Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

[Mark K]

An aside, how are the ski conditions? April can certainly be hit or miss with the quality of the snow.

[slenderfish]

Hi Fish ...
I noticed SW's comments on her HW (fantasy) outing were meant to inflame your libido. But my question is, "In your opinion, is she buying into it for herself, or is this a diversion to keep you happy"?

This, my man, is a key question that seems to be not yet fully settled.

I truly believe that if SW encounters someone who really revs her motors, it'll be game over and she'll jump headlong into it. But it's difficult for her to imagine at this point.

But truly she is now fully aware that almost all of the downside risks with respect to me (my reaction, my support, my desires, possible backfiring of certain elements, etc.) are no longer unknown and essentially resolved in her favor. So the road is now pretty much fully paved.

[BallSpanking]

... So the road is now pretty much fully paved.

Maybe you oughta grease-up them 'training wheels" ...

[Mr Mrs Cream]

Could you tell me what are your rules about sex with a bull.
Should he use condom?
Did you talked with her if she would put on a condom on his cock?

[slenderfish]

Could you tell me what are your rules about sex with a bull.
Should he use condom?
Did you talked with her if she would put on a condom on his cock?

Hello Creamers! Thanks for the question.

To me, the whole point is for her pleasure and satisfaction. I believe she prefers no condom in general when having PIV sex but of course there are the usual concerns that come with unprotected sex. As such, her two encounters with this element were a) with a man who she went with no condom after a some of months of communicating, and initially with condoms; and b) a man she has known for many years and trusts when he said he is safe.

I also know she prefers a man to come deep inside her, so that's also something I support when the circumstances permit condom-free sex.

[slenderfish]

Subject: Mr. E two things

I've become better friends with Mr. E over the months, essentially the same time period over which SW and I began the hotwife adventures. He was around and attending all the parties at our house last summer, which laid the foundation for so much of our story. With this background, a couple of points.

1) He has correctly identified me as a productive wingman. We did socialize over the past few days here in the ski area in Colorado with that girls' group. He knows at least two or three of the girls in the group (of about 10 girls). One of them has a boyfriend also in town, who was part of the fun when any of the guys (us) were invited. One of the girls got me comp'd on demo-level ski rentals, and the host of the gathering (Ms. Cy) hired a true chef to come to her house last night to prepare a traditional Swiss fondue for dinner (and dessert)! Mr. E and I were also able to use the jacuzzi (for after ski sore muscles). It all worked out; Ms. Cy had no interest in him so we pivoted to a different girl for him. He did get a bj from one of the girls tonight but it went no further. I did receive very strong signals from Ms. CY but a) I'm not going there anyway because it's not part of my deal with SW, and b) she is still in the tail end of a fairly messy divorce and is not in any position to start anything with a guy. She was super sloppy drunk tonight and a mess.

2) Last night while in the jacuzzi one of the girls brought out her pot and bong, and politely offered. We politely declined, but then she followed up with some THC gummies so Mr. E took half of one and I took a small bite of the corner of the remaining half. As we got relaxed and feeling groovy, somehow the subect of Mr. B and SW on that fateful night in September came up and began to be germane to our conversation. At this point it was just Mr.E and me in the jacuzzi having a private conversation. Given that Mr. E was around all this last summer and at all our social gatherings, and that he saw the body language of Mr. B and SW all these times, I decided it was okay ("JUST BETWEEN US GUYS") to ask his opinion on the shenanigans of that one night in late August when SW invited Mr. B over while I was out of town. After going through the blow by blow (pun intended) but really only halfway, he interrupted me and said "you know if she invited him in the manner she did, then it was a green light to him that she wanted to fuck him, and knowing him like I (Mr. E) do, he absolutely did fuck her." I asked him to reserve judgment until the entire story was complete, so he listened until the end. I said that there was the one uncertainty remaining that gives SW an out, which is her explanation that she asked Mr. B to sleep downstairs and sent him out of her (our) room shortly after they went in and shut off all the lights, etc. I explained that I've chosen to give SW the benefit of the doubt in light of our long relationship and the need for mutual trust, etc. That I was choosing to believe SW instead of believing my eyes, etc. Mr. E then said that Mr. B had made very overt passes at his (then) girlfriend, without regard for the fact that this girlfriend was at the time traveling as Mr. E's partner, etc. Mr. E said that Mr. B will fuck any woman, any time. That the only reason he would spend time with SW would be with the goal of "getting in." Either he got in with SW and SW later regretted it and has distanced herself, or he didn't fully get in with SW and gave up the chase, creating distance. He said I should not live in denial and should just accept the obvious, and choose to live with it.

Tonight SW is at the five-star resort hotel and out to dinner with the three girls, and perhaps Mr. B if she ultimately invited him. So I suppose that was on my mind (subconsciously) the past few days and it prompted my conversation with Mr. E about Mr. B and SW.

[Freemans892]

I got the impression that when you and Mr. E met Ms. Cy (Ms. Ci) that she was more interested in you than Mr. E. Did Ms. Cy give off the impression that she was after a quick fling or looking for a FWB relationship?

It does sound like that Mr. B is very much a hound dog and doesn’t respect other couples relationships. I guess there is not much difference between Mr. B and Ms. Cy I that they are interested in married people except that Ms. Cy is probably not as pushy except when she’s drunk. The key difference here is that you downplayed the opportunity when it was presented at the moment with Ms. Cy.

If SW is still interested in a monogamish relationship, e.g. allowed to play when out of town then Ms. Cy would be the ideal candidate as she doesn’t live locally.

In short, both Ms. Ch and Ms. Cy have given off signs in being interested in you. There is fun to be had with some lite teasing of SW so see if she gets turned on by your situation.

[Triggershy]

Did you also tell him how she threw a temper tantrum when he fucked the girl at the party and how she becomes sickn when he’s coming around?

Would he be able to ask Mr B? Sound childish but I’m dying to know the truth. These cliffhangers are too much for me.

I used to be good at Math this all adds up to something. I just wish it added up to the truth.

Sorry I’m always rooting for you to get your happy ending of watching your wife fuck a hot young stud!!!

[afagehi7]

Mr B and bedroom-gate - I think you can accept that it likely happened but you also accept no recourse in absence of definitive evidence for confrontation. I believe you believe she did something. Did they fuck? You'll never know unless one of them comes clean but it certainly wasn't as innocent as they proclaim. It is what it is and it's not worth fighting her over it. Nothing can be gained by revisiting the episode with SW. Perhaps she'll have some news this weekend.

Mr B is an ass. I wouldn't hit on or bang a buddy's woman without permission. I don't think he's the kind of guy I would want in my social circle.

Does your friend know that you are cool with her fucking mr b?

[slenderfish]

Thanks for the feedback.

- Ms. Cy is the queen bee of her social circle and has quite a history with men in the Los Angeles music scene. She was a super hottie and pulled big names, etc. but then got out of her modeling career and the scene when she married some rich guy and had two kids. She has a lot of personal style but apparently her divorce has been hard on her and she's not quite as tight and beautiful as she carries herself. But she has indicated she can be a sexy beast when in the mood.

- At least two of the girls in her party are fabulously wealthy; one is single and clearly has had the best plastic surgery money can buy in order to look younger in the fact of aging. Fabulous implants she does not mind showing off. The other one has a husband who cheats and apparently got a notification on her mobile of some activity from a security camera at her house, and rushed to show us (in real time) her husband showing some unknown younger woman into their house. This one was upset but not as upset as I would have expected. Ms. Cy said that this husband cheats and that this girl won't leave him. Mr. E gave her solace and then she gave him what he said was a world-class blow job in the bathroom. When they came out of the bathroom Ms. Cy and another girl who was there at the time asked if she gave him the bj and the bj-girl said "yes, and I swallowed all of it."

- Ms. Cy asked about my marital situation, whether I am happy, what's the deal, etc. I told her that we have an arrangement wherein "what happens outside of our time zone stays outside of our time zone" that is fairly new to us, and that my wife has played under this rule at least twice now but I have not and have not been interested in doing so. She said "oh, you have an open marriage" and I said it's not exactly that but she was insistent that it's an open marriage. I said that it is now a question of semantics within our conversation, but that I don't consider it an open marriage in the way I understand that term.

- I agree about nothing to be gained by Mr. B and bedroom-gate, with respect to mentioning anything to SW at this point. But I'm now reminding myself that this event has much more influence on SW and her movement to the hotwife lifestyle than I previously believed. Also want to remind myself of what I keep calling her "penchant for secrecy" and that she is able and wiling to go there.

- I think she is now of the mindset that I fully accept and believe her version of the bedroom-gate night.

- At some level I wonder if her efforts at hotwifing in Sep-Dec were in truth her effort to move the conversation and thinking away from the Mr. B bedroom-gate, kind of as a white-wash. This is consistent with her recent noting that she "did it for me" and also if it turns out she really is not into it and ultimately does not continue.

- Mr. E has not brought up any continuation of our conversation about Mr. B, but I did tell him at the time that I don't hold this against Mr. B in that we all know he is a lady-shark with no boundaries and if we choose to get in the water with him and our girls, he is predictable. Also that he clearly does not follow normal guys'-rules. That I have business with Mr. B (note that Mr. E knows Mr. B and his estranged wife and has known them for many years) and will therefore leave it alone with him (at least for now). That this is really between me and SW, that I'm not the jealous type, and that it was an opportunity for us to have some meaningful and deep conversations about ourselves, each other, and our future together. I also said that it's not something I would divorce her over (the sex part) but that efforts at secrecy and hiding her desires and actions are not acceptable to me over the long term, and that SW and I have come to an understanding on all of it.

- Skiing was much better than expected, especially yesterday. It was classic spring ski conditions; quite icy early but really nice from about 11:30 until 2:30 then a bit mushy (especially at lower elevations) after that. We skied all over the property including above the tree line and in the double black diamonds, etc. The jacuzzi at Ms. Cy's house on Wed night was key to our having a great ski day yesterday.

Heading home this morning and will be working at my desk by early afternoon.

SW has late 4:00 checkout at the resort property so I'll see her in the early evening. I'll then get to hear her update and what she has to say about whether or not Mr. B joined her girls' group (as she had mentioned was a possibility), etc.

[Freemans892]

I have say that Ms. Cy brought the topic of your marital status with the upmost respect to SW. I get the feeling that Ms. Cy will want to see more of you even it’s you playing the wingman role for her to find other men. SW and Ms. Cy are alike in that they like classy men with great taste and are picky in regards who they choose as potential men to date and would never be seen dead in a dive bar. In ways, I can see SW and Ms. Cy becoming friends.

[anonymister1948]

Subject: Mr. E two things

2) Last night while in the jacuzzi one of the girls brought out her pot and bong, and politely offered. We politely declined, but then she followed up with some THC gummies so Mr. E took half of one and I took a small bite of the corner of the remaining half. As we got relaxed and feeling groovy, somehow the subect of Mr. B and SW on that fateful night in September came up and began to be germane to our conversation. At this point it was just Mr.E and me in the jacuzzi having a private conversation. Given that Mr. E was around all this last summer and at all our social gatherings, and that he saw the body language of Mr. B and SW all these times, I decided it was okay ("JUST BETWEEN US GUYS") to ask his opinion on the shenanigans of that one night in late August when SW invited Mr. B over while I was out of town. After going through the blow by blow (pun intended) but really only halfway, he interrupted me and said "you know if she invited him in the manner she did, then it was a green light to him that she wanted to fuck him, and knowing him like I (Mr. E) do, he absolutely did fuck her." I asked him to reserve judgment until the entire story was complete, so he listened until the end. I said that there was the one uncertainty remaining that gives SW an out, which is her explanation that she asked Mr. B to sleep downstairs and sent him out of her (our) room shortly after they went in and shut off all the lights, etc. I explained that I've chosen to give SW the benefit of the doubt in light of our long relationship and the need for mutual trust, etc. That I was choosing to believe SW instead of believing my eyes, etc. Mr. E then said that Mr. B had made very overt passes at his (then) girlfriend, without regard for the fact that this girlfriend was at the time traveling as Mr. E's partner, etc. Mr. E said that Mr. B will fuck any woman, any time. That the only reason he would spend time with SW would be with the goal of "getting in." Either he got in with SW and SW later regretted it and has distanced herself, or he didn't fully get in with SW and gave up the chase, creating distance. He said I should not live in denial and should just accept the obvious, and choose to live with it.

Tonight SW is at the five-star resort hotel and out to dinner with the three girls, and perhaps Mr. B if she ultimately invited him. So I suppose that was on my mind (subconsciously) the past few days and it prompted my conversation with Mr. E about Mr. B and SW.

Jesus, this again. Denial just isn't a river in Egypt. Great marriages survive because both couples accept and communicate reality. Neither of you is doing that now and SW hasn't been doing it since at least when she was fucking MR B. last summer. I think you like the drama more than your marriage. At least it looks that way from across the internet.

Any interest you get from the other women can certainly be attributed to SWs known dalliances within the community. There were other women there that night who left BEFORE Mr. B. did. Don't you think they went home and thought, I wonder if SW fucked Mr. B again? Don't you think the friends of those friends heard about it?

"Psst, you won't believe this. But the other night SW had some girls over and also invited Mr. B! I don't know if her husband knew or not, but get this, he was still around when everyone left. I know, It's hard to believe but someone told me he didn't leave until the next morning."

Be real and ask yourself. Drop all other notions of whether she did or whether she didn't. You can be absolutely sure there are people within your circle of friends who know what she did and haven't said so for fear of spoiling your marriage. We hear from them every day in the Reddit Infidelity Sub, "I Think My Friend Is Cheating On Her Husband." Every single day.

Look, it's your life and I've tried to refrain from commenting but somewhere within this narrative is a reality both of you are ignoring. Your lives were changed on that night last August. And as much as it turns you on, even by Mr. B's presence, trust was broken. Way back at the beginning of your thread you acknowledged that. You can pretend nothing happened, or you can pretend something did but in the end, it's ALL pretending either way.

[Mr Mrs Cream]

Hello Creamers! Thanks for the question.

To me, the whole point is for her pleasure and satisfaction. I believe she prefers no condom in general when having PIV sex but of course there are the usual concerns that come with unprotected sex. As such, her two encounters with this element were a) with a man who she went with no condom after a some of months of communicating, and initially with condoms; and b) a man she has known for many years and trusts when he said he is safe.

I also know she prefers a man to come deep inside her, so that's also something I support when the circumstances permit condom-free sex.

Hello,
Thank you for the information.
Looks like she takes a pleasure form taking all from sex, including cumshot.

I see you have lots of friends and parties are happened.
Because my wife likes girls (she enjoys also weekends with younger women or couples) also how does it look in case of SW.
I know during parties when women are little bit drunk they are very open to each other like showing nudity etc.
Does your wife like such sytuations if any, or has she ever talked about her experiences with another woman or dreaming about it?

[slenderfish]

I have say that Ms. Cy brought the topic of your marital status with the upmost respect to SW. I get the feeling that Ms. Cy will want to see more of you even it’s you playing the wingman role for her to find other men. SW and Ms. Cy are alike in that they like classy men with great taste and are picky in regards who they choose as potential men to date and would never be seen dead in a dive bar. In ways, I can see SW and Ms. Cy becoming friends.

Interesting take. I'll give it some thought.

[slenderfish]

Jesus, this again. Denial just isn't a river in Egypt. Great marriages survive because both couples accept and communicate reality. Neither of you is doing that now and SW hasn't been doing it since at least when she was fucking MR B. last summer. I think you like the drama more than your marriage. At least it looks that way from across the internet.

This is a point that has me thinking deeply about how my relationship with SW originally came about and what kept me drawn to her, especially considering there were a few years in the interim when we stopped seeing each other. I'll probably get my thoughts properly organized on this subject over the next couple of days and will do a separate post on it. It's an intriguing consideration.

Any interest you get from the other women can certainly be attributed to SWs known dalliances within the community. There were other women there that night who left BEFORE Mr. B. did. Don't you think they went home and thought, I wonder if SW fucked Mr. B again? Don't you think the friends of those friends heard about it?

Not sure if I have received any interest from any women who have any connection with SW within the community. I'll pay more attention to this.

"Psst, you won't believe this. But the other night SW had some girls over and also invited Mr. B! I don't know if her husband knew or not, but get this, he was still around when everyone left. I know, It's hard to believe but someone told me he didn't leave until the next morning."

Excellent point. I have wondered from time to time what the three other women who were at the party that night were thinking to themselves, especially the one (Ms. T) who departed last, around 11:30 p.m., about an hour after the previous one. It just so happens that this Ms. T was with SW at the resort on Thursday night, and she is joining us for dinner tonight. I don't have a close enough relationship with Ms. T to bring up this subject, and if I did she would certainly observe girls' rules and cover for SW, and then tell her that I brought it up.

Be real and ask yourself. Drop all other notions of whether she did or whether she didn't. You can be absolutely sure there are people within your circle of friends who know what she did and haven't said so for fear of spoiling your marriage. We hear from them every day in the Reddit Infidelity Sub, "I Think My Friend Is Cheating On Her Husband." Every single day.

Yes, this is precisely the point of my posting above. I've been actively living in denial on this one thing since then, probably as a coping mechanism. But the conversation with Mr. E I suppose was my inner self wanting to overcome this denial and accept the reality, and it is finally time. The posting above was to express that I've now embraced that she did, indeed, fuck Mr. B and I'm going to proceed with that truth, and the lies that SW told at the time, and I suppose that continue to this day on that subject. More on this in the future, in my "intriguing" posting noted above.

Look, it's your life and I've tried to refrain from commenting but somewhere within this narrative is a reality both of you are ignoring. Your lives were changed on that night last August. And as much as it turns you on, even by Mr. B's presence, trust was broken. Way back at the beginning of your thread you acknowledged that. You can pretend nothing happened, or you can pretend something did but in the end, it's ALL pretending either way.

Straight dope. Thank you.

[afagehi7]

Fish - I think you need to accept something happened and she's not being straight with you. Something happened but maybe they didn't fuck. Perhaps they stopped just shy of fucking. You have to decide if she probably fucked him or just went to second or third base and stopped.

Regardless, it's not worth bringing it up. You're not the first guy in a position to know his wife cheated but can't prove it.

Do you think she went all the way? If he got her that far would she stop things?

I think eventually the truth will come out. It usually does

[slenderfish]

Fish - I think you need to accept something happened and she's not being straight with you. Something happened but maybe they didn't fuck. Perhaps they stopped just shy of fucking. You have to decide if she probably fucked him or just went to second or third base and stopped.

Regardless, it's not worth bringing it up. You're not the first guy in a position to know his wife cheated but can't prove it.

Do you think she went all the way? If he got her that far would she stop things?

I think eventually the truth will come out. It usually does

I can't know if she went all the way but that's really a bit of an aside. What do I think? Probably did. I'm now proceeding in my mind that she did.

Not gonna bring it up with her.

She called him last night, we were out at dinner at a local place with a third wheel Ms. T and after a couple glasses of red wine SW was really pushing her wingwoman efforts. She brought a single guy over to our dinner table (we had a fourth chair, empty) and then she befriended the table next door. She said she would set up one of the guys at that table with Ms. E and tried to call her at 12:15 a.m. but left two voicemails. She then said she would set up a tall blonde at that table with Mr. B and called him at 12:30 a.m. and of course he picked up (a call from SW at that time of night if you have any history probably merits picking up if your phone shows it's SW; it's either a booty call, a phone sex call, or an urgent matter).

Thanks.

[slenderfish]

Did you also tell him how she threw a temper tantrum when he fucked the girl at the party and how she becomes sickn when he’s coming around?

Would he be able to ask Mr B? Sound childish but I’m dying to know the truth. These cliffhangers are too much for me.

I used to be good at Math this all adds up to something. I just wish it added up to the truth.

Sorry I’m always rooting for you to get your happy ending of watching your wife fuck a hot young stud!!!

More conversations on this subject with Mr. E will answer your questions above. I'm not in a rush for these conversations but I'm sure they will happen.

[slenderfish]

An aside, how are the ski conditions? April can certainly be hit or miss with the quality of the snow.

Ski conditions were better than expected. A couple of inches of new snow fell the night we arrived, so the first day (of two days) was colder than typical spring skiing and had the new dusting. So was rewarding. The second day was classic spring conditions but again not yet that warm so the window for good skiing was from 11:00 a.m. to about 3:00 at the higher elevations. Was really nice.

I'm heading on my next (last for this season?) ski weekend this upcoming Fri-Mon, this time to Utah.

[slenderfish]

Hi Fish ...
I noticed SW's comments on her HW (fantasy) outing were meant to inflame your libido. But my question is, "In your opinion, is she buying into it for herself, or is this a diversion to keep you happy"?

I (after the fact) wrote down the sexy conversation from our encounter on Monday night. What are your impressions as to how this informs your question above?

SW: mmmmhm

SW: ooh baby come

SW: mmmhm

SW: big in my pussy

SW: you feel so good

SW: you gonna come on top of my boyfriend's cum?

SF: that where you were out tonight? With your pussy?

SW: yes so good

SW: mmhmm

SW: that's why I had to come home and shower right away

SW: mmm

SW: mm

SW: come in it, for you slip it in, and take me back

SW: reclaim me before you go on your trip

SW: I'm gonna go see him again he's gonna fuck me really hard

SW: mm

SF: you gonna give him whatever he wants?

SW: mm hmm

SW: mm

SW: he's gonna fuck me so good

SW: while you're gone

SW: thinking about your hotwife with another man

SW: mmmm

SW: hmmmm

SW: mmm

SW: giving him blowjobs

SF: to your boyfriend

SW: mm hmm

SW: mm hmmm

SW: tell me what you want

SW: mm hmm

SW: his big cock inside me

SW: yeah

SW: cause he's so big and hard and wide

SW: ooh he hits every spot and my g spot

SW: ooh

SW: makes me cum when he's inside of me

SW: mmm he's so good

SW: you feel it?

SW: yeah I love it

SW: being a hotwife

SW: you have a big cum for me

SW: come on my boyfriend's hot cum

SW: inside me

SF: ooh oh ooh oh

[afagehi7]

Fish - I don't know what to make of it but fuxk that's hot! Even hotter that it gets her hot to talk about. I wish my wife would talk like that. I'd certainly fuck her more... Much more.

She definitely thinks it's hot. She's too on the mark. If it was just for you I think she'd be talking much differently

Edit: dayum... She knows how to say the right things. So fucking hot!!!

[aztd]

Have read this thread in awhile, sounds like she is getting to a little slut

[BallSpanking]

Well ... She certainly knows where the buttons are.

[solstice]

SW: mm hmmm.

Sparkling conversation from SW

[Mr Mrs Cream]

When you are together does she provide you more details, or just generic?
Does she let her bull takes pictures?