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Unread post by subguy80 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:53 am

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I remember you said, that Sarah has a kind of "male" view on sex and doesn't need a deep emotional connection to a guy to have satisfying sex with. And that Sarah clearly distinguishes between sex/fucking with a lover and "making love" with you. Have these dividing lines starting to blur, now, in recent times??
Good question. No, I think her approach to sex remains the same. You might be asking that question because she’s been “monogamous” since she’s been with Jamal. And, admittedly, that is a change for her. But, most of the reason for that is just because of limited time.

We all know how hard it is to find a good BF/bull. We’ve found one. Why change a good thing? At 38, she’s having the best sex of her life. But, that’s not to say she wouldn’t be open to an “opportunity.” They aren’t exclusive with each other for any reason other than health (since they bareback).

For example, the other night she told me some guy had cruised her hard at the grocery store. She said he really was trying to pick her up and it gave her a rush. She said she played along for a bit, but then realized, “what am I doing?” Although the idea of something like that happening is hot, she said she wasn’t prepared to go back to his truck or his place or bring him to our place. I half-jokingly told her she could have fucked him in the grocery store restroom. She surprised me by replying that she didn’t have a condom with her. Wow! That gave me an erection. Since then, I’ve jacked off to that image a couple of times.

The point is, she considered it. She considered fucking a construction worker, a total stranger. This time, her more practical side won out. But, maybe not always. She’s open to it.

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Unread post by frank r » Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:52 am

It always trills me when my Anna mentions in passing that she saw a very hot man on the street and was tempted to follow
him and perhaps slip in a quick bit of play in a stairwell or men's room. At the same time a crush of disappointment comes
over me that common sense prevailed.
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Unread post by SutterKane » Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:08 am

That she has considered fucking someone else other than Jamal is a good sign that she's still in this for the fucking and not because she's in love with Jamal. How would Jamal feel if she told him she fucked someone else? would he be cool with that or upset?
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Unread post by NewOldCuck » Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:21 am

Women are really complex and I don’t mean that in a bad way. It’s just when you think you have them figured out, they go and say or do something like that and you do a double take, tllt your head and say “What?”. It keeps you on your toes and keeps you from taking them for granted because you know, as soon as you do, you’re in for another surprise. And the more happy and secure they are, the easier it is to show those sides they keep hidden. I think that goes back to what we talked about earlier about sex not being the only way to bond in a good relationship.

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Unread post by Ryan__ » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:24 am

This is one of the most educational threads like EVER.

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subguy80 wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:53 am

...the other night she told me some guy had cruised her hard at the grocery store. She said he really was trying to pick her up and it gave her a rush. She said she played along for a bit, but then realized, “what am I doing?” Although the idea of something like that happening is hot, she said she wasn’t prepared to go back to his truck or his place or bring him to our place. I half-jokingly told her she could have fucked him in the grocery store restroom. She surprised me by replying that she didn’t have a condom with her. Wow! That gave me an erection. Since then, I’ve jacked off to that image a couple of times.

The point is, she considered it. She considered fucking a construction worker, a total stranger. This time, her more practical side won out. But, maybe not always. She’s open to it.

Surely a Boy Scout such as your self (motto: "Be Prepared") can easily solve this dilemma: keep a fresh stock of condoms in her purse, the glove box of the car, her gym bag, etc. Leave no opportunity unfulfilled!

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Unread post by subguy80 » Fri May 03, 2019 3:03 am

Jamal wants to take a vacation with Sarah. To my surprise, he asked her if I'd be interested in going, too. I figured he'd want to have her to himself. This would primarily be an "adult" vacation, focused on sexy fun. It would just be a long weekend, maybe four days. I asked Sarah if he is just being polite or feels obligated to ask me, but he told her it could be "hot" (his words) for the three of us to go. I thought that was very interesting and my mind started to wonder what "hot" ideas he had? So, we are looking for options for places a few hours away. He'll be spending part of this coming weekend at our place, so we'll kick around some options together. I'm assuming we'll be getting two rooms, one for them and one for me. Still.

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Unread post by D+D » Fri May 03, 2019 6:01 am

Fact is, you don't know. 2 rooms, one room, watch them, participate, you dont know and that is what has your head spinning. Will you be cucky or husband or what? The angst will build and you'll enjoy the drama of it all.

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Unread post by NewOldCuck » Fri May 03, 2019 6:14 am

Subguy80,
Your road seems to have so many twists and turns. Might as well throw the GPS out as it’s useless on this journey. :D I agree with D+D in that I’m sure your cuckold angst will be in overdrive leading up to and during the time away. The fact that Jamal thinks it’s “hot” but that’s just an adjective. It would be nice to find out what he defines as “hot” and why. Is it public humiliation? I’m not sure if there is much that he could do in the confines of the bedroom that he hasn’t already done. So, let us know what you decide. And “buckle up butter cup”.

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Unread post by subtoall » Fri May 03, 2019 10:31 am

I agree with Jamal. This is hot!

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Unread post by frank r » Sat May 04, 2019 7:18 am

subguy80 wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 3:03 am
Jamal wants to take a vacation with Sarah. To my surprise, he asked her if I'd be interested in going, too. I figured he'd want to have her to himself. This would primarily be an "adult" vacation, focused on sexy fun. It would just be a long weekend, maybe four days. I asked Sarah if he is just being polite or feels obligated to ask me, but he told her it could be "hot" (his words) for the three of us to go. I thought that was very interesting and my mind started to wonder what "hot" ideas he had? So, we are looking for options for places a few hours away. He'll be spending part of this coming weekend at our place, so we'll kick around some options together. I'm assuming we'll be getting two rooms, one for them and one for me. Still.
May i suggest you say little when you discuss withJamal, and today begin to learn to say yes Sir when you speak with him. Do not assume there will be two rooms or you may find the two rooms mean separate rooms in two different hotels. It strikes me he wants distance from where you live to explore how
you may fit into his plans. Be as open to what he wants as much as possible. There is heat in submission, I know!
Good luck!

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Unread post by SutterKane » Sat May 04, 2019 1:56 pm

How much communicating directly with Jamal do you do, or is most done through Sarah?
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Unread post by peakmb » Sat May 04, 2019 2:17 pm

Subguy,
I'm assuming from your opening line that initially you assumed you weren't to be invited. It seems also that you thought that would be okay for a few days and also that Sarah would have been okay too. Further, it seems so far that neither Jamal nor Sarah have gone out of their way to simply humiliate you. Some strong teasing yes (which excites your cuckold angst), but nothing vindictive. So, you left with the assumption that their plans for you have some sort of contribution / participation and that you won't be dumped in some far corner at the start only to be ignored and picked up at the end. As such your contribution to the discussions may well be sought, and may even be acted on if all three of you think it's hot. It is clearly an opportunity to act out publicly the dynamic of you being a willing married cuckold. Of others maybe knowing that you will witness, maybe even participate in some way, their sexual activity. Seems both safe (ish) and hot to me.

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Unread post by wannabecUKold » Sun May 05, 2019 12:05 am

subguy80 wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 3:03 am
Jamal wants to take a vacation with Sarah. To my surprise, he asked her if I'd be interested in going, too. I figured he'd want to have her to himself. This would primarily be an "adult" vacation, focused on sexy fun. It would just be a long weekend, maybe four days. I asked Sarah if he is just being polite or feels obligated to ask me, but he told her it could be "hot" (his words) for the three of us to go. I thought that was very interesting and my mind started to wonder what "hot" ideas he had? So, we are looking for options for places a few hours away. He'll be spending part of this coming weekend at our place, so we'll kick around some options together. I'm assuming we'll be getting two rooms, one for them and one for me. Still.
I imagine the hot bit in particular that is going through Jamal's mind is the public element: where the three of you are walking around and Sarah is evidently your wife but even more clearly Jamal is her lover.

If my wife had a handsome young lover like Jamal, I think it would give me a certain street cred.

Just imagine the thought bubbles coming out of the heads of all the other people in the hotel restaurant. "I'll have some of what she's having."

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Unread post by subtoall » Sun May 05, 2019 1:04 am

In my experience, most regrets are about opportunities not seized, rather than actions we later wish we hadn't taken. So I hope you'll let your submissive instincts be unleashed on this upcoming weekend adventure and not let a cautious nature hold you back from experiencing a deeper eroticism that Jamal and Sarah can lead you to. Be brave, but more importantly, let go and have fun!

On behalf of your fans, I promise we'll be here to pick up the pieces afterwards. :D ;)

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Unread post by SutterKane » Sun May 05, 2019 4:31 pm

Well before we predict any more of your future, lets hear what Jamal and Sarah have to say.
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Unread post by Serrand » Wed May 08, 2019 11:37 pm

Hi, I'm aware, that I'm more sceptical and less enthusiastic about certain developments, than most other persons here. Excuse me, if I should make you feel uncomfortable, that's not my intention. But I have the impression you don't mind or even appreciate to hear a different voice, sometimes.

Don’t get me wrong, I'm not saying you and Sarah going on a short vacation with Jamal wouldn’t be fun and exciting, I'm sure it would be. But maybe you should be cautious about certain suggestion here.
Sorry, but it’s indeed hard for me to imagine that Sarah or any loving wife would really want to see her husband to behave submissive, especially sexually submissive, to another guy? At least in this context, it's hard for me to imagine, if it would happen, that this wouldn’t change the wife's perception of her husband, even if it's only to a little degree. Would it be a positive or negative change, honestly, I don't know. I explicit don't say it changes the love, there are other more important factors to that, but does this really increase the husband's sexual appeal for the wife or is it more the opposite? I have my doubts, and is that what you really want in the longterm?

Excuse my rambling around here. I know I probabely exaggerating things. Looking forward to your next posts.

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Unread post by Ben_Bradman » Thu May 09, 2019 12:24 am

@subguy80 - I would like to hear from you. I often worry about you.
subguy80 wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018....She told me she wants to give him a “present.” She asked me what I thought about the idea of giving him exclusive use of her pussy. I said of course, since she has denied me intercourse in the past where a BF was giving it to her regularly. At those times I actually enjoyed it and made up for the loss with amazing oral with her. But this time she says she wants to restrict my tongue as well.......She wants to see what effect it has on him. She thinks he’ll really get turned on to get that kind of power.
[apologies for using crude language here] For a guy who wasn't really a bull and not initiated in cuckolding/hotwife/D/s or any specialist lifestyle - this must have been an amazing gift, totally unreal and unexpected. It would be really interesting to see how he responded to it over a period of time. To get complete access to a super-hot super-sweet beauty like Sarah, with no interference whatsoever from her husband, and no need to seduce or romance or spend anytime outside the bed (of course Jamal did eventually bring wonderful friendship on the table for you both later on). Whenever you need her just let your needs be known and then either the husband takes the kids out to icecream and you can go and enjoy the woman or the husband moves to a motel while the kids are at grandparents and you get the woman for a whole weekend! And she is available to you for quickies every morning (actually not just quickies...depends on how much time you have...she will be available for you). This kind of gift must have seemed like a gift from the top level God to Jamal. That's why he changed his life/career plans and stayed back in your town to continue relationship with Sarah.

Of course, most of what I have written in above is my reading of the situation and it might colored by my own fantasies. It would be good to know the reality.

Looking back at last 7-8 months how would you characterize the impact of the power (the "premium exclusivity") that Sarah gave as present to Jamal on him?

subguy80 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2019
the big, big new is we're having intercourse again after seven months....It took me by complete surprise and I didn't say anything...She started rocking and we had this incredible, amazingly intimate sex. Afterwards, as we were laying together in the afterglow, I didn't want to ruin the moment by talking about "what just happened," so we feel asleep like that.

Over the past few weeks, we've talked a bit about the "change in rules," but not that much...I haven't asked her if Jamal knows. I've decided to let her take the lead on this new development. I didn't write about it at first because I wasn't sure it would continue or if it was Sarah being horny and spontaneous.....So, yes, things are great.
If you don't mind me asking are the "changed rules" still in effect or have you found yourself cut-off again?
Does Jamal know that rules have changed or Sarah decided that this aspect is meant to be kept private between you two.
Have you done an Root Cause Analysis using 5 Whys or whatever methodology you were taught to follow to understand why Sarah changed the rules? Can you share the conclusions of your investigation please?

How would you characterize the impact on Jamal when Sarah took the ownership of her sexuality back from him (if he knows)?

Finally, it'd be great to get an update on your plans to take the three-wheeled couple on vacations. It will be lovely break for you three!

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Unread post by subguy80 » Fri May 10, 2019 9:12 am

SutterKane wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:08 am
How would Jamal feel if she told him she fucked someone else? would he be cool with that or upset?
I have been late in replying to the questions from many of you guys, sorry. I have the afternoon off so I'll try and get you all caught up on some things. Separate posts is easier.

No, SutterKane, Jamal would not be upset. He and Sarah are "flirting" with the idea of a three-way with his room mate/best friend. Also, the three of us have been kicking around some ideas for a long weekend together. As we were discussing some "fun" things to do, they both said they wanted to watch each other have sex with other people. So, Sarah and Jamal may be moving into some "swinging" and I'm pretty certain he wouldn't mind if she took advantage of an opportunity. Sarah has given him the same license, as long as he uses condoms.

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Unread post by subguy80 » Fri May 10, 2019 9:16 am

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Sat May 04, 2019 1:56 pm
How much communicating directly with Jamal do you do, or is most done through Sarah?
The two of us speak very little unless Sarah is present. The majority of information I have about Jamal comes from Sarah. I don't think there's any reason for that, necessarily. We both like each other. Maybe that will change.

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Unread post by subguy80 » Fri May 10, 2019 9:22 am

Serrand wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 11:37 pm
Hi, I'm aware, that I'm more sceptical and less enthusiastic about certain developments, than most other persons here. Excuse me, if I should make you feel uncomfortable, that's not my intention. But I have the impression you don't mind or even appreciate to hear a different voice, sometimes.

Don’t get me wrong, I'm not saying you and Sarah going on a short vacation with Jamal wouldn’t be fun and exciting, I'm sure it would be. But maybe you should be cautious about certain suggestion here.
Sorry, but it’s indeed hard for me to imagine that Sarah or any loving wife would really want to see her husband to behave submissive, especially sexually submissive, to another guy? At least in this context, it's hard for me to imagine, if it would happen, that this wouldn’t change the wife's perception of her husband, even if it's only to a little degree. Would it be a positive or negative change, honestly, I don't know. I explicit don't say it changes the love, there are other more important factors to that, but does this really increase the husband's sexual appeal for the wife or is it more the opposite? I have my doubts, and is that what you really want in the longterm?

Excuse my rambling around here. I know I probabely exaggerating things. Looking forward to your next posts.
Serrand, I don't mind you expressing your concerns at all. Thanks, but I would say my journey into deeper cuckolding has only strengthened my relationship with Sarah, not damaged it. For us, there is no stronger bond than letting your “worries” go and being totally honest, open and exposed with each other. That's what Sarah and I have done.

Remember, it works both ways. Sarah has exposed her “slut” side to me, knowing I would not judge her. She wanted a gang bang a couple of years ago and I watched her take on four guys for several hours. She was initially worried, but I encouraged her. I knew she needed it and wanted it and so did I. She loved that I supported her. Last year when I was away for several weeks in Asia, she went out on her own. She had anonymous sex with a total stranger in the back room of a shitty bar, with everyone there knowing what was happening. Afterwards, she sat proudly at the bar. I told her she was brave and self-assured and I loved her for that. A few weeks later, she told me the rest of that story. After the bar closed, the bartender also fucked her. She and I have tried to create an environment in which we can each express ourselves honestly without worrying about how the other will "judge" us.

So, we have each taken risks and been vulnerable in front of each other. When I was denied intercourse for seven months while Jamal satisfied her, I didn’t worry. It resulted in us exploring sex in alternative ways and that was also amazingly hot.

We are back to having intercourse again, but there are still “rules.” Jamal doesn’t want us to have intercourse within two day of him seeing her. Because his schedule with Sarah is changeable, Sarah is the one who determines when she and I fuck. Usually, it’s after she has been with him, which means a creampie for me and sloppy seconds. Her pussy is stretched and loose from being with him and I’ve learned to enjoy that feeling. So, the “new normal” and the new restrictions make me very happy.

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Unread post by D+D » Fri May 10, 2019 9:36 am

Great to hear from you subguy! Great explanation of your and Sarah's understandings. You have been in some very humiliating situations in front of Sarah with never a judgement or doubt of her love and respect for you. Hope you have many more great experiences. Good luck!

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Unread post by subguy80 » Fri May 10, 2019 9:57 am

D+D wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 9:36 am
Great to hear from you subguy! Great explanation of your and Sarah's understandings. You have been in some very humiliating situations in front of Sarah with never a judgement or doubt of her love and respect for you. Hope you have many more great experiences. Good luck!
Thanks, D+D. Ha! Yes, she's seen me pissed on, tied up, led around naked, in chastity, at a BDSM gathering and she knows that her jerk of a Latin BF a couple of years ago fucked me (although she didn't witness that). So, yeah, she has already seen a lot and it hasn't fazed her.

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Unread post by subguy80 » Fri May 10, 2019 10:03 am

@Ben Bradman. The reality is pretty close to what you describe in your first paragraph. Yes, I think he couldn't believe his good luck. I think he initially thought he was having an affair with a beautiful woman, behind her husband's back. When she told him I was a cuckold and encouraged her, he didn't initially know what to make of that. But, he's grown into his "role" with flying colors. And, yes, he pretty much gets to call the shots on when and under what circumstances he has sex with her. And, yes, sometimes I'm asked to take the boys out for ice cream so they can have sex. And, yes, I find that very hot.

There were several impacts of Sarah's desire to give him her "gift" of exclusivity over her pussy. I think she wanted to do something really, really special for him. I think she wanted to see what would happen to our sex and explore what "kind" of sex would replace intercourse for us. And, looking back, I can say that I missed her pussy, but I felt very sexual during that period. Yes, Jamal knows the rules have been modified. I talked about it in an earlier post today, but he still wants her pussy to be "unsullied" by my dick at least two days before they have sex. I think that rule is more to show me that he still makes the calls regarding sex with Sarah. (And, he pretty much does). Sarah knows his schedule is changeable, so I let her do the calculations on the "two day" rule. For that reason, she determines when we fuck. I kind of like that. I never know what is in store for me: intercourse, something short of that, or nothing.

Finally, on our vacation, we're still looking. The place outside Orlando where she went once with Aaron (Secret Hideaway, I think), has restrictions on single males (me) so that won't work. We are leaning toward Miami and we could go to Haulover Beach and get naked. We try and go to nude beaches often, but I have never been in chastity at a nude beach. Or, maybe one of the clothing optional resorts in Key West.

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Unread post by SutterKane » Fri May 10, 2019 6:56 pm

Subguy, You may be familiar with "Michael" and "Jen's" thread "It's happened!" but if not, here it is.
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38985
There are many similarities between your threads. I, for one, think you, Sarah and Jamal are doing this right, even if you three are going deep into the cuckhole. But if you read Micheal and Jen's story to the end, you'll see how playing that deep can go wrong. Sarah restarting sex with you shows that she still cares for you and your mental wellbeing. Jen has made clear that Michael doesn't matter to her other than as something to be used. I expressed my concern about Michael's mental health as others did about his wellbeing. "Jen" found out that we were worried, put him in chastity and cut him off from the site. That's why some have worried about you. As I said, I don't think that you are anywhere you don't want to be. But I do understand why others might worry about you. There are worse things than people worrying about you!
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