It might actually happen after years of telling me no.

[Whenwillshe]

There are so many layers to this but Lana seems to be moving to polyamory from hotwifing.
Not sure this is the direction for you W.
Lana loves you but seems to have a sneaky, selfish side that sometimes takes over.

[falzar]

To gauge her emotional attachment to Shawn, ask her at an unguarded moment if she was sad when she said goodbye to him at the airport:

[parmaham55]

To gauge her emotional attachment to Shawn, ask her at an unguarded moment if she was sad when she said goodbye to him at the airport:

Good question, and another along this line will be more detailed questions about the share/swap event. You'll want to hear all about Brad, but also try to gauge how she felt about watching Shawn with Michelle? That's a big step for Lana to deal with in her emotions, seeing her boyfriend with someone else. Did Shawn really pound Michelle in the way he can, or was he more protective of Lana's feellings? Had he been with Michelle before? etc.

I'm sure we all have many, many questions! Good luck on her return and your reconnection. Safe travels for precious Lana and baby.

[mundyman]

W, you can get a knock off cobra chastity cage with 4 different sizing rings from Amazon or eBay for less than $40. They have different sizes but it should be about the size of your flaccid dick or a little smaller. This prevents an erection from starting which is whatakes it painful. You need to make sure the holes in the cage line up with the hole you pee out of so the pee doesn't back up.

It's a lie that you can't come in chastity, any high powered vibrator on the cage will do that. But it does amp up the feeling of helplessness and angst.

I wear it to get horny and my wife loves teasing me in it. I do not wear it full time but I have slept in it once or twice. It's a great distraction and when Lana is away it would put you in a subspace as it is a constant reminder of you not getting any.

Just saying it would be a cheap investment and may keep things going at home. Rather than not having sex, you are denied and it can help change your attitude about service and sex.

Also, thank you for all you have shared. I love this adventure and it's comforting to hear you tell it!

It's an interesting concept - denying oneself the ability to even get an erection. On a conceptual level, I understand how it might play in well with a lot of the kinks that are associated with this lifestyle, but I still don't think it's something I would want to do out of the simple fact that it looks like a medieval torture device, lol.

I’m sure Brad has a humongous dick. They grow on trees.

I've always assumed it's about perception.
If you have a 4" cock, 4" looks normal to you, 6" looks big.
Throw in a cuckold scenario and all the feelings that go with it, I imagine 6" might seem more like 7-8".
8-9" looks normal to me, I imagine if I saw half the "monster" cocks people talk about on this forum, I'd be like pfft, that's small.
I'm not saying w770 or Lana are exaggerating but most people know the effects of beer goggles, I feel like there's probably such thing as sph goggles too lol.
I doubt many people stop to measure for the sake of the retelling on here

I know what you mean. But 'w770' has always been at pains to let us know a great deal of detail about his life......how busy he is, or isn't, when he walks the dog, etc, etc, etc. If I'm to believe all of the other information, then why would I question the size of the cocks of Lana's lovers? No, if 'w770' says "massive cocks", with statements, I think, of 8", then why should I selectively disbelieve that, and not the rest of what he says?

I think a part of the "massive" perspective is that I feel that the majority of guys are bigger than me - from porn stars, amateur porn videos, all of the guys in the last few months, etc. Take that on top of the fact that Lana and I have been together for 15+ years, it makes it seem like a lot of cocks out there are of the monster variety, espeically those that Lana needs two hands to stroke.

W, how many times have you masturbated since she’s been gone?

W, Any word from Lana? Was it just a swap or a full on orgy? What was the video that was sent and did you cum yet?

I've been masturbating but have been able to hold off on cumming until last night. More on that in the update with what I came to.

More than playing with Shawn’s friend, I think it’s be way more exciting to hear if Lana played with Melissa. Either eating or being eaten out by the girlfriend

Lana's really not into the idea of being with a girl like that. She's joked around before that it would be a nightmare for her to be a lesbian as women can be quite annoying, especially after you sleep with them.

W
You may have done this before but is there a celebrity that Lana looks like.
Thanks

She gets told that she looks like Elizabeth Turner quite a bit. I'm not sure if she's a model or actress, but after looking her up, Lana definitely has a lot of resemblance to her.

Quick Update: As expected, Lana won't be coming back tomorrow. She's thinking possibly Wednesday or Thursday. They're going to get a hotel room tonight so she can focus on work in the next few days. Funny - she texted me a picture of her cuddled up next to Shawn as they're in their bathing suits at the wellness spa, but my phone shows me the notification as a small thumbnail before I ever open up the message. My friend happened to look over my shoulder and saw Lana's name at the top of my screen and the thumbnail. It wasn't overly obvious what the image was, but you could tell there was a lot of skin. "Oooh, naughty pic from the wife? It's nice that you guys have found a way to keep the fire going after being together for so long." If only he knew, lol.

Could he tell it was another man cuddling with your wife?

I think someone might be able to tell if they were half expecting to see something like that, but it was so brief that I think all he saw was skin and he quickly turned away as he didn't want to be encroaching into what he thought was a sexy picture from Lana of herself to me. He also never mentioned anything the rest of the day so I don't think he ever was aware of what he almost saw.

Any post is a great post and appreciated. The next few days will be tough. Make sure you have plenty of reclamation sex and fuck Lana good when she eventually gets home. You have to be getting something out of this as well. Shawn must be getting off fucking Lana knowing your baby is inside her. Now his friend has fucked her does he know he is fucking a pregnant woman?

How have you told friends and family where Lana has gone and why she is staying away longer. It should be raising a few eyebrows and curiosities. Especially because of her pregnancy.

Keep the fires burning no problem there. You will have a lifetime of fires now that Lana knows and has experienced true feelings of what real fucking is. You just need to hang on and enjoy the ride. As of said before it has happened now after years of trying.

“She's thinking possibly Wednesday or Thursday.”
Face it. She will be there until next Sunday or Monday. She’s going to say, “it’s close to the weekend anyway so why take a work day off to fly back?”. Just enjoy the week by yourself and the dogs.
Thanks for keeping us updated.

Well the cover story was that Lana would be in the city with her friends. Her family had a few dinner plans and events over this last weekend so that kept them away. Lana also speaks with her mom on the phone almost every day, and I think she's kept up with that, but she's been good at deflecting the conversation and no one is really aware of what she's really up to. I also forgot that we have some family obligation we have to attend this coming Saturday, so I know Lana won't be staying past Friday.

W
Lana could have you fly out to Cali next weekend to be her and Shawn's submissive slave cuck. You could then have
a lot of the humiliation you crave even involving some of his friends. It would be far removed from your vanila life.

Actually, Shawn was hoping that I could join Lana on the trip this past weekend as he quite enjoyed the interaction between the three of us at the end of last year. But it was too hard with finding accommodations for the dogs, plus they had a vet appointment, and I had promised a friend that I would be there for his bday, so it just wasn't possible.

Are you going to survive another 3-4 days without cumming. It will be worth it though when you get to reclaim her. Her pussy may be properly wrecked by Thursday.

I tried to hold out as long as possible, but I blew my load last night.

“She's thinking possibly Wednesday or Thursday.”
Face it. She will be there until next Sunday or Monday. She’s going to say, “it’s close to the weekend anyway so why take a work day off to fly back?”. Just enjoy the week by yourself and the dogs.
Thanks for keeping us updated.

I’m feeling like this might be the ultimate outcome as well. Lana seems to have a habit easing W into complete plan to make it more palatable for him. Three days sounds better than 5 days which sounds better than 9 days.

I wonder how many L bombs have been dropped this weekend.

Have y’all had a chance to speak privately over the phone since she’s arrived? If so, have you asked her if they’ve told each other, “I love you,”? If not, do you plan to?

Funny you guys should mention the L word. More on this in the update.

Go for a run, try to clear your mind and then go to sleep.

She will be home in a few days and you will get to hear everything while you are reclaiming her. Hang in there. Just think how well fucked she will be when she returns.

That's really hard when reality causes the kind of pain you are not seeking. I know it would feel better to have your beautiful wife with you to buffer the sharp knives' wounds.

Of course, you've made it through harder times, and you'll make it through this, but life just sucks sometimes.

Remember the thrills you've had recently, and you can look forward to some thrills coming up, hopefully seasoned with the delicious kind of pain that you crave.

Were you drinking with your friends tonight W? If you are sober, it might not hurt to give Lana a call to get some form of affirmation of affection or mental comfort. Cali is 3 hours behind you so it won’t be super late to give her a buzz.

Moral of the story is that Lana's libido has not gone up post pregnancy, but elevated to another level. It's just that she doesn't find sex with W exciting anymore. W, I hope you won't seek the path of being pretty cutoff from sexual life with Lana.

You have a group of friends here that understand you the most when times get tough. Give Lana a call and let her know things are a bit rough at the moment with everyday life. Tell her you love her and can't wait to see her. It sounds like she should come back sooner than later as some suggest may happen. Don't let her stay longer than what she has suggested to be her return. Keep ya chin up we are rooting for you.

You have a group of friends here that understand you the most when times get tough. Give Lana a call and let her know things are a bit rough at the moment with everyday life. Tell her you love her and can't wait to see her. It sounds like she should come back sooner than later as some suggest may happen. Don't let her stay longer than what she has suggested to be her return. Keep ya chin up we are rooting for you.
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Yes - well said. Totally agree. We're here for you, especially with a lifestyle that's hard to share with other friends. Stay strong, and I'd say be sure to let Lana knows how raw you are. It's not weakness, it's love. She can't really mind read you from afar, and she can only respond and act on it if knows.

Thank you for the words of support. It was a tough night, and yes, I was drinking with my friends, and again by myself after my friends left so that likely compounded how I was feeling. I appreciate the advice and concern. The gym helped this morning so my mind is clear again. It's one of those mornings where I have a bit of time before work starts as it's rainy quite heavily at the moment, so I'm going to wait until later to take the dogs out.

Update: So I texted Lana as I feeling down last night if she could talk. There was a slight miscommunication as she thought that I was hoping for a "sexy" sort of chat instead of a more reality based conversation about how I was feeling and how I missed her. Not her fault, as it's hard to decipher tone and other non verbal communication through text. She responded with a FaceTime, and when I had answered, there she was on the couch with Shawn. There was a bit of banter between the three of us, but it was hard to find the space to tell Lana that I just wanted to talk to her alone instead of the three of us. Before I knew it, I heard Shawn ask Lana, "do you think he wants to see what I've been doing to his sexy little wife all weekend?" It may have been the alcohol, but the next half hour seemed like a blur to me. They had set up the phone by the tv, and proceeded to take each others clothes off, giving each other oral, and right before Shawn was about to cum in Lana's mouth, he told her to ride him like she rode Brad. I watched her straddle him on the couch, reach back and guide his cock into her married pussy, the both of them moaning in unison as he slid into her, one inch at a time. I feel like I watched her just sit on his cock like this for an hour, but obviously it wasn't that long. It was hard to hear what they were saying to each other, but they were clearly kissing amorously, his hands reaching back behind her and squeezing her ass, giving it a light spanking every so often, right before he starting lifting her up and bracing her back down, repeatedly until she told him that he was about to make her cum. "Show your husband, baby. Show your husband how much you love this cock." About 30 seconds later, I watched as her juices started coating his shaft and her body tremble. I was trying my hardest not to cum, but it was getting near impossible.

Now comes the part that I was not ready for. After a bit more kissing, I heard them talking to each other for a bit, a little giggling from Lana, followed by Shawn picking her up, walking over to grab the phone, and looking directly at the camera. As he saw me there, naked and stroking my dick, he said, "Did you like watching that?" "yeah..." "Good." Then I heard him say something to Lana in her ear to which she responded by saying loud enough for me to hear, "Make love to me, Shawn. Take me to your room and make love to me."

A bit of shuffling of the phone, and the next thing I know, they're in his bedroom. Shawn propped his phone up on a nightstand and I watched him slowly make love to Lana in missionary. Lots of kissing on her lips, then her neck. Her legs up in the air eventually wrapped around his waist as he told her that he was about to cum, "Cum with me, Lana." He waited until she was nearing her orgasm and they both finished together. After he came deep inside of her, Shawn asked her if she liked making love in front of me. Her hands on each side of his face, "yes baby. That was amazing." They eventually grabbed the phone and saw me there, covered in a few days worth of cum, having blown my load watching them together. Not fucking. Making love. It was different, and I can't confidently say that it was hurtful or arousing or something in between.

Shawn then took the phone, looked into the camera and said, "hope you enjoyed the show, dude." and hung up.

I debated whether I wanted to potentially ruin the moment, but I still felt that I needed to talk to Lana about everything. So I waited about 20 min and texted her, "hey can we just talk, you and me?" The angel that she is, she called me a few minutes later in a separate room where I told her all about how I missed her, how it sucked doing all of our weekend things by myself, how I was feeling about their love making. She apologized repeatedly with a lot of sincerity in her voice, telling me that she had no idea I was going through that stuff and how the love making was something she thought I would like. We made plans for her return, and it looks like she'll be coming back Tuesday morning, which means she'll be back home later that night.

I also woke up to a few texts from her this morning that she sent in the middle of the night. Apparently Shawn wants to have some arrangement where she is his girlfriend and he's her boyfriend. He said he would try to arrange for moving to the east coast in order to make it happen. She told him that things will be changing with the baby so she doesn't know how that would work. It's a lot to discuss but definitely something we have to talk about when she's back home.

Thanks again for the support. Great community.

I also woke up to a few texts from her this morning that she sent in the middle of the night. Apparently Shawn wants to have some arrangement where she is his girlfriend and he's her boyfriend. He said he would try to arrange for moving to the east coast in order to make it happen. She told him that things will be changing with the baby so she doesn't know how that would work. It's a lot to discuss but definitely something we have to talk about when she's back home.


This is such an incredibly bad idea!
Shawn has obviously caught some serious feelings for Lana.
But the real question is has Lana caught serious feelings for Shawn?
All of a sudden this trip out West to see him doesn’t seem so random and sudden. Have Lana and Shawn been talking about this trip and each other without your knowledge. Have they been talking longer than you are aware?
Perhaps this trip out West was to see if they really had a thing and to solidify their plans. Then Shawn would bring up wanting to be Lana’s boyfriend and she his girlfriend. Like for real and serious.
There is something about this whole trip and now his move to be boyfriend and girlfriend that just doesn’t smell right. There is definitely something not adding up,here. And I think you are the odd man out.
This is a move into polyamory, and unless you want to be your baby’s caregiver as a stay at home Dad while Lana and Shawn live their lives together, I would put your foot down and refuse to agree to this.
A pregnant women’s hormones can make them think and do some really rash and out of character things.
I think you need to sit Lana down and tell her this idea is a definite no go.

[lovethis]

Mundyman great advice as usual. Unfortunately or fortunately w770 opened up pandoras box. Are you happy you did. Would it have been better to introduce her to the lifestyle later on after your plans to have a few kids. Is your future and more importantly your unborn child's future assured that they will grow up within an environment where both biological parents are still in a relationship. This lifestyle comes with risks. More risks than a vanilla relationship has, when it comes to children, although some still fail. Kids also mean sacrifices. What sacrifices are you and Lana prepared to make to give your child the best a parent can give.

Time for that talk. Tell Lana you don't think Shawn moving to your location is in the best interest of your family. You Lana and baby.

[rascalnvixen]

w770, You are in a difficult situation with these latest events. I agree with others Shawn's moving close to be BF & GF is a bad idea. Having him visit a few times a year would probably be ok and keep him in the special friend zone, but not to move close to where you live. As far as her feelings about him being BF, keep in mind that she has several life changing events happening for her in the near future. First, she's finally going to be a mother and everyone has their own view of what a mother is and should be. She has her own view and it is likely not as a hotwife. Second, she's had a great life as a sexy, in shape and fit woman who she knows is desired by many men she encounters on a daily basis. As she approaches middle age, she knows and expects that part of her fabulous life is probably near an end. That is not to say that she won't still be sexy and HOT, just that she won't be that young thing that can do everything she wants any time. Her lifestyle will definitely change and she knows it.

So, I said all of that to say this. There is a good chance her idea about her relationship with Shawn might be influenced by her thinking this is part of a last fling as the sexy and exciting woman she has been for close to 20 years. It is something you should bear in mind as things progress in time. She probably has some regrets at being a mom and getting older. That's not to say she isn't happy about being a Mom and looking forward with great excitement to it, just she knows this is a life changing time for you both. I encourage you to be patient but at the same time be ready to be THE MAN in her life to keep everything in perspective and under control. Sometimes that means you do have to put your foot down and say NO to some of the things that are being talked about. Her "last fling" thing won't last forever and in the end I think she will love you even more for keeping a critical eye open for you as a couple. I don't post very often these days but I felt compelled to share my thoughts with you. Good luck and I'll be following!!!

Rascal

[w770]

Thanks for the update. It looks like Shawn has really fallen for Lana. Her travel to Cali has allowed her to live with Shawn
as a couple for a few days. It is not just sex anymore but seems like a relationship is building. They have been doing things that a couple does ie spa, biking ,meeting friends etc. If he moves out east you three could develope a poly relationship where her main sex comes from Shawn and you assume a supporting role. You may be denied PIV since Shawn will own her pussy and share it with whome he wants to. You need to find out how emotionaly Lana is attached to him. In the past the videos you got from Shawn showed intense fucking now the vids show her making love and doing things that couples do, not just sex.
Wish you the best but be aware of how things can get out of control when NRE ramps up

I also woke up to a few texts from her this morning that she sent in the middle of the night. Apparently Shawn wants to have some arrangement where she is his girlfriend and he's her boyfriend. He said he would try to arrange for moving to the east coast in order to make it happen. She told him that things will be changing with the baby so she doesn't know how that would work. It's a lot to discuss but definitely something we have to talk about when she's back home.

Thanks again for the support. Great community.

Not a bad idea for you and Lana down the road but Shawn has no idea how little free time mothers of newborns have in the first year alone with the maternal instinct of being around their babies so there wouldn’t be any late night trysts.

The positive is that you don’t have to worry about him trying to steal Lana from you. The “making love” part was for you to hear. If he was in love with her or trying to woo her away from you, he would have kept her all to this weekend instead of sharing her.

You know next time if you want a one on one with your wife just text her like you did after they fucked. That must have been tough but was it good as well? She loves you and understands you so the call to come home early by her was a good one. How is Shawn handling it. Shawn needs to be reminded that this is a fantasy that you and Lana share and nothing else. He is a player that gets to enjoy your wife only because it gets you off with her fucking others, and seeing your wife satisfied also gets you off.

I think discussions about boyfriend girlfriend can wait. As time goes by does he really want to show off a heavily pregnant girl as his girlfriend when the baby is not his? Also what happens when your child is born. Are you going to be the care giver for the baby and the dogs while Lana is out being a girlfriend to Shawn. You have to be included whatever you decide even if it is denial as long as you are getting what you intended out of it and it is discussed often with Lana so that she knows where your mind is at and you know where her mind is at.

Shawn must care for Lana if he is willing to move to another city for her knowing he can only have her occasionally while she has to care for her child, you and your relationship. Or is he willing to co-parent with you. Again he needs to be reminded that he is part of a fantasy that the 3 of you can enjoy
Both of your views on life may change in an instant anyway. The moment your baby takes its first breath lives change. It is very emotional and you must be in the room when it happens. It is better than anything you have ever imagined. Immediately motherly and fatherly instincts kick in to protect nourish and care for the new life made by the two of you. Boyfriend girlfriend? Shawn? maybe later. How later? that's up to you both.

I don't think you will ever consider Adam in your life.

There are so many layers to this but Lana seems to be moving to polyamory from hotwifing.
Not sure this is the direction for you W.
Lana loves you but seems to have a sneaky, selfish side that sometimes takes over.

To gauge her emotional attachment to Shawn, ask her at an unguarded moment if she was sad when she said goodbye to him at the airport:

To gauge her emotional attachment to Shawn, ask her at an unguarded moment if she was sad when she said goodbye to him at the airport:

Good question, and another along this line will be more detailed questions about the share/swap event. You'll want to hear all about Brad, but also try to gauge how she felt about watching Shawn with Michelle? That's a big step for Lana to deal with in her emotions, seeing her boyfriend with someone else. Did Shawn really pound Michelle in the way he can, or was he more protective of Lana's feellings? Had he been with Michelle before? etc.

I'm sure we all have many, many questions! Good luck on her return and your reconnection. Safe travels for precious Lana and baby.

This is such an incredibly bad idea!
Shawn has obviously caught some serious feelings for Lana.
But the real question is has Lana caught serious feelings for Shawn?
All of a sudden this trip out West to see him doesn’t seem so random and sudden. Have Lana and Shawn been talking about this trip and each other without your knowledge. Have they been talking longer than you are aware?
Perhaps this trip out West was to see if they really had a thing and to solidify their plans. Then Shawn would bring up wanting to be Lana’s boyfriend and she his girlfriend. Like for real and serious.
There is something about this whole trip and now his move to be boyfriend and girlfriend that just doesn’t smell right. There is definitely something not adding up,here. And I think you are the odd man out.
This is a move into polyamory, and unless you want to be your baby’s caregiver as a stay at home Dad while Lana and Shawn live their lives together, I would put your foot down and refuse to agree to this.
A pregnant women’s hormones can make them think and do some really rash and out of character things.
I think you need to sit Lana down and tell her this idea is a definite no go.

Mundyman great advice as usual. Unfortunately or fortunately w770 opened up pandoras box. Are you happy you did. Would it have been better to introduce her to the lifestyle later on after your plans to have a few kids. Is your future and more importantly your unborn child's future assured that they will grow up within an environment where both biological parents are still in a relationship. This lifestyle comes with risks. More risks than a vanilla relationship has, when it comes to children, although some still fail. Kids also mean sacrifices. What sacrifices are you and Lana prepared to make to give your child the best a parent can give.

Time for that talk. Tell Lana you don't think Shawn moving to your location is in the best interest of your family. You Lana and baby.

w770, You are in a difficult situation with these latest events. I agree with others Shawn's moving close to be BF & GF is a bad idea. Having him visit a few times a year would probably be ok and keep him in the special friend zone, but not to move close to where you live. As far as her feelings about him being BF, keep in mind that she has several life changing events happening for her in the near future. First, she's finally going to be a mother and everyone has their own view of what a mother is and should be. She has her own view and it is likely not as a hotwife. Second, she's had a great life as a sexy, in shape and fit woman who she knows is desired by many men she encounters on a daily basis. As she approaches middle age, she knows and expects that part of her fabulous life is probably near an end. That is not to say that she won't still be sexy and HOT, just that she won't be that young thing that can do everything she wants any time. Her lifestyle will definitely change and she knows it.

So, I said all of that to say this. There is a good chance her idea about her relationship with Shawn might be influenced by her thinking this is part of a last fling as the sexy and exciting woman she has been for close to 20 years. It is something you should bear in mind as things progress in time. She probably has some regrets at being a mom and getting older. That's not to say she isn't happy about being a Mom and looking forward with great excitement to it, just she knows this is a life changing time for you both. I encourage you to be patient but at the same time be ready to be THE MAN in her life to keep everything in perspective and under control. Sometimes that means you do have to put your foot down and say NO to some of the things that are being talked about. Her "last fling" thing won't last forever and in the end I think she will love you even more for keeping a critical eye open for you as a couple. I don't post very often these days but I felt compelled to share my thoughts with you. Good luck and I'll be following!!!

Rascal

Most of the posts in the last few days have been about the notion of Shawn and Lana becoming boyfriend/girlfriend so I figured I'd group my reply into all into one. I'm pretty much on the same page as the community on this one and that it's not the best arrangement to have Shawn move out here. I'm sure that Lana will change along with her priorities in the coming months so it's not a realistic concern that I have but it is a topic and discussion that needs to be made clear either way.

Update: As I was starting work, I received a video from Lana's phone. It was from Shawn's POV as he hovered over Lana, laying on her back in a hotel room bed with her mouth open as Shawn jerked his thick cock and sprayed her with his cum, grunting the entire time. She licked up any remaining cum that was still on or in his cock and swallowed. He then laid down next to her and turned the camera on their faces, and she cuddled up next to him. "That felt so good, Lana. Tell your hubby how many times we just fucked." "3 times." "And how many times did I make you cum on my cock?" "5 or 6?"

They both giggled and cuddled up more as Shawn aimed the camera at his cock. "She woke me up this morning sucking on it." I heard them both laugh some more before the video ended.

I have to leave in about 15 minutes to go pick her up for the airport. And after that, I'm assuming we'll be reclaiming the rest of the afternoon.

Thanks as always for the advice on the gf/bf thing. Seems like everyone is on the same page with this one.

[proudhusb217]

I just don't think Shawn realizes what he'd be getting into by moving out there. Lana won't have time for him at the end of her pregnancy or when she has a newborn to care for. Eventually she'll be able to go see him while you watch the kid. You probably won't want him at your place much so your child doesn't find out.

It would be convenient for Lana to have a "boyfriend" nearby, since you both seem to thrive on that. But he'd have to have his own life and not be disappointed when she prioritizes her family far above him.

[TheHammer]

Hope her pussy hasn’t tightened all the way back up on her flight back so you get a loose pussy to reclaim!

[mundyman]

I understand what others are saying about Shawn not realizing what he would be getting into with a baby around and Lana being busy, but I disagree.
I think he totally knows what he would be getting into and so does Lana. Given how W has given Lana basic Carte Blanche to spend weekends at her lover’ places, both Adam and Shawn, and now a trip across the country to leisurely fuck and act like a couple, why would Lana or Shawn expect things to be any different once he moves East and the baby is born.
Given W’s submissiveness and willingness to let Lana fuck her boyfriends seemingly at her her convenience and leisure, W’s encouragement of such behavior, and W’s comfort with humiliation and being very second to Lana’s big cocked lovers, why wouldn’t Shawn and Lana expect W to play wet nurse for the baby while they continue to enjoy the good times they have together.
W has set himself up in their eyes to be the dutiful house husband and babysitter while Lana continues to get her itch scratched by her hung boyfriends.
Yes, Pandora’s box has been opened, Lana’s true personality is coming forth and she is loving her ability to live this lifestyle while her hubby encourages and facilitates her behavior.
Lana’s flame is burning hot and bright, and if W isn’t careful it will burn his house down.

[sandy691196]

Frankly I didn't see this one coming.
After Lana got pregnant and Adam went into gangster mode, I thought W and his babe have settled down into new parents mode mentally..Playing appeared to be an option that may come up later.

This Hotel California adventure raises a lot of issues. We shouldn't try and second guess a couple, in whose shoes we ain't walking. Just the sex part doesn't describe the entirety of a relationship. But L is now confirmed to be a highly sexed lady who would stretch and stretch for a lover to an infinite extent.
The BF - GF talk could be sex hormones talk rather than sensible talk.. Kinda heat of the moment. L may see the absurdity of it playing out in her pregnant state.
But one thing is for sure, after the baby comes, L can do anything with the right guy.. One from amongst the bulls we have met till now or a new one.. Her limits are totally unpredictable. W tends to go along.

Let's hope they work things out in the long run.

Sandy

[lovethis]

My hope is always and in all other forums is the integrity of the relationship. The sanctity of it amongst the chaos we all as hotwife cuckold husbands thrive on. A hotwife, hot girlfriend lifestyle is only possible if the relationship thrives and both partners get whatever they desire out of it and that it remains intact. There is nothing of interest to me if the relationship fails for whatever reason. There is no hotwife if she has left the husband. I cringe i get angst for the husband for the many desires and compromises he normally makes to keep the wife happy but have to accept that it is his journey and we don't know all the details. We are only privileged to a tiny segment of ones writing. Still number one is communication as has been mentioned on many an occasion.

[3532734dreamer]

Hi w770.

Thank you so much for sharing your journey. It has been incredible following it. First catching up and then waiting in anticipation for new developments.

It was the reason why I joined this site before the summer, after basically not sleeping for three nights (that was the only time I could do the reading). Besides being tired, I was excited, invigorated and moved by what you have been experiencing.

I do not (and probably never will) have this kind of lifestyle. My SO (together for over 15 years) is not interested. So I live through others. But your journey caused a shift in me and a realisation. I was very focused on the sexual aspect before. But as I read I started to understand the deeper emotional aspects too. The emotions between the couple (for example Lana and yourself), the emotions with the external partners (Lana and Shawn/Adam - I see two different types of relations there), and also your feelings dealing with the humiliation (light) angle. You taught me more about myself, what is possible, and what I could be ok with in a way I had not realised before. So, thank you.

I was a bit surprised (though pleasantly, and excited that your journey isn't over yet) to hear that things started up again with Shawn - and how quickly). I always prefer your (the two of you) interactions with him. I never fully understand Lana's relationship with Adam - I understand the lust and raw sexual desire there but have trouble seeing more, especially since besides having a big dick he was also a big dick (though what she did, that trip into the city, acting like nothing was up and not sharing details with you, while you both danced around what was really going on - absolutely incredible of her).

With Shawn it seemed different. I'm unsure if it's because he was the first and therefore the two of you where naive, open, almost innocent in a way (even though Lana did consciously send you guys off the precipice). But that relationship really opened my mind. The two, even three, of you were exploring your way into something new. And then tackling the emotions that started to arise from it along with the (sometimes difficult) communication and openness. He also seems like a much nicer guy than Adam.

So after Lana became pregnant and things became quieter, I was left with my thoughts wandering back to the beginning, and how things could have developed but didn't. What ifs, if you will.

What if Shawn played it cooler and didn't push the love angle so soon and Lana hadn't described their middle of the night sex as love-making (like slow sex, instead)?

What if Shawn's parents place in Florida didn't get damaged and he and Lana had another few weeks / month to continue their interactions, sex, love-making, bonding?

My SO is the type of person who develops feelings for the person she sleeps with. What I hadn't expected was how much more the emotional dynamic brings to the relationship. I was very focused on my SO being sexually gratified and satisfied, but had not realised that it would be incomplete for her without an emotional connection to the person who was satisfying her. And then I realised that I could be ok with it. Or at least the thought of it heighten everything for me (anticipation, arousal, challenges to overcome).

I hope Lana has a safe trip home and the two of you get some excellent reconnecting. And wish the two of you well.

[armyguyot1]

Welcome to the forum 3532734dreamer .

[w770]

I just don't think Shawn realizes what he'd be getting into by moving out there. Lana won't have time for him at the end of her pregnancy or when she has a newborn to care for. Eventually she'll be able to go see him while you watch the kid. You probably won't want him at your place much so your child doesn't find out.

It would be convenient for Lana to have a "boyfriend" nearby, since you both seem to thrive on that. But he'd have to have his own life and not be disappointed when she prioritizes her family far above him.

These are my thoughts as well. I think everything will change when the baby comes including Lana's mindset. Her priorities will be nothing like they are now.

Hope her pussy hasn’t tightened all the way back up on her flight back so you get a loose pussy to reclaim!

Reclaiming was crazy intense. Will update in the update.

I understand what others are saying about Shawn not realizing what he would be getting into with a baby around and Lana being busy, but I disagree.
I think he totally knows what he would be getting into and so does Lana. Given how W has given Lana basic Carte Blanche to spend weekends at her lover’ places, both Adam and Shawn, and now a trip across the country to leisurely fuck and act like a couple, why would Lana or Shawn expect things to be any different once he moves East and the baby is born.
Given W’s submissiveness and willingness to let Lana fuck her boyfriends seemingly at her her convenience and leisure, W’s encouragement of such behavior, and W’s comfort with humiliation and being very second to Lana’s big cocked lovers, why wouldn’t Shawn and Lana expect W to play wet nurse for the baby while they continue to enjoy the good times they have together.
W has set himself up in their eyes to be the dutiful house husband and babysitter while Lana continues to get her itch scratched by her hung boyfriends.
Yes, Pandora’s box has been opened, Lana’s true personality is coming forth and she is loving her ability to live this lifestyle while her hubby encourages and facilitates her behavior.
Lana’s flame is burning hot and bright, and if W isn’t careful it will burn his house down.

Well Shawn brought this idea up while they were in the haze of lust, so my guess is that reality and the impracticality of these ideas will hit him once the euphoria wears off.

Frankly I didn't see this one coming.
After Lana got pregnant and Adam went into gangster mode, I thought W and his babe have settled down into new parents mode mentally..Playing appeared to be an option that may come up later.

This Hotel California adventure raises a lot of issues. We shouldn't try and second guess a couple, in whose shoes we ain't walking. Just the sex part doesn't describe the entirety of a relationship. But L is now confirmed to be a highly sexed lady who would stretch and stretch for a lover to an infinite extent.
The BF - GF talk could be sex hormones talk rather than sensible talk.. Kinda heat of the moment. L may see the absurdity of it playing out in her pregnant state.
But one thing is for sure, after the baby comes, L can do anything with the right guy.. One from amongst the bulls we have met till now or a new one.. Her limits are totally unpredictable. W tends to go along.

Let's hope they work things out in the long run.

Sandy

I know it may seem like Lana tends to make the decisions and I go along, and maybe it's my naiveite, but I really do feel like we make decisions as a couple. Again, I know how some might laugh at this notion, and I understand where the perception may come from. But our relationship is very evenly distributed regarding decision making and "power."

My hope is always and in all other forums is the integrity of the relationship. The sanctity of it amongst the chaos we all as hotwife cuckold husbands thrive on. A hotwife, hot girlfriend lifestyle is only possible if the relationship thrives and both partners get whatever they desire out of it and that it remains intact. There is nothing of interest to me if the relationship fails for whatever reason. There is no hotwife if she has left the husband. I cringe i get angst for the husband for the many desires and compromises he normally makes to keep the wife happy but have to accept that it is his journey and we don't know all the details. We are only privileged to a tiny segment of ones writing. Still number one is communication as has been mentioned on many an occasion.

We're both getting satisfaction from the dynamic, and she's constantly checking on me in terms of how I'm feeling as she doesn't want me to suffer in silence thinking that whatever is happening is solely what she wants. Again, I really do understand how it might seem like Lana is running the show and I'm more or less an observant bystander, but I feel like our marriage is much more even-keeled than it may come off in these posts.

Hi w770.

Thank you so much for sharing your journey. It has been incredible following it. First catching up and then waiting in anticipation for new developments.

It was the reason why I joined this site before the summer, after basically not sleeping for three nights (that was the only time I could do the reading). Besides being tired, I was excited, invigorated and moved by what you have been experiencing.

I do not (and probably never will) have this kind of lifestyle. My SO (together for over 15 years) is not interested. So I live through others. But your journey caused a shift in me and a realisation. I was very focused on the sexual aspect before. But as I read I started to understand the deeper emotional aspects too. The emotions between the couple (for example Lana and yourself), the emotions with the external partners (Lana and Shawn/Adam - I see two different types of relations there), and also your feelings dealing with the humiliation (light) angle. You taught me more about myself, what is possible, and what I could be ok with in a way I had not realised before. So, thank you.

I was a bit surprised (though pleasantly, and excited that your journey isn't over yet) to hear that things started up again with Shawn - and how quickly). I always prefer your (the two of you) interactions with him. I never fully understand Lana's relationship with Adam - I understand the lust and raw sexual desire there but have trouble seeing more, especially since besides having a big dick he was also a big dick (though what she did, that trip into the city, acting like nothing was up and not sharing details with you, while you both danced around what was really going on - absolutely incredible of her).

With Shawn it seemed different. I'm unsure if it's because he was the first and therefore the two of you where naive, open, almost innocent in a way (even though Lana did consciously send you guys off the precipice). But that relationship really opened my mind. The two, even three, of you were exploring your way into something new. And then tackling the emotions that started to arise from it along with the (sometimes difficult) communication and openness. He also seems like a much nicer guy than Adam.

So after Lana became pregnant and things became quieter, I was left with my thoughts wandering back to the beginning, and how things could have developed but didn't. What ifs, if you will.

What if Shawn played it cooler and didn't push the love angle so soon and Lana hadn't described their middle of the night sex as love-making (like slow sex, instead)?

What if Shawn's parents place in Florida didn't get damaged and he and Lana had another few weeks / month to continue their interactions, sex, love-making, bonding?

My SO is the type of person who develops feelings for the person she sleeps with. What I hadn't expected was how much more the emotional dynamic brings to the relationship. I was very focused on my SO being sexually gratified and satisfied, but had not realised that it would be incomplete for her without an emotional connection to the person who was satisfying her. And then I realised that I could be ok with it. Or at least the thought of it heighten everything for me (anticipation, arousal, challenges to overcome).

I hope Lana has a safe trip home and the two of you get some excellent reconnecting. And wish the two of you well.

Thanks so much for the kind words. Regarding your questions - I do think there may have been a situation where we would have had to call a stop to things had Shawn's parents not returned earlier than expected. If I remember back to that time, I believe they were on a fast track to developing real and strong feelings for each other. But life (and death) played out and no intervention was needed.

Lana came back yesterday and the reclaiming went about as well as hoped. To the update.

Update: So I picked Lana up from the airport yesterday. She jumped into my arms and that passion and excitement we had for each other was of the variety that can't be faked. As I usually do whenever we drive somewhere, I had my hand on her leg on the way home, when she grabbed my hand and started moving it up her thigh, under her skirt, as she moved her panties to the side and had me touch her pussy. "Be gentle...." She moaned and started getting more into it, as admittingly we were being quite unsafe with the driving. "Do you feel his cum, baby?" "yeah..." "He fucked me all over that hotel room... the bed, against the wall, in the shower...."

I eventually told her that we needed to pause as it was getting closer and closer to a car accident. 30 minutes later, we were in bed, her telling me all about her night with Shawn and Brad, earlier that morning in the hotel room, while I tried my hardest to hold off on cumming too early. We spent the next hour and a half in bed, the details giving me the fuel I needed to get it up soon after I blew my first load.

This morning has been pretty quiet. She's understandably pretty tired, and took the morning off work and the gym. We have plans to go for a long walk later with the dogs before dinner, and it looks like she's welcoming the contrast of our life to the past few days. Shawn's sent her a few messages, but nothing out of the ordinary - just him telling her that it was great seeing her. My guess is that he'll follow up on their conversation about him moving out here eventually, but I don't think it will go anywhere.

Okay back to work now. Sorry. Needy clients today.

[parmaham55]

Thanks for the update, W. Sounds like you've reconnected passionately and quickly. I'm sure we'd love to hear more details in time, if you are able to share and have time.
I'm curious about the Lana and Michelle dynamic. Was it a swap in same room scenario? Did Lana watch Shawn with Michelle? Any details on that? Or was it Shawn and Brad, two onto Lana? And did that happen twice??

[hiki]

Thank you for the update! Once you got to bed, did she immediately push your head between her legs to go down on her? Can't wait to hear her take on Shawn's big idea of becoming officially GF/BF and moving close to you!

[GuruTravelMonkey]

Silly question, but timeline… Shawn’s visit, when they weren’t able to meet, was that after she was off the pill, when you were working on getting preggers?

[parmaham55]

Silly question, but timeline… Shawn’s visit, when they weren’t able to meet, was that after she was off the pill, when you were working on getting preggers?

Oh that is a mindfuck. Looking back, W reported that Lana was off birth control on or just before 23rd June (after that weekend with Adam and Evan). In the same update, W said Shawn was scheduled to return there for Fourth of July week.

Tues 11th July update brought ‘she got her period last week, so yeah…’. - so we know Lana wasn’t pregnant the week before 11th July.

On 20th July, Doc confirms Lana is pregnant.

(Then she goes to Adam for a final night on Fri 28th July - being pregnant but Adam doesn’t know it. That was their final time.)

But there’s no mention of Shawn at all until 12th Sept update when W says ‘ I think she took this somewhat renewed energy and reached out to Shawn’. That is - she contacted Shawn, rather than the he contacted her.

Then suddenly she is off to Cali for a weekend…

The big question then is - when did Shawn actually travel back East , and for how long, and W, you should look in detail at your memories of that time. It was all-consuming dealing with Adam at the time.
We know Lana was able to slip out at times before with Shawn. You knew about most of their meet ups but not all. Exactly how much contact have they had?

Sorry to mindfuck you!

[lovethis]

And just when I was putting a great big "whew"!!. Lana is back and loving her man after fucking Shawn for a few days but also doing everyday couple things.

When she got pregnant you were beyond sure based on the time lines. You had no doubt to the baby being yours. I don't think you should worry too much about it. You and Lana only have thoughts for each other as the parents of the little bun growing in her oven. If Lana had doubts she would have said something.
Don't stress or doubt what you both know.

[hiki]

Pretty big update: Lana had been feeling sick for a few days, and we finally went to the doctor. She's pregnant. The timing is such that the only possibility is that it's mine.

Parmaham55 is onto something! The timeline of her period in July doesn't make sense. On the 7th you said she's feeling like her period is coming on and then on the 11th you say her period came last week. That can only mean it came later on the 7th and went on through the weekend? Then only a week later you say she's been feeling ill and wondering if she's preggo, and on the 20th the Dr. confirmed yes.

There's a possibility she did not have an actual period July 7-9, but was already pregnant. It could have just been spotting or 'implantation bleeding'.

Does this change the calculation on the certainty of paternity? Certainly Shawn can be ruled out since he was around 4th of July - too late for the math to work. But what about Adam/Evan?

Based on this timeline is it possible conception occurred around June 20-27?

[lovethis]

We have a lot of detectives here who are analyzing every word W writes. We only get to see a small proportion of someone's real life through what he is willing to share which I am grateful. If Lana or W had doubts I am sure by now they would have gone to great lengths to sort them to know the truth. After all it is the life and future of a human being to consider. Yes this lifestyle has risks of the Wife leaving the husband or the wife getting pregnant by her lover if they are have unrestricted sex while fertile. But I am sure this couple has done their homework. Hey even if there was the slightest chance it maybe some one else's would you leave her or would you accept that whatever the outcome because it will be mothered by the woman you love you just get on with life regardless.

[w770]

Thanks for the update, W. Sounds like you've reconnected passionately and quickly. I'm sure we'd love to hear more details in time, if you are able to share and have time.
I'm curious about the Lana and Michelle dynamic. Was it a swap in same room scenario? Did Lana watch Shawn with Michelle? Any details on that? Or was it Shawn and Brad, two onto Lana? And did that happen twice??

It was a swap. Turns out, and I think someone had postulated this in an earlier post, that Shawn and Michelle have had sex before. It's a friend-group sort of thing, and fairly recently, Michelle and Brad took the friendship to a romantic level. But when Shawn and Michelle fucked, it was a friends with benefits thing, as they were never in a relationship.

So Shawn has a pretty big bed, and both guys took their respective girls from behind when they first swapped. Lana told me that she would look over and Shawn would blow her a kiss while he was balls deep in Michelle. They definitely have a connection that allows them to have unspoken communication. She does admit that Shawn and herself confessed to each other afterwards that they felt pangs of jealousy watching them with another person. Shawn said that all he wanted was to pound her and let everyone know that she was his when he saw Lana cum on Brad's cock, and Lana said something similar in the inverse. He said that it was one thing to watch her have sex with Brad, but when she was cumming with Brad in missionary, and Brad gave her a kiss, Shawn said that it was really hard for him to take that.

Silly question, but timeline… Shawn’s visit, when they weren’t able to meet, was that after she was off the pill, when you were working on getting preggers?

Silly question, but timeline… Shawn’s visit, when they weren’t able to meet, was that after she was off the pill, when you were working on getting preggers?

Oh that is a mindfuck. Looking back, W reported that Lana was off birth control on or just before 23rd June (after that weekend with Adam and Evan). In the same update, W said Shawn was scheduled to return there for Fourth of July week.

Tues 11th July update brought ‘she got her period last week, so yeah…’. - so we know Lana wasn’t pregnant the week before 11th July.

On 20th July, Doc confirms Lana is pregnant.

(Then she goes to Adam for a final night on Fri 28th July - being pregnant but Adam doesn’t know it. That was their final time.)

But there’s no mention of Shawn at all until 12th Sept update when W says ‘ I think she took this somewhat renewed energy and reached out to Shawn’. That is - she contacted Shawn, rather than the he contacted her.

Then suddenly she is off to Cali for a weekend…

The big question then is - when did Shawn actually travel back East , and for how long, and W, you should look in detail at your memories of that time. It was all-consuming dealing with Adam at the time.
We know Lana was able to slip out at times before with Shawn. You knew about most of their meet ups but not all. Exactly how much contact have they had?

Sorry to mindfuck you!

And just when I was putting a great big "whew"!!. Lana is back and loving her man after fucking Shawn for a few days but also doing everyday couple things.

When she got pregnant you were beyond sure based on the time lines. You had no doubt to the baby being yours. I don't think you should worry too much about it. You and Lana only have thoughts for each other as the parents of the little bun growing in her oven. If Lana had doubts she would have said something.
Don't stress or doubt what you both know.

We have a lot of detectives here who are analyzing every word W writes. We only get to see a small proportion of someone's real life through what he is willing to share which I am grateful. If Lana or W had doubts I am sure by now they would have gone to great lengths to sort them to know the truth. After all it is the life and future of a human being to consider. Yes this lifestyle has risks of the Wife leaving the husband or the wife getting pregnant by her lover if they are have unrestricted sex while fertile. But I am sure this couple has done their homework. Hey even if there was the slightest chance it maybe some one else's would you leave her or would you accept that whatever the outcome because it will be mothered by the woman you love you just get on with life regardless.

Pretty big update: Lana had been feeling sick for a few days, and we finally went to the doctor. She's pregnant. The timing is such that the only possibility is that it's mine.

Parmaham55 is onto something! The timeline of her period in July doesn't make sense. On the 7th you said she's feeling like her period is coming on and then on the 11th you say her period came last week. That can only mean it came later on the 7th and went on through the weekend? Then only a week later you say she's been feeling ill and wondering if she's preggo, and on the 20th the Dr. confirmed yes.

There's a possibility she did not have an actual period July 7-9, but was already pregnant. It could have just been spotting or 'implantation bleeding'.

Does this change the calculation on the certainty of paternity? Certainly Shawn can be ruled out since he was around 4th of July - too late for the math to work. But what about Adam/Evan?

Based on this timeline is it possible conception occurred around June 20-27?

So addressing the pregnancy timeline - I'm really certain that we waited long enough after her and Adam had sex and confirmed that she wasn't pregnant before we started actually "trying." The only possibility that the child isn't mine is if she's being dishonest in some way with going to see Adam, or even Shawn without my knowledge, which I see no evidence of. I do appreciate the concern and words of caution, and I understand why there would be doubts, but given the circumstances, I don't feel that there's anything to be worried about.

Update: No sex last night as Lana fell asleep early. She typically takes a while to adjust to changing time zones, so nothing unexpected. Although something did happen last night that was quite unexpected. I woke up around 2am to Shawn texting me. Simply, "hey." We started talking and it started with him telling me how much he appreciated me sharing Lana with him last week. He also told me some details about the swap that I didn't know, which was that there were friends still over at Shawn's place while the swap was happening, but Michelle wanted the door closed, so instead of watching, Shawn's friend were able to listen into the debauchery. He asked how Lana was doing and I told him that she's good, but tired and was currently sleeping.

That's when he asked me if I remember the first time we "openly" had an arrangement, and the moment that he came of the bedroom. "Do you remember staring at my cock and jerking off?" "yeah. It was hot seeing Lana's pussy juices on your cock." There was about a 10 minute gap until his next text, but then he asked me, "you wanna get on video?"

Now I don't know if this qualifies as "gay" or what, and honestly, I don't really care about categorizations. But we ended up getting on video and we masturbated together, with him telling me how he wished I was there last week so he could fuck Lana in front of me. He told me about how loud she was for him, how he fucked her against the wall in the hotel room before carrying her into the shower and fucking her there. He told me about how he wants me to hold her legs open for her again so I know that he's the alpha and her pussy is his. He told me that Lana was in love with his cock and how she screamed at how much better he fucks her than me during the swap so that not only Brad and Michelle heard, but all of his friends on the other side of the door. We ended up cumming together and ended the call soon after.

I told Lana about it in the morning and she found it nice that him and I were bonding. She also thinks that she should really put every extracurricular activity with other men on hold for a while. But then again, she's said this before, so who knows what the future holds.

[leander99]

I decided to Google a few things

1) Many women typically ovulate around 12 to 14 days after the first day of their last period, but some have a naturally short cycle. They may ovulate as soon as six days or so after the first day of their last period. And then, of course, there's sperm. It turns out those little swimmers can be pretty tricky, too.

2) Blood tests can tell if you are pregnant about six to eight days after you ovulate.

Based on thus the time line is definitief possible, a bit fast assuming her period was around July 7th.

However

3) Some women may begin noticing the first early signs of pregnancy a week or two after conception, while others will start to feel symptoms closer to four or five weeks after conception.

So her feeling pregnant was maybe not that she felt symptoms? It may have been psychological? Or maybe she actually felt something, because for sure she will know best.

But the doctors should have an idea how old the pregnancy is anyway. And if not, it will probably become clear when she has an echo.

In any case, I think w770 and Lana probably know best.

Heck, why am I even commenting on this? LOL

[Open2it]

Or maybe you surprise her and both of you take a quick vacation out west in the near future. Lana's comment about putting extramarital activity on hold for a while is quite insightful. What began as a hard no, and morphed into no more once pregnant, has grown into placing it on hold - for a while. She obviously enjoys being a hotwife.