poppag wrote: ↑Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:23 am
hi Michael,
looking forward to those recreated conversations, they will probably fill in a lot of blank spots.
You said that the contract say you are to be treated respectfully, but don't you miss the teasing or and dare i use the word, humiliation you got when Jen was with her former boy friends. Like the wrestling matches. Like sucking cock. Or the time Brian showed you some of his collection of videos He and Jen made, where she begged him to stay permanently and then Brian became dominant with you.
You have said that Jason is not into any of the gay stuff. But Jen knows that this is a very large part of your cuckolding fantasy, since you are being denied and sexual contact with Jen and Jason, have you ever thought about having sex with another man? or having another fling with someone like Cassie? There is nothing in the contract to prevent this. Although I know you love Jen too much to cheat on her. Maybe Jen and Jason could chose someone for you to have sex with. Thus they could still control your sex life.
have you ever been alone with Jason and asked him how you could do make it better for him. Is there something you could do that would make their experience better. even though his experience seems pretty good right now. How about Jen, has she or you suggested to each other something that could enhance their experience. Maybe like a spring break vacation somewhere just the two of them go. You at home waiting.
What about other big holidays, birthdays, anniversary and the upcoming anniversary? how have the celebrations been?
I personally find your story to be one of the best I have ever read on this or any other forum dealing with hot wives or cuckolds. I am glad that you decided to return and allow us to be flies on the wall again. As long as you keep telling your story, I will keep reading.
just saying
Jen still teases me, mostly when she and I are alone. The respect rule doesn't prevent that. The respect rule means that I'm given respect as an equal member in the household even though Jason and Jen are the couple. It also means that I have to respect Jason and Jen's relationship. Just because I'm an equal in the household, that doesn't mean that I get an equal say on stuff that just has to do with their relationship.
I know the contract doesn't say anything about me having sex with someone other than Jen. But, I'm sure you remember that after what happened with Cassie, Jen realized that she doesn't want me having sex with other women. As far as having sex with dudes on the side, that's not something that I've considered. I have no interest in looking for those sorts of loopholes in the contract. Nothing good can come of that. I really don't want to screw up the good cuckold situation that I have going right now.
Jen and Jason seem fine with the status quo. I think all they really need from me is to just leave things as they are. It's funny that you mentioned the vacation thing though. Jason and Jen are going away for spring break at the end of the month.
As far as special days, not much changes. We still celebrate. Even last year's wedding anniversary. We still acknowledged it and celebrated it. Except that Jason got laid and I didn't. I also got to watch from inside the bedroom, which is always a very special treat. Jen also teased me about it the next time that we were alone, which I was grateful for.
Thanks for being so supportive!
xleglover wrote: ↑Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:53 pm
The contract is really hot. I wish the best for you and your Jen.
Thanks!
trdd wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:41 am
That contract is hot, but insane too.
You mentioned that if you gave Jen an ultimatum that you think she would choose Jason over you. Is that
really what you think would happen? Or is that just the cuckold part of you speaking?
The reason I ask is that if she would choose him now given an ultimatum, why wouldn't she choose him a year and a half from now if he gives her an ultimatum?
The whole situation is undeniably hot for anyone who fantasizes about denial and submission. But the way you have written it gives me a little bit of a sick pang in the pit of my stomach. I know, it sounds like you are living your fantasy but how can you be sure you won't lose your wife? I suppose no one is ever sure of a question like that ... even if they are in a vanilla relationship. But this is such an extreme case.
Is Jason really a person who can live as a couple with Jen for such a long time and then just give her up? Is he the type of personality where it can be just about the sex and romance for a year-and-a-half or longer and then turn all of that off? Of course the same question goes for Jen too. And that's even more important, isn't it?
Things have been going very well. Jason and Jen have been living up to their end of the contract. I haven't had any complaints. If I suddenly freaked out for no reason and demanded that Jen break up with Jason and that he moves out, I feel like that would be an incredibly shitty thing to do. Jason and Jen are a couple and this is Jason's home too now. If I suddenly gave Jen an ultimatum for no reason, I wouldn't be surprised if she chose to stay with Jason. And I wouldn't blame her for making that choice. I'd like to think it goes both ways though. That Jen would be equally offended if Jason gave her an ultimatum for no reason. It seems unlike Jason though. Things are so much better between him and I this time around, ever since we talked things out. I've recreated that conversation and will share it at the end of this post. I think it'll explain a lot.
Bubbagmp wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:51 am
Trdd brings up an interesting point of "is this contract written with prejudice as to what he wants it to be?. Fantasy vs. Reality - I see a lot of OP's here who believe their in control of the game, they never are, it's an illusion (I will call "fantasy").
The OP is never in control of the game, the game will play out as it was intended based on the players involved. The OP is 1 of a minimum of 3 in the game, the OP has control over himself and interaction with the immediate players. The OP has no ability to control the other players. The OP has no control of Jason &/ Jen adding players to the game. Either in any of the two telling an immediate friend (potential contract infringement? ) or Jason sharing Jen.
Technically adding sex partners, not a contract violation, as long as J & J are in mutual agreement, OP doesn't have a say.
I deal with contracts, great at stating what you mutually agree to, not great on conveying what you believed it would/should be. Right or wrong, you're bound by the contract.
Michael, you have to look at what the reality is in the long term. You can't predict how Jason feels about Jen by May 2020 (same goes for Jen). Maybe Jen gets this fantasy out of her system, and burns out on Jason and the game.... only time will tell.
The big question is, does she really see you as a non-viable sex partner in your M?
Would you really be ok, just paying the bills, doing housework, raising someone else's kids, while being married to her? Because 3yrs from now, this could be your future reality. Enjoy the ride.
BTW, I am guilty of setting up/playing out what my fantasy would be, only to have players with different agendas change the outcome, yeah reality can be a bitch.
You make some really good points. You're right. I'm not in control of Jason and Jen. There's always that chance that things might not go according to plan. But, things are going well for now. I'm happy with the situation.
I'm going to backtrack right now and share two conversations that took place before Jason and Jen officially got back together. One is a conversation between Jen and I and one is a conversation between Jason and I. I think these conversations will help to explain a lot.
Jen had pretty much blindsided me with the whole idea of Jason coming back into our lives.
“Jason and I have been bumping into each other on campus,” Jen said matter of factly one day. “It just feels right, Michael. I want to get back together with him. He doesn’t care whether or not we come out to family. He just wants to be with me again.”
“I don’t know what to say,” I replied, not prepared to deal with this.
“I was worried you’d be upset,” said Jen. “But, this was part of our deal, wasn’t it? Part of me living like a single college girl means that I’m completely free to get into a serious relationship with whoever I want. Including Jason. Besides, you wanted me to find a guy to replace you with. Remember?”
“Yeah, and you were so eager to get out of having sex with me that you even considered becoming exclusive with Ben,” I replied. “And now it’s back to Jason, even after everything that happened with him?”
“It wasn't just about getting out of having sex with you,” Jen responded. “I just felt like every time you and I had sex, I was wasting that amazing pass you’d given me. And I didn’t want it to go to waste! What's the point of having the freedom to experience a relationship with another man, if I'm not doing anything with that freedom? I was still bummed out over breaking up with Jason. I wasn’t up for starting from scratch, so I thought maybe I could settle for Ben? But, that was a stupid idea. You and I both knew that I didn't really want to be exclusive with Ben. You told me that I wouldn’t be happy settling for Ben and I knew you were right. Can you say the same thing about Jason though? Can you tell me without lying to me that I wouldn’t be happy being with Jason again? It's Jason that I want to be with. And rather than starting over and trying to find another guy like Jason, I can have the real thing! I can be back together with Jason! So this is where you get to practice being a good friend, Michael. Tell me, as a friend, what’s the right thing for me to do here.”
“Fine,” I said. “As a friend, I think you should at least consider everything else that bothered you about Jason and not just the coming out thing. What about his rules? What about how uncomfortable he seemed being around me? It's like he didn't want me around at all.”
“For the record, Jason never asked me to break up with you or anything even remotely close,” Jen insisted. “It was all just awkwardness. And that awkwardness was because we didn’t tell him just how much you enjoy me fucking other guys. He wondered how you could possibly be okay with being replaced sexually. He wondered how you didn’t hate him? So, yeah, he was awkward being around you. What did you expect? He was in the dark about how much you were in on everything. As for his rules, you should just go ahead and blame me for that. Jason didn’t exactly demand that things had to be a certain way. It was a mutual agreement that he and I came to. After I'd told him that I wanted to be exclusive with him, he and I talked about what that meant. Like did I really want true exclusivity between him and I or would it just be one-sided because I'm married to you? So I told him that I wouldn’t do anything with you that I wouldn’t want him doing with another woman. And, based on that, he and I came up with the rules. He and I came up with them together, Michael. And I ended up getting really into it! It was fucking hot telling you that you weren’t allowed to touch me sexually or to see me naked anymore, telling you that my body belonged to Jason! I was so turned on watching you accept the rules and seeing you be subservient to Jason! I was all about it! The sex between Jason and I was already fucking amazing, but it got even better from then on!”
As I listened to Jen's confession, I was getting an erection under my clothes. I knew at that point it was no use to argue. I was just going to give in anyways.
“Fuck it,” I said. “I have no objections. If you want to be with Jason, be with Jason.”
“For real?” Jen asked. “I didn’t think it would be this easy.”
“After dealing with the possibility of you being exclusive with Ben, of course I prefer you getting back together with Jason,” I responded. “At least Jason is a real man. And we both know you don’t want to have sex with me when you can have Jason instead. We could talk about it all night and we’d just be going around in circles, coming to the exact same conclusion that you and Jason should be a couple again. But, I do need to know that this is just temporary. When you were with Jason last time around, you and I had stopped being a couple, Jen. And no matter how hot it was watching you and Jason be a couple in front of me, it was also the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do. If I know for sure that there’s a definite cut-off point, then I feel like I maybe I could just sit back and enjoy being your platonic friend for now and not stress about what the future holds for us. So I need you to promise. Promise me that once you’re done with college, we can go back to having sex.”
“I can do that,” Jen answered with what seemed like total sincerity. “But, now I need a favor from you.”
“What’s that?” I asked.
“I need you to talk to Jason one-on-one,” Jen replied. “He wants to be on good terms with you, Michael. He wants to know that you’re really okay with all this before we go forward. Basically, I need you to convince Jason that you're totally fine stepping aside for him. I need you to convince him that it's okay for him to replace you.”
This favor Jen was asking only turned me on more. Not only was I agreeing to be replaced by Jason again, I was agreeing to talk Jason into replacing me! Aside from being hot, I also saw it as an opportunity to maybe get some concessions out of Jason.
“Is there something specific I’m supposed to say?” I asked.
“No, nothing specific,” Jen answered. “I mentioned the cuckold thing to him, but I didn't really explain it a whole lot. I didn't tell him that you and I had planned on me replacing you. I didn't know how we would take it. I want Jason to feel special and not like some prop for your cuckold kink. I'll leave it up to you what you want to tell him. But, maybe go easy on the details? Just tell him enough so that he understands you’re cool with everything, but don’t overwhelm him. Don’t scare him off. Please. Please do this for me, Michael. After college, you and I can go back to having sex. I promise! Do we have a deal?”
“Yes,” I answered without hesitation.
“Good,” said Jen with a smile. “I don't want to put this off. I want you to talk to him tomorrow. This is real easy, Michael. Jason and I already agreed to get back together. All you have to do is put him at ease. Just convince him that you're on his side. As for tonight, you can have one last mercy fuck!”
“Slow down, baby!” Jen said as we had sex. “If things go well, this will be the last time you and I have sex for a very long time! Make the most of it!”
I slowed down.
“That’s better,” Jen continued. “So much better! So, what would you prefer? What do you want your last time to be like? Do you want me to pretend to be into you? Or do you want me to talk shit? Whichever you prefer, baby!”
I thought about it for a moment.
“Let's pretend,” I replied. “No need to talk shit. I'll already know you'll be fantasizing about Jason.”
“You got that right!” Jen said with a giggle. “Okay, here I go pretending to be into you!”
I really enjoyed the sex I had with Jen that night. Lots of touching, grabbing, kissing, passion. For me it was the passion of one last night of sex with my wife. For Jen it was probably the excitement of knowing that I’d be in the friendzone afterwards and she’d be with Jason again.
I held Jen afterward. The two of us lying together naked. I knew I wouldn’t have this again for a long time. So soon after orgasming, that was a very scary thought. At that moment, I was second guessing my agreeing to let Jason back into our lives. But, I knew that all I had to do was hold out a little bit and then I’d be right back to wanting it. So, that’s what I did. I held out until the post-orgasm angst started to go away.
“Tomorrow will be cake, Michael,” Jen said to me as I held her. “Everything is pretty much set. Jason just needs your blessing. Since you’re already on board, so it’s just a formality. No big deal. Please don’t fuck it up.”
I laughed. “You should have more faith in me,” I replied with a chuckle.
“I have faith,” Jen responded. “I’m just saying don’t fuck it up.” Jen giggled.
“Don’t worry,” I said. “Come tomorrow, you and Jason will be official and I’ll be in the friendzone.”
The next evening, Jason and I got together at a nearby cafe and talked. Part of me was worried about being overheard, but I didn’t see anyone I knew. So if someone overheard, then so be it.
“Thanks for meeting me,” Jason said.
“Yeah, of course,” I replied.
Jason was polite. He asked how I’ve been and stuff like that. I did the same. Then came the real reason for our meeting.
“So, Jen and I want to get back together,” said Jason.
“I know,” I said. “That’s why we’re here. Jen said you wanted to talk to me about it first. Get things squared away between us.”
“Yeah man,” Jason responded. “Look, until Jen came along I’d never been with a married woman. I’m not looking to be a homewrecker. But, Jen’s personal ad said her husband was fine with her seeing other guys. So I figured okay, I’ll just go for it. And she and I hit it off. But, then things got serious fast. Suddenly Jen and I were a couple and she stopped having sex with you. It was weird for me being over at your place because I thought there’s no way that you could possibly be okay with being cut off like that. But, you were always nice to me. So, it’s nothing you said or did. But, I don’t want a repeat of not knowing where you and I stand. If I start coming over again, I need to know that you’re not sitting there fucking wishing I was dead. I need to know what your deal is.”
“Jen told you I’m a cuckold, right?” I responded.
“Yeah,” Jason said. “She said you’re into her being with another guy. For real though?”
“Yes, for real,” I said.
“So how does that work?” Jason asked. “You really don’t mind Jen and I being exclusive? Like, you're into it? Or are you just putting up with it because that’s what Jen wants? Like, don’t you get jealous? Don’t you miss getting laid?”
“Yeah, I do get jealous,” I replied bluntly. “And I do miss getting laid.”
“So you are just putting up with it then?” Jason asked, confused.
“No,” I answered. “I get turned on by Jen being with another guy. I really liked it when you and her were together. But, that doesn’t mean that I never got jealous or that I didn’t miss getting laid.”
“So you’d rather you and Jen still have sex with each other and maybe Jen just fucks around on you a little on the side?” Jason asked.
“Jen isn’t into me though,” I replied. “I remember when she and I first started dating and she joked sometimes about how I wasn’t her normal type. Then she started having sex with my best friend before she and I even got married. I knew about it and was fine with it though. We had threesomes and stuff.”
“I don’t know if I could ever do something like that,” said Jason bluntly. “I’m just not into that kind of threesome stuff. It’s not a fantasy of mine. I’m not some gay hater or anything like that. I’m just personally not into trying out anything that involves another dude. But, anyway, go on with what you were saying. You know that Jen isn’t into you, but you’re good with that?”
“It is what it is,” I replied. “All that stuff Jen told you, about her not being into me, about her marrying young and us agreeing that she should be free to do her own thing for now while she’s in college; that’s 100% true. It’s because I’m a cuckold that it works. Even if I’m not getting laid, at least I’m getting off on knowing my wife is having a good time with another man.”
“You don’t need more than that though?” Jason asked, unconvinced.
“I’d like more,” I replied. “I get that you don’t want Jen doing anything with another guy that she wouldn’t want you to do with another woman. And it's totally fair that way. That’s how it should be. And Jen likes it that way. She doesn’t want to mess around with me at all while she’s with you. I can respect that. But, maybe you can at least let me watch the two of you sometimes? I’m not even talking about letting me into the bedroom. Maybe just leave the bedroom door open sometimes. Also, I wish you didn’t feel like you and Jen have to run off to the bedroom to hide from me the moment you start having foreplay. Just do your thing like you would if I wasn't there, then go to the bedroom when you're ready. I like watching more than anything else. Even watching foreplay is at least something. It's hot. It’s not as hot as watching Jen have sex, but it's still crazy hot. And if I’m not getting laid at all, then watching is all I’ve got. I don't mean a creepy kind of watching. Not the kind of watching where you and Jen are putting on a show for me. Just a chill sort of watching, where you and Jen don’t have to go hide all the time. Where the three of us can just hang out together as friends and the two of you can just be a couple around me and do whatever comes natural.”
“I get it now!” Jason said, like he was having an a-ha! moment. “You like to watch! Your thing is watching Jen with another guy! That’s how come you can put up with her not being into you! Because you want to watch her with another dude!”
Such an oversimplification, I thought.
“Yeah, basically,” I replied, hoping Jason’s oversimplification was a good thing. I was actually starting to worry that I was fucking up this meeting even though I’d promised Jen that I wouldn’t.
“So you weren’t mad at me that I was with Jen!” Jason continued with a smile. “You were mad that we didn’t let you watch! You weren’t getting laid, but you would've been cool with that if you at least got to watch. But, we didn’t even let you watch! That’s so crazy! Because, I thought I was being rude if I acted too much like Jen’s boyfriend in front of you! I didn’t want to piss you off!”
I decided to just go with it.
“You and I just didn't understand each other back then, I guess” I responded. “But, you seem to get it now.”
“I can make sure that Jen and I leave the bedroom door open sometimes,” Jason replied with a sincere smile. “Also, I really do want to just be Jen's boyfriend in front of you and not feel like I'm disrespecting you. I guess I was looking at it wrong before.”
“Yeah,” I responded. “Just treat me like a close friend and roommate.”
“I wish!” Jason said with a laugh. “I mean I wish it were that easy. But, I've always got it in my head that you're Jen's husband.”
“Yeah, but she's not into me,” I replied. “She's into you.”
“And you don't mind stepping aside and just being treated like a friend and roommate?” Jason asked.
“I promised Jen that while she's in college, she's basically single,” I replied. “That she can do whatever she wants with whoever she wants, including having a boyfriend. If Jen wants to experience being exclusive with a guy who she's into sexually while she's in college, then that's what she should do. Now's the time to do it. I want her to be able to have the experience that she wants. To get it out of her system.”
“So the two of you are basically taking a break from being a couple. Okay, I get it!” Jason said in that same way like he was having another a-ha! moment.
It was another oversimplification, but again I just went with it.
“You got it!” I said with a smile. “Jen and I are taking a break from being a couple. You and her are the couple. So it's okay to just treat me like a close friend and roommate, because that's all I am right now. Sure Jen and I still have to put on a show for relatives and some friends, but that's because at some point Jen and I are planning on being normal and starting a family and we don't want a reputation following us and our kids around.”
“Okay,” Jason replied. “I gotcha. By the way, Jen said the same thing about being low key around some people. It makes sense, what you and her are saying. I'm fine with that. I just thought that it would be hard being open around some people but not others, so I figured we'd just sort of have to tell family eventually. But, maybe I don't want everyone in my family knowing I'm in this kind of situation. So if you think we can pull off being discreet, I'm down. Let's do it!”
“Yeah,” I said. “I think we can pull it off. And it's mostly just for family. People who don't really come over anyways. Jen and I go to them. So it doesn't really change much for you and Jen. You can still openly be a couple on campus and even off campus. Except every now and then Jen and I will have to pretend to be normal when we see family.”
“It's not a problem,” Jason assured me with a smile. “But, I gotta ask you something.”
“Shoot!” I replied encouragingly.
“What if Jen finishes college, but still doesn't want to have sex with you? What if she doesn't miss sex with you even after going so long without it? It could be that she ends up getting used to not having sex with you. And what if Jen and I are still into being a couple after college? Are you saying you want us to break up the moment Jen graduates?”
“Can you promise me you'll keep this part of our conversation between you and I?” I asked. “I want to know I can trust you with some stuff that's meant to be heard just by you and me.”
“Yeah, man,” Jason replied sincerely. “Say what you need to say. It's between you and me.”
“Jen isn't into me sexually,” I responded. “But, she is into you. Very, very into you. And starting immediately, the two of you are going to be a couple again. Jen’s going to be your girl and not mine, Jason. That’s what she wants. I want her to have that experience. I want it too, for myself. I’m curious to have this kind of intense cuckold experience. I’m not going to have another chance like this later on. I already thought about it and I agree with you about what might happen. I agree that Jen will get used to not having sex with me. And I really doubt she’s going to miss it. She’ll also be used to being your girl. And you’re going to be used to being her guy. The two of you may not want to suddenly break up the moment college is over. That's something that I need to be ready for and accept ahead of time. I don’t expect to have much of a say in it at that point. That decision will be up to the two of you as a couple and not up to me. The only thing I want is for Jen to keep her promise to go back to having a sexual relationship with me. Even if the two of you are still a couple after college, I at least want Jen and I to be able to start working on becoming sexually active again. I need you to be okay with things slowly moving in that direction after college is over. You have your own life plans, Jason. You don't want to be in this situation forever. And Jen and I want to be normal and start a family at some point. So after college, things have to at least start to move in that direction. Even if they move very, very slowly, they still have to be moving. Does that answer your question? Is that reasonable?”
“Yeah, that's cool,” Jason replied. “I really hope you know that I don't want to steal Jen away from you, Mike. I know this is just temporary. I'm good with everything you just said.”
“I'm glad,” I replied with a smile. “Besides, you forgot about another possibility. That I might get so used to watching you and Jen, that I might be the one who's not ready for the two of you to suddenly break up right after college!”
“Shit, man, that's fucking crazy!” Jason laughed. “I better make sure to leave that bedroom door open a lot!”
After that, Jason and Jen were officially back together and they've been together since.