loud speedboat as I tied up our kayaks that really made me feel like a cuck. You can guess my imaginings. Flirting, then groping and eventually, of course, the gangbang…stuff of my dreams.

She was gone for maybe 45 minutes. I had started up the grill and got dinner started. When they dropped her off, they waved to me and told us to have a great week. I noticed that she no longer was wearing the wet t-shirt, just the red bikini. She jiggled her way over to me by the grill and kissed me and I could taste the cheap beer. I asked her how it was and she said they were rednecks but fun. I said she should have got their numbers and she just mysteriously said “maybe I did” but I’m pretty sure she was just playing with me. I later asked for more details and she said that my imagination is too much. They boated around and she had a beer. She said they didn’t even really talk because the boat was so loud.

The second event has been the family staying a few houses down from us. We noticed them because of their kids playing in the lake. We said hello and we’ve gone over for bbq and they came over the next night and we’ve started hanging out some during the day. Nice people, white, very overweight. The dad is so busy eye-fucking my wife he doesn’t seem to notice his teenage son doing the same. The mom has noticed but hasn’t said anything, at least not in front of us. I haven’t said anything to Sophia but the way she’s been wearing bikinis and tops which show off her assets (tight belly and boobs), she seems to like the audience. She’s been smiling a lot at them both and when she laughs at their jokes, she leans in and her fingers will touch their arms. She’s just being so much more openly flirtatious than ever.

Hard to know sometimes how much I’m creating these things in my head. Am I seeing behavior I want to see or is she really getting more interested?

QH
- Which ever way you slice it, is not a fairly high per centage of the LS ones mental perception of whatever is or isn't going on? Your choice of the perception is the stimulation that gets you cranked up. No?
- Only in the future will you know for sure. Being able to reflect back on these activities in a new light.

[leggysman]

living in Cali, near SF

Do you know Alicia and Steve by any chance?

[Mumfred]

@Quiethope do you have a link to pics of your wife? I wasn't sure if you shared that before or not.

[central]

Hard to know sometimes how much I’m creating these things in my head. Am I seeing behavior I want to see or is she really getting more interested?

Nice update! Hope you all are having a very relaxing and fun vacation.

I am sure you have left some details out, but wow, what a turn of events with your hot lady and the boat guys.
Sophie went from anger at them to joining them! It is understandable that they might not have spotted you two in kayaks. Obviously, Sophie believed that.

I think Sophie saw something with at least one of the guys that interested her and caused her to think she would like to get to know him better. It is tough to imagine that one of them wouldn't slow the boat down to have a conversation with her on board and throw lots of compliments to her.

It wouldn't be surprising if they show up around you two (her) before vacation is over.

She might be testing you to gauge your reaction each time to know if you are sincere or not about her having some extra-curricular fun on the side. I think you passed this test.

She seems ready to play, but it might take a while to happen. Keep passing her tests, let her know you support her, and the right guy / situation will show up and she will be more than willing let nature take it's course.

Seems it could be easier to encourage her to take the HW route versus the making you a cuck route.

[QuietHope]

You feel like a cuck because you're acting like a cuck and she's enjoying testing your submissiveness to the fantasy.

Just a matter of time. Maybe soon, maybe in a year or two... who knows. Really loving it!

So much great comments in your post, thank you. I'm hoping sooner than a year.

Casual physical contact in the circumstance you describe, is intentional, not really casual.
The fact that Sophia chose to accompany four guys, alone on their boat on the lake, is also rather bold.
It sounds as though Sophia is enjoying testing your boundaries. I would be interested to know if any of this came up during your pillow talk that evening, and who mentioned it.

Yes, I think so-intentional

Being able to reflect back on these activities in a new light.

Hope so.

Do you know Alicia and Steve by any chance?

I do not?

@Quiethope do you have a link to pics of your wife? I wasn't sure if you shared that before or not.

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=73486

hope that works

Seems it could be easier to encourage her to take the HW route versus the making you a cuck route.

I'm not sure if I want to be a cuck who gets denied entirely...but would very much enjoy her being a HW



I am trying hard to pass each of her tests. Staying cool and happy for her without being too excited and pushing it. She's well aware of how it excites me:
Last night during sex, she took my finger into her mouth and sucked on it like a cock while I fucked her. I asked her who’s cock it was. She said one of the guys from the boat.

[Mumfred]

@Quiethope do you have a link to pics of your wife? I wasn't sure if you shared that before or not.

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=73486

hope that works

Thanks QuiteHope! It sure does. She is a beauty.

[mattyg_2671]

Just came cross your thread, love your story so far. Many similarities with my own journey with my wife. I’ve no doubt it will happen for you, it’s just a matter of time and the right circumstances at the right time. Once it happens you better be prepared for a wild ride when her eyes are opened after 24 years of her just having sex with you.

[QuietHope]

Just came cross your thread, love your story so far. Many similarities with my own journey with my wife. I’ve no doubt it will happen for you, it’s just a matter of time and the right circumstances at the right time. Once it happens you better be prepared for a wild ride when her eyes are opened after 24 years of her just having sex with you.

Wow, I do hope to join the club. I'm buckled in for the wild ride but can I truly be prepared?



She’s been occasionally texting the mover boys if you remember them. She told them she was on vacation and they asked for a bikini photo. She sent one.

A thought on the boat guys from earlier this week. I know that I behaved like a wimpy cuck, but nonetheless, they knew that she was a married mom and she was with her family. I have to think most guys aren’t trained to behave like bulls-they are usually respectful of marriage lines, even if their urges are different. So no matter how interested they might have been, they didn’t ask her to meet or anything. Could I have behaved differently to signal to them that they had an open lane to take their shot with her, as far as I was concerned? Is this a hurdle for cucks or are most alphas just going to go for it once they sense that I’m a cuck?

[BallSpanking]

Your consent to her going alone with them on the boat says all that needed to be said. You don't have to behave like a wimp publicly.
The fact Sophia went on the boat alone with four men, and later mentioned one of them as you were having sex, is an indication of what she was thinking.
Also, the fact she continues to text with the mover boys, is an indication of what is on her mind. You should take some sexy shots of her in a bikini and encourage her to send them to the mover guys. It would be nice of you would post some of them here too.

[central]

Just came cross your thread, love your story so far. Many similarities with my own journey with my wife. I’ve no doubt it will happen for you, it’s just a matter of time and the right circumstances at the right time. Once it happens you better be prepared for a wild ride when her eyes are opened after 24 years of her just having sex with you.

Wow, I do hope to join the club. I'm buckled in for the wild ride but can I truly be prepared?



She’s been occasionally texting the mover boys if you remember them. She told them she was on vacation and they asked for a bikini photo. She sent one.

A thought on the boat guys from earlier this week. I know that I behaved like a wimpy cuck, but nonetheless, they knew that she was a married mom and she was with her family. I have to think most guys aren’t trained to behave like bulls-they are usually respectful of marriage lines, even if their urges are different. So no matter how interested they might have been, they didn’t ask her to meet or anything. Could I have behaved differently to signal to them that they had an open lane to take their shot with her, as far as I was concerned? Is this a hurdle for cucks or are most alphas just going to go for it once they sense that I’m a cuck?

Just looked again at your wife's red bikini pic in the hotties section, such a great picture. It really captures how absolutely hot she is.
Is that the one she sent the mower guys? If so, they will be contacting her often trying to get more or better trying to set a meet up with her. She obviously is interested in one or both of them. Look for her to start fantasizing about them when having sex with you, that would be a big sign for you to know where her thinking is. Would you be excited if she wanted to meet one of them out some evening?

It seems the boat guys picked up on signals from her, or you, or both. Still, it took courage to even ask her if she wanted to go for a boat ride with them. They were probably very surprised she accepted and were not sure how to interact with her. They probably gawked a lot at her in her bikini. Have to wonder if any of them made a move on her. If not, they have been kicking themselves since. How could they not try to set up a future meet? Hahaha, missed opportunity. Would she have accepted to meet if asked?

The mower guys have the best shot of some sort of fun with her. Are they still sending pictures to her? Does she comment on them, or one of them?

You are a lucky guy for sure. Really looking forward to how things play out.
She is sure to surprise you as things will happen how she wants, not necessarily how you want.
Exciting times ahead!

[BallSpanking]

She’s been occasionally texting the mover boys if you remember them. She told them she was on vacation and they asked for a bikini photo. She sent one.

You should suggest that she should demand some pics of them in return ... It's only fair (and naughty).
I think Sophia might enjoy doing that.

[central]

Hey QuietHope, Any updates?

[QuietHope]

Would you be excited if she wanted to meet one of them out some evening?

Holy cow-that's what I fantasize about!

Would she have accepted to meet if asked?

I'd like to say yes but honestly, I don't think so

The mower guys have the best shot of some sort of fun with her. Are they still sending pictures to her? Does she comment on them, or one of them

yes, not everyday, but they continue to text.

No updates, getting back into everyday life again. School starts soon here in Cali.

[BallSpanking]

Have you suggested she challenge them with a demand for a pic exchange from them?

[QuietHope]

Back home and I was feeling tired last night but she wanted to have sex. We used the dildo again and I asked, in the heat of the moment, who she was thinking of and she named one of the mover boys. She then said his name repeatedly until she came. Eyes closed. Afterwards, she asked me to buy a second large dildo….

[QuietHope]

I've been reading around these forums-very eye opening. I'm wondering if I'm more of the "stag" variety than true cuck. I don't have any fantasies or desire to "service" another guy or bull myself, although I would be pretty turned on by oral "clean up duty" after she came home leaking a bull's jizz. I'm not interested in wearing panties. With the recent experience with the boaters, I did like how they took her away from me but I think it was more her actions than theirs. I don't think I'd have liked it if they had come into the yard and ordered me to cook or something. Is this something I just won't really know until we get farther along this path?

[Dream Weaver]

I've been reading around these forums-very eye opening. I'm wondering if I'm more of the "stag" variety than true cuck. I don't have any fantasies or desire to "service" another guy or bull myself, although I would be pretty turned on by oral "clean up duty" after she came home leaking a bull's jizz. I'm not interested in wearing panties. With the recent experience with the boaters, I did like how they took her away from me but I think it was more her actions than theirs. I don't think I'd have liked it if they had come into the yard and ordered me to cook or something. Is this something I just won't really know until we get farther along this path?

I think you know just fine! Even the "stag" has that humiliation of knowing his wife isn't all his and others know it. That's enough "humiliation".

Cleanup after she comes home isn't super humiliating, in my humble opinion, that's just fun times showing your submission to the situation. Of course, give it enough time and this "way of life" has turned out many a man into doing things they never imagined.