Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

[TheHammer]

Great to hear! You should get a dog sitter so there is no rush to get home.

[Long Lurker 34]

SF - Ok, I find the SW's reaction to the girl on girl thing sort of weird and now she seems to want to make contact.

[slenderfish]

SF - Ok, I find the SW's reaction to the girl on girl thing sort of weird and now she seems to want to make contact.

I think she is actually responding to the drama with a different group of (former?) girlfriends who are part of a group who live about 30 minutes north of us. She is pivoting to be more supportive of my friendship with Mr. E, who lives 45 min south of us and represents a different set of friends. In order to make that work, she has to become more friendly with this woman. And it seems that's where it's heading.

Yesterday I invited Mr. E and his girlfriend to dinner with us on Friday night (tomorrow), for cocktails, fine dining and then dancing after to a live deejay. Along with three other couples, at a higher-end place close to where we live. They will join, provided they can get a sitter on such short notice. We'll have a chance to see how that works out, between SW and this girlfriend. Let's call her Ms. MC.

On a side note, we've also invited Mr. Italian (appearing here and there in this story), who finally finished his divorce a couple of months ago. He now has a new girlfriend, whom we met at the F1 viewing party on Sunday. She is literally half his age, young and beautiful, full of confidence. Hopefully they will also be able to join on Friday.

Back to the subject. A matter of background (it's somewhere back in this string), we first met Ms. MC at one of Mr. E's big bash summer parties. She is many years younger (and actually looks younger still). She was wearing a dress that was essentially inappropriate for a summer waterfront/dock/yacht/house party, in that it was very fashion-forward and very revealing. It was a dark emerald green sleeveless, and pretty much a mini-dress, with deep cuts in the armpit areas. Also a deep plunge in the front and also in the back. The back plunge provided a tease into the crease of her behind, an obviously firm and wonderful ass. She was obviously not wearing a bra, and the dress would not keep her dark skin and dark nipples properly covered, neither from the front or the sides. I have a picture with her in a group of guys, where her breast was fully peeking out, apparently unaware. Scandalous! But not to us guys, just the women.

It was not a "skanky" outfit, but certainly bold and an awkward attempt to channel "fashionable" while teasing "sexy" and "open" as a second note. I think she got it backwards.

And she does have this fabulous body, tall and long legs, model-quality. It's clear why Mr. E was smitten. Do I seem also smitten?

Two days after meeting her, SW and I were at a luxury hotel about 150 miles from there, and to our surprise Ms. MC was at that same hotel. I spent the afternoon with her by the pool while SW slept late into the day. For the readers who remember the history, this was the day after SW did the pool plunge at the end of Mr. V's birthday party, so she had a lot to sleep off. I tried to get SW to come out and join us, but she insisted on sleeping.

Back to Ms. MC. She is trouble, unimaginable amounts of baggage, all of it. Mr. E dated her for a while, then broke up with her when some of the baggage exploded. They got back together earlier this year. Mr. E is screwed, knows it, and yet has jumped headlong back into it.

She's not really my type, dark features, etc. But she is certainly beautiful and sexy.

SW generally has a gut reaction to a woman who is comparatively in the same beauty league as herself; she automatically goes on the defensive and then seems to find reasons not to like the woman. Over time, when it becomes clear the woman is not perfect, when her flaws and baggage start to become obvious, then SW is more ready to warm up. And it seems we are now at that place.

[slenderfish]

Great to hear! You should get a dog sitter so there is no rush to get home.

Ugh, the dog. She is fading fast and will probably not last much more than another week or two. SW and I never had children together, so this is an extra big loss.

[slenderfish]

Nice to hear from you SF and glad to hear you're on the brink of completing your project. I really hope the Mr B thing reignites. As a keen observer, those were some of the most exciting times more so than with Mr. S. Especially the videos of her dancing on and for Mr B. I do wish SW would be more open about exactly what happened with Mr B.

Ditto.

[TheHammer]

Great to hear! You should get a dog sitter so there is no rush to get home.

Ugh, the dog. She is fading fast and will probably not last much more than another week or two. SW and I never had children together, so this is an extra big loss.

Sorry to hear

[whosbeensleeping]

Yes, losing pets is the worst. Sorry.

[afagehi7]

Great to hear! You should get a dog sitter so there is no rush to get home.

Ugh, the dog. She is fading fast and will probably not last much more than another week or two. SW and I never had children together, so this is an extra big loss.

We're also dinks with pets. Losing a fur baby is harder than most family members. We have a senior and aren't far behind you. We're thankful of every day we have with him.

Sorry man. I know how much it hurts.

[slenderfish]

Yes, losing pets is the worst. Sorry.

Thanks.

We've taken to a pattern wherein she takes primary responsibility for the dog during the day (while I work, etc.) and then I take over for the overnight. As such, I'm ending up in the downstairs guest bedroom each night, so that I am within about 20 feet of where the dog sleeps and can respond to any needs. The needs are generally taking doggy outside into the back yard for body functions.

Being alone down here while SW sleeps upstairs, allows me to imagine what it might be like if I was down here while she had a boyfriend up in our bedroom. My mind does like to wander!

[slenderfish]

I've been reading the W770 story in the Cuckold section and he noted that his wife told a girlfriend about their "open relationship" as he put it. And that the friend doesn't know it's only open in one direction.

That reminds me I forgot to note here something significant that came up last week.

SW has been in this "mean girl" situation. One of her closest girlfriends during 2020-2022 has gone to the "other side" and the two of them have not communicated since November 2022. SW has started to hear through the grapevine that this woman has started to share things with the other girls, that were intended to be kept private between them.

SW was really nervous last week, more so than made sense to me. Then SW came clean: She'd confided with this then-friend about my kink.

[johnstevens555]

Do you accept that the gossip has already made it through the whole group by now? How do you feel about it?

[setv4]

Yes, losing pets is the worst. Sorry.

Thanks.

We've taken to a pattern wherein she takes primary responsibility for the dog during the day (while I work, etc.) and then I take over for the overnight. As such, I'm ending up in the downstairs guest bedroom each night, so that I am within about 20 feet of where the dog sleeps and can respond to any needs. The needs are generally taking doggy outside into the back yard for body functions.

Being alone down here while SW sleeps upstairs, allows me to imagine what it might be like if I was down here while she had a boyfriend up in our bedroom. My mind does like to wander!

Over the last 47 years we have lost many (12, mostly rescued cats) of our Furry Friends too. All but 1 is buried in our back yard, when we lost the first one we were living in an apt. But no matter how many have come and gone before, it still Sucks losing them. I know how You and SW feel.

[afagehi7]

I wouldn't assume everyone knows. Even if this friend is telling people would they blindly believe anything they're told? I'm assuming SW is doing damage control and saying that she's lying or something?

Plus, why would the friend do something to hurt you? You're always sweet as pie to her girlfriends.

[2inUPMichigan]

I wouldn't assume everyone knows. Even if this friend is telling people would they blindly believe anything they're told? I'm assuming SW is doing damage control and saying that she's lying or something?

Plus, why would the friend do something to hurt you? You're always sweet as pie to her girlfriends.

A real friend wouldn't, but a casual friend might. However the target would be about "HER husband..." focus being on the wife. He is just an unfortunate casualty in the tacky battles that women sometimes wage on each other.

Personally I would laugh off any comments instead of trying to defend against them. Take the high ground instead of getting into the trenches.
These battles can get ugly once you engage!

[slenderfish]

I wouldn't assume everyone knows. Even if this friend is telling people would they blindly believe anything they're told? I'm assuming SW is doing damage control and saying that she's lying or something?

Plus, why would the friend do something to hurt you? You're always sweet as pie to her girlfriends.

A real friend wouldn't, but a casual friend might. However the target would be about "HER husband..." focus being on the wife. He is just an unfortunate casualty in the tacky battles that women sometimes wage on each other.

Personally I would laugh off any comments instead of trying to defend against them. Take the high ground instead of getting into the trenches.
These battles can get ugly once you engage!

The one thing that has come around through the gossip at this point is that I'm an ass man (e.g. I've done anal with SW). Some of the women are positioning that as a fault. The guys are all smiling to themselves. And I take it as a matter of pride; "you wish" etc.

Yes, I will own all of it and laugh it off. "Our bedroom and sex life nobody's business, shame on those who will talk like that. Would you want me to talk with other people about your sexual peccadillos?"

[slenderfish]

Do you accept that the gossip has already made it through the whole group by now? How do you feel about it?

Hi JS555.

I did read the unedited version of your post and am not offended. I agree, SW is a handful but she's MY handful. It goes both ways; she puts up with my BS and is really unhappy from time to time because of my stuff.

We started dating in 2001 and got married in 2008, so it's been enough years that we are settled that we are human and make mistakes, etc.

Though some are more challenging than others!

[Long Lurker 34]

Do you accept that the gossip has already made it through the whole group by now? How do you feel about it?

Hi JS555.

I did read the unedited version of your post and am not offended; I agree, SW is a handful but she's MY handful. It goes both ways; she puts up with my BS and is really unhappy from time to time because of my stuff.

We started dating in 2001 and got married in 2008, so it's been enough years that we are settled that we are human and make mistakes, etc.

Though some are more challenging than others!

And that in a nutshell speaks for all relationships of any stripe you can dredge up. Well put.

[johnstevens555]

Do you accept that the gossip has already made it through the whole group by now? How do you feel about it?

Hi JS555.

I did read the unedited version of your post and am not offended; I agree, SW is a handful but she's MY handful. It goes both ways; she puts up with my BS and is really unhappy from time to time because of my stuff.

We started dating in 2001 and got married in 2008, so it's been enough years that we are settled that we are human and make mistakes, etc.

Though some are more challenging than others!

I’m happy that you got to read it and I’m happy that you were not offended as that was not my intention. “she is a handful” is a better way to put it than I chose yesterday.

Edit- Thank you very much for telling me this.

[Mr Mrs Cream]

I was thinking if it possible to play a dirty talking with SW.
But not during sex but just before, during fore play.
You should be lazy sitting next to her (both of you wearing clothes) on the couch and talking to her using voice and touching her nexk, hand, legs.
Do not let her come closer for a kiss, and talking with her.
When she would be tourn on, touching her and asking would you like Mr. XXX to touch your leg, going closer with your hand to her breast, tell me how you will ask him about touching your breast.

There is a mainstream movie Crash (1996) where couple is having dirty conversation during sex. There is also a good cuckold scene in Car Wasch, where the bull is having sex with hotwife on the back seats and cuck is watxhing them from front seat.

How about talking with SW about doing sluty things like DP with two gusy, asking her to pas a slut test.
Slut test- woman should rimm the guy ass.

I know some woman are more into gay/shemale porn. Have you ever try to give her such ones?

[slenderfish]

Something new.

First, SW has completed her 90-day break with wine, and is trying to find the appropriate approach to having a glass of wine with dinner, etc.

On Sunday night, a friend of hers stopped by to drop off a package. We greeted her over wine and cheese, then the second bottle. SW was feeling good, we were at home, so she pushed into the next couple of glasses. Ultimately, she did over-consume and we now know that two glasses is the maximum these days.

But while she was in her sloppy state, she said some things I've never heard come out of her mouth. Nothing like it, ever.

- "I am a piece of meat that men want to use"

- "I sometimes feel like such a dirty girl"

- "My body is just a bunch of holes for a man's cock"

Not sure if these were uttered in disgust with men in general, or specific to me, or if this is a slutty side of her that is showing itself.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

[BallSpanking]

SW's comments are unsettling because it is difficult to discern their intention. If stated with disgust, it means one thing, if stated with delight and curiosity, it means something else, if stated matter-of-factly, then her self image may be just that, but the evaluation does not make her sound proud of her sexiness.

[TheHammer]

What did you say in response to these statements?

Maybe try to bring it up in bed calling her a dirty girl and see how she responds.

[whosbeensleeping]

No need to say, I'm sure, but this would be one for the counselor. Pretty sure our thoughts will be insufficient, given most of us are not trained or trauma-informed. It does sound like someone who has suffered abuse. So the question might be how to process that trauma and take ownership for her wounded self and step into her sexual being.

[Parsifal]

Something new.

First, SW has completed her 90-day break with wine, and is trying to find the appropriate approach to having a glass of wine with dinner, etc.

On Sunday night, a friend of hers stopped by to drop off a package. We greeted her over wine and cheese, then the second bottle. SW was feeling good, we were at home, so she pushed into the next couple of glasses. Ultimately, she did over-consume and we now know that two glasses is the maximum these days.

But while she was in her sloppy state, she said some things I've never heard come out of her mouth. Nothing like it, ever.

- "I am a piece of meat that men want to use"

- "I sometimes feel like such a dirty girl"

- "My body is just a bunch of holes for a man's cock"

Not sure if these were uttered in disgust with men in general, or specific to me, or if this is a slutty side of her that is showing itself.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

It's not either-or, is my guess, it's more complicated. It's the Self and Shadow Self, like the Golem-Smeagel scenes in Lord of the Rings. She's self-affirming AND self-deprecating. It gets even more complicated when you factor in the subliminal diplomacy directed at you - on which side of the conflict is she trying to enlist you? Or maybe she's made you the rope in her internal tug of war..

[afagehi7]

Wow.. a total 180. If she was horny and feeling dirty and liking the idea of being a sex toy then awesome and hot

If she was disgusted then it's concerning statements.

Not sure how to approach it or if it would even be ok to bring up in counseling. Might have to just walk away from that one but I like the idea of following up on the dirty girl comment