Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

[Sophie]

Fish,

I think Mr S is a conquest from her past and she's into him on some level to continue when she's not getting him to behave as she wants. It may also be the female mindset that causes women to be with jerks. I don't know if it's the challenge of changing the guy or what but we've all noticed the link. Also, when we've dates we've always been careful to not give in and treat her too well or we lose her. Maybe he's just playing the game. If he is then it's working because she's considering letting him have her ass.

afagehi7, I love it when guys use the old 'Treat em mean to keep em keen'. It only works so far and if we let it work in the first place.

Ladies know how to manipulate guys, most have a mother to learn that from their birth.

Sophie.

[afagehi7]

Fish,

I think Mr S is a conquest from her past and she's into him on some level to continue when she's not getting him to behave as she wants. It may also be the female mindset that causes women to be with jerks. I don't know if it's the challenge of changing the guy or what but we've all noticed the link. Also, when we've dates we've always been careful to not give in and treat her too well or we lose her. Maybe he's just playing the game. If he is then it's working because she's considering letting him have her ass.

afagehi7, I love it when guys use the old 'Treat em mean to keep em keen'. It only works so far and if we let it work in the first place.

Ladies know how to manipulate guys, most have a mother to learn that from their birth.

Sophie.

Perhaps you can explain why women are drawn to men that treat them a certain way? I'm not saying be mean but you certainly can't be too nice or give in. As guys we try to find the right line. I've always thought it was the challenge and need to change a guy.

Certainly explanation would be helpful. I'm 40s + married so I won't be using it anymore but I'd still like to know. I also wondered if this changes as women age? Is it a youth thing?

Manipulation of the male is simple, show some boobs and bootay and tease us with dirty sex and we'll do anything. Men are simple creatures. Feed us and F us and we're putty in your hands.hahahaha

[Sophie]

Fish,

I think Mr S is a conquest from her past and she's into him on some level to continue when she's not getting him to behave as she wants. It may also be the female mindset that causes women to be with jerks. I don't know if it's the challenge of changing the guy or what but we've all noticed the link. Also, when we've dates we've always been careful to not give in and treat her too well or we lose her. Maybe he's just playing the game. If he is then it's working because she's considering letting him have her ass.

afagehi7, I love it when guys use the old 'Treat em mean to keep em keen'. It only works so far and if we let it work in the first place.

Ladies know how to manipulate guys, most have a mother to learn that from their birth.

Sophie.

Perhaps you can explain why women are drawn to men that treat them a certain way? I'm not saying be mean but you certainly can't be too nice or give in. As guys we try to find the right line. I've always thought it was the challenge and need to change a guy.

Certainly explanation would be helpful. I'm 40s + married so I won't be using it anymore but I'd still like to know. I also wondered if this changes as women age? Is it a youth thing?

Manipulation of the male is simple, show some boobs and bootay and tease us with dirty sex and we'll do anything. Men are simple creatures. Feed us and F us and we're putty in your hands.hahahaha

afagehi7, Good questions, well presented and indeed they certainly need to be answered. Not sure they are questions that just me should answer.

Sophie.

[Parsifal]

Once her "style" is established, she may not want to change that. Considering your description of her personality and her preferences, I think you are establishing a precedent that you will get stuck with to some degree.

Insightful point. Being stuck with a style that doesn't fully satisfy you forces you either to adapt to it, to love her loves and embrace her passions, or to work out a compromise. Either way, there's personal growth involved in both scenarios, and unless you're extremely compatible and adaptable, some of that growth can feel painful. And nothing is set in stone. The right balance your looking strike can itself be a moving target. You may find that the level of spice that satisfies the pallet turns bland. As trust grows, risk dissipates. If you do reel her in, timing is everything, almost. Provided she truly loves you, she will accommodate your style to keep her privileges alive.

[slenderfish]

Once her "style" is established, she may not want to change that. Considering your description of her personality and her preferences, I think you are establishing a precedent that you will get stuck with to some degree.

Insightful point. Being stuck with a style that doesn't fully satisfy you forces you either to adapt to it, to love her loves and embrace her passions, or to work out a compromise. Either way, there's personal growth involved in both scenarios, and unless you're extremely compatible and adaptable, some of that growth can feel painful. And nothing is set in stone. The right balance your looking strike can itself be a moving target. You may find that the level of spice that satisfies the pallet turns bland. As trust grows, risk dissipates. If you do reel her in, timing is everything, almost. Provided she truly loves you, she will accommodate your style to keep her privileges alive.

This is my hope and assumption. Motivates me (us) to continue.

[slenderfish]

We are getting a bit closer to the next encounter. i'll review.

After her last encounter (mid-October) and gave up her hotwife cherry, she and Mr. S made plans to see each other when she is next in town, which is Thanksgiving. They made tentative plans to see each other one or more times beginning Monday, Nov 30 but that he has kid duty on Tuesdays so they might be just limited to that Monday. When she returned to me she mentioned this and requested we book her flights from Wed to Thu (Nov 25 - Dec 3).

I want to also point out that I'll be traveling there as well, with my son (from prior marriage) who is close with SW's family, from Wed to Sun (Nov 25 - Nov 29). He will stay with her family, and I'll be in the hotel with SW, which she presumed would be Wed-Sat nights.

Here's where I made it interesting. Read on.

I suggested that if she really wants to see Mr. S and will be in town but will otherwise have to wait until I leave, that might be frustrating for her, and I reminded her that my son will also be traveling, and that we will likely be arriving late on Wed or even taking a redeye, so I suggested she go a day early and arrange to see Mr. S on Wed Nov 25. She will travel separately and I'll be going out and back with my son.

She jumped right on that idea and texted Mr. S to meet her on Wed Nov 25 in addition to the standing plan to meet up on Mon Nov 30. Also noted to him she may be able to get together on Sun Nov 29. As such, she will return on Wed Dec 2 having seen him on up to three nights out of seven.

Again, the assumption was that I'll travel out late Wed with my son, and stay overnight with him at her family's house. Son and I will get up on Thursday morning, go for a workout, and then hang around and assist with preparations for the big Thanksgiving dinner.

SW will be with Mr. S on Wed night (while I'm traveling) and take a slow morning on Thursday, getting ready and then driving over to the family Thanksgiving dinner just after noon.

Based on that assumption, we made travel plans. But my travel plans worked out to be just enough different from the assumed plan, to make it more interesting.

The flights I was able to get for me and son are arriving in the destination around 4:30 p.m. on Wed Nov 25. Our return has us departing around 4:00 p.m. on Sun Nov 29. This allows for a few modifications;

1) She will indeed be able to see Mr. S on Sun Nov 29. Their last successful date (including fucking in the hotel room) was on a Sunday night.

2) If Mr. S is confirmed for Wed Nov 25, I'll be within reach of SW on Wed afternoon of my arrival.

So I have to decide what I will do with myself, whether I follow the present plan to go with my son over to the family's house (in which case there will of course be questions about where SW is staying and why I'm not with her). If Mr. S can't make it on Wed night, then I'll join SW at the lakefront hotel. I think the best plan if SW and Mr. S are getting together that night, is that I get my own hotel room so that there doesn't need to be any fancy dancing with the family regarding where SW was overnight.

Again, what should I do with myself that Wed night? I'd love to get a glimpse of the happy couple, but don't really know how if that's a good or bad idea.

I have to admit I kind of set it up to come out this way, that I'll be free on Wed night. Of course SW is fully aware.

[samlowen]

Is the arrangement of your son sleeping at the relatives house with you and SW at a hotel common? Has the family inquired about arrival times for you three? Those are questions I know my family would be asking out of town arrivals. The expectation in my family is that as soon as you're in town and settled, you head over to the main house and hang out. Does this family not get together the night before too?

[wannabecUKold]

Does the family yet know that Slenderwife is in town on the Wednesday? If not then why don't you and your son head over to the family and help with the family arrangements and then at the end of the evening you head over to the hotel. The story would be that Slenderwife has business that means she won't arrive till late and will be tired so won't come over to the family. At the end of the evening you can then leave the boy with the family and head over to the hotel, ostensibly to meet up with your wife.

[afagehi7]

You can just stay at a motel 6 to save money. I was going to suggest that so you don't get the questions. As for what to do with yourself (other than rub your cock raw) maybe a hotel with a bar. If Mr. S isn't going to stay the night then maybe book over when he leaves?

[XYAlpha]

SF,
Why can't you arrange to be close enough that when S leaves you can swoop in for a dirty reclaim?

XY

[Observer1931]

perhaps SW can make dinner reservations at the hotel or some place and provide you the time and place so you can also reserve a table there and arrive shortly after and view their interaction. The down side she would know and be reserved or she might tease you and put on a little show. Then depending whatever you could join her if he has to leave.

[regular3]

Just love this plan.

[CuriousOne36]

I like the idea of you staying close by so you can do a reclaim while she’s still warm so to speak.

[slenderfish]

Is the arrangement of your son sleeping at the relatives house with you and SW at a hotel common? Has the family inquired about arrival times for you three? Those are questions I know my family would be asking out of town arrivals. The expectation in my family is that as soon as you're in town and settled, you head over to the main house and hang out. Does this family not get together the night before too?

We have a tried and true pattern established over the past five or more years. Typically SW and I land around 6:30 p.m. Wed night and stop at the Whole Foods to purchase our allotment of the Thanksgiving dinner items. We then try to check into our hotel and then grab a bite before places close. We then join the family group on Thursday late morning, after some kind of a workout.

The only difference this year is my son participating. He will stay over there with the group, including the niece who just moved in with us (whom I am taking out to sushi tonight because SW has a girlfriends' night out. Son and niece are good friends by now.

With this established precedent, it makes sense for me to be away from the family and (assumed) to be with SW.

I believe SW let slip to niece that she is traveling on Tuesday night, "so she will be able to spend Wednesday during the day with her other girlfriend who has the day off."

[slenderfish]

Does the family yet know that Slenderwife is in town on the Wednesday? If not then why don't you and your son head over to the family and help with the family arrangements and then at the end of the evening you head over to the hotel. The story would be that Slenderwife has business that means she won't arrive till late and will be tired so won't come over to the family. At the end of the evening you can then leave the boy with the family and head over to the hotel, ostensibly to meet up with your wife.

SW let slip to her niece that she is traveling out there earlier, on Tuesday night.

But your suggestion does hold water, and I'll keep it as one possibility especially if SW does go out with Mr. S and they "reacquaint" with each other on Wed night. She could give me the "all clear" text after she is ready to receive my "baton" (my inartful reference to a relay race).

This is my new favorite plan.

Thank you.

[slenderfish]

SF,
Why can't you arrange to be close enough that when S leaves you can swoop in for a dirty reclaim?

XY

Yep. This.

[slenderfish]

Just love this plan.

I give myself a pat on the back, to so quickly offer up the Wed before Thanksgiving, knowing she would probably grab the offer. At that time it was the inkling of setting the stage for some kind of possibility, depending on what develops.

Well, it seems the development may be happening.

SW just has not yet received a firm confirm from Mr. S regarding that Wed night suggested plan.

[slenderfish]

I like the idea of you staying close by so you can do a reclaim while she’s still warm so to speak.

Good thinking.

[slenderfish]

perhaps SW can make dinner reservations at the hotel or some place and provide you the time and place so you can also reserve a table there and arrive shortly after and view their interaction. The down side she would know and be reserved or she might tease you and put on a little show. Then depending whatever you could join her if he has to leave.

I know SW by now and she would not be keen on assisting me to be around in any way. So I'd have to be surreptitious, and at this point it's a big risk to do that. But I am tempted.

[CarstonMathers]

I know SW by now and she would not be keen on assisting me to be around in any way. So I'd have to be surreptitious, and at this point it's a big risk to do that. But I am tempted.

What a simply fantastic use of the word 'surreptitious'.

[eb4cplslooking]

Quietly book an adjoining room or close by. Being able to hear muffled voices and sounds would send you over the top....go for it brother.

[Parsifal]

Quietly book an adjoining room or close by. Being able to hear muffled voices and sounds would send you over the top....go for it brother.

Especially the loud, primal screaming and shrieks right before it all gets and stays really quiet - that's the best part

[slenderfish]

Quietly book an adjoining room or close by. Being able to hear muffled voices and sounds would send you over the top....go for it brother.

Especially the loud, primal screaming and shrieks right before it all gets and stays really quiet - that's the best part

Sounds fabulous. I'm gonna monitor the situation as we get closer to the actual dates.

If Mr. S does confirm for that Wed night, I'll then choose a plan an put it into action.

Was just looking for suggestions in advance and I received many good ones.

I do agree it's probably worth the risk, especially if I am able to do this on the down-low.

[Long Lurker 34]

I, amongst a growing following, are eagerly awaiting to see how the your plans work out.
Now I'm wondering what the the two, or is it three, of you are going to get up to for Christmas and New Years.

Wow, this like tuning into a favourite show to see the episode.
All the best.

[regular3]

I guess you could also use the argument that hotwifing is a team sport that you both participate in. Being able to observe from a distance would surely satisfy both of you. You've written that she isn't big on sharing so this could be a good way around some of the info block.