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Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:14 pm**

As a relative newcomer to the lifestyle, the word "bull" seems to illicit feelings on its use.

We enjoy using the word as we fantasize about a giant beast of a man, tall strong fit muscular, physically pleasuring my wife with his big cock. More of a Minatour.. body of a God with ferocious animalistic hunger for sex. Of course we wouldn't call our play partner a Bull unless they refer themselves as one. Alpha male is another term I've heard. Either way each their own.

Story of the Minatour.
After ascending the throne of the island of Crete, Minos competed with his brothers as ruler. Minos prayed to the sea god Poseidon to send him a snow-white bull as a sign of the god's favour. Minos was to sacrifice the bull to honor Poseidon, but owing to the bull's beauty he decided instead to keep him. Minos believed that the god would accept a substitute sacrifice. To punish Minos, Poseidon made Minos's wife Pasiphaë fall in love with the bull. Pasiphaë had the craftsman Daedalus fashion a hollow wooden cow, which she climbed into to mate with the bull. She then bore Asterius, the Minotaur.[13] Pasiphaë nursed the Minotaur but he grew in size and became ferocious. As the unnatural offspring of a woman and a beast, the Minotaur had no natural source of nourishment and thus devoured humans for sustenance.Minos, following advice from the oracle at Delphi, had Daedalus construct a gigantic Labyrinth to hold the Minotaur. Its location was near Minos's palace in Knossos.[14]

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:22 pm**

I can understand why some people don’t care for the term. (My ex HATED the term “doggy style” so much that she had an aversion to the position altogether!) For my Queen and me, I think it evokes images of primal, powerful desire and stamina.

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:50 pm**

I agree with those who don't think the word "bull" is appropriate. I've used the initials "fb", but I'm not sure it is very informative to relative newcomers. I've seen the discussion on this Forum over the years of what the correct word should is, or should be, and I've never seen it resolved.

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:48 am**

I’ve never cared for it because it sounds demeaning. At the same time, if one prefers to be called that, then I guess it’s ok. Some ladies like being called certain names in the heat of the moment but calling them something that they don’t want is offensive. It’s all about personal preferences.

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:57 am**

My wife prefers the term "lovers" to describe the men she sleeps with.

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:09 am**

We never use the term "Bull".
We go with her "Man".

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:22 am**

Bull, stag, and vixen all just sound cheesy to me

Fuckbuddy, lover, third, FWB, ✌friend✌, boyfriend, "that guy she's fucking" ... anything is better IMHO.

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:03 am**

The term bull, I think, comes from the slave era when on ‘breeding plantations’ male slaves, called ‘Bulls’ that had been identified as possessing the most desirable physical traits of size and strength were forced to mate with women, sometimes very young women that we would describe as too young today. In order to maintain control over these men the plantation owners would place hoods over the men so that they could not see their partners. The women too had hoods over their heads and so it has been said that some of these bulls were unaware that they were mating with relatives…sisters, aunts, even mothers. These men were literally forced to mate with as many women as possible everyday and often died from the exertion. Such a practice is little known and avoided as it is among darkest and most disturbing aspects of the already disturbing practice of slavery.

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:39 am**

If a fellow Hotwife chooses to use "bull" to describe her other guy, I have no problem as that is how she sees herself and him.

When a guy uses it for himself, to me it is laughable. Being so 80's leisure suit cheezy, it is an udder turnoff. I want a man, not someone thinking they are a barnyard animal.
Even the image is wrong, a big animal with a skinny dick, plunge it in, two quick strokes, and off he rolls. I just can't get energized about any of that

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Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:47 am**

Luis wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:03 am
The term bull, I think, comes from the slave era when on ‘breeding plantations’ male slaves, called ‘Bulls’ that had been identified as possessing the most desirable physical traits of size and strength were forced to mate with women, sometimes very young women that we would describe as too young today. In order to maintain control over these men the plantation owners would place hoods over the men so that they could not see their partners. The women too had hoods over their heads and so it has been said that some of these bulls were unaware that they were mating with relatives…sisters, aunts, even mothers. These men were literally forced to mate with as many women as possible everyday and often died from the exertion. Such a practice is little known and avoided as it is among darkest and most disturbing aspects of the already disturbing practice of slavery.

While this could have some basis in fact, it would be a small basis. Throughout human history, there were very few "breeding plantations". Plantations, farms businesses, home help, soldiers, etc. All across cultures and peoples. A very wrong thing for sure in our modern minds, but it was normal for thousands of years throughout the world.
Thankfully most of the world has moved past this, though it still goes on in many countries

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Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2024 12:20 pm**

A couple other interesting points for me from Pasiphaë and story of the Minatour

1. The bull that Pasiphaë fell in love and mated with was a white bull. A lot of porn material identifies bulls as black men.

2. There's also a breeding element to the story, which is another element in the hotwife or bull fantasy.

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:26 pm**

DonVito4u wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:14 pm
As a relative newcomer to the lifestyle, the word "bull" seems to illicit feelings on its use.

We enjoy using the word as we fantasize about a giant beast of a man, tall strong fit muscular, physically pleasuring my wife with his big cock. More of a Minatour.. body of a God with ferocious animalistic hunger for sex. Of course we wouldn't call our play partner a Bull unless they refer themselves as one. Alpha male is another term I've heard. Either way each their own.

Story of the Minatour.
After ascending the throne of the island of Crete, Minos competed with his brothers as ruler. Minos prayed to the sea god Poseidon to send him a snow-white bull as a sign of the god's favour. Minos was to sacrifice the bull to honor Poseidon, but owing to the bull's beauty he decided instead to keep him. Minos believed that the god would accept a substitute sacrifice. To punish Minos, Poseidon made Minos's wife Pasiphaë fall in love with the bull. Pasiphaë had the craftsman Daedalus fashion a hollow wooden cow, which she climbed into to mate with the bull. She then bore Asterius, the Minotaur.[13] Pasiphaë nursed the Minotaur but he grew in size and became ferocious. As the unnatural offspring of a woman and a beast, the Minotaur had no natural source of nourishment and thus devoured humans for sustenance.Minos, following advice from the oracle at Delphi, had Daedalus construct a gigantic Labyrinth to hold the Minotaur. Its location was near Minos's palace in Knossos.[14]

I'm so glad someone else posted this! I hadn't put two and two together myself until I was reading another book, The Canterbury Tales, that referenced this story of Pasiphae, Queen of Crete. Side note: I had to read Chaucer with a search engine open so that I could look up the endless stream of references that I didn't understand. Between that and stumbling through Middle English, it was a humbling book. Anyway, I had that same ah-ha moment

where I thought, "So that's where that word comes from." There is a lot of hardcore filth in mythology.

My wife and I don't share the aversion that others on this forum seem to have to the term. When it fits, we use it. It's just that it doesn't apply to most of the guys we've met. There have been a few men where the dynamic of our play and their personalities made them Bulls, and that's the word we all used. But with most other guys it just doesn't fit or would seem weird.

Now calling another person "a BBC" on the other hand? Instant turnoff.

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:54 pm**

FWB, lover, fuck buddy, and boyfriend are the only ones that we would use.

Bull just sounds so awkward and implies your gf or wife is a cow when she is with .

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:25 pm**

We are actually poly - but with a hotwife accent (because I learned along the way that I enjoy her having sex with other men - hearing about it afterwards, listening, watching, joining in). So - she has a "poly boyfriend" that she has a real relationship with - that we refer to as "her boyfriend". That said, if we were ever to switch to "just hotwifing" - we would never use the term "bull" - we both find it a bit offensive, awkward, and really just plain silly.

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:58 pm**

We call Ann's extra lovers either "Fuck buddy" if it is just casual fucking or "boyfriend" if he is her regular date who she fucks.

Posted: **Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:50 am**

Bull, FB and FWB are terms that were unknown back in our day, however, even if they were, I don't think Hannah would have approved. If she fucked a guy more than once he was a boy friend otherwise he was known as a one night stand.

Posted: **Mon Apr 22, 2024 7:07 am**

Farmgirl wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:39 am
If a fellow Hotwife chooses to use "bull" to describe her other guy, I have no problem as that is how she sees herself and him.

When a guy uses it for himself, to me it is laughable. Being so 80's leisure suit cheezy, it is an udder turnoff. I want a man, not someone thinking they are a barnyard animal.
Even the image is wrong, a big animal with a skinny dick, plunge it in, two quick strokes, and off he rolls. I just can't get energized about any of that .

Rather on target I think in several ways. A bit like so many of those in the D/s world who declare their name as "Master-" or "Dom-" something or other, the choice seems so over the top one wonders if it is ALL simply self-aggrandizement making up for some other (social?) inadequacy. While not always the case I'm sure, I've been told the self-attached term of Bull can raise a note of doubt in some who feel it could be one of those "all hat and no cattle" situations.

I tend to keep the quotes around the term when it enters correspondence.

Posted: **Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:02 pm**

The married women I had sex with were not cows, the were wonderfull women, so I was no bull, I was their lover. To use the word bull is degrading to both the lover and the women

Posted: **Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:44 pm**

frank12 wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 22, 2024 7:07 am

Farmgirl wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:39 am
If a fellow Hotwife chooses to use "bull" to describe her other guy, I have no problem as that is how she sees herself and him.

When a guy uses it for himself, to me it is laughable. Being so 80's leisure suit cheezy, it is an udder turnoff. I want a man, not someone thinking they are a barnyard animal.
Even the image is wrong, a big animal with a skinny dick, plunge it in, two quick strokes, and off he rolls. I just can't get energized about any of that .
Rather on target I think in several ways. A bit like so many of those in the D/s world who declare their name as "Master-" or "Dom-" something or other, the choice seems so over the top one wonders if it is ALL simply self-aggrandizement making up for some other (social?) inadequacy. While not always the case I'm sure, I've been told the self-attached term of Bull can raise a note of doubt in some who feel it could be one of those "all hat and no cattle" situations.

I tend to keep the quotes around the term when it enters correspondence.

Your analogies are very on-point

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Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2024 4:35 am**

Do people have the same distaste for the term "stud"? From our standpoint, both words are simply slang that means a well equipped man with a high degree of sexual prowess. I've never been called by that term but would consider it a compliment. To each his own though.

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2024 4:49 am**

carolinacuck wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 23, 2024 4:35 am
Do people have the same distaste for the term "stud"? From our standpoint, both words are simply slang that means a well equipped man with a high degree of sexual prowess. I've never been called by that term but would consider it a compliment. To each his own though.

To the point that "stud" in our area has become a putdown, both with LS folks and vanillas.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2024 7:18 am**

If taking my wife and my cuck/Hot wife's history, it began as her cucking me and once her playing around was discovered , she would be classified as a hot wife. Back then none of these terms were in use (late 60's, early 70's). Swingers, wife swapping and cheating were more in common use. Same goes for the term "Bull." Neither my wife or I or her lovers ever used the "Bull" term. She just called the "friends", :lovers, but mostly "Guys" or their first names were the main term she and I used. "Guy's" is a term we both used and maybe it is a Southern or Texas way of describing other men, but it was the most common. It could mean a lover, as in her case or a potential lover, but it could also just be a generic meaning any male or in some cases "gender neutral" in todays "politically correct" lingo, as in "Why don't you guys come over for a beer?" when speaking to a couple or a group of both sexes. I still use the word "Guys" in the generic meaning today and I'm in my 80's. Just an easy term and without any sexual connotation.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2024 9:55 am**

leggysman wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:22 am
Bull, stag, and vixen all just sound cheesy to me

Fuckbuddy, lover, third, FWB, ✌friend✌, boyfriend, "that guy she's fucking" ... anything is better IMHO.

When I was younger Stag meant you weren't going somewhere with a date.

It's all purposefully dehumanizing to make the humiliation of your woman mating with other men go down easier. "Oh, I don't like to watch!" Good for you buddy. I revel in exactly what it is.

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2024 12:11 am**

These term threads are always a good laugh for me. People need and use labels to describe something and bring meaning to it. What term they decide to use doesn't matter in the slightest. Everything has a label even if some people don't want to be labeled. Especially, if they don't want to be labeled. People who are offended by terms in general usually amuse me, but I digress.

We say "Friend with Benefits" or usually "Fuck buddy". Even though my wife usually refuses to cuss and calls him her "Frick buddy" lol. Which I find adorable. Although we have also laughed at and used "stunt cock".

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2024 12:20 am**

I often find that when people post using the word 'bull', it can often be appended with the term 'bull shit'.

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