I need to write and hopefully get people to respond. Long Sorry.

[conflictedhubby]

Hi New Old,
I have watched and read Sadie's comments and, maybe it's just me, but, she has not really answered some of my basic concerns through her responses. She seems abundantly confident in her experience and advice, but, I can't shake the feeling that we are feeding into what Carrie wants and she is looking for encouragement. If you consider the title of this feed, 'I need to write and hopefully get people to respond. Long Sorry.' I think it's clear she has wanted feedback and guidance all along. Hasn't she asked, 'am I crazy?' more than once? Ah well, I guess I am in the minority, but, thanks for your reasonable response.
Thisgirl

Thanks (I think) for addressing me specifically (if indirectly).

I'm not spending time here to provide you with individualized instruction in the ins and outs of leathersex. I've been involved in same for 23 years now, I suggest if you want to know, go and research, there's more than adequate resources. My personal preference is "Flogging" by Joseph W Bean.

Read 'Flogging' early last year based on Sadie's recommendation, was definitely worth the read (although maybe skip the part on tool maintenance unless you already have some ) I had a lot of questions about BDSM and while I am a fan of how Carrie's fear and lust mix I am not turned on by BDSM itself which this book helped me realize (mostly sadie's advice but the book definitely helped).

[sadie]

It is not easy to know how many deaths are caused by sex games strangling gone wrong, It is a growing practice and it is estimated that in the US there is as many as ten deaths a week, If you Google there is a Guardian article about a case in Britain that the guy got 17 years in prison, and there is a link to a petition warning of the practice.
You would think this Forum would discourage those "games"

This has been discussed in this thread already, you're conflating a few things: a. "autoerotic asphyxia" which is when an someone, acting alone either strangles themselves or restricts breathing and gone wrong, the estimates are between 250-1000 deaths per year, b. strangulation isn't the same as restricting breathing, which is what Anthony does with Carrie. The obvious difference is that when there is a partner, if something goes wrong, they're there to fix it. Not the least of the reasons it's thought that autoerotic asphyxia is underreported is that the individual is found by family, obviously doing something sexual and they don't want it know what happened.

All forms of breath play / strangulation are controversial within the BDSM arena, the reasons for this are in part that very few people do it and not everyone understands how to do it safely or what the risks are. Bear in mind that in most BDSM practices, the objective risk is really low. The main exception to that is bondage, I've seen some moderately scary near-misses (nothing life threatening, but potential for minor injury) from people not being well grounded in how to do that right. Unfortunately to most people bondage looks low risk. I have seen a lot of writers on this site pose bondage scenarios that were patently unsafe.

I don't in fact do breath play or strangulation, because it wasn't all that interesting to me. I had been reasonably informed because I've known people who do and when Carrie expressed interest, I went to check in with them on the subject. I think Carrie is safe with Anthony.

[samlowen]

I feel that with the path Carrie has been on, even if everyone here told her it was a stupid and unsafe idea, she would have done it anyway. She's caught up in fulfilling her deepest and darkest desires and has the opportunity. Not many people ever get that chance and she's going for it. There is risk in everything we do, many here informed her of such risks, and she made her decision.

[conflictedhubby]

Anytime someone sets themselves up as an expert and shouts down anyone that questions their ‘expertise’, especially in matters that seem rather unscientific, it makes me wonder, are there more people that think as I do that just walked away from this thread without saying anything? Carrie has complained from a lack of response and as far as I can tell those contributors that seem most active are also those that seem to be getting defensive. I’ve asked the questions I thought were reasonable to ask. I was not and am not interested in bdsm, I’m interested in sleeping well at night with a clear conscience. If Carrie is listening at all to this forum I wanted her to know there were some that cared more about her safety and well being than hearing the increasingly sordid tale of risk taking to the extreme. I won’t bother you anymore and you can now pat yourselves and each other on the back, having rid yourselves of someone that asked too many uncomfortable questions.

Just to point out a few details, if you subscribe to the fact that it takes on average 10,000 hours to be considered an expert in a given field (using it as a baseline, different professions have different time requirements but I would consider BDSM similar to a sport which requires 9,600 hours to become an expert so I am just rounding it out to 10,000) and sadie has been practicing BDSM for 23 years then I feel its safe to assume she has the requisite 10,000 hours logged to be considered an expert in this field. If your going to disregard her input as uninformed, well questioning someone who has put in the time you haven't is equivalent to using google for a medical diagnoses rather than a doctors. If you put in the same amount of time as she has into BDSM and determined it wasn't safe, more people would be open to your thoughts and opinions on this subject.

Also, I hate being referred to as a cheerleader (not to say that's the word you use, but it seems implied in your posts) as its a passive aggressive way of implying I'm sitting on the sidelines yelling at her to push herself more and more which isn't the case. You don't see other interactions people have, for instance over PM's with Carrie I tried to show her my appreciation for the time she puts in to her posts by trying something new and telling her about it. It didn't take long for me to second guess this new approach before she could respond and apologized to her thinking I overstepped my bounds. When she finally did have time to respond she said she loved what I sent her which was gratifying to say the least. In the past she's also encouraged me over PM's to explore my own interests which led to the research in BDSM I mentioned earlier. We want to show her how much we do care for her posts, but just because that's all you see doesn't mean that's all there is.

I also feel you should examine the passive aggressive tones of your posts as well. If you find people are getting defensive its usually because they feel that someone is attacking them or their feelings. Your last post alone conjures images of us as bullies, congratulating each other for chasing an innocent person away which is a far cry from the truth. If people are getting defensive, its because you gave them cause to be in the tone of your posts. The tone I come away with from every post you made on this thread so far is 'Righteousness', in that it feels like you convey that your opinion should be heeded above all others. I understand that you want Carrie to know someone out there wants her to reconsider what shes doing and to be safe, but I believe it was overshadowed. The righteousness you display is what people come away with, not the message.

I hope this is treated more as an explanation, not an attack. If you don't come back to this thread as you mentioned previously I understand and applaud your conviction.

[afagehi7]

It is not easy to know how many deaths are caused by sex games strangling gone wrong, It is a growing practice and it is estimated that in the US there is as many as ten deaths a week, If you Google there is a Guardian article about a case in Britain that the guy got 17 years in prison, and there is a link to a petition warning of the practice.
You would think this Forum would discourage those "games"

This has been discussed in this thread already, you're conflating a few things: a. "autoerotic asphyxia" which is when an someone, acting alone either strangles themselves or restricts breathing and gone wrong, the estimates are between 250-1000 deaths per year, b. strangulation isn't the same as restricting breathing, which is what Anthony does with Carrie. The obvious difference is that when there is a partner, if something goes wrong, they're there to fix it. Not the least of the reasons it's thought that autoerotic asphyxia is underreported is that the individual is found by family, obviously doing something sexual and they don't want it know what happened.

All

Thisgirlwonders,

With the breath play, Anthony is trained in CPR so if something were to happen he knows how to bring her back. Sadie is right in that what you read about are people doing it to themselves and therefore when it goes too far there is no one to give them a few "rescue breaths" to restart the breathing.

If Carrie is listening at all to this forum I wanted her to know there were some that cared more about her safety and well being than hearing the increasingly sordid tale of risk taking to the extreme. I won’t bother you anymore and you can now pat yourselves and each other on the back, having rid yourselves of someone that asked too many uncomfortable questions.

Like someone else said, Carrie was going to do what she she was/is going to do. The best anyone can do is help her do it safely. You don't have to split. Before you split see what Carrie's response to you is.

[sadie]

With the breath play, Anthony is trained in CPR so if something were to happen he knows how to bring her back. Sadie is right in that what you read about are people doing it to themselves and therefore when it goes too far there is no one to give them a few "rescue breaths" to restart the breathing.

Emphatically no, if it gets to the point of cardiac arrest death is the likely outcome.

Aside from professional work, my formal medical training has been in back country first aid. CPR was an optional certification that I did get, however the use of CPR alone only rarely saves lives. It's main purpose today is to keep blood flowing to the brain until an AED can be applied. 90% of people who suffer cardiac arrest don't survive and while CPR+AED improve odds by a factor of 2-3, that's still pretty bad odds. In the training it was emphasized that if someone goes into arrest during mountaineering etc, their chances of survival are very low.

To do breath "play", one learns how to avoid that in the first place and Carrie's description makes it clear that Anthony is doing that. If she had only said "he promises he knows what he's doing, I'd be worried.

[willingtoo]

Good Morning,

I have read everything that has been written. Much of it twice.

I totally understand the concerns some of you have for my safety and it truly warms my heart. I know many of you sincerely care about me. I've listened to and read every post that both condones Breath Play and all of those with serious questions. But I make my own decisions regardless of either point of view.

I know Anthony still cares for me but he's trying so hard to hide his true feelings. Mike and I have known Anthony now for quite awhile. There are things about people you can only truly understand by being in their presence. I have spent a lot of time with Anthony, especially on the trip the Palm Springs.

I think when I called him about the Pot, he was surprised and saw an opportunity to continue having me. He knew the only way to keep me was to be a "Different" Anthony. He knows my fantasies and exactly what turns me on. He knew he had a second chance with me. I was giving him a chance without saying so. He knew he still turned me on, but I wanted Sex from a more dangerous, aggressive less caring man.

He does little things that show at least some consideration like keeping his full weight off me, and when he throws me around so I'm in the right position. His kisses reveal his passion for me. He is pretty good at disguising his true feelings, but like most women, I notice the little things.

He flipped on the switch and became the man he knew I wanted to take me. He was unleashing his Darker side. It was his only chance.

Mike had a long talk with Anthony about Breath Play. Anthony told Mike things that reassured him even more. Things he is not telling me because it would ruin some of the fear. I don't want to know. I want to think that it could be life threatening. I want that uncertainty not knowing when it's coming or how long he hold my breathing.

I Love the things Anthony is planning and has planned for me. He's putting a lot of effort into it. This isn't
a man that doesn't care, at least for my safety.

He Lusts for my Feet and that put's him over the top. Like a girl with New Boobs, I'm in love with my sexy feet and want a man that appreciates them.

In summary, I want to continue to trust Anthony and be thrilled when I'm with him. I honestly appreciate the concern, but Mike and I both want to continue.

I do get off knowing that my writing turns you on so much. I do want that feedback but I understand. I will continue to report in, but have decided it's not worth it for me to write with such detail. No hard feelings at all. I am not angry with any of you, even my critics. I value honest opinions.

Saturday night was really exciting and involved Zach and one other man, and of course Anthony. There was no breath play, but it was far from run of the mill sex. Anthony knows what I want and he delivers.

(Is three guys in one night A Gang Bang?)

Mike still wants me to make our air conditioner checked. I called and scheduled the same guy for Friday Afternoon. Can't wait to see how he plays it this time. Will he just "TAKE" me, or make me plead. Pleading is not my style, but in his case.....I'll plead if necessary.

Carrie

[aguy4pleasure]

How close can a moth fly to the flame before it gets singed, burnt, or consumed?

Last night I was watching an episode of "America's Got Talent: World Championship" series. There was this act featuring a couple doing acrobatics on a trapeze. Their act is truly spell binding, particularly since the guy dropped the girl once already on a previous show. To add to the suspense, the couple each put on blindfolds and performed their most frightening stunts. My wife and I were both scared beyond measure as we watched. We couldn't pull ourselves away. By the reaction of the crowd, we weren't alone.

I mention this act as they seem a lot like Mike and Carrie. They both are engaged in seeing how close to the flame they can fly without getting hurt. And, like the AGT act, they scare all of us like crazy.

Like many here, I've voice my own fears for Carrie and Mike. I've also cheered them on. Yes, they are taking huge risks, and, yes, they are reaping (at least from all I can see) huge gains.

Do they scare me sometimes beyond my own comfort levels? Definitely!

Do I wish they would stop? Selfishly, no. I have to admit I like the rush. But, then again, I'm not going to dangle upside down from a trapeze with or without a blindfold doing wild and crazy stunts with my wife either.

So, my words to Mike and Carrie are these. I love your courage and your daring. I love the way you fight for yourselves and your relationships in all of this. I have to trust your judgement as you trust yourselves and one another. You sometimes scare the "sh*t" out of me, yet, your daring leaves me admiring you more. When I was a teen growing up, my mother used to share these words with me as I was leaving the house: "I won't tell you to have a good time, you will. I won't tell you to be safe, you won't. I will ask you to be careful." Carrie and Mike, I value the care you demonstrate for yourselves and one another as you take your risks. And, yes, please continue to be careful.

To the rest of us watching and commenting, I am glad we all care enough about these two to raise our voices in concern. If nothing else, it gives opportunity for us to verbalize our lust and fear. However, as I would encourage Mike and Carrie, be careful of where your emotions take you. Our lust and fears can as easily take us places that can distract us and them. How we voice them is as important as the suggestions we give. I have to manage mine as carefully as I would encourage others to mange theirs. And, at the end of all of it, I'm clear if the tension gets too high, I can always change the channel.

Mike and Carrie, as always, I wish you the best.

aguy4pleasure

[conflictedhubby]

Saturday sounds like it was amazing Carrie, I'll use my own imagination to fill in the blanks

I'm not entirely convinced HVAC guy will make you plead, I feel like last time he made you specifically say you wanted it in order to cover his ass in case you turned out to be someone who would accuse him of rape after because of regret. If he does make you plead, then embrace it like a young girl asking someone in authority...might turn you on a bit more

[lkh96]

Dear carrie, is there a possibility that your feelings for anthony might turn to something more than what it is already ? Have you and mike discuss on the emotional aspects of being so close to a man that cares and loves you ? Not to be a bed wetter, but curious on how you and mike handle a relationship such as this that has clearly evolved beyond a fuck buddy.

[willingtoo]

Now Sadie, I have to applaud your post. I debated making this comment as I am trying to back out of this thread, but, you are exactly right about CPR and its limitations. Thanks for setting the record straight. This is why Anthony's CPR training gives me very little reassurance. It's a dangerous game and although some may choose to play it responsibly, it still seems like a tough and very risky way to get your kicks.

I'm sorry that you are "Trying to back out of this thread." I am not the least bit upset with anything you said. Your concerns are more than valid. I'm touched that you care enough to worry and be honest.

All I can say to reassure you is that neither of us are worried. We are both Risk Takers. I always have been and so has Mike. It's just the way we are. As someone here said, we are like Moths drawn to a flame. I like not being 100% sure. For me it's the most exciting part of sex with Anthony.

I know this adventure, at times is hard to believe. Mike and I have marveled at the things that have happened. If I hadn't modeled at the Foot Night Party, none of the extraordinary events would have happened. Before Aaron it was pretty much a typical HW situation. We both think this adventure has been, by far the most exciting event in our lives.

I know some doubt the authenticity of this story. There is nothing I can do to convince you otherwise and I won't try. Every event, no matter how reckless and unbelievable they seem, I have portrayed with as much accuracy as I can.

This is the last time I will defend the truthfulness of this adventure.

I'm sure sadie can verify the existance of loosely organized groups of men/women that cooperate with each other to satisfy the various Kinks that people have. We just ran into one of these groups accidently at the Foot Night event. Their wealth gives them tremendous flexibility and opportunities to be creative and get what they want.

Average people don't have the financial resources to make their Fantasies come alive. It only makes sense that there are organizations like Anthony and his friends have in today's world. We just lucked into our situation.

Networking is so easy now and these men have built those contacts over the course of many years. I bet there are groups devoted to just about any Kink you can think of. But money is an absolute necessity to create the kind of experiences that Aaron, Anthony and Zack are able to create.

Next time with Anthony isn't until next Sunday. Time etc. not determined yet.

Carrie

[willingtoo]

Dear carrie, is there a possibility that your feelings for anthony might turn to something more than what it is already ? Have you and mike discuss on the emotional aspects of being so close to a man that cares and loves you ? Not to be a bed wetter, but curious on how you and mike handle a relationship such as this that has clearly evolved beyond a fuck buddy.

We have discussed this possibility many times privately and here in the thread. I like Anthony a lot but I will never love him or want to be with him in a true relationship. He knows that won't change. He's just the most sexually attractive man I have ever met. Mike knows this and understands but so isn't worried.

I'd say there is one chance in 1,000,000. As Jim Carrie once said, "So I'm telling you there is a chance."

Carrie

[willingtoo]

Now Sadie, I have to applaud your post. I debated making this comment as I am trying to back out of this thread, but, you are exactly right about CPR and its limitations. Thanks for setting the record straight. This is why Anthony's CPR training gives me very little reassurance. It's a dangerous game and although some may choose to play it responsibly, it still seems like a tough and very risky way to get your kicks.
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[conflictedhubby]

An attractive petite woman with a foot fetish coming to the attention of wealthy horny men??? Inconceivable!

[sadie]

Thisgirlwonders,
Most BDSM players believe in SSC (safe, sane, consensual) play and, if they don’t, you should avoid them like the plague.
New Old Cuck

BTW, SSC is not the only theory that people use for BDSM, I do not subscribe to SSC, mostly because some of it's adherents presume they can judge what is sane and what isn't so in practice SSC is often applied using the 'rules' to tell others not to do kinks they find distasteful.

An important concept is that in the way I prefer to practice BDSM, the entire purpose is to put the bottom in a place that's not conducive to rational thought. At that point the bottom partner's safety (emotional as well as physical) resides pretty entirely with the top. When you engage that way, safewords are irrelevant.

[willingtoo]

Sadie,

This is the way I see myself with Anthony. As a Bottom and him as the Top. I like the role because it does relieve me from making decisions and Rational thinking. I don't know if what goes on between Me and Anthony is BDSM or what! He doesn't operate with a certain set of rules and protocol and I like that.

An important concept is that in the way I prefer to practice BDSM, the entire purpose is to put the bottom in a place that's not conducive to rational thought. At that point the bottom partner's safety (emotional as well as physical) resides pretty entirely with the top. When you engage that way, safewords are irrelevant.

I want to be a Bottom and relinquish control. He's still scary enough to be exciting and I want it that way because basically I trust him and so does Mike. Being controlled and sexually used is 90% of the turn on for me. I have always known I am on the submissive side, but now I know the deepest parts of my sexuality and I'm much more submissive than I ever realized.

I know it's hard to believe, but when I give men pleasure it really turns me on. Especially these men (Foot Lovers) because I know I am giving them pleasure that they can't get from anyone else. I'm not saying I am perfect, but they tell me I'm exactly what they want. A small, pretty submissive with sexy feet!

Carrie

[Jcksatter]

Would a foot night in California, close to to Mike, be fun trip with Anthony?

[samlowen]

Would a foot night in California, close to to Mike, be fun trip with Anthony?

I really like this idea for all three of them. Maybe as an extension of the annual Palm Springs trip?

[willingtoo]

Sam and Jck,

Maybe we could pick out a date!!!

https://
www.footnight.com/the-team/

https://
www.miamifootnight.com/

Don't let the pictures fool you. There are a lot of "Foot Models" like me that won't sign papers that allow their picture to be used for Promotional purposes. Much prettier than the ones shown. In fact I'd say these girls would be at the Low end on the attractiveness scale.

There are some very attractive girls. Aaron and Anthony wouldn't go for any of those pictured.

Carrie

[sadie]

Oh and Carrie, I forgot to respond on the GB question.

All that really matters is you had fun and the right mix of partners matters a lot more than the number ;-)

To my mind, up to 5-6 participants (4-5 + the object of their affections) .. I call that group sex. once you get to / past 6 thrusting, I call that a GB.

[willingtoo]

New York City Foot Party. Anthony and Aaron said New York is the "Mecca" of Foot Parties. There again, guys with money can get their "Foot Kink" met in a lot of locations. Private groups as well like Anthony's Guys. It's bigger than I would have ever thought.

http://www.fetishfantasyparty.com/

https://www.footfetishnyc.com/home

http://www.footpadnyc.com/parties

So many more all around the World.

Plus there are a ton of "Invitation Only" Parties all over South Florida and elsewhere.

Carrie

[Holycow]

I have a serious question: Are there any limits to BDSM? If a person gives consent to trust someone that is not worthy of trust there is nothing preventing a tragedy, right? Am I mistaken, or have there not been instances where people have died from this sort of play? Is it ever right to caution someone that their 'play' may have serious consequences, or are the only welcome comments masturbatory, breathless praise? I know some of you have cheered Carrie on to explore to her hearts content, but, what if something terrible happens? We don't really know Carrie. She herself has questioned her sanity and safety. To reach the feeling of heightened danger that seems so exciting to Carrie, won't she, as she seems to have, want more and more risky situations to explore? The only expressions of concern for Carrie are immediately waved away either by people that claim to 'know more', or by Carrie herself saying she's ok, or feeling better. It seems to me that Carrie is being encouraged by people that are 'getting off' on her adventures, without really considering the person Carrie and the real life that lives beyond this story. It's easy to get turned on and forget about the fact that Carrie is feeding off the responses she gets from us. At what point is caution rather than enthusiasm, the best approach to a thread like this?

I don’t think Thisgirlwonders is being listened to closely enough. I respect what Sadie has said but she doesn’t know anymore about Anthony than any of the rest of us do. The only people who actually know Anthony are Mike and Carrie. I will have to trust their judgement as it is the best and most informed. But the cautions to them are appropriate. I have my concerns that they are letting the eroticism override common sense. I don’t really know but that worries me a little.

What do we know about Anthony? Only what Carrie has told us. What has she told us?

She has told us that Anthony has a record for violence. She has told us that Anthony has stated he wants to hurt her and can barely restrain himself for doing so. She has told us that Anthony likes to choke her and has admitted to wanting to go further.

She has told us that Anthony put her in a very unsafe and uncontrolled situation. Taking her to the middle of the Everglades late at night and leaving her alone was dangerous and stupid. There are all sorts of dangerous creatures out there. You don’t go to the Everglades without being armed. She could have easily been bitten by a poisonous snake without ever seeing it. She could have come across an alligator. She could have been attacked by a wild cat. All sorts of things. It would have been completely different if Anthony had actual control of the situation but according to Carrie he didn’t. She heard him drive off and leave her for a long time. If anthony had someone stationed that Carrie didn’t know about that could have protected her in some horrible event it would have been fine but according to what we have been told he didn’t.

I understand that Carrie wants to feel the fear. It is Anthony’s job to do that but still make sure she is 100% safe. That is the responsibility of the dom. He didnt do that. He left her defenseless and alone. That is irresponsible and in my book says he can’t be trusted.

So based upon the facts that Carrie has given us how can any of us say we trust Anthony. The facts say he cannot. And the game they are playing is so close to the edge there isn’t much room for error. That is what worries me.

I don’t want to tell Carrie to not go through with this. I just want her to be aware and think fully with a clear head and make decisions based upon rational thought and not one clouded by eroticism. I will trust her when she says she is not letting the eroticism get in the way. I am not telling her to not trust Anthony. She knows more about him than any of us here do. But based upon facts presented none of the rest of us should trust him.

I haven’t commented on this thread in the past even though I have been watching it from the beginning. I believe there are far too many cheerleaders on this site and not enough people asking good questions like Thisgirlwonders did. This doesn’t make anything Carrie and Mike have done wrong. It just provokes thought.

Carrie, ultimately only you and Mike can make the decisions about what you want and how to get that. I just hope you will do so cautiously especially as close to the edge you are playing.

Best of luck to you and I hope you get all your wishes, fantasies and desires met.

[conflictedhubby]

I have a serious question: Are there any limits to BDSM? If a person gives consent to trust someone that is not worthy of trust there is nothing preventing a tragedy, right? Am I mistaken, or have there not been instances where people have died from this sort of play? Is it ever right to caution someone that their 'play' may have serious consequences, or are the only welcome comments masturbatory, breathless praise? I know some of you have cheered Carrie on to explore to her hearts content, but, what if something terrible happens? We don't really know Carrie. She herself has questioned her sanity and safety. To reach the feeling of heightened danger that seems so exciting to Carrie, won't she, as she seems to have, want more and more risky situations to explore? The only expressions of concern for Carrie are immediately waved away either by people that claim to 'know more', or by Carrie herself saying she's ok, or feeling better. It seems to me that Carrie is being encouraged by people that are 'getting off' on her adventures, without really considering the person Carrie and the real life that lives beyond this story. It's easy to get turned on and forget about the fact that Carrie is feeding off the responses she gets from us. At what point is caution rather than enthusiasm, the best approach to a thread like this?

I don’t think Thisgirlwonders is being listened to closely enough. I respect what Sadie has said but she doesn’t know anymore about Anthony than any of the rest of us do. The only people who actually know Anthony are Mike and Carrie. I will have to trust their judgement as it is the best and most informed. But the cautions to them are appropriate. I have my concerns that they are letting the eroticism override common sense. I don’t really know but that worries me a little.

What do we know about Anthony? Only what Carrie has told us. What has she told us?

She has told us that Anthony has a record for violence. She has told us that Anthony has stated he wants to hurt her and can barely restrain himself for doing so. She has told us that Anthony likes to choke her and has admitted to wanting to go further.

She has told us that Anthony put her in a very unsafe and uncontrolled situation. Taking her to the middle of the Everglades late at night and leaving her alone was dangerous and stupid. There are all sorts of dangerous creatures out there. You don’t go to the Everglades without being armed. She could have easily been bitten by a poisonous snake without ever seeing it. She could have come across an alligator. She could have been attacked by a wild cat. All sorts of things. It would have been completely different if Anthony had actual control of the situation but according to Carrie he didn’t. She heard him drive off and leave her for a long time. If anthony had someone stationed that Carrie didn’t know about that could have protected her in some horrible event it would have been fine but according to what we have been told he didn’t.

I understand that Carrie wants to feel the fear. It is Anthony’s job to do that but still make sure she is 100% safe. That is the responsibility of the dom. He didnt do that. He left her defenseless and alone. That is irresponsible and in my book says he can’t be trusted.

So based upon the facts that Carrie has given us how can any of us say we trust Anthony. The facts say he cannot. And the game they are playing is so close to the edge there isn’t much room for error. That is what worries me.

I don’t want to tell Carrie to not go through with this. I just want her to be aware and think fully with a clear head and make decisions based upon rational thought and not one clouded by eroticism. I will trust her when she says she is not letting the eroticism get in the way. I am not telling her to not trust Anthony. She knows more about him than any of us here do. But based upon facts presented none of the rest of us should trust him.

I haven’t commented on this thread in the past even though I have been watching it from the beginning. I believe there are far too many cheerleaders on this site and not enough people asking good questions like Thisgirlwonders did. This doesn’t make anything Carrie and Mike have done wrong. It just provokes thought.

Carrie, ultimately only you and Mike can make the decisions about what you want and how to get that. I just hope you will do so cautiously especially as close to the edge you are playing.

Best of luck to you and I hope you get all your wishes, fantasies and desires met.

Like I mentioned previously, thisgirlwonders message may have been overshadowed by her tone. Concern over Carrie is laudible, but peoples responses when they feel attacked are going to come across as hostile no matter what the original message was.

If you generalize all of Carries supporters as nothing more than the denigration of 'cheerleaders' then your going to get the same kind of response. It's passive aggressive, dismissive of the support and feedback Carrie has repeatedly requested, and belittling. That could just be me however, others may not mind the connotation but I find it irritating at best.

As for Anthony and if any of us can trust him, of course not. We don't know him, and he doesn't even know we exist as our only exposure to him is through Carries filter which in turn is also filtered by Anthony by making sure he tells her what he thinks she wants to hear. She tells us what she wants us to know about him. She wants us to see him as sexy as well as scary, dangerous, and unpredictable because that is exactly what she wants to see in him herself. From what we do know about him, he does not sound stupid. A stupid man would fail to recognize the dangers of wildlife in Florida and not account for it in his selection of a location, and given the care to which Anthony recreated the sensation of Carries college walk he doesn't sound like a stupid man. Carrie and Mike trust him (which they have stated multiple times that they do) then with out any other point of reference for us as our only knowledge of him comes from them...and an admittedly very filtered point of reference...the only question is whether or not you think their judgment of his character is flawed. Obviously you do, but of course we 'cheerleaders', as you so eloquently put it, don't. And yes that was passive aggressive. I did that specifically to prove a point as to how the tone can overshadow the message.

[Holycow]

Conflictedhubby,

I am sorry if I wasn’t clear in my message. I wasn’t saying that everyone or anyone on this THREAD was cheerleading. That’s is not what I was trying to say. I was trying to say that this SITE in general has many cheerleaders and we need more people like Thisgirlwonders who is asking good intelligent questions for consideration. Everyone was jumping all over her calling her out for what she said. I believe she just asked some good hard questions for consideration.

Again, I am sorry if my message was construed to be pointing fingers at anyone on this thread. That was not my intent nor what I was doing.

[conflictedhubby]

Completely understand Holycow, and yes I did understand your message the first time Like I said, I made it passive aggressive as an example as to why other posters previous responses were defensive to thisgirlwonders posts. I did focus on Anthony and trust in my post, but your response was mainly towards my reaction to using the word cheerleaders even though it was a minor part of my reply. I just wanted to show an example as to why it seemed people were jumping on her for her posts, and it wasn't for the message she was trying to convey but rather them feeling defensive as to the tone used.