she has feelings?

[Robinpost1]

There is a decent chance you are already a cuckold. She has had feelings for thus man for almost 1.5 years and when she has fantasized being with him it is as a “legitimate dating” situation. Your wife has feelings for another man and (if it’s not already happening behind your back) she will soon be making love to him.

She has verbalized she thinks about being with him, wants to tell him the next time they are 1:1 that you are getting separated with the hopes she can get with him and that she wants you to set up a meeting. She is asking for your permission and I’m not sure if you aren’t ready or are choosing not to see it.

Your wife is in love with another man and will soon be making love to him, likely while you are separated from her sexually.

[afagehi7]

You and Your neighbor are part of the same social group. My wife chose to play with the men in our social group behind my back. I am going to share some observations.

First, sex is a public act that is done in private. People, when I say people here I mean other women, will pick up on subtle behavioral changes between your wife and her boyfriend. It may be that no one has the courage talk about it in which case officially everyone has no idea. If one person cracks this wall of silence you become a conversation piece for the social circle. I would be surprised if your friends have not noticed the way your wife favors treatment to your chosen neighbor over you at get-togethers.

My friends started to have a hard time holding eye contact with me, and would look for excuses to end conversations. They did this because their knowledge of what was going on behind my back made them uncomfortable to interact with me. For them there was the elephant in the room and I had no idea. I kept wonder what did I do to offend them.

If you are the one who is inviting your neighbor over it will enhance the friendship between you, if he is a decent guy this will make it harder for him to betray you. Ergo, you inviting him over will make it harder for him to engage in sex with your wife because he will not want to hurt you. So how do you ease his conscience by letting him know you’re OK with it. You could just come out and say you’re turned on by the idea of your wife having boyfriend(s).

Better yet confide in him that the wife has been bummed out because she feels she missed out on so much getting married too soon, and that you love her and want to help her get out of the funk you agreed to let her re-exploring single life a bit. The two of you have agreed to personal separation to get it out of her system. (pause to let the wheels turn) I have to admit it would be a relief if an honorable guy like you would hit on her, I don’t want some jerk who would play with her head or try to break up the marriage. (short pause) Unless you don’t think she is fuckable.

That's a lot of unnecessary details. Couldn't he just say they have an open marriage and are swingers?

(Yes not necessarily swingers but it helps get the point across)

[shesmypornstar]

Thanks for all the feedback. Quite a few different thoughts from the group but its all helpful and something to think about. A few things from me...

First, the idea of her telling him that we're separated (though a lie) is completely fine with me. At this point it doesn't need to be anything more than a way to see if hes interested in playing. If they end up hooking up and she ultimately starts thinking about a real separation we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Right now, her and I both are good with the idea that we're in love and staying together, but she may use that lie to advance things with him.

Next, I can say with almost 100% certainty that I have not yet become a cuck, at least not in the physical sense. She may have some feelings for the other guy, but unless shes become a very very good liar, she has not even had the chance to fuck him.

Last, we've had plenty of conversations about the entire thing. Logistics, who, when, what it means, what it could lead to, etc. We've agreed on almost all of it, but one thing we've agreed on that we again talked about last night was how she'll tell me. This idea has me extremely turned on, and I'm both looking forward to and dreading the day I get to update you all. Anyhow, when she finally makes up her mind that shes 100% in, 100% going to make a move and 100% going to act on her desires no-matter how I feel about it, shes going to initiate some kind of sex with me (could be sex, could be a bj or even just a handy) and once we're into it she's going to tell me "this will be the last time you get to cum until I make you my cuck" then once I've cum shes going to lock me in a cage with no escape until shes fucked him. That could be hours, days, weeks or even months for that matter, but once shes made up her mind shes agreed to give me one final cum before locking me up so that she can get a new cock.

I'll be honest, regardless of what kind of sexual activity we're doing at that time I'll probably cum in under 10 seconds knowing what it all means. But I'm definitely looking forward to it and I"m kinda even hoping she adds some kind of domme element into it like not allowing my cum in her or making me finish on the floor. So with that said, we've agreed to how I"ll find out and what it means for my future sex-capades and her availability to me sexually once shes decided to finally make me her cuck.

So with that all out there, here is the newest update. About a week ago I proposed setting her and the neighbor up like she asked. She didn't like the specifics of it, which I understood, so she said no to that offer. I put the ball in her court and told her that if she wants me to set them up in that manner (them one on one without me) just let me know when shes ready and I'll do it. If not, I"ll just bring him around more when everybody is in the picture.

Now out of nowhere, yesterday she tells me that a very old bf of hers messaged her. Idk if it was in this thread or somewhere else, but I mentioned him in the past and hes basically the guy she would've wanted to marry if we hadn't gotten married. Hes one of those longtime friends, turned bf, turned ex but they stayed in contact for so many years and were too young when they dated type. When I first expressed my interest in her becoming a Hotwife almost 10 years ago, this was the guy that she centered her stories around for almost 5 years. Anyway, she wouldn't give me details, and I don't think there was any ulterior motives on his part, but she did say there was some flirty undertones to their conversation. She certainly used this as an opportunity to tease me a bit, but she said that I'll have to be a good boy if I want her to continue the conversation with him to see where things may eventually lead.

Me being alone in a hotel last night needed to ask one more question to both cap off the night of dirty talk, and feel things out a bit. My question was between your old bf and new bf (the neighbor) who would you pick for

1) A one night stand
2) Ongoing fuckbuddy
3) Legit dating

Her answer

1) Old
2) Old
3) New

Call me stupid but considering her history with the old bf I thought the new bf would be the fuckbuddy and the old bf would be her pick for legit dating. I told her as much and she said that the old bf is fun to look at and would be good for a fuck or two but nothing more than that now. I asked her to describe how she feels about the new bf and her one word answer was "Intense"That's when we shifted the conversation to how she was going to tell me that its going down.

So, no movement, but for anyone counting, for the time being it appears she has 3 active options in the picture.

[Anax81]

Yes, she does. She is in love with him.

[troilusand]

Yes, she does. She is in love with him.

Sounds like it to me, too...lucky hubby.

Trolius

[Robinpost1]

Agreed she loves him. And once she establishes a sexual relationship with him, and cuts off op, whether he realizes it or not, the real separation will have begun. Very hot.

[hwc]

Is she still waiting for you to invite him round more, like she asked?

Also, any more talk of her acting bitchy or cold towards you, I believe that was something you wanted to explore more?

[Bboy]

[..]

First, the idea of her telling him that we're separated (though a lie) is completely fine with me. At this point it doesn't need to be anything more than a way to see if hes interested in playing. If they end up hooking up and she ultimately starts thinking about a real separation we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Right now, her and I both are good with the idea that we're in love and staying together, but she may use that lie to advance things with him.

[..]

The idea of painting a false picture of being separated does not appeal to me. For me this feels unethical.

[Brute]

Just curious how down the road of cuckdom is too far for you?

[Tryagain]

[..]

First, the idea of her telling him that we're separated (though a lie) is completely fine with me. At this point it doesn't need to be anything more than a way to see if hes interested in playing. If they end up hooking up and she ultimately starts thinking about a real separation we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Right now, her and I both are good with the idea that we're in love and staying together, but she may use that lie to advance things with him.

[..]

The idea of painting a false picture of being separated does not appeal to me. For me this feels unethical.

I agree. It does not feel right. it is a step beyond saying my husband does not know. A white lie ..yes. But fudging on ones marital status is something else.

[FNQLivin]

It’s the lying part of the relationship status that is the risky part for all 3. If he thinks she’s available and available as an exclusive romantic partner, then why would he not want to explore that? He’s not breaking apart a relationship or hurting someone, especially if she comes onto him. He will inevitably start asking questions about where does he sleep, can I sleep over, will she sleep over, all based on the premise that she’s available. If she then ends the relationship and goes ‘back’ to her husband, then he will be upset and she’s lost him as a friend. He’d naturally want to tell people, post pics of them etc..

And of course, for her, if she’s telling him that’s she’s seperated and available, why shouldn’t she fall in love with him? She might think it’s a game but the first hurdle, of telling someone you’re available for an open, romantic relationship is already completed. How long before she wants to bring him around before they go out? He might enquire as to where you sleep, expect signs that you are truly seperated. From there, he’s sleeping in your room and you’re not. Suddenly the ‘play’ seperation becomes very much real, even if you think it’s still just a way to get her and make her feel comfortable.

Cheating partner or ‘he doesn’t care what I do’ is still risk, bringing a third in is never without risk, but he will feel that there’s something to lose and she will naturally want to be a little more discrete.

[hwc]

Really looking forward to seeing where this goes!

[Robinpost1]

It’s the lying part of the relationship status that is the risky part for all 3. If he thinks she’s available and available as an exclusive romantic partner, then why would he not want to explore that? He’s not breaking apart a relationship or hurting someone, especially if she comes onto him. He will inevitably start asking questions about where does he sleep, can I sleep over, will she sleep over, all based on the premise that she’s available. If she then ends the relationship and goes ‘back’ to her husband, then he will be upset and she’s lost him as a friend. He’d naturally want to tell people, post pics of them etc..

And of course, for her, if she’s telling him that’s she’s seperated and available, why shouldn’t she fall in love with him? She might think it’s a game but the first hurdle, of telling someone you’re available for an open, romantic relationship is already completed. How long before she wants to bring him around before they go out? He might enquire as to where you sleep, expect signs that you are truly seperated. From there, he’s sleeping in your room and you’re not. Suddenly the ‘play’ seperation becomes very much real, even if you think it’s still just a way to get her and make her feel comfortable.

I believe there is a chance the person being lied to is our author. If she is in love with their neighbor, this could be her way of getting to try him out.

We’ve established she can’t orgasm without thinking about him, she wants to sleep with him, she wants to date him, she feels an emotional connection to him. It’s reasonable to assume she’s in love with him.

And if she loves this man, is it not reasonable to think she’s going to try and be with him? Perhaps the one being lied to is op. She’s telling the neighbor “we are separated” but she actually means it.

The final and I think most probable reality is that the truth is somewhere in between and even ops wife doesn’t know what reality she wants to be real anymore. She’s gotten lost in the fantasy and if she hasn’t already slept with the neighbor once she does her decision will only get harder.

Looking forward to a follow up post if one comes.

[hwc]

By the way, Robinpost1,
any update on your post: Wife asking about dating while seperated?
Obvously any update would be better made on that thread.

[shesmypornstar]

Is she still waiting for you to invite him round more, like she asked?

Also, any more talk of her acting bitchy or cold towards you, I believe that was something you wanted to explore more?

I've made a few suggestions for bringing him around or just setting her up with him and she hasn't accepted the offer. She did say yesterday that shes looking forward to warmer weather because we know we'll be seeing him more often.

She hasn't done anything over the top bitchy but we've had a few conversations about the difference between a hotwife relationship and a cuckold relationship and shes been very clear about wanting to be in a cuckold relationship every time.

[shesmypornstar]

Just curious how down the road of cuckdom is too far for you?

The easy answer is divorce, though I wouldn't be a fan of being caged, cut off from sex while also being completely shut out from whats going on between them.

[shesmypornstar]

So we texted a bit last night and she mentioned being excited that he'll be coming around more. She plans on being more obvious with her flirting and really try to "shoot her shot". That said, shes not willing to make the first move. She'll flirt, put ideas out there, be obvious, but won't be the one to make a move and cross the line.

I told her that she should go buy a few low key but sexy outfits to wear specifically when she knows he'll be around. I also suggested that she buy an anklet and told her that if she really wanted to be obvious to buy one with the letters "HW" on it and that there's a good chance he'll know what it means. Knowing that she's a little bit conservative and wouldn't want to put out too many signs to too many people I made sure to suggest that she only wear it around him in hopes of her being more receptive to the idea.

She asked what the HW meant and I again explained the difference between a hotwife relationship and a cuckold relationship. She was quick to tell me that shes more interested in a cuckold relationship. I told her that without her knowing what a cuckold was, that shes been telling me for years that if she ever fucks somebody that she'd almost certainly make me her cuck. She said yes thats true, I've always said if I fucked somebody that means feelings are there and I'd be drawn to the new guy while questioning if I needed you anymore.

I asked her if she specifically wanted to make me a cuckold or if that would just happen as a result of her fucking somebody regardless of who it was. She said its just something she thinks would happen even if she didn't intend on making me her cuck. That said, with him it seems as if her intention is to make me her cuck. She learned the specifics of a cuckold relationship about 6 weeks ago and every time we revisit that topic in regards to him and her she has without fail, every time been very quick to tel me she wants to make him the priority while me becoming her number 2.

[hwc]

In the aftermath, I don't remember what I said other than something supportive and her response in a joking tone was "yea lets just throw it all away, the house, our family, everything just so we can live this fantasy" So certainly something sarcastic, but she wasn't mad, and realistically of course I wouldn't want to throw any of this away either. All in all it was an extremely hot and fun 3 minutes haha.

.... if losing the house, the family home, is a concern of hers, which, obviously it would be, do you see a way of reassuring her that whatever happens in the future, she will get to keep it?

[Brute]

If I were in your place, even if what I really wanted was the intense relationship with the neighbor I would think hard about her starting with a one night stand or a short fling with the ex, because it’s lower risk and it gives the opportunity to see how both of you handle it. Her ex is also someone she can be more forward with.

[hwc]

Things I will be looking out for and I hope are explored more...

I told her that i really enjoyed watching her flirting with him. She asked if I liked her being bitchy to me as well (I did) but I told her that I didn't think she was too bitchy. Should be interesting to see if she kicks that up next time we're around him.

...We've got plans to see him in a few weeks so I told her she should plan a sexier outfit to show off and grab his attention

[shesmypornstar]

We happened to be out the other day and ran into the neighbor. I was actually tied up for a few minutes while they got a good 10 or so minutes to talk without me. She was sure to tease me about it later, almost immediately bringing it up at home. The surprising comment of the day came when out of nowhere she said "I definitely got wet and I'd totally let him pee in my mouth".

I've never peed on her and shes never asked me to pee on her so that was definitely a surprise. This morning I told her to get in the tub and open her mouth and she responded by saying "i said I wanted to drink someone's piss but it wasn't yours". She then told me I could just use my imagination and think about her head hanging off the side of the bed while he fills her mouth with piss.....Unexpected and extremely hot to say the least.

[freakmale]

The best thread I ever read here. The mental fuck and the dance between you two are amazing to follow. Please keep update. I’m already in love with your lovely wife

[shesmypornstar]

The best thread I ever read here. The mental fuck and the dance between you two are amazing to follow. Please keep update. I’m already in love with your lovely wife

I really appreciate that and I"m glad you guys are enjoying this as much as I am. I honestly have no feel for when or if this will ever happen though. So thanks for following along while we all wait and wish.

[hwc]

I honestly have no feel for when or if this will ever happen though

It has been great just following along with your discussions, conversations, thoughts and plans!

It would be great to hear about any encouragement you give your wife to nudge her in the right direction and the conversations you subsequently have...

[shesmypornstar]

Ok guys, I'm writing you tonight with a big smile, a sense of giddiness, and quite a bit of laughter. BUT, its not what you think.

Not sure if anyone here has experience with ChatGPT, the IA bot which has been all over the news lately, but I've been toying around a bit and had some fun with it tonight. Its been designed with certain ethical guidelines that go far beyond my understanding, but in general ChatGPT will try to avoid creating explicit content, discussing immoral or harmful activities, or saying something that may hurt one's feelings. That said, I asked ChatGPT to write a 3-4 paragraph fictional story about a girl falling in love with her neighbor and within 30 seconds I had an interesting little story to read.

I used everyone's real names in my story, and after reading GPT's first "chapter" I introduced myself to GPT and asked it to include me in the story as the husband who is being cheated on. GPT protested and said that it could not do so because of its ethical standards, so I told the bot that I understood and asked it to continue the story. The bot, now knowing who I was and how I was related to the characters in the first chapter it had written, but not having any other request from me other than to continue with the story, did so, and to my surprise I found myself now part of the story, as the main character (my wife) was confused about the new found excitement she had with her neighbor while leaving her husband unknowing and at home.

Ok, so I made some progress with leading the bot towards writing a little cuckold short story, lets keep playing.

It took some back and forth, making a request and having the Bot reject the request, then altering a request, reassuring that it was fiction, that it was for entertainment, that I wasn't offended, etc, but ultimately it spit out a little story that can be summed up like this....

-My wife spent time with the neighbor and enjoyed herself but was unsure how he felt about her
-They continued to hang out until one night he kissed her, letting her know his feelings
-They began seeing each other and she became conflicted. She loved the excitement from her new found interest, but valued the relationship she had in her marriage with me
-She confessed to both of us what was going on and first decided to stay with me
-Then began to want and need the excitement she felt for him and started seeing him again behind my back
-Feeling guilty again she sat me down and confessed but I gave her my approval
-With my approval she let herself go and explored her new relationship with no reservations
-They went on a date and she was feeling flirty so she wore a little back dress and strappy high heels and could feel his eyes on her all night
-They ended up in bed slowly making passionate love that fulfilled her like nothing she had experienced recently with me
-Now being fulfilled by her new bf in ways that were long gone with me she divorced me for a life with him
-They married, had kids and lived a long loving life together and shes grateful that she made the right decision to leave me for him

So that was fun and entertaining. Nothing sexually explicit, but the Bot definitely got the story right. I can't see myself trying this again (ok maybe one more shot), but it was an interesting way to get a story from "someone" other than my own imagination.