Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

[slenderfish]

I have been keeping up with your thread, SF, and have to say that the couples therapy seems to be having a positive effect.
Yes, SW is still SW, high strung and skittish, but she seems more relaxed and accepting of her own sexuality, and can even refer to it in casual conversation with you, and appears to be much more at ease.

The physical barrier has been broken between her and Mr T, that is a good thing. Maybe it will now progress to full body massages and more.
As long as she is leading the way, she should be happy.

Hey Ballspank.

On this exact theme, an update.

Yesterday she had an "out of pattern" private session with Mr. G. Later in the day, as SW and I were heading to dinner, she noted that it's almost time to purchase the next block of workout sessions with Mr. G. It's not inexpensive, let's just say that.

SW said that while it may be a bit pricey to have these sessions, etc. "Mr. G says you like it and support it" is what she said next.

I really had to hold my tongue and not fully say what I wanted, but I did say "Yes, I like it in so many ways, as you know, and of course support your private sessions with Mr. G, whatever you want" and left it at that.

[BallSpanking]

So ... Mr G said you (SF) like it and support it?
That means SW and Mr G must have had a conversation about it.

[lkh96]

Why in the world would you act a little weird around him? It’s not like he slept with your wife. Right, SW? That’s an awfully unusual comment from such an innocent woman.

My kind of humorous comment. Just love it!

It's exactly what I was thinking when she made that comment.

So I will do my best to act normally, like a buddy. But of course I will be observing tiny hints, and especially her behavior which is different around him.

I will be thinking of the video images of all the other girls leaving the party, but Mr. B clearly knowing to stay. Of her in the shortest of skirts, her laughing and sitting on the love seat with him, laying back in his arms, his long arm around her shoulder and back and hand on her thigh, under her ass, etc. Her putting on one of her favorite songs and prancing around the pole, shaking her ass in his face, saying "you like that?" out loud and then settling even closer into his cozy embrace, her head and hair on his lap, legs dangling over the arm of the love seat.

Her saying "I'm not going to kiss you" but just about 15 minutes later, his taking her by the hand and leading her to my bedroom for the night.

Her coming back out about 10 minutes later, in her panties and thin sleeping shirt, nipples protruding, turning off lights and closing the blinds, etc. getting the house settled for the night.

And thinking about her riding him, his pounding her, doing some of the things to him that she does to me. I know her style, her process, etc.

His sneaking out just before 7 a.m.

Duh, SW!

But I'll keep my game face.

So, SW is sleeping with Mr.B and hiding it from you ??

[CuriousUK]

Man, you play it soooo cool, makes me think of the saying ‘patience of a saint’! Please keep doing what you’re doing, and keeping your many fans up to speed. I really do sense you’ll have a big update/revelation for us sooner rather than later

[CuriousUK]

So ... Mr G said you (SF) like it and support it?
That means SW and Mr G must have had a conversation about it.

Yep, on the face of it that’s how it sounds. However, SW plays her part so ridiculously well, I don’t think I’d take anything she says at face value. She knows just which buttons to press and precisely when (and I, for one, adore her for it)

[Mr Mrs Cream]

"Mr. G says you like it and support it

Does he know about all the cuckold stuff?
Maybe you may be present during the massage session?
So he will be sure what he is doing.
Apart from that his wife would be not jealous when he will tell her that you are during massage.
You may talk with SW about such possibility - so there would be benefits for all of you.
Mr. G will give SW more during massage and you will be a policy for visibility in case of his wife.
And apart from it, it will you give you lots of pleasure.

[slenderfish]

So, SW is sleeping with Mr.B and hiding it from you ??

This goes back to Aug 2020, the start of this string, when she decided to go ahead and develop and execute "Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water" as I labeled it.

[slenderfish]

So ... Mr G said you (SF) like it and support it?
That means SW and Mr G must have had a conversation about it.

I'm starting to think this may be true.

[Tryn]

Remind me of when your birthday is. I believe Pinky is planning to give you your biggest fantasy by then. Well, in theory! If she’s anything like my wife, which she totally is, it’s likely that she’s forgotten she ever promised that.

[solstice]

At the risk of me being over pessimistic, could you be flogging a dead horse in expecting SW becoming a bonefide hot wife? She knows what you desire, but is determined to plowing her own furrow, banking on her considerable good looks to keep you in line, and hoping for continuation of her privileged lifestyle: You undoubtedly are the best husband a woman could wish for, but are getting the short edge of the stick. apologies for the anglophile idioms.

[BallSpanking]

So ... Mr G said you (SF) like it and support it?
That means SW and Mr G must have had a conversation about it.

I'm starting to think this may be true.

If SW and Mr G have spoken about your desire for a HW, encouraging her to hook up with him ...
The only thing that would keep them from acting on this (if they haven't already), would be his commitments or limitations.
If they seriously had the hots for each other, it is clear to them they have your blessing.

It also reminds me of the New Year's resolution SW promised you, promising your greatest fantasy could come true.
I think your girl keeps a lot of things close to the vest. I wonder if she hasn't already started seeing Mr G.

[slenderfish]

Remind me of when your birthday is. I believe Pinky is planning to give you your biggest fantasy by then. Well, in theory! If she’s anything like my wife, which she totally is, it’s likely that she’s forgotten she ever promised that.

Birthday is in early summer.

Yes, I've also wondered about her remembering or forgetting her proclamation. I think I need to gently bring up the subject.

[slenderfish]

At the risk of me being over pessimistic, could you be flogging a dead horse in expecting SW becoming a bonefide hot wife? She knows what you desire, but is determined to plowing her own furrow, banking on her considerable good looks to keep you in line, and hoping for continuation of her privileged lifestyle: You undoubtedly are the best husband a woman could wish for, but are getting the short edge of the stick. apologies for the anglophile idioms.

Not the best husband, but I do try. Perhaps I'm better on paper or on here, versus real life.

But I take your point.

She clearly knows the desire, she's had two separate men since agreeing to give it a whirl, but has been on the sideline for some time now.

Signs are that it's not out of the question, but at the same time, it's certainly not anywhere near the immediate present.

And then there's that birthday proclamation, her flirting regarding Mr. G, her comments and circling back to Mr. B (tomorrow night), etc.

[slenderfish]

So she went in to her trainer at on a different day? Anything unusual about her after she came home?

Nothing really unusual. I tried to pay close attention but was working.

It was that same night that she made the comment about his telling her he knows I like it (her private sessions, working out with him). So that is perhaps itself unusual. This conversation was on our way to a spin class; notwithstanding that she worked out with Mr. G, she and I were scheduled to do the class. We had plans to go directly to dinner afterward, to a healthy food place near there.

[Mark K]

Was the food good?

[afagehi7]

I know you're not one to take advice, and I ask myself why I bother. You always come back with some reason why you can't/won't.
I guess i must be as stubborn as you.
Tomorrow night, why don't you get Mr. B off to the side and ask him? You can talk in circles better than anyone I know. Surely you can get him to admit to you that he had sex with SW.

I disagree, he's not going to fess up. I certainly wouldn't. He knows nothing positive can come from telling the truth. He also rightfully thinks it's between husband and wife. Plus he's smart and educated and has been a player for a long time. This probably wouldn't be the first time.

No sense starting any issue at this point. The truth always comes out but it'll take a while.

[rooster444]

'Healthy Food & Wine, the Hotwife Diet' Love it!

[slenderfish]

Was the food good?

Funny you ask this. I tend to resist going to these "healthy food" places for four main reasons:

1) Pretend food. Vegetarian lasagna, for example, where the pasta is some kind of whole-wheat (or other) and the cheese is not even cheesy. I mean, if you are going to try to get me to believe it tastes like real lasagna, at least use cheese (even if low-fat or skim cheese)!

2) Portions too small. If I'm only half full after a dinner where I'm eating pretend food, it's the wrong outcome.

3) Premium cost. They are serving half the portion and using substitutions for meat. Isn't meat the most expensive ingredient? Why should it cost more?

4) Service issues. The people working there are basically using the healthy-forward branding as the magnet to get you there. Therefore, they do not put a premium on great service. They know people will come back because they are committed to this healthy image.

But I'm a team player and I've taken a personal challenge to be flexible. I have been moving through the menu trying to find what I can actually eat and enjoy. Roasted Brussels Sprouts are filling and yummy. And a Margherita Pizza is very basic, difficult to ruin. So I go with that pair and am satisfied ($25 plus drink plus tip).

And SW is happy we can eat together, etc.

Not to mention she is still in her workout gear with spandex and the manager dotes on her whenever she goes there. Which is apparently a lot!

[slenderfish]

'Healthy Food & Wine, the Hotwife Diet' Love it!

Yes, I suppose all that working out and healthy eating does leave room for the wine and its calories, etc.

[slenderfish]

I know you're not one to take advice, and I ask myself why I bother. You always come back with some reason why you can't/won't.
I guess i must be as stubborn as you.
Tomorrow night, why don't you get Mr. B off to the side and ask him? You can talk in circles better than anyone I know. Surely you can get him to admit to you that he had sex with SW.

I actually thought about this last night. But it is not the place to have this conversation with SW present, even if around the corner. Too much that can unravel quickly. Too risky.

I am more of the mind set of asking Mr. B to come early and have a cocktail at the house while SW is invariably running late and primping. To show him the progress on the 95% completed remodel. In that circumstance, I have the control and SW is out of earshot. I

I considered that my approach would be to mention that I am open to him and SW "getting busy" if she is game. That provides him an opening but is not accusatory, etc. And it could serve as an on-ramp for the future, rather than orienting merely to the past.

[slenderfish]

A quick update and summary.

Last night I went out with some very close guy friends. One of them works at a wealth management firm and he has gotten several of these friends as clients. He knows he won't get me, because my son is in this same business, but a different firm. But he values my input and invited me as one of the guests to his client-appreciation dinner. There were six of us at the newest and coolest new restaurant in town, a high-end steak place with all the fancy stuff. One of our group brought in a somewhat rare bottle of Bordeaux-region wine. The food was fabulous, we had a huge tomahawk ribeye steak for the table and several other seafood entrees, appetizers, sides, and full dessert. I deliberately avoided looking at the bill. Wealth management firm, thank you!

And this friend is in the middle of a divorce with his hottie wife. He knows that SW and I are kind of on "his side" in the divorce, and SW has already started feeding him hot girlfriends to date. This is the friend we went with to the 70th birthday party of that super-wealthy guy, about a month ago.

SW stayed home alone. Actually, she got a bit dressed up and went on the early side to the healthy food place noted above. I remember wondering where she was going, in that she went out of her way to get dressed up. I mean, not fancy but certainly eye-catching. And more dressed up than this place would normally expect. Looked like she was heading out to a casual date night. But I was distracted by my plans.

I arrived home around 11:00 p.m. and the house was so dark, I thought she must be out. But she was sleeping.

She woke up briefly and murmured that she wanted to get a good night's sleep and be ready for Friday.

I'll also observe that she is anticipating a big and late night, in that she asked me to move our workout plans from Saturday morning to Sunday morning. She pretty much expects to be sleeping off a hangover or similar.

Today she has Mr. G during the day, then we have that dinner with Mr. B at a high-end restaurant not far from where we live, with the fabulous view. It's a "splurge" kind of restaurant, that you might go to once or twice in a year.

I'm really getting gluttonous this week.

I'll be watching SW to see her comings and goings with Mr. G, and then her preparations for the Mr. B dinner. She really does go to extra efforts and does get this other energy when it comes to Mr. B. I chuckle a bit because she accuses me, when in reality she is the one injecting (pun intended) the unusual energy and intrigue into the scenario.

I predict she has a special hair appointment in advance and that she will be all-a-flutter in getting ready for the dinner.

Note that the dinner reservation is not as early as she would have liked, so there is at least an hour available in advance for cocktails, etc.

I must admit I'm a bit excited about today.

[slenderfish]

I know you're not one to take advice, and I ask myself why I bother. You always come back with some reason why you can't/won't.
I guess i must be as stubborn as you.
Tomorrow night, why don't you get Mr. B off to the side and ask him? You can talk in circles better than anyone I know. Surely you can get him to admit to you that he had sex with SW.

I disagree, he's not going to fess up. I certainly wouldn't. He knows nothing positive can come from telling the truth. He also rightfully thinks it's between husband and wife. Plus he's smart and educated and has been a player for a long time. This probably wouldn't be the first time.

No sense starting any issue at this point. The truth always comes out but it'll take a while.

Agreed. I noted my plan in a separate posting. If there is a chance to have that conversation, I'll grab it. But it's probably a long shot that the conversation will go there. I just want to be prepared, and believe I am now prepared.

It's been quite some time since we've seen Mr. B. I am probably not going to be continuing any business efforts with him. He is not sophisticated enough with his company, and it's just too slow and frustrating for me. My team has been begging me to let it go. I think it has effectively been let go.

[Tryn]

Appreciate your updates and answers! A couple things to consider.

1) Mr. G’s comment could be based upon your enjoyment of SW’s rocking body as a result of the workouts. I know we all wish it was hotwife related, but more likely not related to the hotwife desires, nor fantasy of SW riding a BBC. Just my hunch.

2) Perhaps the angle with Mr. B is to verbally recognize how much SW likes the stipper pole, how hot you think she looks using it, how she asked you to set it up again, and how your voyeuristic nature loves it when you get to watch her work her magic and other guys liking it too. Throw in you’re such a perv that way, but it’s all good as long as everyone is having fun. Then judge his comfort and see if “I bet she gave you a killer show that night I was out of town” seems appropriate. He’s a pussy hound and pussy hounds usually like to brag when they feel the moment is right. Set the tone for making the moment right for Mr. B.

[afagehi7]

I know you're not one to take advice, and I ask myself why I bother. You always come back with some reason why you can't/won't.
I guess i must be as stubborn as you.
Tomorrow night, why don't you get Mr. B off to the side and ask him? You can talk in circles better than anyone I know. Surely you can get him to admit to you that he had sex with SW.

I actually thought about this last night. But it is not the place to have this conversation with SW present, even if around the corner. Too much that can unravel quickly. Too risky.

I am more of the mind set of asking Mr. B to come early and have a cocktail at the house while SW is invariably running late and primping. To show him the progress on the 95% completed remodel. In that circumstance, I have the control and SW is out of earshot. I

I considered that my approach would be to mention that I am open to him and SW "getting busy" if she is game. That provides him an opening but is not accusatory, etc. And it could serve as an on-ramp for the future, rather than orienting merely to the past.

I would let sleeping dogs lie... Too risky and hard to save face.

I think getting him out of your business circle is good, next out of your life. You don't need friends like that

[slenderfish]

I would let sleeping dogs lie... Too risky and hard to save face.

I think getting him out of your business circle is good, next out of your life. You don't need friends like that

Pretty much agreed. Business is sunsetting and personal has been essentially non-existent for at least 18 months. SW was the one who reached out to him for tonight, and then let me know. She didn't ask me.