Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

[solstice]

For the relatively short time you have been gracing this forum you have has over 160,000 views, could it be because SW has a tendency to keep you somewhat in the dark over her HW asperations?

[Tryn]

How did the girls night out go last night?

[slenderfish]

Judging from Pinky's past behavior, my guess would be #1 or #3. If it is in fact #2, I would not expect it to last very long, she has now bedded two men outside of her marriage, and is aware she can have more, or others, and I believe she will.

In the event it is #3, it would not be all bad. As a HW she is implementing her interests in directions she wants to pursue. If this is in fact Mr G, all the better. She is so bad at lying (if she is not being open about an affair), you will soon know it, and instead of challenging her, simply moderate hthe behavior so it works for both of you.

You said so yourself, the Mr G outcome is one that you would prefer, so if it is already going on ... why quash it?

I'm completely with you on this point. #1 is fine, #2 is a letdown, and #3 is an opportunity to moderate. I'd much prefer #1 so #3 is, comparatively, a bad result in that she continues down this secrecy path. I'd rather she shake it herself vs. me having to always intercede and remind.

Also, the longer and more consistent she maintains secrecy (if in fact that's really what's going on here) then we are pretty much headed into the cuckold realm vs. hotwife/stag. And the more remote that I'll be able to be involved in any way that I'd prefer.

Of course, the "good thing" here is that we are really on the road of this lifestyle, which is such a marked difference from where we stood (sat?) this past August when I started this string.

I'm super happy that we are on this adventure. Our story is so intriguing for me, and I'm glad it has found followers who also find it compelling enough to check in from time to time and to offer thoughts and comments.

[slenderfish]

How did the girls night out go last night?

Still in Covid conditions and, of course, the ripple effect on the girls' group because Ms. K ("pantygate") continues to be in the background. That is, one of the girls (Ms. V) does spend a lot of time with Ms. K these days, and that girl was not invited last night (to keep Ms. K from finding out). Another of the girls who was invited, Ms. S, only agreed to participate if Ms. K would not find out, because these two are historically close friends. But still another of the girls who was invited, Ms. F, a few hours prior, forgot about the secrecy from Ms. K and texted Ms. V telling her how excited she is and looking forward to the "Galentines Eve" outing with the group. Then all hell broke loose, Ms. V was miffed she was not invited, Ms. S immediately withdrew, and Ms. F was in tears that she ruined it.

It may be useful to know that Ms. M (pole dancer) noted to us that one of the things she looked forward to accomplishing with her move out of state in late 2020 was some space between her and Ms. K. One of the reasons Ms. K is "on the outs" with SW and some of the other girls is because Ms. K is baby crazy right now and has taken some outlandish steps to get herself pregnant by just about any means possible. I've been warning all my guy friends to steer clear of this Ms. K hottie.

So they did go out, smaller group of girls, and when I got home (after my boys' night which was really cool) after 11:00 p.m., SW was home and had opened a bottle of wine and was 2/3 the way through it. She asked me to sit with her and have a glass but I'd already had too much tequila so I did sit with her while she finished the bottle and we talked but were both too ragged to have any sex. Ended up going upstairs to bed around 12:30 a.m.

[slenderfish]

For the relatively short time you have been gracing this forum you have has over 160,000 views, could it be because SW has a tendency to keep you somewhat in the dark over her HW asperations?

It's certainly compelling and entertaining for those of us who dabble, or aspire to dabble, in this lifestyle.

I'm gratified by the interest.

[slenderfish]

Mr. S.

You may recall that he was Pinky's first choice for entrance into the Hotwife lifestyle. This is true even if she had dabbled in the cheating lifestyle in the past; the point with Mr. S is that she will and shall share with me the activities and we will both enjoy her exploits in our own ways. It's been an uneven result on the sharing, a work in progress. And apparently continues as such.

Remember also that he never really engaged with her in the way she wanted, in between encounters. Ultimately, he is a fuck buddy. She has embraced that reality, and has to decide if that works for her.

And Pinky never really liked to share the details, the texts, etc., but did so in a somewhat begrudging way.

Finally, you may remember that Mr. S' birthday falls on the same day as hers. Same exact day.

So it was just a matter of time until he sent the birthday text, on "their" birthday. I was waiting to see if Pinky a) would share it with me, and b) how much time would elapse before she shared it, and c) if she replied to him and the we cycle back to (a) and (b).

She shared with me within an hour of his text. It was a courtesy birthday text, basically "happy birthday beautiful, hope you enjoy your day, can't wait to see and feel you" etc. She didn't say anything about any reply to him at the time, so I continued with the approach of waiting to see how she approached it.

She did reiterate that he's been demoted to "the friend zone" in her mind.

It's a few days later and a) she has of course deleted his text, and b) she didn't mention anything about any reply to him.

Either she didn't reply (I can't see that to be honest) or she did and kept that to herself.

I'll ask her when the opportunity next presents itself.

[superb101]

Will you be able to see phone records if, in fact, she did reply?

[BallSpanking]

Yes ... he's in the the friend zone and he's going to STAY there until the day his dick is available again!

[slenderfish]

Will you be able to see phone records if, in fact, she did reply?

No, apparently they are both on iPhones so the messages are handled outside of the regular phone records.

[afagehi7]

Fish - you said "This is true even if she had dabbled in the cheating lifestyle in the past;"

She didn't cheat on you? You mean pre fish?

I don't understand why panty gate is such a huge deal. Women can be so catty. What is her major issue with panty gate? It's also an issue for the others?

[slenderfish]

Yes ... he's in the the friend zone and he's going to STAY there until the day his dick is available again!

I tend to agree. I hope she goes for it.

She is going against her longstanding rule never to travel to the Midwest during the months Dec-Mar; she is fully booked at the "swanky" lakefront hotel from Feb 23-30 as suggested a few weeks ago by Mr. S. Or, to be more precise, I booked her flights and hotel and car rental, so she is all set.

She will visit her mother, her girlfriends, her other niece (the sister of the one who lives with us), and whomever else.

Will she meet up with Mr. M? I suppose that depends if he ever takes the advice of CBS radio's Kevin Harlan to "Pull up your pants, take off your bra, and be a man."

Said she will keep her eyes open for somebody to take the supposed vacancy of Mr. S, but no promises.

So I guess we are in another countdown to see if Pinky emerges in full feather.

[slenderfish]

Fish - you said "This is true even if she had dabbled in the cheating lifestyle in the past;"

She didn't cheat on you? You mean pre fish?

I don't understand why panty gate is such a huge deal. Women can be so catty. What is her major issue with panty gate? It's also an issue for the others?

I was referring to possibility that she did get together with Mr. B (pre-fish). That's not fully resolved in my mind, perhaps will never be resolved.

Panty gate has become a bigger deal because Ms. K apparently is pissed she was frozen out for as long as it did last. So she is now striking back in her own way by trying to divide the girls. This all unfortunate 5th and 6th grade "mean girls" behavior, and I believe at some level that SF did overreact. Ms, K was not hitting on me and was not intentionally being inappropriate. She just had some boundary issues that needed to be curbed. It should have been handled with more friendship and understanding, from my viewpoint.

But I sleep each night with SF so of course will support her approach even if it differs from what I believe may be a better approach.

[slenderfish]

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[afagehi7]

I think she'll fuck Mr S. As the date nears and he knows she's booked the hotel he'll start showing her attention. He's a player. If he wants that pussy he knows how to get it. Mr. M, I agree. What a pussy boy. A hot woman is giving away free pussy and he gets his skirt ruffled.

Mr B - we're all there with you. See, at first it was suspicious but the way they acted after made it seem like it was innocent. He's still hanging out, she's friendly to him, he hooks up with you on a business deal, etc. If they had done something he would distance himself, she would act weird around him, you'd hear from him less to never as he puts distance between and SW tried to act normal but can't because of what happened.

So, now that has all come true. I'd assume that your budding friendship with B has turned cold. I'm wondering about the business dealings.

Pantygate - what a drama club. I don't understand why women are that way. Men - we argue, meet on the playground after school and fight, next day are friends.

[Long Lurker 34]

I think she'll fuck Mr S. As the date nears and he knows she's booked the hotel he'll start showing her attention. He's a player. If he wants that pussy he knows how to get it. Mr. M, I agree. What a pussy boy. A hot woman is giving away free pussy and he gets his skirt ruffled.

Mr B - we're all there with you. See, at first it was suspicious but the way they acted after made it seem like it was innocent. He's still hanging out, she's friendly to him, he hooks up with you on a business deal, etc. If they had done something he would distance himself, she would act weird around him, you'd hear from him less to never as he puts distance between and SW tried to act normal but can't because of what happened.

So, now that has all come true. I'd assume that your budding friendship with B has turned cold. I'm wondering about the business dealings.

Pantygate - what a drama club. I don't understand why women are that way. Men - we argue, meet on the playground after school and fight, next day are friends.

I recall a quote from a long ago Reader's digest article on the difference in friendship between men/men and women/women.

"Women handle friendship like crystal and men handle it like a football."

Between men and women is entirely different matter.

[solstice]

Slenderfish writes: Ms. F, a few hours prior, forgot about the secrecy from Ms. K and texted Ms. V telling her how excited she is and looking forward to the "Galentines Eve" outing.

With so many people involved the chance of someone inadvertently speaking out of turn was inevitable.

[Triggershy]

This is my favorite tv show of all time. Is it Knots Landing or Dynasty? Hell it’s better then both of them Sex, skiing, lake house and Catty girls. Waiting for the next episode when SF takes on the trainer and comes clean about the business partner. Aaron Spelling is so jealous of these plot lines!!

Thanks again for always being honest and open. One day everything will fall into place!!

[veub]

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[veub]

Mr B - we're all there with you. See, at first it was suspicious but the way they acted after made it seem like it was innocent. He's still hanging out, she's friendly to him, he hooks up with you on a business deal, etc. If they had done something he would distance himself, she would act weird around him, you'd hear from him less to never as he puts distance between and SW tried to act normal but can't because of what happened.

So, now that has all come true. I'd assume that your budding friendship with B has turned cold. I'm wondering about the business dealings.

To me it seems the opposite. She was fucking B but he decided to screw the other woman whose letter I can't remember. That pissed off SW and she has been making it clear to him that she's angry.

[anonymister1948]

Mr B - we're all there with you. See, at first it was suspicious but the way they acted after made it seem like it was innocent. He's still hanging out, she's friendly to him, he hooks up with you on a business deal, etc. If they had done something he would distance himself, she would act weird around him, you'd hear from him less to never as he puts distance between and SW tried to act normal but can't because of what happened.

So, now that has all come true. I'd assume that your budding friendship with B has turned cold. I'm wondering about the business dealings.

To me it seems the opposite. She was fucking B but he decided to screw the other woman whose letter I can't remember. That pissed off SW and she has been making it clear to him that she's angry.

This is my take as well.

[slenderfish]

Mr B - we're all there with you. See, at first it was suspicious but the way they acted after made it seem like it was innocent. He's still hanging out, she's friendly to him, he hooks up with you on a business deal, etc. If they had done something he would distance himself, she would act weird around him, you'd hear from him less to never as he puts distance between and SW tried to act normal but can't because of what happened.

So, now that has all come true. I'd assume that your budding friendship with B has turned cold. I'm wondering about the business dealings.

To me it seems the opposite. She was fucking B but he decided to screw the other woman whose letter I can't remember. That pissed off SW and she has been making it clear to him that she's angry.

This is my take as well.

Yes, if it's anything it's this. He and I have continued our friendship and I figured he might even overcompensate (figuratively and literally) out of desire to cover any suspicion. The business dealings are going swimmingly.

I know SW well enough and once it became clear he's a player/dog she no longer felt special. I mean, if it happened.

I'll point out that I often meet women and especially if it's clear there is chemistry and she's interested, it's really my m.o. to get to the point where it's clear I could have closed the deal if I wanted, I will then hand her off to a buddy or otherwise close it out gracefully.

I think it's possible that SW went to the edge of fucking him but would/could not go through with it. The aftermath/awkwardness would still exist, and she would know he wanted it and would go there if she let him. So she had that going along but then when he gave up the pursuit for lack of reward, and then shifted to other game, she got miffed and has given him the cold shoulder. But of course I'm presumably out of the loop so she talks to me as if she is fine with him, and has to play along in order to cover the charade that she thinks I've fully bought.

There's a certain amount of curiosity and entertainment value to this, no matter which case it may be.

I mean, I hope she did fuck him. She's fabulous and he'll never forget it. If she did not, then he'll ultimately be frustrated and miffed that he only got close, she rejected at the moment of truth, she essentially was unfairly teasing him, etc. I certainly would be displeased if I got that far along and she changed her mind, right when everything was otherwise perfect.

[afagehi7]

I mean, I hope she did fuck him. She's fabulous and he'll never forget it. If she did not, then he'll ultimately be frustrated and miffed that he only got close, she rejected at the moment of truth, she essentially was unfairly teasing him, etc. I certainly would be displeased if I got that far along and she changed her mind, right when everything was otherwise perfect.

If she fucked him then she's a cheater not a hotwife.

I also agree with everyone in her cold shoulder is because he fucked Ms. <Letter>. He belonged to her and she is not happy about him fucking someone else. My comment was initially they didn't act suspicious but now they are.

I am putting myself in Mr B shoes. At what point would the friendship merit a talk "hey man, I know this wasn't cool and I'm sorry it happened but we weren't friends yet. " I guess if I was just a casual friend and business associate them never but if becoming a close friend I would be guilt ridden and would sacrifice the friendship to come clean.

I hope she didn't because that makes her a cheater. I don't know if she fucked him, probably not, but it certainly went farther than she said. What guy falls asleep on the bed of a woman as hot as SW without making a play? I'm guessing that they had a "snog" and probably rounded first base, maybe second but stopped short of third base ( oral). Still, even if they just made out she should come clean.

Watch her fish. If she won't tell you about making out with B she won't tell you if she does other things.

[veub]

She's also likely to have fucked the trainer. I can see no other explanation for him just happening to show up at their house.

[afagehi7]

She's also likely to have fucked the trainer. I can see no other explanation for him just happening to show up at their house.

Too bad fish didn't save the evidence for further analysis. I can understand that he wants to trust her. I'm in the trust but verify camp. It's a bit odd her going over to run on the treadmill and other behavior. I can imagine him agreeing for the eye candy but temptation would be too much for any mortal man.

[slenderfish]

She's also likely to have fucked the trainer. I can see no other explanation for him just happening to show up at their house.

Too bad fish didn't save the evidence for further analysis. I can understand that he wants to trust her. I'm in the trust but verify camp. It's a bit odd her going over to run on the treadmill and other behavior. I can imagine him agreeing for the eye candy but temptation would be too much for any mortal man.

Okay, here's my take. I will find out sooner or later if she did fuck Mr. B. I could certainly have a conversation with him at any time and just ask him. But I'm letting the business stuff play out first, and observing in the meantime. Remember, it was this unresolved encounter with Mr. B that sparked our heart-to-heart about finally jumping into the hotwife water, which she's done. So that was the "onramp" situation that so many husbands point to as the boost into it all. If she did, then she's just covering to protect whatever she believes is being protected, and she's still become a hotwife. If she came close but didn't, then it's the same result.

As for the trainer, that will certainly show itself. She's a terrible anti-sleuth.

She's not an aggressive woman by nature. Not forward with men or women. But she is hot, although her self-image is like an 8 even though she's a 10.

If the trainer made a move on her, before becoming a hotwife, she would have recoiled, fired him, and come crying home to me. This even though she knew I'd be all for it. The new element here is that she now is in the hotwife lifestyle, and knows I'd really be supportive. So it's now a matter of whether she would do this in secret, and to what end?

I also assert the that she has changed her outward energy as a sexy woman, perhaps not even aware of it, since starting the lifestyle, and the trainer has caught the scent. Perhaps he stopped by the house in December to take stock of the situation at home. That's something I might have done, in that circumstance. Which then leads to January and some more actions that suggest a change between them.

Nothing to point to in February so far.

My present position is to watch and hope, so that if she starts or has started something with him and gets "hooked" on it, then I can make sure she brings it to the light of day. If she's dabbling in the thought of it, I want to let it play out.

Finally, I will observe her trip in a couple of weeks. It may shed light on the trainer matter. I am observing that the exact time I found possible evidence that she started up with her trainer, she also started telling me that she is done with Mr. S.