Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

[slenderfish]

Just a quick note and status report. We arrived back in the USA last night from the trip. I am very backed up on work stuff and will take a few days to get through it, to get back to a normal pace.

[afagehi7]

Yeah, and didn't you see a text from him? So shouldn't his contact info be in her phone. Not that I'm suggesting you look at her phone. I'm not. Just that she could check contact info to remember.

Based on her retelling of it, I believe he kissed her or at least tried to kiss her, and when she backed away, she lost balance and exacerbated her sore knee. Or the kissed and he tried to take it further (or to take her further) but she got spooked, hurt knee, etc.

I do know that she pretended to me (and the others) that it was no big deal and that she could merely walk it off, and we left the place.

But once down a flight of stairs, she really needed to lean on the railings and, once outside of the club, actually needed to be carried to the car.

While I doubt it I think it would have been hot if she irritated her knee from being on her knees sucking his D. Doubt it 99.999% but it's a hot idea.

[slenderfish]

Yeah, and didn't you see a text from him? So shouldn't his contact info be in her phone. Not that I'm suggesting you look at her phone. I'm not. Just that she could check contact info to remember.

Based on her retelling of it, I believe he kissed her or at least tried to kiss her, and when she backed away, she lost balance and exacerbated her sore knee. Or the kissed and he tried to take it further (or to take her further) but she got spooked, hurt knee, etc.

I do know that she pretended to me (and the others) that it was no big deal and that she could merely walk it off, and we left the place.

But once down a flight of stairs, she really needed to lean on the railings and, once outside of the club, actually needed to be carried to the car.

While I doubt it I think it would have been hot if she irritated her knee from being on her knees sucking his D. Doubt it 99.999% but it's a hot idea.

I sometimes envision that they kissed but then he pushed her head down to his cock and she gagged and fell backwards and tweaked her knee.

[afagehi7]

Yeah, and didn't you see a text from him? So shouldn't his contact info be in her phone. Not that I'm suggesting you look at her phone. I'm not. Just that she could check contact info to remember.

Based on her retelling of it, I believe he kissed her or at least tried to kiss her, and when she backed away, she lost balance and exacerbated her sore knee. Or the kissed and he tried to take it further (or to take her further) but she got spooked, hurt knee, etc.

I do know that she pretended to me (and the others) that it was no big deal and that she could merely walk it off, and we left the place.

But once down a flight of stairs, she really needed to lean on the railings and, once outside of the club, actually needed to be carried to the car.

While I doubt it I think it would have been hot if she irritated her knee from being on her knees sucking his D. Doubt it 99.999% but it's a hot idea.

I sometimes envision that they kissed but then he pushed her head down to his cock and she gagged and fell backwards and tweaked her knee.

That would have been a very bold and assholish move. I can't see any guy doing something like that unless the woman was sending serious vibes she was into it.

[slenderfish]

Based on her retelling of it, I believe he kissed her or at least tried to kiss her, and when she backed away, she lost balance and exacerbated her sore knee. Or the kissed and he tried to take it further (or to take her further) but she got spooked, hurt knee, etc.

I do know that she pretended to me (and the others) that it was no big deal and that she could merely walk it off, and we left the place.

But once down a flight of stairs, she really needed to lean on the railings and, once outside of the club, actually needed to be carried to the car.

While I doubt it I think it would have been hot if she irritated her knee from being on her knees sucking his D. Doubt it 99.999% but it's a hot idea.

I sometimes envision that they kissed but then he pushed her head down to his cock and she gagged and fell backwards and tweaked her knee.

That would have been a very bold and assholish move. I can't see any guy doing something like that unless the woman was sending serious vibes she was into it.

We have a friend, in this very story, who apparently does this. Mr. Italian. During his first separation from his wife (since then separated a second time and now almost finished with the divorce) he attended our parties (summer of 2020) and met Ms. K (of pantygate fame). He was smitten with her and they dated, then he and his wife decided to attempt to reconcile and he moved back home. Ms. K was displeased with this turn of events and complained vociferously about him and anything and everything to her then-bestie girlfriend Ms. M. She said he was a serious down-pusher of head for blowjobs, so much that she developed a muscular/skeletal condition that needed to be treated by a chiropractor and massage therapist.

I wouldn't put it past Mr. Croatian. He was a big sloppy thug who ran with a second guy, and this second guy was to assist in procuring women, getting them into strip clubs, and to carry the heat (a concealed handgun). Right out of Barry the series on HBO Max.

[slenderfish]

We are still adjusting to the time zone change, to some degree. Yesterday afternoon we met up with Ms. J (from dancing on the bar with SW at my bday) at a wine tasting party hosted by a group of wineries at a local hotel, and had some glasses and also some nice seafood, cheeses, and dessert bar. The event is normally very well attended but apparently people are still hesitant to attend for health reasons, so it was kind of a dud.

SW and Ms. J were dressed to kill. And I was smartly dressed, keeping with their level. Many people at the event complimented SW on her outfit, and I got some compliments from several gay men and one or two women.

The three of us got out of there and went to a very newly-opened upscale restaurant. Everyone warned us we'd never get in without a reservation or connection. I dropped the girls and then parked the car, letting them start their magic. When I returned just a few minutes later, they were holding court with a group of men and asking about the place.

We ended up getting good seats at the lounge, with good viewing of all who came into the place, etc. The men went on their way. The manager agreed to serve us drinks and food items in the lounge. I got a martini and we ordered a bottle of Italian wine for the table (Barolo). Also some food, and then I started getting tired, and the girls were doing their girl talk.

SW asked me if I was getting bored, and if I perhaps wanted to get going? I was sending that vibe and was glad when she picked up on it. So I took the car, and the girls agreed to take Uber.

They arrived home a couple of hours later, SW having played wing woman for Ms. J, and brought a bunch of dessert items. Apparently, they had made friends with the three owners/investors of the restaurant and got invited to the private grand opening dinner/party next week, on top of the phone numbers exchanged. They were smiling like greedy kids who had robbed the candy store. I was presented with the desserts as my share of the spoils!

[rooster444]

Curious if you've ever thought to ask if she might just be more interested in the third being a woman instead of a man as this seems to have stalled-out.

[slenderfish]

Curious if you've ever thought to ask if she might just be more interested in the third being a woman instead of a man as this seems to have stalled-out.

This is a good question.

We are now moving back into our patterns including the sex-positive therapist on Thursday. I believe we have set the groundwork sufficiently with the therapist for me to start moving the conversation more into the sex element.

[slenderfish]

Turns out we "wasted" yet another counseling session on SW's disappointment with a specific girlfriend of hers, whom she (and I) had introduced just before the pandemic to a guy I know (part of my guys' group), and they dated through the course of our parties in the summer of 2020. Long story short, after some ups and downs in that relationship, SW advised her friend to break up with the guy and became very negative on the guy. But they ended up staying together, and SW read her girlfriend the riot act. The girlfriend was offended and ended up telling the guy. They didn't break up, and are now engaged and readying for their wedding. SW and the girl are still out of sorts and we are apparently not going to be invited to the wedding.

[slenderfish]

Enough of that mess.

Today we are meeting up with a bigger group of friends, heading to a wine tasting event just about two hours from where we live. We will drive the first hour and meet the group, and then jump onto a party bus for the balance of the drive. My very close friend has organized the bus for the party, since it is his girl's birthday this month. There will be about 25 of us on the party bus, and another 15 meeting us at the event.

He called me last week and asked if he should get a bus with lights and a dance pole. I'm sure he did expect my answer that he absolutely should! His girl is known to jump on the pole once SW has done so. She and SW used to be super besties, then there was a period where they had to take a break from each other, and now they are back as good friends who "used to be besties" but are not as close.

This couple was with us, in the group in Croatia earlier this month.

The wine tasting group includes the couple noted in my posting above (the ones getting married) so that's an issue to manage. Also included is a another couple, the ex-wife of this friend who organized the party bus. She is now married to a rather ugly but physically imposing man whom I've observed over the years SW is drawn to, in some unknown way. He is an unusually successful man in business and was a serious athlete back in his younger days, and has kept fit during the intervening years. After being introduced to him, he began the practice of not only hugging her in a normal greeting, but kissing her on the lips. We rarely see him, because of all his travel (he has a private jet and crew assigned to him from his company).

SW also keeps a watchful eye on this ex-wife of my friend, because SW says this woman gives me way too much attention. Go figure.

The party bus friend called yesterday and said it's all arranged, etc. I asked if I should bring something for the bus ride. He suggested tequila, ice, and whatever else I might like.

Last night, our usual date night (Saturday), SW called me mid-afternoon and said she has a hair appointment (for today) and that I should arrange dinner and/or drinks with my daughter and her husband, about 45 minutes drive away, and to be ready to go when she returns from the hair appointment. Fine with me, done.

She got home and we jumped in the car, starting to drive. She was concerned for the time. She then told me that she wants me to drop her off at the shopping mall (the ultra-high-end one) that's 10 minutes from my daughter, and meet her two hours later (when the mall closed). Apparently I'd arranged with my daughter and husband to meet just me, not SW. Kind of check mate, by SW, in that of course I didn't want to hang around for two hours while she shopped.

Met daughter and son in law for cocktails at their favorite local speakeasy, and duly returned to SW and we had a nice but quick dinner, and returned home. She couldn't wait to try on the new outfit she'd acquired for today's event. And ask me to help her pick out shoes, and the handbag, and earrings, etc. She is giddy for today.

And she ultimately decided not to wear what she bought, but rather a more revealing sundress that I'd preferred when she showed it to me last week. I can't imagine how she will be able to manage her body if she ends up trying to dance on the pole in the bus. She selected the dress after modeling the other outfits, but I could kind of discern the whole time that she ultimately wanted to wear the revealing dress but somehow wanted me to push her to wear it. Once I realized that was the game, I played into it and along with it, carefully helping her make the decision she'd wanted to make the whole time.

I can't wait to see what kind of shenanigans she has in store for us today!

[solstice]

SW advised her friend to break up with the guy and became very negative on the guy.

It seems as if SW sees herself as a matchmaker, and if things don't go to her plan, feels justified acting as a disrupter. Do you look on with amusement or despair?

[afagehi7]

SW advised her friend to break up with the guy and became very negative on the guy.

It seems as if SW sees herself as a matchmaker, and if things don't go to her plan, feels justified acting as a disrupter. Do you look on with amusement or despair?

Not getting invited to the wedding means SW really pushed too far. It happens. Their life could be a reality show.

[william70]

I guess I don't understand how you let a sex therapy session get side tracked by this completely different topic??

[veub]

SW advised her friend to break up with the guy and became very negative on the guy.

It seems as if SW sees herself as a matchmaker, and if things don't go to her plan, feels justified acting as a disrupter. Do you look on with amusement or despair?

She really hasn't got anything else to do: no kids, apparently no job. What else does she have to do with her time except focus on friends, shop or workout at the gym? She must be bored out of her mind and the matchmaking is a distraction for her.

[slenderfish]

Well, the day was a party time and the bus did not disappoint! SW got all dolled up and wore the skimpier outfit, and was happy she did so. Within about 15 minutes from when the bus departed, everyone had done a few toasts to the birthday honorees, and then the pole got a lot of attention.

We rolled into the wine event already on fire and kept it going. There were 28 on the bus and another 20 joined at the event. Live deejay, wine and food, attractive group letting loose, what's not to like?

Later in the afternoon SW joined in with a group of about twenty hip-hop women grooving to the beats. She was the only white face in the group, so I jumped in with her. We were well received and our other friends got a kick out of watching and videoing us.

Mr. Italian brought a date and she is younger and hotter and a good sport. By the end of the day, they were getting physical, and I had to drag them back to the bus because they were unaware, just focusing on each other.

While stumbling to the bus, she noted to me that she was pleasantly surprised that Mr. Italian is "a good dancer" and I figured it was her drunkenness talking. He is not a "good" dancer. But I decided to be a good wing man and said "I'm not the one to ask about his dancing, but I did hear he is a good kisser." She asked me how I know and I said it's just a rumor. She contemplated that for a few minutes and then, right before boarding the bus, she stopped both of us and said to me "the real question is DOES HE HAVE A BIG DICK?" I laughed and laughed and then said "that's for you to find out!"

Mr. Italian then gave me the thumb's up and I leaned over to him and said "You're in, pal!"

[slenderfish]

SW advised her friend to break up with the guy and became very negative on the guy.

It seems as if SW sees herself as a matchmaker, and if things don't go to her plan, feels justified acting as a disrupter. Do you look on with amusement or despair?

Both.

But I'm pretty good with people and have done some solid favors, etc. for the girlfriend and will speak to her in order to repair this rift. Her guy is kind of a mama's boy but alas, she is in love so we will respect and support that. SW will go along with it, but there are some steps to accomplish in order to get there.

The wedding isn't until next May so it's not really a pressing issue, except that SW is making it an issue.

[Mr Mrs Cream]

While stumbling to the bus, she noted to me that she was pleasantly surprised that Mr. Italian is "a good dancer" and I figured it was her drunkenness talking. He is not a "good" dancer. But I decided to be a good wing man and said "I'm not the one to ask about his dancing, but I did hear he is a good kisser." She asked me how I know and I said it's just a rumor. She contemplated that for a few minutes and then, right before boarding the bus, she stopped both of us and said to me "the real question is DOES HE HAVE A BIG DICK?" I laughed and laughed and then said "that's for you to find out!"

Mr. Italian then gave me the thumb's up and I leaned over to him and said "You're in, pal!"

It was a space for „just do it” and invite them to a car to move to a hotel room.

[Uncharted]

SF-
I can’t remember if this was already talked about or discussed but as I try to navigate and chart a course for my own experience with my wife, I often reflect on your experiences and what I can learn from them. With my wife I have decided to try to define clearly the type of Hotwife dynamic I want our life in the lifestyle to take. I’m sure there are many variations but two lifestyle options that come up when we are discussing and searching for information are the Hotwife/Cuckold type of relationship and then the Stag/Vixen Hotwife dynamic. The Stag/Vixen Hotwife lifestyle seems to be the relationship type and path you gravitate toward and mirror. This is also the option I connect with the most. Did you have this straight out discussion and definition in the beginning stages?

I just thought of the struggle that someone trying to introduce this lifestyle to their wife for the first time, like your situation was years ago, might have benefited from being able to clearly distinguish the roles of each person in the relationship within this lifestyle, rather than misinterpret based on what they read on their first search for information. Although I don’t like titles, I like to be able to have a definition of roles in my relationship, especially when getting into uncharted territory. Thank you again for taking us along with your story. I’m still learning and gleaning nuggets of wisdom from your experiences. I hope all is well with you and your lovely wife.

[StandingO1984]

I’ve been reading this thread as I’ve had time for several weeks. Currently at page 122. Have been resisting urge to jump ahead so I can keep everything in context. Really enjoying the journey. Seeing SF’s patient approach with SW has been a valuable lesson for me. Hoping I can internalize it as I engage my wife in my fantasies with the goal of making it a reality. After revealing my desires to her almost 3 years ago, there have been times when she seems game and times (more recently) when she is not at all interested. As SF has said, it’s a tightrope.

[armyguyot1]

Welcome to the forum StandingO1984.

[johnstevens555]

SF, I really miss your frequent posting and I bet I am not the only one. Sometimes things that may you find mundane are great to read. I love hearing about your trips, nights out on the town, how you deal with your wifes’s sneaky little deceptions and lies of omission, her developing interest in black men, and all the rest of it. I sincerely hope that the trolls on this site are not the reason that you have stopped over that past few months. Don't let those 2 or 3 assholes win. Entertain us!

[afagehi7]

SF, I really miss your frequent posting and I bet I am not the only one. Sometimes things that may you find mundane are great to read. I love hearing about your trips, nights out on the town, how you deal with your wifes’s sneaky little deceptions and lies of omission, her developing interest in black men, and all the rest of it. I sincerely hope that the trolls on this site are not the reason that you have stopped over that past few months. Don't let those 2 or 3 assholes win. Entertain us!

Agreed. I enjoy the stories. Ignore the trolls. I'm sure there's some things from the marriage counseling that we'd love to read about

[rooster444]

Maybe I missed it somewhere but I don't recall there being trolls and negative comments here. The lull is a bit concerning. . . hope all is well.

[Crusty1969]

He's busy. He said as much. This is an avocation not his vocation. He was on on vacation for a couple of weeks. Deadlines loom on his projects. Plus he has a life a beautiful wife a family and a home to take care. He'll return when he's able. Patience is a virtue, my dear, Patience.

[rooster444]

Thanks Sweetie, I really needed your assurances.