Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

[slenderfish]

Hi again. I have to remind myself that she is approaching this encounter "date" as more of an effort of getting to know each other, and not "assume the close" as it were. I have to be consistent with her mind set. If she is in a level of denial about possibilities, then I need to respect the denial.

The hope and assumption is that she will let her instincts come out at the proper time (e.g. desire will rule the day when it comes). Until then, she will proceed at a cautious speed. I'll help along, just out of sight, to be there when she needs a bit of encouragement or whatever.

She does have condoms from before, unused (size large).

I do expect to have some kind of opportunity to see her wardrobe plans.

Beyond that, I have no expectations with respect to the suggestions above. If I push, it'll be a negative result.

She will shave clean, that's how she prefers it. She is a smooth, pink delight. She will be able to say that she shaved "for him" when germane. She also already went a couple of days ago and did a face "peel" treatment, which is now healing and will leave her skin fully primed by the time she travels next Wednesday.

Let's just remember that they've already had a makeout session, which she seems to reflect on as a positive time. If they get along on this next date, it'll almost certainly go further, but not sure how far. That's the unknown. She knows that I encourage her to relax and go with her body, her desire, etc. in the moment. Not sure if she'll let herself do that at this point, but she is certainly working on elements to prepare herself mentally, physically and emotionally.

She obviously still struggles with society's, and her own, expectations and conditioning.

I believe she has some plans for me tonight. Perhaps this will be our "last" lovemaking encounter prior to her departure? She asked if we might go for happy hour and then see what unfolds. I noted to her that she has been keeping an earlier sleep schedule recently and I'm good for that, tonight, because I have a 7:20 a.m. flight tomorrow. She skipped right past that and said I could certainly sleep on the aircraft. She further said that she will not wake up early enough to drive to the airport, and offered to arrange a taxi or similar.

[Mark K]

All sounds good. She is kind of pushing your buttons a bit isn't she. I like it. Not too demanding, but she is being controlling to a degree with her prep sleep etc, and keeping an eye on the target so to speak.

[BallSpanking]

I am not sure I would call it danial. Denial means you have the awareness of something, but willfully refuse to acknowledge it.

I think there is room for argument when a woman herself may not know the actual possibilities of an event like this, nor how they will react when this occurs in reality. Many times a wife's most sincere commitments fall away after the first clitoral orgasm. I mean, honestly, once you get two adults who are attracted to each other, desirous to fuck, with the time and the means to do it, adding the distance from home and probable liquid courage ... I think there is an excellent possibility women don't know themselves in that circumstance as well as they think they do (otherwise there would be no unexpected pregnancies).

[tojanman]

Has she modeled any of her new outfits for you yet?

[slenderfish]

Has she modeled any of her new outfits for you yet?

I saw a return get posted to the credit card, from the same boutique. So she has parsed the purchases. Nothing yet.

But I did fly some hours into a different time zone today to attend a family matter representing my mother who could not attend her brother-in-law's memorial service (e.g.my uncle). Will be home tomorrow.

The outfits will become more germane when she starts assembling her wardrobe for the trip. That may begin tomorrow or on Monday. Germane in that if she mentions nothing, it will stand out.

In which case I'll need to say something.

But I'm patiently waiting at this point.

[slenderfish]

We did have a conversation last night over glasses of wine, etc. She spoke about Mr. S and his apparent lack of sensitivity and sophistication. I said he's a guy, he's starry eyed, he may have lost whatever logic he normally has (e.g. hot women can do that to guys), etc. Ultimately, she gets to call the shots and set the rules, so why sit around and hope he figures these out? Better to just tell him. Duh!

He either gets is and plays her way, or he gets it and doesn't play her way, or he doesn't get it at all and doesn't play her way. Might as well find out up front and not suffer a similar result of the September encounter.

She said that she is not that good at thinking on the spot and maneuvering in real time. She wants me to write a script and prepare her with practice, etc. I find it silly but charming. She even wondered if she could have some kind of secret-agent earpiece for her, for me to monitor the conversation and make suggestions during their conversations.

She has no idea how much I'd like that, but I let it go.

We also had plans to "get naked" but she had too much wine and wanted to go to sleep when it got late. When I noted the plan and the non-follow-though she offered me a mercy quickie but I said I expect the royal effort so we deferred.

[afagehi7]

I don't understand why women expect us to read their minds. They expect us to read their minds and we disappoint them as most of us men have low emotional intelligence. Just tell us what you want and we'll gladly oblige.

[54321]

She even wondered if she could have some kind of secret-agent earpiece for her, for me to monitor the conversation and make suggestions during their conversations.

Actually, that wouldn't be hard to do. She could wear a bluetooth earpiece. They are chic and quite commonplace and it would be hidden in plain sight.

Or, come to that, what's wrong with "Let me ask my husband..." which might well add to the kinky excitement.

54321

[whenwillshe]

Slender, good luck with whatever happens this week.
You are on an exceptional journey with an amazing partner.
Enjoy the ride and thanks for sharing. C

[slenderfish]

She even wondered if she could have some kind of secret-agent earpiece for her, for me to monitor the conversation and make suggestions during their conversations.

Actually, that wouldn't be hard to do. She could wear a bluetooth earpiece. They are chic and quite commonplace and it would be hidden in plain sight.

Or, come to that, what's wrong with "Let me ask my husband..." which might well add to the kinky excitement.

54321

So this would be her keeping an open phone call to me, with her bluetooth earpiece. Hmmm....

Not sure she could pull that off without his knowing, but it does get the mind running.

[slenderfish]

We had our much-awaited encounter last night. After some misstarts earlier in the day, SW was loaded for bear in the early evening.

I'd said that if we were going to miss the opportunity today (yesterday) then I was considering that it might be best to refrain until after her trip, and that I actually was fantasizing about refraining from penetrative sex with her until after she becomes an official hotwife. That took her by surprise and she said she doesn't want to do that at this point.

I showered and shaved my face, and she was already one glass of wine ahead of me. She wanted to talk, to set the mood, which we did. We talked about hotwifing, about her approach to physical intimacy with a man. I encouraged her to decouple her longstanding process of "dating for the purpose of marriage" which is no longer relevant in her life, to re-frame as dating for the purpose of new experiences and pleasure, etc. I also mentioned that Mr. S is clearly more assertive and aggressive on the physical side, and that if she has never been with a man like that, it would certainly be a new experience and perhaps she will find she likes certain aspects. I asked her to remind herself why she choose Mr. S ("he is so handsome and in great shape,etc.). Only one way to find out!

I asked if she trusts him to be safe with her, both physically and emotionally and she said yes. So it's really just a matter of her closing the gap on her desire.

She then talked about the concept of loving more than one man. I'd said that I'm not jealous or worried about her falling out of love with me, because I am confident she has he ability to love more than one person at a time. We referred to a mother's ability to love more than one child, etc. She then said that she still loves some of her ex-boyfriends, and that these don't prevent her from her love for me. I agreed and said hers is a very good example.

She then initiated the physical lovemaking and sat on top of me, riding slowly, and then said that she would love to contact her Mr. M to see if he would get the phone number of her Mr. D for her. To do this in order to give Mr. M a head-spin. You may recall that Mr. M is her former affair guy (when SW as in her late 20's) and she has recently been discussing this hotwife concept with him, for his advice. He is very vanilla and of course was freaked out about it and for SW. Ergo, SW wanting to mess with him with respect to Mr. D. At least that's her version. You may also recall that Mr. D was her first real long-term boyfriend and they lived together for some years (prior to Mr. M) and she knows Mr. M through social groups of Mr. D. You may also recall that Mr. D is an uber-lifestyle guy, oldest son in line of one of the wealthier families in the US (and the world). I also know that SW obsesses over Mr. D from time to time, but not so much these days. She cannot go to her home town without the shadow of Mr. D being ever-present. This is another reason I offered the hotel upgrade in the September trip. I know she secretly hopes to run into Mr. D "by accident" because he lives in that area. I never mention nor let on my awareness that she is extra careful to always look extra hot when we are in that area. When we are there, she will not leave her hotel room until ready for the possible casual crossing of their paths. Again, I know this because I know her and it's clear to me what she is doing.

So I took this theme of her "still loving" her exes and that this doesn't diminish her love for me, and encouraged her with respect to obtaining Mr. D's phone number, while she was riding me. Started with her version of getting the number just to mess with Mr. M's mind, but once she has the number she calls Mr. D and he is naturally curious about SW and they arrange a quiet meetup at the hotel bar where she is staying. She said that's impossible, that everyone knows him from sight, all the hotel workers, etc. I said it would be framed as a business meeting and that he and she would give no sign of any energy. That he would be blown away at how hot she is, and would not be able to contain himself. She quietly slips him the extra room key, and tells him to leave through the front of the hotel and retrieve his car from the valet, but then to drive it immediately around the corner to the back entrance to the hotel garage, and to enter the elevator from the back side and take it directly to her room. She knows this hotel. He knows this hotel.

She would have gone up in advance and prepared herself to greet him in her new lingerie, and that it blew his mind when he enters her room. He cannot help himself, he holds her, kisses her deeply, there is a familiar taste and feel to him and his body. He then has to have a taste of her sweet pussy, and starts to go down on her, as she leans back into the bed. But she cannot wait, she opens her legs and begs him to enter her after all these years. He does so without hesitation, and it feels almost the same as when they were together all those years ago, that her fabulous pussy is still tight and fresh (no kids, etc.) and his cock fills her up and his hands hold her exactly the way she remembers.

While describing the above, I enacted it and at this point was on top of her, missionary position, deep inside, and asked her to take over the dialog. By now she is drenched inside. She exclaimed how good it felt to have Mr. D insider her again, how she missed him and his cock, and that she wants him to fuck her deeply and to come inside her just like it used to be. And he (I) did.

[BallSpanking]

I think she is losing her shyness over becoming a HW ... That's a good thing.
The more comfortable she is about being a HW, the more enjoyment she will have from her initial encounters.
[i.e. less guilt)

[KyGrappler80]

Nice plot development and director work, slenderfish. And obviously, real conversation sounds like it went very well.

[XYAlpha]

In this game of chess, the Master (SF) may have been outplayed whereas his strategy is going according to his plan, her plan is going according to her plan. I see a completely controlled Cuck on the horizon that doesn't even know it's coming!

From SF:
"I'd said that if we were going to miss the opportunity today (yesterday) then I was considering that it might be best to refrain until after her trip, and that I actually was fantasizing about refraining from penetrative sex with her until after she becomes an official hotwife. That took her by surprise and she said she doesn't want to do that at this point.

No discussion of expectations or rules... so she has made them for SF.

There might be a Poly marriage coming along now SF. Are you ready to share her full time with Mr. D?

XY

[slenderfish]

In this game of chess, the Master (SF) may have been outplayed whereas his strategy is going according to his plan, her plan is going according to her plan. I see a completely controlled Cuck on the horizon that doesn't even know it's coming!

From SF:
"I'd said that if we were going to miss the opportunity today (yesterday) then I was considering that it might be best to refrain until after her trip, and that I actually was fantasizing about refraining from penetrative sex with her until after she becomes an official hotwife. That took her by surprise and she said she doesn't want to do that at this point.

No discussion of expectations or rules... so she has made them for SF.

There might be a Poly marriage coming along now SF. Are you ready to share her full time with Mr. D?

XY

You made me smile on this one. "Not wanting to do that at this point" was more about her wanting to have sex yesterday and not wanting herself to go without sex until she is a HW. Denial is not something in the mix, nor have we discussed it. I'm not interested in any real sort of cuckold situation (e.g. humiliation, denial, FLR, etc.) and these concepts scare her. Not saying something couldn't change, but from where I (we) sit, I can't envision it.

Remember, she is going this week to see Mr. S. He's the handsome one, has a girlfriend, kids from a first marriage, and will hopefully become an appropriate FWB.

Mr. D is pie in the sky, and lives a life appropriate for his station. In the biggest stretch, he might be tempted into a side affair with SW but I don't think she has the guts or tactics to pull that off. He is not hunky or handsome. Just the rich heir. From an uber-rich family with all the mess that accompanies it. Happily married with kids, serves on charities, active in community, etc.

He basically left SW back in their mid-20's for a hot girl who had mystery, a burgeoning modeling career, etc. SW didn't have the glamor and complexities back then. Just a super-cute local girl from "the other side of tracks" etc. Right out of a cliche.

SW and I have a pretty full life and lifestyle that is within the range of Mr. D, and we probably travel and have much more fun than Mr. D. But we certainly do not have the deep backup plan and generations of bank underneath it all.

SW has a certain ego related to beauty and she hopes he runs into her "in the wild" and sees what he missed.

I have my own version that. My business partner has an aunt (his mother's little sister) whom I dated when 14-15 yrs old. When we started into business together about 20 years ago, he had one condition for me and his mother. Never cross in person me and this aunt. He said (and his mother agreed) that it would be devastating to this girl if she saw me and who I've become. Apparently she has a bit of instability and I would not be useful in her psychological mix.

Anyway, back to Mr. D. I've always wondered about SW and her history with Mr. D, and the ripple effect it may continue to have in her life (e.g. desire for the lifestyle, glamor, etc.). I also wonder if we just sparked something that will have continuing energy, or if it's a one-off. I did it on purpose, based on her conversation last night, and what I sensed was something under the surface.

Time will tell!

[afagehi7]

Excellent way to get into her head. I think she could bed mr. D if she wants but she'll have to become a hotwife and disconnect this notion of him treating her like a woman he's pursuing. If she was more forward and put pussy on the table he'd come to dinner

I think you're slowly getting her to make the boyfriend/dating/courtship and sex disconnect that's going to be a critical turning point.

I have to say I don't quite agree with XY but I usually do. I don't think you're going to be cucked and in a FLR anytime soon. I don't think SW wants that. She wants her man to be a man.

[54321]

54321 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:58 pm
She even wondered if she could have some kind of secret-agent earpiece for her, for me to monitor the conversation and make suggestions during their conversations.
Actually, that wouldn't be hard to do. She could wear a bluetooth earpiece. They are chic and quite commonplace and it would be hidden in plain sight.

Or, come to that, what's wrong with "Let me ask my husband..." which might well add to the kinky excitement.

54321
So this would be her keeping an open phone call to me, with her bluetooth earpiece. Hmmm....

Not sure she could pull that off without his knowing, but it does get the mind running.

Actually, there's no need for secrecy at all. How about:
"I'm just going to give my husband a call."
Phone in one hand and the other at the top of Mr S's thigh
"Hi, Darling! Yes, S and I are in this charming restaurant together. Yes, I'm having a lovely time."
Kisses S
"Now, Darling, I just wanted to ask you... "

So sophisticated and so much fun!

54321

[slenderfish]

54321 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:58 pm
She even wondered if she could have some kind of secret-agent earpiece for her, for me to monitor the conversation and make suggestions during their conversations.
Actually, that wouldn't be hard to do. She could wear a bluetooth earpiece. They are chic and quite commonplace and it would be hidden in plain sight.

Or, come to that, what's wrong with "Let me ask my husband..." which might well add to the kinky excitement.

54321
So this would be her keeping an open phone call to me, with her bluetooth earpiece. Hmmm....

Not sure she could pull that off without his knowing, but it does get the mind running.

Actually, there's no need for secrecy at all. How about:
"I'm just going to give my husband a call."
Phone in one hand and the other at the top of Mr S's thigh
"Hi, Darling! Yes, S and I are in this charming restaurant together. Yes, I'm having a lovely time."
Kisses S
"Now, Darling, I just wanted to ask you... "

So sophisticated and so much fun!

54321

I was thinking about your suggestion of a surreptitious way to communicate and came to the same conclusion, that it's best to have a quick conversation with Mr. S at the table, so that a) he knows I'm okay with it and b) perhaps this opens the channel for me to coach him on how to not flub this time. I'll discuss with SW.

[superb101]

Its kind of like starting into a threesome but not really! LOL

[BallSpanking]

For some men, cheating is a preferable option to fucking a HW, preferring to stay away from the hubby's knowledge or involvement, particularly to avoid any possible weirdness or extraneous factors. Raising this issue with Mr S could nix his interest in having that form of interaction. It depends on who the guy is, and how he perceives this. Unless he is already versed in the dynamics, vocabulary, and expectations of HW'ing, it can present a steep and difficult learning curve for an aspiring FWB.

[54321]

Unread post by BallSpanking » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:32 pm

For some men, cheating is a preferable option to fucking a HW, preferring to stay away from the hubby's knowledge or involvement, particularly to avoid any possible weirdness or extraneous factors. Raising this issue with Mr S could nix his interest in having that form of interaction. It depends on who the guy is, and how he perceives this. Unless he is already versed in the dynamics, vocabulary, and expectations of HW'ing, it can present a steep and difficult learning curve for an aspiring FWB.

I kinda feel the same way. A conversation between the two of you could be a bit of a buzzkill right there. Her having a conversation with you about how to progress while she teases his cock under the table would be HOTT! for everyone.

54321

[veub]

I was thinking about your suggestion of a surreptitious way to communicate and came to the same conclusion, that it's best to have a quick conversation with Mr. S at the table, so that a) he knows I'm okay with it and b) perhaps this opens the channel for me to coach him on how to not flub this time. I'll discuss with SW.

For some men, cheating is a preferable option to fucking a HW, preferring to stay away from the hubby's knowledge or involvement, particularly to avoid any possible weirdness or extraneous factors. Raising this issue with Mr S could nix his interest in having that form of interaction. It depends on who the guy is, and how he perceives this. Unless he is already versed in the dynamics, vocabulary, and expectations of HW'ing, it can present a steep and difficult learning curve for an aspiring FWB.

I doubt if he wants or needs your permission to fuck your wife. He was certainly willing to do it before without any knowledge of your kink. As to "b" - you giving him clues on how to seduce your wife would turn off the average man. Taking seduction advice from a cuckold?
My feeling, when I used to date married women, was that the relationship was between her and me. The husband, whether he knew/approved or not, was of zero interest to me. Her approval was what counted.
On second thought, maybe the call would give them something both to laugh about and bond over.

[samlowen]

I would refrain from speaking with Mr. S until after SW has sealed the deal, if she does at all this trip. My opinion is she should play it by the ear and discuss you only if he inquires and wants to know more. If he is turned on by the idea of you knowing and wanting this he will probably let her know.

[veub]

SF,
I keeps appearing right in front of me when I read your updates that she is withholding a lot of "information" from you. Texts, shopping, comm with Mr.S in general, and events that take place.

IMO, this is the foundation stage for the LS under construction. You are setting up a cuck scenario where you will be left out of the activities and will only be told what she wants to tell you and when she wants to tell you.

If this is your goal, you are doing it exactly in a way to establish that. If you have in mind participating, or being given play-by-play details later, you are not moving in a way that sets that up.

Have you discussed with SW your expectations for her part and for your part of the LS yet? Have you discussed any agreements to keep her, you, and the marriage safe?

IMO, you need to have this taken care of before she becomes a HW because after, feelings can be hurt, angst and jealousy might surprise both of you, and you need to have a roadmap to recover and get back on track.

Special Ops guys always say, the absolute best plan never survives first contact!

Good agreements and understanding will help in the event things don't go quite the way the two of you expect them to!

XY

In your post you say that SW was withholding information from him about Mr S. I think it's obvious that the real secret she is keeping is Mr. B.
I would bet the ranch that she is having an affair with him has been for a long time and her girlfriends know it. Her heating things up with Mr. S is a payback to B for the woman he's screwing. There is no way any woman happens to invite a man over to have drinks with her girlfriends then keeps him for the night unless she's fucking him. This is after they have had incidents where her tit just happened to pop out of her bra.
Why keep that a secret from the OP? Assuming the story is real, because she looked at B as a long term investment to replace the OP but wants his divorce to be finalized before any public announcement is made. In the meantime, it could destroy the business relationship between the OP and B. Also, it's more fun this way.

[slenderfish]

I am not sure I would call it danial. Denial means you have the awareness of something, but willfully refuse to acknowledge it.

I think there is room for argument when a woman herself may not know the actual possibilities of an event like this, nor how they will react when this occurs in reality. Many times a wife's most sincere commitments fall away after the first clitoral orgasm. I mean, honestly, once you get two adults who are attracted to each other, desirous to fuck, with the time and the means to do it, adding the distance from home and probable liquid courage ... I think there is an excellent possibility women don't know themselves in that circumstance as well as they think they do (otherwise there would be no unexpected pregnancies).

I fully agree. The initial challenge is to get these two, who do desire the same result, in a place and scenario where this mutual desire can cause the roadblocks to diminish and fall away. Both have their fears, which are getting in the way.