Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

[BallSpanking]

Thanks for the update, SF.
The tension seems a bit thick between you and SW, hopefully it will smooth out in the near future.
Not to doubt her version of things, but that line about doing the HW'ing only for you, is a crock.
She visited him twice, slept with him, fucked him all night, all of this outside of your presence.
Now it turns out she did it all for you? I don't think so.

Maybe a time-out would help defuse the tension. My belief is that once she understands she can have sexual freedom to see other guys, her libido will return.

[Freemans892]

With SW teasing you about if you having an affair with Ms. Ch, it’s hard to tell if she was trying to find out if you were having affair or if she dropping hints that she would be OK with it if you did having an affair with her. SW has dropped hints a number of times that she prefers a monogamish style relationship to a hotwifing style relationship. Could SW possibly more of a cuckquean than a hotwife? It’s seems to me that SW is a afraid of rejection and with Mr. S and Mr. M going cold hasn’t help her views towards hotwifing.

If you get SW in the mood, you could lite role-play with you pretending to be fucking Ms. Ch instead SW and see how SW responds. Also, the next time SW teases about Ms. Ch you should respond with a teasing do you want me to have an affair with Ms. Ch and see if her libido gets turned on.

[afagehi7]

So y'all just recapped the current status without discussing the future?

How did she act when you mentioned Mr B? Also, did you ever figure out the route Mr B could have taken to avoid the cameras? Obviously they weren't thinking about it so i doubt he went out a second story window.

Monogam-ish = what exactly? Occasionally forays from both?

She was really hot and nasty for a bit talking about giving her ass and other dirtiness. I didn't realize that it went cold. She was certainly enjoying it. Perhaps the rejection sent her cold?

[Long Lurker 34]

Fish

Any chance of some pics of SW all dolled up?


In the meantime, it's our 12-year wedding anniversary this week. We'll go out on Saturday night with Mr. E and Ms. W, to a fancy hotel restaurant because SW wants to get super dolled up.

[Tryn]

Appreciate you catching us up on the reality of things! Sounds like it’s definitely a stalemate. SW seems to like to keep Pinky separate from friends. I think trying to find a new way for Pinky to play locally, but not risking her friends finding out, seems like the best potential path forward. I’m guessing you know what spurs her to take action so try directing things towards actions away from friends. She likely doesn’t want to be seen in a slutty light with your friends, very reasonable, so find an alternative. Maybe it’s the two of you going out or some place to explore. Maybe it’s her going out “hunting.”

One thing I think won’t be helpful is you demonstrating to her that you can easily find “fun” without her. She needs to feel safe, not at risk. I understand your desire to send a message. I just think an alternate message will yield better results.

Go back to what motivates her, direct activities locally and assist her with it, help her to keep her reputation in tact, and show her that she’s safe being Pinky and it’s fun for her and you, and keep your ego in check (respectfully saying).

Keep us posted on things!

[slenderfish]

With SW teasing you about if you having an affair with Ms. Ch, it’s hard to tell if she was trying to find out if you were having affair or if she dropping hints that she would be OK with it if you did having an affair with her. SW has dropped hints a number of times that she prefers a monogamish style relationship to a hotwifing style relationship. Could SW possibly more of a cuckquean than a hotwife? It’s seems to me that SW is a afraid of rejection and with Mr. S and Mr. M going cold hasn’t help her views towards hotwifing.

If you get SW in the mood, you could lite role-play with you pretending to be fucking Ms. Ch instead SW and see how SW responds. Also, the next time SW teases about Ms. Ch you should respond with a teasing do you want me to have an affair with Ms. Ch and see if her libido gets turned on.

I wondered a slight bit about this at the time, and just so slightly touched on this path while in the heat of the moment. I did tease (ever so carefully) SW about envisioning me with Ms. Ch. It was hard to tell if it was a turn-on to her or if it was just her normal getting wetter as we get closer to orgasm. That is, whether she was responding to the talk or to the extra stiffening, fullness, etc. inside of her.

But she did not protest or have any negative reaction. None whatsoever.

This is a new element to play out as the opportunities arise.

I ultimately believe SW doesn't really know what her buttons are. I'll continue the journey to find out.

[slenderfish]

Fish

Any chance of some pics of SW all dolled up?

I'll make a point of it to get some images if at all possible. Historically, SW has shied away from the camera and rejected my suggestions for any posed photos. But more recently she has (after the fact) bemoaned lack of images after some of our more recent activities. She asked me to push her a bit more for these, and to not take "no" for an answer.

Typical for SW.

[2inUPMichigan]

With SW teasing you about if you having an affair with Ms. Ch, it’s hard to tell if she was trying to find out if you were having affair or if she dropping hints that she would be OK with it if you did having an affair with her. SW has dropped hints a number of times that she prefers a monogamish style relationship to a hotwifing style relationship. Could SW possibly more of a cuckquean than a hotwife? It’s seems to me that SW is a afraid of rejection and with Mr. S and Mr. M going cold hasn’t help her views towards hotwifing.

If you get SW in the mood, you could lite role-play with you pretending to be fucking Ms. Ch instead SW and see how SW responds. Also, the next time SW teases about Ms. Ch you should respond with a teasing do you want me to have an affair with Ms. Ch and see if her libido gets turned on.

I wondered a slight bit about this at the time, and just so slightly touched on this path while in the heat of the moment. I did tease (ever so carefully) SW about envisioning me with Ms. Ch. It was hard to tell if it was a turn-on to her or if it was just her normal getting wetter as we get closer to orgasm. That is, whether she was responding to the talk or to the extra stiffening, fullness, etc. inside of her.

But she did not protest or have any negative reaction. None whatsoever.

This is a new element to play out as the opportunities arise.

I ultimately believe SW doesn't really know what her buttons are. I'll continue the journey to find out.

Afraid of rejection from men and trying to find out if there is anything going on with you and another woman by asking in a teasing manner instead of a direct manner = insecurities.

[BallSpanking]

... more recently she has (after the fact) bemoaned lack of images after some of our more recent activities. She asked me to push her a bit more for these, and to not take "no" for an answer. Typical for SW.

An erotic photo session with SW, and the appropriate liquid or smokey inducements could definitely jumpstart her imagination and willingness ... After all, for what purpose would she desire to have such pictures? Right?

Moreover, it could lead to an excellent night of sensuality and fucking.

[Hobby_Fan]

This is my OHW favorite thread.

[slenderfish]

Afraid of rejection from men and trying to find out if there is anything going on with you and another woman by asking in a teasing manner instead of a direct manner = insecurities.

Excellent observation. I'll integrate.

[slenderfish]

Quick update; I'll elaborate on one or more of these elements over the next few days:

- I booked for SW and two of her girlfriends (Ms. F is having a birthday) a luxury resort (5-star) about an hour from our house for Thursday night; they will do a spa day and all of that. It has been in the conversation for a few weeks and they finally committed. She also asked me to make a reservation at a see-and-be-seen place for her group, not far from the resort. This is the same restaurant I booked for our anniversary dinner (below).

- I supported her with the girls's spa effort and, as expected, SW is supporting me on my Colorado ski trip, Out tomorrow back Thursday night.

- We had a wonderful anniversary dinner on Sat night (at restaurant noted above); I brought a very nice bottle of collectible Italian wine, and we did a dinner with Mr. E and Ms. W. We started on his boat with champagne and charcuterie board, then over to the dinner and the wine. Decided not to stay over on the boat, arrived home just before 2 a.m. The girls were hot!

- While driving home, SW was feeling good and was a bit sloppy happy drunk, and we stopped for self-serve gas just off the freeway at about 1:00 a.m. The image is over in the Hotties section. She looked so delicious so I unbuttoned her top and slid her bra down, exposing her alabaster breasts and pink nipples. I leaned down and suckled on them while a car or two drove into the gas station, and also a harley guy with full leather. She did not pull away or cover up.

- After that and while driving the rest of the way home, she was thinking out loud and wondered if she should invite Mr, B to the girls' dinner on Thursday night. I said that she of course should invite him!

[BallSpanking]

Hmmmm ... She wonders if she should invite Mr B to the girls' dinner ...
A platonic proposal, no doubt.

[Tryn]

Looking forward to you expanding on those topics! I think Pinky shouldn’t wait for dinner with Mr. B until the girls night. She should invite him for dinner while you’re away and they can have each other for dessert! Lol! Make sure your cameras are working!! Lol!

[afagehi7]

Quick update; I'll elaborate on one or more of these elements over the next few days:

- I booked for SW and two of her girlfriends (Ms. F is having a birthday) a luxury resort (5-star) about an hour from our house for Thursday night; they will do a spa day and all of that. It has been in the conversation for a few weeks and they finally committed. She also asked me to make a reservation at a see-and-be-seen place for her group, not far from the resort. This is the same restaurant I booked for our anniversary dinner (below).

- I supported her with the girls's spa effort and, as expected, SW is supporting me on my Colorado ski trip, Out tomorrow back Thursday night.

- We had a wonderful anniversary dinner on Sat night (at restaurant noted above); I brought a very nice bottle of collectible Italian wine, and we did a dinner with Mr. E and Ms. W. We started on his boat with champagne and charcuterie board, then over to the dinner and the wine. Decided not to stay over on the boat, arrived home just before 2 a.m. The girls were hot!

- While driving home, SW was feeling good and was a bit sloppy happy drunk, and we stopped for self-serve gas just off the freeway at about 1:00 a.m. The image is over in the Hotties section. She looked so delicious so I unbuttoned her top and slid her bra down, exposing her alabaster breasts and pink nipples. I leaned down and suckled on them while a car or two drove into the gas station, and also a harley guy with full leather. She did not pull away or cover up.

- After that and while driving the rest of the way home, she was thinking out loud and wondered if she should invite Mr, B to the girls' dinner on Thursday night. I said that she of course should invite him!

She's seriously considering Mr B. That's really hot on one hand but with the business entanglement is it a good idea?

[slenderfish]

I haven't heard anything about Mr. B today. I asked SW if all was set for her dinner and luxury overnight, if anyone had yet started to waffle about their participation. She said it's only the three girls overnight and the fourth one who lives local, joining for the dinner. That's all. But of course that doesn't say anything.

I actually don't think Mr. B will try anything, but of course he will attend if invited. The business stuff and friendship at this point, etc.

I'm more curious as to SW and whether she will trend back toward her penchant for secrecy. This one is probably harmless in all respects, except for that element.

[solstice]

Slenderfish writes: whether she will trend back toward her penchant for secrecy.

Could be she is giving information in a need to know basis, she can hardly stay shtume (slang) when you are arranging and paying for her fun nights.

[slenderfish]

Hmmmm ... She wonders if she should invite Mr B to the girls' dinner ...
A platonic proposal, no doubt.

I called Mr. B today to have a live conversation with him, and to see if he might mention whether he has been invited by SW. He is traveling tomorrow so we will talk Thursday.

[slenderfish]

So I'm here in Colorado at a major ski resort. Mr. E has high-level status at one of the major hotel brands so we are upgraded to a two-bedroom villa. I lost the coin toss and got the bedroom with two twin beds. He got the king bedroom.

We happened to cross paths with the group of girls (the first six of them) while at the local ski shop. They invited us up to the house for pre-dinner cocktails, etc. and also to dinner with them at the restaurant. We jumped on board. There are three more girls arriving tomorrow.

I should say women. All are older than the two of us guys, except for Ms. Ci. This Ms. Ci is quite the woman in many ways. She was a very successful model in her younger years and has kept her looks and style. I'd say she is about five years younger than me. She used to date major rock stars and she was ultimately married to some guy who apparently has major bucks. They are completing a drawn-out divorce and it appears she received two of the houses in the split; the beach house in the San Diego area and the mountain house in Coloarado. She keeps a recent-year white Ferrari in the garage at the California house.

She seems to be the ringleader of the girls and has purposely surrounded herself with girls who won't overshine her. She his hosting them at her house up here, which has seven bedrooms. I believe she is seen by the other girls as the younger one who is in touch with younger guys (e.g. myself and Mr. E) whom she can get to travel and be in and out of her girls' group, to make them feel desired and to be around younger men.

It's almost like if I was on a ski trip with a bunch of guys and one of the younger guys told us he'd arranged for a couple of pretty and younger girls to come out and hang with us from time to time during our boys' trip. I get it.

Mr. E was very handsy with some of the girls but nothing major to report. They appeared to enjoy the attention.

Got back to our hotel fairly early, and called SW and wished her a good night.

Gonna ski tomorrow. We will likely run into the group of girls at some point during the day.

[Freemans892]

Just confirming that Ms. Cy and Ms. Ci are two separate woman? Ms. Ci is the divorced one that you and Mr. E previously met at a party and she invited both of you to stay at her ski cabin. It’s not 100% clear if it is the same woman or two separate women. They seem to have very similar bio’s.

[slenderfish]

Just confirming that Ms. Cy and Ms. Ci are two separate woman? Ms. Ci is the divorced one that you and Mr. E previously met at a party and she invited both of you to stay at her ski cabin. It’s not 100% clear if it is the same woman or two separate women. They seem to have very similar bio’s.

Thanks for pointing this out. Ms. Cy and Ms. Ci are the same woman. I should have gone back and checked my nomenclature.

I edited the above posting to correct it.

Let's also note that I'd been drinking quite a bit of tequila not long before posting that one.

[slenderfish]

Quick note.

I left for the airport early on Tuesday morning (taxi for 7:15). SW had a massage booked for Monday night at 9:00 p.m. and I'd told her I will finish packing and then try to sleep a bit earlier than normal.

When she returned at 10:15 she showered first thing, and then essentially "jumped my bones" as they say. She wanted to be sure I got taken care of prior to my departure. This was just a bit unusual in that she's really more of a morning sex girl, but these days a lot is just a bit unusual. No protest from me, I'm all for this kind of unusual.

Part of me assumes she was trying to make a point and to leave her imprint, knowing that I am going to be out and traveling with Mr. E, and that he's really a ladies' man.

I remarked on how wet she was. She did whisper in my ear all kinds of hotwife concepts; she said that rather than a massage, she'd been out with a boyfriend she'd met at our local favorite nice restaurant bar, and that she'd been keeping him on the down-low. That she of course immediately showered upon her return to cover his scent and that she tried to clean out her vagina but that my observations of her wetness kind of gave it away and that I was feeling his cum inside of her. That he fucked her silly and she had powerful orgasms, and that she wanted to be sure I had the opportunity to reclaim her prior to my departure. It was really pushing my buttons and I had my own powerful orgasm.

Of course, this was all just talk, to indulge me. But it shows she is more in tune with what this is all about, etc. from my side.

I'm again not protesting!

[afagehi7]

Quick note.

I left for the airport early on Tuesday morning (taxi for 7:15). SW had a massage booked for Monday night at 9:00 p.m. and I'd told her I will finish packing and then try to sleep a bit earlier than normal.

When she returned at 10:15 she showered first thing, and then essentially "jumped my bones" as they say. She wanted to be sure I got taken care of prior to my departure. This was just a bit unusual in that she's really more of a morning sex girl, but these days a lot is just a bit unusual. No protest from me, I'm all for this kind of unusual.

Part of me assumes she was trying to make a point and to leave her imprint, knowing that I am going to be out and traveling with Mr. E, and that he's really a ladies' man.

I remarked on how wet she was. She did whisper in my ear all kinds of hotwife concepts; she said that rather than a massage, she'd been out with a boyfriend she'd met at our local favorite nice restaurant bar, and that she'd been keeping him on the down-low. That she of course immediately showered upon her return to cover his scent and that she tried to clean out her vagina but that my observations of her wetness kind of gave it away and that I was feeling his cum inside of her. That he fucked her silly and she had powerful orgasms, and that she wanted to be sure I had the opportunity to reclaim her prior to my departure. It was really pushing my buttons and I had my own powerful orgasm.

Of course, this was all just talk, to indulge me. But it shows she is more in tune with what this is all about, etc. from my side.

I'm again not protesting!

If all she ever does is talk like that I could be happy. That's more than many of us get.

[BallSpanking]

Hi Fish ...
I noticed SW's comments on her HW (fantasy) outing were meant to inflame your libido. But my question is, "In your opinion, is she buying into it for herself, or is this a diversion to keep you happy"?

[slenderfish]

So y'all just recapped the current status without discussing the future?

We've had conversations and one of these did touch on the future. She indicated she is open to finding a new guy but that the present lockdown environment really makes it impossible, and that there are no promises but nothing is off the table. But right now we are in a quiet time that may or may not stretch . It also seems like she is open to considering something more local but there needs to be a way to keep it from crossing over into any elements of our "regular" lives. Very conceptual at this point.

How did she act when you mentioned Mr B? Also, did you ever figure out the route Mr B could have taken to avoid the cameras? Obviously they weren't thinking about it so i doubt he went out a second story window.

This remains the unresolved element. She says she sent him downstairs shortly after going into the bedroom, and he certainly did appear in the video at about 7:00 a.m. walking out the front door from downstairs. When and how he got downstairs is impossible to determine. I may go back (yet again) and review the video to see if there are any hints.

Monogam-ish = what exactly? Occasionally forays from both?

I suppose. This remains very conceptual. Mr. B told SW of his "monogamish" relationship with his wife for many years. SW kind of liked it and has repeatedly referred back to that.

She was really hot and nasty for a bit talking about giving her ass and other dirtiness. I didn't realize that it went cold. She was certainly enjoying it. Perhaps the rejection sent her cold?

I think she realized that her choice of man/provider was ultimately doomed in that she pursued a vanilla guy and was not able to move it to any kind of real hotwife crossover. Next time will likely be a different intake.