Wife and my Dad

mopacpower · Unread post by **mopacpower** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:34 am

Ok. Nobody yell at this. I am crossing the threads.

Dave, maybe you could help out MrsV and jevanson, by taking her out on a date, and if you hit it off you could make sure she has a "good time". You and him have tons in common, just a thought.

P.s. next year Jenna should be pregnant with your brother/sister.

wingman · Unread post by **wingman** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:53 pm

Dave
There are many who would call the cuckolding that is mainstream of this site sick weird and perverted. I was under the impression that one on the point of this forum is where folks with non-mainstream desires could express their thought, and be accepted as unique, but normal. I for one support Dave's desire to fantasize about a form of cuckolding that's not exactly mainstream among the cuck community. Dave, I like how you are trying to gain from the positive being said, and understanding f the negative. I hope you are able to hold onto this perspective, amidst the negative rumblings, and take the time you need to work things out at your own pace. I hope you continue to share with us as you have, for those of us who support your choices, and believe in the spirit of what this site is all about.

Best of luck my friend.

magnitorsk · Unread post by **magnitorsk** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:23 am

I followed a Reddit thread over here and have been grappling with whether or not I should post for a couple of weeks now. Let me begin with the caveat that I do not, nor am I seeking to participate in the cuckold lifestyle, I simply find it an interesting relationship dynamic. Having said that, take my words with a grain of salt. Here goes nothing...

Dave-

First, as many have said, you are a tremendous writer and storyteller. You should seriously consider following the advice and recommendations of many here and getting this story down in some kind of more permanent form. Really.

Second, I am going to tell you what I honestly think, and what I would tell you if you were a friend of mine in real life. I hope that doesn't get me into trouble :x. You seem like a fantastic dude, and I promise I am saying everything here with my only interest being your well-being. As I said before, I find the lifestyle fascinating, and while I don't participate, I've done a lot of reading, researching, and interacting with a few practicing couples. One of the things I have gleaned from all that, is that cuckolding, by its very nature, seems to be one of the ultimate expressions of trust in a partnership. The way that Jenna lied to you, and manipulated that trust made me physically ill as I read through your posts. Others have criticized the methodology you were using in the first place, but I am not going to do that. If you are all consenting adults, however you find pleasure and happiness is your business, and no one else's.

What I am going to criticize, however, are Jenna and your step-father's actions. You placed an enormous amount of trust (your turn-ons and cuckolding) in someone who was supposed to love you in sickness or health (Jenna), and she used that trust as a means to an end to suit her own twisted agenda (getting your step-father). That is despicable behavior on her part. Next, your step-father, while not as equally responsible I would say, was still complicit in the dissolution of your ten-year marriage. He was not just complicit, he was the man she left you for. These are not the actions of your kin. These are not the actions of people who are supposed to love you. Hell, these are not the actions of decent human beings. If your step-father had any integrity, he would have told Jenna that having fun with your consent is one thing, but dissolving your marriage for her is a completely different thing. You deserve, and let me emphasize this, YOU DESERVE better people than this in your life.

I beg you, please extricate yourself from these people. As you have seen with Paige and Ann, Jenna will continue to manipulate you, and sabotage your happiness, and do so gladly, for as long as you continue to let her. Change your number, change your name, leave the country if that is what it takes to separate yourself from these people. They have shown in no uncertain terms that they unquestionably do not love you. They are toxic to your happiness and well-being.

I am sorry if all of that seems harsh, I don't mean it to be. I think you deserve a woman in your life who loves you, and will explore your kinks with you, and is worthy of the trust you could place in her. I just don't think it serves you any benefit to continue associating with Jenna and your step-father in any capacity. I wish I knew you in real life man, I really do. I'd give you a big bro-hug and take you out for a drink. I hope you keep updating everyone with your progress. I think we are all rooting for you no matter what we all may think about what has transpired. I'm sending positive vibes your way man.

Best of luck to you Dave, I mean it...

mbscdaze · Unread post by **mbscdaze** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:20 am

I agree with the post from magnitorsk above. This is some of the most sensible advice I have seen in this saga. I don’t see any way this will end well for Dave if he continues to seek any type of relationship with his step father or ex wife. Dave stated in his post concerning the party that his former in laws already view his step dad as their son in law. If they do end up getting married he will be ostracized from his former in laws even more. And if they do have children together the bond with be even stronger. He will be the father of their grandchildren. How does Dave think he will be treated if the marriage does result in children. From their previous actions I don’t think anyone in the family would want Dave to be a part of that. To his ex wife he will always be an ex husband. To his step dad he will be the son of his first wife. Sadly I think that is the way he has always been viewed by his step dad.

Terrycart79 · Unread post by **Terrycart79** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:40 am

I have to say I agree with the last two posts. I may have already said this but I would move away. I was absolutely stunned when I read that Jenna left Dave. It was fun till shit got real

Max_Devli · Unread post by **Max_Devli** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:06 pm

(There is no sarcasm in the following words)

Don't forget folks - Dave wants this. He gets pleasure from what happened. He loves how it turned out. Don't kid yourselves thinking otherwise. His pain IS his pleasure.

Wittol Boy · Unread post by **Wittol Boy** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:59 pm

Max_Devli wrote:(There is no sarcasm in the following words)

Don't forget folks - Dave wants this. He gets pleasure from what happened. He loves how it turned out. Don't kid yourselves thinking otherwise. His pain IS his pleasure.

I agree with Max. I also understand why. I would continue down the same path if I were him.

b_p · Unread post by **b_p** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:36 am

Good gosh! Dave's already said that he's not pissed off at Jenna. I can't say that my reaction would exactly the same as his, but come on... He's not going to "extricate" himself from the situation. He's not going avoid them or shun them. He's not worried about how his former in-laws are going to view him or treat him. Jeez.

BP

curiousdave · Unread post by **curiousdave** » Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:34 pm

I read everyone's latest replies and once again I thank you all. Lots of well wishes and support and I really appreciate it. I do understand where the thinking of "Get away at all cost" comes from. If I was outside looking in I'd probably feel similar myself. But I'm not outside, I'm right there in it and it's just not so easy for me. I care about both people intensely and I feel it would leave a great empty space in my heart to just cut all ties completely like that. Honestly I have felt enough pain in all this, I don't want to add anymore if I can help it.

All that said I have very little to report, almost nothing actually. The only thing I can tell is going to make most of you nauseated probably (sorry). But I had a birthday this week and my dad and Jen took me out to dinner. It was no big deal or anything just a dinner out with them (which was a first since all this started). I enjoyed it and I'm sure you guys can already guess the kinds of feelings I was having being with them in this way. Same kind of emotions as when they had the grand opening. Seeing them together as a couple in such a everyday normal type way. Really pushes some buttons within me big time. But I am pretty sure I didn't let it show, I tried not to anyway. They gave me a card and my dad gave me 200 dollars (that's the norm for him on a birthday). So that was that. Like I said nothing big to talk about.

I'll write back more later.

two4fun · Unread post by **two4fun** » Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:00 pm

mbscdaze wrote:I agree with the post from magnitorsk above. This is some of the most sensible advice I have seen in this saga. I don’t see any way this will end well for Dave if he continues to seek any type of relationship with his step father or ex wife. Dave stated in his post concerning the party that his former in laws already view his step dad as their son in law. If they do end up getting married he will be ostracized from his former in laws even more. And if they do have children together the bond with be even stronger. He will be the father of their grandchildren. How does Dave think he will be treated if the marriage does result in children. From their previous actions I don’t think anyone in the family would want Dave to be a part of that. To his ex wife he will always be an ex husband. To his step dad he will be the son of his first wife. Sadly I think that is the way he has always been viewed by his step dad.

I agree with Mag too...I think you're a nice and adventurous guy too Dave...I do have an issue about you being around people too that treat you somewhat like their child/etc.....the part where your dad slipped you 200.00 kinda made my skin crawl...the whole thing seems more seedy then erotic to me now...or is starting to....I think you should create a whole new life...and when the time is right, find you a nice little slut to have fun with....at least you know what you're getting up front...that's what works best for me as I go thru this life

hansen69 · Unread post by **hansen69** » Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:48 pm

I just threw up in my mouth reading that. I understand you don't want any additional pain in your life, but to me you will be in constant pain interacting with them from time to time. To me if you cut ties it will hurt, but at least it won't be a prolonged ordeal. You will eventually get over them in time, unlike trying to be one big dysfunctional family. Either way I wish you the best and hope to hear some better news on your next post.

curiousdave · Unread post by **curiousdave** » Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:09 pm

hansen69 wrote:I just threw up in my mouth reading that. I understand you don't want any additional pain in your life, but to me you will be in constant pain interacting with them from time to time. To me if you cut ties it will hurt, but at least it won't be a prolonged ordeal. You will eventually get over them in time, unlike trying to be one big dysfunctional family. Either way I wish you the best and hope to hear some better news on your next post.

Eh I'm thinking it may be time for me to stop posting my life to the world. I keep trying hard to be open minded and understanding of all the different views. But apparently I am just so fucked up that my life is too disgusting for even a cuckolding forum. I just am really clueless I guess because to me LOVE means something and it seems very few have any understanding about this. My story is documented very clearly and totally in depth here, everything explained over and over and over again. How much I love my dad and my now ex-wife. I enjoy being around people I love. That isn't bringing me any pain or sorrow at all. Have I not explained that clearly? So what seems to be happening here is my particular emotions and feelings don't mesh with the "norm" and their idea of what is acceptable is not the same as my own. Apparently the "normal" thought process here is it's 100% ok to let your wife fuck others (and in some cases not you, this is cuckolding after all) and it's ok for her to humiliate you (in some cases). But if she is to fall in love with another man and leave you it is a 100% must that you leave and have nothing to do with her ever again. I guess I am really sick and fucked up. I just don't feel it so I must be deranged or something.

lozrob66 · Unread post by **lozrob66** » Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:49 pm

Now you chose to become indignant! After all the shit and comments over the last year, now you are annoyed? Not that there are sides, but we are on your side. Go Dave! See! I'm you number one fan.
If all that has happened had happened to some other, less accepting, guy we would advise him to stay clear for his own mental well being. Yeah, we love hearing the latest update as we have mostly all bought in to your story. But we do want to read good news for you. Wish them well, YES. Go to dinner with them?................it's a no from me.
Does it mean love them less? No it doesn't. I think it would be better for all 3 of you in the long run if you gave each other some space. It would probably benefit their relationship, what do I know?

Fotodom · Unread post by **Fotodom** » Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:15 pm

curiousdave wrote:
hansen69 wrote:what seems to be happening here is my particular emotions and feelings don't mesh with the "norm" and their idea of what is acceptable is not the same as my own.

People can see into another, only as deeply as they can see into themselves.

Sometimes that is not very deep.

hansen69 · Unread post by **hansen69** » Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:37 pm

I'm on your side, Dave. I just don't understand how you feel. If your happy that's all that matters anyway. Don't quit posting because I'm hoping you find someone to fill the void left by your ex. I wish nothing but the vest for you.

Wistful · Unread post by **Wistful** » Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:47 pm

As one reader who has enjoyed your story in real time as you crafted each post, I've followed along vicariously sharing your uncertainties, excitements, and disappointments. You've been consistent and crystal clear in expressing your feelings and thoughts post-breakup. You've made me understand. But brickbats tossed at the way you'd prefer to relate to Jenna and your Dad persist. I haven't commented for some time, but I eagerly read your posts. Your story and unique situation remain fascinating, and I would appreciate the occasional continued update.

magnaebony · Unread post by **magnaebony** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:05 am

I want to thank you for letting us in to see your life. Despite all the negativity you have received here, there is plenty of positive as well, and I hope you will keep us up to date with what's going on.

Personally, I think you are handling things very, very well.

wingman · Unread post by **wingman** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:18 am

Dude
I agree with the positive wishes here. If u want to stay in Jensen life....DO IT!! And do what you can to enjoy it as best as u can. That's been the point behind every post I've sent u!!
I for one hope u keep posting, as I love your whole adventure....twists and all

PM me if u want to chat more.

john jasson · Unread post by **john jasson** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:08 pm

Dave. I am with you on this. It seems strange to me too that folk who are accepting of their wives fucking other men, some of whom even getting off on the wife having a loving relationship with the other man and being humiliated by him, seem to draw the line at eating out with them after the fact. Most people in the "outside world" would condemn any man encouraging his wife to take a lover in the first place so it ill behoves people here to try to impose their own take on where the line should be drawn. What a strange world it is. You should follow your feelings and do keep posting. Nobody can be the arbiter of what is right and wrong in this game. We are all making it up as we go along. Only you can judge how far you can go in having your buttons pushed.

D+D · Unread post by **D+D** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:49 pm

All of us here who haveparticipated in this lifestyle are consideredd weird, deranged, stupid, sick, perverted, etc by the vanilla world. Who are we to judge someone else's kinks as long as they harm no one?

lozrob66 · Unread post by **lozrob66** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:14 pm

Dave's dad just bought his wife from him for $200. Fair exchange if you ask me! Now do you feel slightly queasy?

roadrunner · Unread post by **roadrunner** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:11 pm

lozrob66 wrote:Dave's dad just bought his wife from him for $200. Fair exchange if you ask me! Now do you feel slightly queasy?

When you put it that way, I'd say Dave got the better end of the deal!

(Sorry Dave. I know you feel differently, but I couldn't resist!)

bubbajack · Unread post by **bubbajack** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:44 pm

Dave probably won't agree with my seeing it this way, but at dinner with them he might have been feeling a little private glee that he has successfully assigned and transferred to his Dad -without recourse!!

- full responsibility for listening to, catering to, satisfying in the many ways she no doubt demands, the narcissistic Jen.

It might have been quite gratifying to Dave to sense the tensions that have grown up between them, now that the fucking has lost its initial luster - you know the sort of things that must be dogging them - when will he agree to marry her, will he ever mow the yard without having to threaten him, why does he/she demand to fuck so often/seldom ...

Of course my opinion of Dave's Dad's moral character is pretty low - but my opinion of his toughness and self-possession is pretty high - he will have no problem standing up well to the complaints of a pretty girl who he just basically wants to cook for him, make her own living and fuck whenever he wants...

b_p · Unread post by **b_p** » Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:25 am

You know what makes MY skin crawl? It's all the Hot Wife types (aka cuck wannabes) who come over here and tell Dave that he has to run away from all this. That somehow, it's okay if his now ex sleeps with other people, but going to dinner with them is somehow nauseating. I'm sick and tired of it.

I have my own opinions about what Dave would benefit from doing. I hope that I'm more supportive than the junk I've been seeing here in my last couple of visits. And I *certainly* hope that these people don't drive Dave away from this section.

Please go back over to your own section and let us have our own kink over here.

BP

peakmb · Unread post by **peakmb** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:02 pm

Dave,
It may be misguided of them, particularly on a cuckolding forum, but the 'burn the bitch' brigade are only trying to support you, albeit in a misguided way. It seems pretty clear that seeing your dad and Jen in this way had an effect on you. It would to anyone, and it would only affect you so deeply if you loved them both as much as you do. I just wonder, after seeing their reality so clearly, can you ever see a day when you will feel the desire to move on and actively find someone new to share your life with?

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