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Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:02 am**

Within the lifestyle, the natural focus tends to be on the relationship between cuckolds and their wives and between the wives and their bulls. While I think that’s not only natural but also where the prioritization should be, I do believe that the relationship between the cuckolds and bulls is an essential contributor to the success of those other relationships. With that in mind, I wanted to share some thoughts on what I have found makes a good cuckold-bull relationship.

Before I do, I wanted to mention that I realize that the term “bull” is less than ideal (i.e., a big dumb animal that wrecks things). Sadly, I haven’t found a better way to describe a man who specifically enjoys being with couples, including being watched by the husband. Partner, lover, and boyfriend all seem too generic. So, for now, I will go with the imperfect bull.

Okay, back to the cuckold-bull relationship. For starters, a good cuck-bull relationship needs to be based on mutual respect. I don’t care if the relationship also features things like dom-sub aspects or even humiliation (another term I have issues with); the cuck and bull should respect one another. The bull should respect the cuck as a husband and appreciate the cuck for allowing him into the marriage. The bull is also more than just a dildo with a pulse, so the cuckold should respect the bull for what he brings to the relationship. They need one another and should appreciate one another.

The second key is that they should see each other as teammates and never as competitors. They both have the same goal: the wife’s pleasure and happiness. Their ability to achieve those ends will be significantly enhanced if they work together. The husband will know the wife far better than the bull will and can offer insights to the bull on how best to tailor his approach to her unique needs and desires. The better the bull can tailor his approach, the more pleasure the wife will get. The more pleasure the wife gets, the more she will want to play.

Meanwhile, the bull can help provide the cuckold opportunities to play a supportive role (e.g., helping her get dressed for their dates). That’s especially helpful for inexperienced/new cuckolds. My experience has been that cucks tend to be happiest when they have an opportunity to play an active support role. I never want them to feel like third wheels.

Third, while cucks and bulls don’t necessarily need to become best friends, developing a friendship that extends beyond the bedroom will undoubtedly be a positive for the overall relationship. That friendship will improve communication, allowing them to better plan and tailor things for the wife’s pleasure. It will also enhance their mutual respect. Finally, it is reassuring for the wives to know that their husbands and bulls get along. She won’t feel like she has to choose between them since they are working together for her.

So, for the bulls and cucks out there, go grab a beer and watch a game together occasionally lol

Again, the focus for the cucks and bulls should be on the wife, but a little bit of work on their relationship will contribute to the overall success of the broader relationship and the wife’s pleasure. Of course, every cuck-bull relationship is unique and will evolve with time, but I think that general guidance is pretty universal and will pay dividends.

Posted: **Tue Aug 20, 2024 8:16 am**

This sounds like a win-win-win for all 3. Unfortunately, it's not always easy to find the right 3 people to make this happen.

Posted: **Tue Aug 20, 2024 9:38 am**

athlete915 wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:02 am
Within the lifestyle, the natural focus tends to be on the relationship between cuckolds and their wives and between the wives and their bulls. While I think that’s not only natural but also where the prioritization should be, I do believe that the relationship between the cuckolds and bulls is an essential contributor to the success of those other relationships. With that in mind, I wanted to share some thoughts on what I have found makes a good cuckold-bull relationship.

Before I do, I wanted to mention that I realize that the term “bull” is less than ideal (i.e., a big dumb animal that wrecks things). Sadly, I haven’t found a better way to describe a man who specifically enjoys being with couples, including being watched by the husband. Partner, lover, and boyfriend all seem too generic. So, for now, I will go with the imperfect bull.

Okay, back to the cuckold-bull relationship. For starters, a good cuck-bull relationship needs to be based on mutual respect. I don’t care if the relationship also features things like dom-sub aspects or even humiliation (another term I have issues with); the cuck and bull should respect one another. The bull should respect the cuck as a husband and appreciate the cuck for allowing him into the marriage. The bull is also more than just a dildo with a pulse, so the cuckold should respect the bull for what he brings to the relationship. They need one another and should appreciate one another.

The second key is that they should see each other as teammates and never as competitors. They both have the same goal: the wife’s pleasure and happiness. Their ability to achieve those ends will be significantly enhanced if they work together. The husband will know the wife far better than the bull will and can offer insights to the bull on how best to tailor his approach to her unique needs and desires. The better the bull can tailor his approach, the more pleasure the wife will get. The more pleasure the wife gets, the more she will want to play.

Meanwhile, the bull can help provide the cuckold opportunities to play a supportive role (e.g., helping her get dressed for their dates). That’s especially helpful for inexperienced/new cuckolds. My experience has been that cucks tend to be happiest when they have an opportunity to play an active support role. I never want them to feel like third wheels.

Third, while cucks and bulls don’t necessarily need to become best friends, developing a friendship that extends beyond the bedroom will undoubtedly be a positive for the overall relationship. That friendship will improve communication, allowing them to better plan and tailor things for the wife’s pleasure. It will also enhance their mutual respect. Finally, it is reassuring for the wives to know that their husbands and bulls get along. She won’t feel like she has to choose between them since they are working together for her.

So, for the bulls and cucks out there, go grab a beer and watch a game together occasionally lol

Again, the focus for the cucks and bulls should be on the wife, but a little bit of work on their relationship will contribute to the overall success of the broader relationship and the wife’s pleasure. Of course, every cuck-bull relationship is unique and will evolve with time, but I think that general guidance is pretty universal and will pay dividends.

Bulls always go through me to get to Sue and I’ve been friends with many through the years, even those who she no longer plays with. We connect over sports, boating and some just like to get updated pics from time to time. I think everything is better if the cuck and bull get along. Of course I’m not referring to extreme cuckolds here. I realize this doesn’t address the things you referenced during play.

Don’t make to much of the Bull metaphor. It is a universal term now and not going away. It just refers to the dominant nature of most guys who play that role.

Posted: **Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:42 am**

Lucky Dog wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 20, 2024 8:16 am
This sounds like a win-win-win for all 3. Unfortunately, it's not always easy to find the right 3 people to make this happen.

I call it a virtuous cycle where everyone's pleasure and excitement feed off one another. For example, if the cuckold buys her lingerie that I like, I am going to be even more excited to fuck her. If I fuck her well, she will want more and embrace her hot wife nature. If she is happy and embraces being a hot wife, the husband can explore and embrace being a cuckold.

I agree that finding the right people can be challenging. From my perspective, I look for couples with happy, healthy marriages. This lifestyle will enhance good marriages but won't fix bad marriages.

I remind couples that they have what we want. Therefore, they can be selective. They shouldn't feel like they need to settle for a guy who doesn't match them well.

Posted: **Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:03 am**

4herpleasure89 wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 20, 2024 9:38 am

Bulls always go through me to get to Sue and I’ve been friends with many through the years, even those who she no longer plays with. We connect over sports, boating and some just like to get updated pics from time to time. I think everything is better if the cuck and bull get along. Of course I’m not referring to extreme cuckolds here. I realize this doesn’t address the things you referenced during play.

Don’t make to much of the Bull metaphor. It is a universal term now and not going away. It just refers to the dominant nature of most guys who play that role.

My first two experiences with couples turned into long-term relationships, and both cuckolds and I developed friendships that extended beyond the bedroom. I think those experiences biased me, and I certainly have sought that with my subsequent couples. Like you said, everything is better when we get along.

I developed a more dominant relationship with the husband from my second couple (I was too young and inexperienced with my first couple), so our friendship outside the bedroom was an interesting juxtaposition. It would be interesting to sit in a bar with a friend who also happened to love me taking the lead in the bedroom and who had just watched me fuck his wife and eagerly cleaned her afterward. I certainly recognized the taboo nature of it, but it was also the dynamic that worked for us. In our own way, it felt "natural."

One of the funny things about the bull metaphor is that I spent the entire relationship with my first couple without a clue that there was a broader lifestyle out there. I just thought that this was something "weird" that we did. My second couple introduced me to lifestyle websites and helped me understand that this wasn't all that unique. I learned about bulls, cucks, hot wives, etc.

I can't imagine why any of your former bulls would still want pictures of Sue

Posted: **Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:19 am**

I don't consider my wife's Bf a bull. He's her boy friend. We get along really good. He fucks my wife whenever he wants or whenever she wants. He includes me in activities sometimes. Sometimes we play golf together but I also understand he is my superior. My wife does allow him to spank me if I'm naughty and he will make me suck his cock if my wife isn't feeling well and he needs a release. I really like him a lot and hope they remain together for a long time.

Posted: **Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:37 am**

From my experience consorting with couples and married women, when you pull off all the romanticized fantasy it's just people using each other to boost their own egos and in the end the "bull" is always expendable at a moments notice.

If you want to get really honest and pull back the curtain....a bull is just a cuck too. He's knowingly sharing a woman with another man and she is less committed to the bull than she is her husband. Husband gets to see her and sleep next her pretty much every night, bull gets her maybe a couple of times a month. So who really is the cuck when you think about it?

Posted: **Mon Aug 26, 2024 3:20 pm**

@dreamer72 -- That's one of the more profound things I've read on here in a while. The way my HW and I play it, the boyfriend gets almost no one-on-one time with my wife at all. I've been thinking that I should encourage at least SOME private times to enhance her relationship with him.

Posted: **Mon Aug 26, 2024 3:58 pm**

Honestly, I've become very good friends with a few guys my wife has been involved with. Her current bf and I are great friends. She jokes that we're going to leave her for each other one day.

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2024 8:28 am**

dreamer72 wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:37 am
From my experience consorting with couples and married women, when you pull off all the romanticized fantasy it's just people using each other to boost their own egos and in the end the "bull" is always expendable at a moments notice.

If you want to get really honest and pull back the curtain....a bull is just a cuck too. He's knowingly sharing a woman with another man and she is less committed to the bull than she is her husband. Husband gets to see her and sleep next her pretty much every night, bull gets her maybe a couple of times a month. So who really is the cuck when you think about it?

Ive read about bull drop, when the bull feels empty after sex. Do you know about it?

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2024 12:02 pm**

I have met a lot of Ann’s boyfriends, but I have no interest in being friends with them and she prefers to keep her boyfriend and family life separate.

Posted: **Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:55 pm**

If you want to get really honest and pull back the curtain....a bull is just a cuck too. He's knowingly sharing a woman with another man and she is less committed to the bull than she is her husband. Husband gets to see her and sleep next her pretty much every night, bull gets her maybe a couple of times a month. So who really is the cuck when you think about it?

This is always the headspace I'm in when playing with a couple. I may be younger, last longer, etc. but ultimately get off on knowing he's the one that satisfies her day in and day out. They've been kind enough to indulge me in this fantasy.

Posted: **Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:11 pm**

athlete915 wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:02 am
Within the lifestyle, the natural focus tends to be on the relationship between cuckolds and their wives and between the wives and their bulls. While I think that’s not only natural but also where the prioritization should be, I do believe that the relationship between the cuckolds and bulls is an essential contributor to the success of those other relationships. With that in mind, I wanted to share some thoughts on what I have found makes a good cuckold-bull relationship.

Before I do, I wanted to mention that I realize that the term “bull” is less than ideal (i.e., a big dumb animal that wrecks things). Sadly, I haven’t found a better way to describe a man who specifically enjoys being with couples, including being watched by the husband. Partner, lover, and boyfriend all seem too generic. So, for now, I will go with the imperfect bull.

Okay, back to the cuckold-bull relationship. For starters, a good cuck-bull relationship needs to be based on mutual respect. I don’t care if the relationship also features things like dom-sub aspects or even humiliation (another term I have issues with); the cuck and bull should respect one another. The bull should respect the cuck as a husband and appreciate the cuck for allowing him into the marriage. The bull is also more than just a dildo with a pulse, so the cuckold should respect the bull for what he brings to the relationship. They need one another and should appreciate one another.

The second key is that they should see each other as teammates and never as competitors. They both have the same goal: the wife’s pleasure and happiness. Their ability to achieve those ends will be significantly enhanced if they work together. The husband will know the wife far better than the bull will and can offer insights to the bull on how best to tailor his approach to her unique needs and desires. The better the bull can tailor his approach, the more pleasure the wife will get. The more pleasure the wife gets, the more she will want to play.

Meanwhile, the bull can help provide the cuckold opportunities to play a supportive role (e.g., helping her get dressed for their dates). That’s especially helpful for inexperienced/new cuckolds. My experience has been that cucks tend to be happiest when they have an opportunity to play an active support role. I never want them to feel like third wheels.

Third, while cucks and bulls don’t necessarily need to become best friends, developing a friendship that extends beyond the bedroom will undoubtedly be a positive for the overall relationship. That friendship will improve communication, allowing them to better plan and tailor things for the wife’s pleasure. It will also enhance their mutual respect. Finally, it is reassuring for the wives to know that their husbands and bulls get along. She won’t feel like she has to choose between them since they are working together for her.

So, for the bulls and cucks out there, go grab a beer and watch a game together occasionally lol

Again, the focus for the cucks and bulls should be on the wife, but a little bit of work on their relationship will contribute to the overall success of the broader relationship and the wife’s pleasure. Of course, every cuck-bull relationship is unique and will evolve with time, but I think that general guidance is pretty universal and will pay dividends.

Excellent post with valid points throughout. I'll start by agreeing that I have always found the term "bull" to be rather goofy and very much use alternatives such as lover, fuck buddy, FwB, and the ultimate one would be Boyfriend, which of course I consider a level above the previous ones.

I agree 100% that there should be mutual respect for to and from both parties, the cuck and the lover(s) regardless of the dynamics of the relationship.

Personally, my ultimate goal is to meet my best friend via my girlfriend/wife. For various reasons, I no longer have a best friend/close friend and would really love it if my girlfriend started dating someone who also shared all the same interests as me and came over our home to hang out with the two us and not only to fuck my girlfriend.

The way I think of it is that it would be so awesome to have a buddy who helps work on that project in the garage restoring that old car or modifying it, perhaps training together at the track or in the gym hitting the weights, troubleshooting random issues around the house together, or simply going out for a drink after work and when it comes to my girlfriend, we are all on the same page

Imagine going to the gym, coming home all sweaty and he takes a shower in our place and the girlfriend is free to join him without any problems. I'd love to share my girlfriend with him and be totally open with him about her and him dating.

In the long run if he's my best friend and my girlfriend or wife is in love with him took then i would want him to move in with us and keep my GF/wife happy for the long term. It would be like having a buddy help me with my wife as a team, not a competitor.

Posted: **Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:24 pm**

athlete915 wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:03 am
I developed a more dominant relationship with the husband from my second couple (I was too young and inexperienced with my first couple), so our friendship outside the bedroom was an interesting juxtaposition. It would be interesting to sit in a bar with a friend who also happened to love me taking the lead in the bedroom and who had just watched me fuck his wife and eagerly cleaned her afterward. I certainly recognized the taboo nature of it, but it was also the dynamic that worked for us. In our own way, it felt "natural."

I often imagined that my wife would have a lover (I don't like the term "bull") like you.

Posted: **Fri Aug 30, 2024 12:32 am**

Lovemywifesbf wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 27, 2024 8:28 am

dreamer72 wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:37 am
From my experience consorting with couples and married women, when you pull off all the romanticized fantasy it's just people using each other to boost their own egos and in the end the "bull" is always expendable at a moments notice.

If you want to get really honest and pull back the curtain....a bull is just a cuck too. He's knowingly sharing a woman with another man and she is less committed to the bull than she is her husband. Husband gets to see her and sleep next her pretty much every night, bull gets her maybe a couple of times a month. So who really is the cuck when you think about it?
Ive read about bull drop, when the bull feels empty after sex. Do you know about it?

This is an interesting take on the lifestyle !! LOL !!

I do not use the term Bull.. I am a BF to a wife.

I do not socialize with a cuckold. My relationship with a couple is for sex only.. period. I found quite early that sex between a couple is mixed with the pressures of life.. bills, kids, family, maintaining a home, working their jobs, and maintaining a respectable appearance as expected by society. Sex between them (in my experience) is mostly sporadic and treated as an expected chore as a married couple and often does not include lots of foreplay, time and energy that is required to totally satisfy either of them. The husband cums and is done .. many wives then have to masturbate to bring themselves to orgasm. Many here might not agree with this but it is what I find in my experience.

However, husbands seem to trend with thoughts of his wife being seduced and fucked by another man and is part of his jerk off material. A wife will normally NEVER discuss her fantasies, but deep down inside wishes a bad boy will fuck the hell out if her and that becomes her masturbation material.

Enter a BF !! He comes into the relationship for sex only.. no becoming best friends with the husband or bringing in the pressures of life.. just SEX. the wife now has someone to seduce and fuck the hell out of her !! The deep down desires that flow out of a normally quiet, reserved, society accepted mother and wife is unleashed and incredibly HOT !! Going on a date and fucking a woman doesn’t even come close to the unleashed hidden kinky sex of a wife .. therefore I have lost all desire to be part of the dating scene.. I will take a wife any day for sex. A wife will become someone her husband doesn’t even know while she is with her boyfriend !!

A husband becomes a cuckold very easily and naturally as his fantasies are exposed in front of him. He will accept his wife fucking her boyfriend as long as I assure him that after sex, I am handing her back to him. I do not want to share the “pressures of life” with her.. I just want sex.. unleashed.. with nothing standing in the way. The husband between watching porn and seeing my cock entering his wife realizes he actually has a fascination with cock !! He will want to touch my cock if given the opportunity and cannot stop playing with his dickie while watching. Introducing denial and chastity cages increases his arousal and he will revel in the heightened sexual excitement it brings.

Although i am Alpha and Dominant, I respect the cuckold for his part in the hot wife/cuckold relationship.. as watching his sexual excitement increase also has an arousal affect on his wife. This makes for a very HOT sexual experience for all three involved.

I only meet couples for sex.. and couples only meet me for sex. Dreamer72’s comment above on the Bull being a cuckold also is very interesting take, however I would probably say that I am USING the couple for sex.. and the couple are USING me for sex, which makes for a mutual very exciting relationship.

I am sure that not everyone will agree with my explanation, but it is my experience…

Brad

Posted: **Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:36 am**

bradisalpha wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 30, 2024 12:32 am
I would probably say that I am USING the couple for sex.. and the couple are USING me for sex, which makes for a mutual very exciting relationship.

Exactly.

There are a number of people on this forum who preach that "It's all about the girlfriends/wifes enjoyment and pleasure".

Wrong, wrong, wrong. You are trying to tell me that, out of the three people involved in a cuck relationship, only the wife's pleasure is of importance? Only one persons pleasure, out of three, is paramount? That is a relationship that is never going to last.
What Brad has described is more like a working, ongoing basis for the relationship. EVERYONE is getting the maximum possible out of it.
However, Brad, though you aren't advocating being 'best mates', with the husband, I think you are missing a trick. What 'athlete915' is describing, is actually a system where, as well as being socially friendly with the husband (as well as the wife), he is finding out more about what makes the husband 'tick'. And by finding out more, he's better able to 'press his buttons'. And if he can press his buttons, the husband gets more of a thrill. And the wife sees the husband getting the maximum thrill from her infidelity, which reassures her about the situation. She is more relaxed, she is more comfortable with her bull/boyfriend.

And, if the bull gets a thrill from fucking another mans wife, surely that thrill can be enhanced by playing up to the husbands fantasies and desires. By being friendly, people are more likely to open up and be candid about what they want, what they would like to happen. What 'athlete915' describes, strikes me as someone who has pride in their work.....a professional, almost.

Of course, regardless of the type of relationship, what's wrong with being friendly about it? There's enough hate in the world already. Be nice to people. It normally works out better for everyone.

Posted: **Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:08 am**

trecital wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:36 am

bradisalpha wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 30, 2024 12:32 am
I would probably say that I am USING the couple for sex.. and the couple are USING me for sex, which makes for a mutual very exciting relationship.
Exactly.

There are a number of people on this forum who preach that "It's all about the girlfriends/wifes enjoyment and pleasure".

Wrong, wrong, wrong. You are trying to tell me that, out of the three people involved in a cuck relationship, only the wife's pleasure is of importance? Only one persons pleasure, out of three, is paramount? That is a relationship that is never going to last.
What Brad has described is more like a working, ongoing basis for the relationship. EVERYONE is getting the maximum possible out of it.
However, Brad, though you aren't advocating being 'best mates', with the husband, I think you are missing a trick. What 'athlete915' is describing, is actually a system where, as well as being socially friendly with the husband (as well as the wife), he is finding out more about what makes the husband 'tick'. And by finding out more, he's better able to 'press his buttons'. And if he can press his buttons, the husband gets more of a thrill. And the wife sees the husband getting the maximum thrill from her infidelity, which reassures her about the situation. She is more relaxed, she is more comfortable with her bull/boyfriend.

And, if the bull gets a thrill from fucking another mans wife, surely that thrill can be enhanced by playing up to the husbands fantasies and desires. By being friendly, people are more likely to open up and be candid about what they want, what they would like to happen. What 'athlete915' describes, strikes me as someone who has pride in their work.....a professional, almost.

Of course, regardless of the type of relationship, what's wrong with being friendly about it? There's enough hate in the world already. Be nice to people. It normally works out better for everyone.

I might have made it sound a little harder than I meant it to be. Lol. I do spend time with them and do find their kinks and desires, and I do agree that is very important. The point I was making is that I don’t socialize in other activities or become personally involved in their life. We go out to dinner.. all three of us.. we sit and talk at the house.. we have a couple of drinks.. but it is kept on the sexual side of the spectrum. I don’t say to the husband Let’s go fishing and begin discussing bait and lures, or anything that leaves either one of them out if the conversation.

Brad

Posted: **Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:18 am**

bradisalpha wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:08 am
......but it is kept on the sexual side of the spectrum. I don’t say to the husband Let’s go fishing and begin discussing bait and lures.

Yeah, from other posts of yours, I got the impression that you weren't simply 'fucking and leaving'.
".....begin discussing bait and lures". Hmm, a surefire way to make the wife's eyes glaze over!

Posted: **Fri Aug 30, 2024 3:30 am**

As trecital notes, and brad agrees, that part of getting to know them both closely has some very positive advantages. It's not always possible given the personalities, but I much prefer being able to get those insights of how and what she is thinking from her husband's perspective - and that can be best when those are discussed *either* in that "cucky mode" or, setting the role aside for a moment, in a more "eyes wide open heads up" discussion, with the "best" depending on what sorts of things are being discussed, how eager she is or how long it has been since .

Having some experiences where it wasn't possible I've enjoyed more the openness of those where it is, and though we don't share social situations or fly fishing techniques there have been situations where collaboration in getting her to an appointment while her flat tire was being fixed was as comfortable for all as one could ever imagine.

Pushing buttons (his or hers) has often been a ver nicely erotic thing for both, and being able to step into play mode or out seems also to make the button pushing even more "effective" in fostering thrills. I enjoy it all.

Prof Wood

Posted: **Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:26 am**

Frankly I am jealous. I wish I could make a friend of her boyfriend.

One thing that may be relevant to husband’s developing relationships with boyfriends is we only swing together. She does not go out on dates with anyone. I am there each time a guy comes over.

We do some talking in the kitchen before the sex, and talk in the bedroom after the sex. So it is very clear to him – and us – that this is all about sex.

But...there were 2 occasions when we tried to expand the relationship. With one guy we offered him to stay for a casual dinner a couple of times but he said he has other things to do.

But get what happened with this second guy. We met him and bunch of times over app. one - 1.5 years. So one time my wife was so proud of her lasagna, she packed some for him to take home.

Well ...that did it. We never heard from him again! I think many of these guys have trouble with relationships in general.

I have always found that you cannot be friends unless you share something in common. There is no seemingly right time to go out on a limb and for me to ask a guy to go out for a drink or whatever.

We are in the DC area and traffic can be really bad and that does affect guys need to “get on the road”.

I guess everybody’s’ experiences are very different.

Posted: **Thu Sep 05, 2024 9:55 am**

trecital wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:36 am

bradisalpha wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 30, 2024 12:32 am
I would probably say that I am USING the couple for sex.. and the couple are USING me for sex, which makes for a mutual very exciting relationship.
Exactly.

There are a number of people on this forum who preach that "It's all about the girlfriends/wifes enjoyment and pleasure".

Wrong, wrong, wrong. You are trying to tell me that, out of the three people involved in a cuck relationship, only the wife's pleasure is of importance? Only one persons pleasure, out of three, is paramount? That is a relationship that is never going to last.
What Brad has described is more like a working, ongoing basis for the relationship. EVERYONE is getting the maximum possible out of it.
However, Brad, though you aren't advocating being 'best mates', with the husband, I think you are missing a trick. What 'athlete915' is describing, is actually a system where, as well as being socially friendly with the husband (as well as the wife), he is finding out more about what makes the husband 'tick'. And by finding out more, he's better able to 'press his buttons'. And if he can press his buttons, the husband gets more of a thrill. And the wife sees the husband getting the maximum thrill from her infidelity, which reassures her about the situation. She is more relaxed, she is more comfortable with her bull/boyfriend.

And, if the bull gets a thrill from fucking another mans wife, surely that thrill can be enhanced by playing up to the husbands fantasies and desires. By being friendly, people are more likely to open up and be candid about what they want, what they would like to happen. What 'athlete915' describes, strikes me as someone who has pride in their work.....a professional, almost.

Of course, regardless of the type of relationship, what's wrong with being friendly about it? There's enough hate in the world already. Be nice to people. It normally works out better for everyone.

There are tons of great points here, as expected.

I agree that there are definitely people who take the "It's all about the girlfriends/wifes enjoyment and pleasure" mindset to the extreme. I will say that her pleasure should be the primary focus, but that is simply because if she isn't enjoying herself, the cuck and bull won't be able to either (or at least shouldn't). But just because her pleasure is the primary focus doesn't mean it should be the only focus. The cuckold's pleasure matters, too. If he is unhappy, he will stop supporting his wife and bull. Finally, if the bull isn't satisfied, he can take his talents elsewhere. None of that is good.

On the other hand, if the wife, cuck, and bull are all happy and satisfied, that's awesome. That's the virtuous cycle where everyone's pleasure and happiness feed off and support one another. No one feels like a third wheel or undervalued.

And you're spot on that the relationship between the husbands and me is about altruism. Like you said, the better I get to know the husband, the better I can tailor my approach to him. The better I tailor my approach, the happier he will be. The happier he is, the more supportive he is. The more supportive he is, the more I will have her.

Additionally, the husband knows his wife far better than I do. If we have a good relationship, he will give me insights into her that it would be a challenge to gather independently. That similarly lets me tailor my approach to her, improving my ability to please her.

In the end, taking a couple of hours to grab some beers and watch a with the husband can pay huge dividends. Sure, we don't need to become BFFs, but we can and certainly should be friendly.

Finally, sometimes people think just because there is sex and/or dominance involve that all manners can be cast aside. I very much disagree. You can be a bull and not an asshole (excuse my language). You can be dominant and not a jerk.

Posted: **Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:08 am**

Tryagain wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:26 am
Frankly I am jealous. I wish I could make a friend of her boyfriend.

Honestly, I feel bad for you two. You deserve better partners.

If someone that I have an intimate relationship with, albeit a sexually focused one, asked me to have dinner, I would say of course. It would be a chance to get to know them better and could even be fun and flirty. I may even get another round with her afterwards...

And the lasagna thing is just weird. She does a kind, sweet thing for him, and he ghosts? The correct response is thank you, it was great, and I can't wait to have some fun sex with you while your husband watches us soon.

None of the above is high-level math. It's basic interpersonal skills that these dudes seem to lack. Please don't feel like their issues should reflect poorly on either of you.

And you're right that you need some common ground beyond a mutual interest in your wife, but it's pretty easy. Go to a Nats game and have some overpriced beers. Talk about current affairs, working out, work, what you're reading, something you watched recently, etc. Again, it's basic interpersonal skills. They should also have the drive and confidence to initiate hanging out with you, and not force you to do it.

Finally, DC traffic sucks, but I have a great idea of what the three of you could do while waiting for rush hour traffic to end lol. If anything, it's a good excuse to have a longer session

Posted: **Thu Sep 05, 2024 2:11 pm**

Tryagain wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:26 am
I have always found that you cannot be friends unless you share something in common.

Your wife?

Posted: **Thu Sep 05, 2024 2:17 pm**

athlete915 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:08 am
.....it's basic interpersonal skills.

Which, sadly, not everyone has

Posted: **Thu Sep 05, 2024 9:56 pm**

The Bull and the Husband should see themselves as partners. The husband looks after her in all the normal ways and I attend to her pleasure and satisfying her hungry pussy and seeing that both of them get a regular supply of my semen to keep them both happy and content. It is the cream that bonds the 3 together.

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