Young married guy here

[Luigical1931]

Folks,

Unfortunately this is not going to be the expected update. Lauren didn’t really tell me what happened. I really hesitated if I should post this but decided to do this anyway as I felt getting the opinion of you all could put things in better perspective.

I am not sure when Lauren came upstairs but I woke up at 08:30 am as I can not sleep once the sun is up. I noticed that Lauren is sleeping in the lingerie that she wore to Adam’s room. I didn’t wake her up as she seemed to be deep in sleep.

I went downstairs and went into Adam’s room. The sheets are removed as usual but I did see the 3 pack of Calvins she got him on the dresser. He didn’t wear them yet. I went to the laundry room and saw the sheets and I also found the panties of Lauren’s lingerie in the big tub. I started a load and decided to make some breakfast for myself. I finished eating breakfast and was mostly on reddit and Lauren came down at 10:00 am freshly showered. The moment I saw her, I knew something was off. I asked her if everything was okay and she didn’t reply for a few seconds. I went close to her and guided her to the couch. She told me that the third time they had sex, she was woken up by his hard cock head already in her pussy. She said that they slept in the cuddling position and she was the little spoon. She said she work up to her pussy getting stretched by Adam's cock and painful at the beginning and she winced. He sensed that she was awake and kissed her and slowly started thrusting in and out. She was confused at what was happening but soon started to enjoy and she told me that she even orgasmed a few times. But she was still confused about the third round. He didn’t ask for any kind of consent before the third time they had sex and after the third round she was too exhausted to do/say anything.

I hugged her and said that she is right to feel the way she is feeling. She wasn’t crying but she was in deep thinking mode for the past few hours. I made some lunch for both of us and we decided to stay home for the night. I am horrified that I might have jerked off to my wife getting assaulted.

Lauren decided to do some last minute shopping and I went into our room to find out that she leaked Adam’s cum on our sheets. I stripped the sheets from the bed and took them to the laundry room.

We both have been wondering if Adam assumed some type of implicit consent on Lauren’s part. She is not hurting but she is just a bit dazed and confused.

Hey Danny, good to hear from you.

It’s an interesting topic, because I think that he’s just presumed that round three was on the cards.

Has she specifically said no?

I just think with everything that was going on, that this isn’t assault personally (if she’s said no, that’s absolutely completely different).

She’s obviously shook up about it and you two (or three) definitely need to talk about it and figure out how you want to proceed going forward).

I will absolutely guarantee that somebody will say it is assault and consent is necessary the whole time and say I’m wrong on this one. I just think he imagined that scenario differently. He imagined she would love it, I don’t think it was malicious.

I do wonder if she told him no? That’s key for me.

But that’s just my opinion and I’m keen to hear other peoples

[RunDannyRun]

Folks,

Unfortunately this is not going to be the expected update. Lauren didn’t really tell me what happened. I really hesitated if I should post this but decided to do this anyway as I felt getting the opinion of you all could put things in better perspective.

I am not sure when Lauren came upstairs but I woke up at 08:30 am as I can not sleep once the sun is up. I noticed that Lauren is sleeping in the lingerie that she wore to Adam’s room. I didn’t wake her up as she seemed to be deep in sleep.

I went downstairs and went into Adam’s room. The sheets are removed as usual but I did see the 3 pack of Calvins she got him on the dresser. He didn’t wear them yet. I went to the laundry room and saw the sheets and I also found the panties of Lauren’s lingerie in the big tub. I started a load and decided to make some breakfast for myself. I finished eating breakfast and was mostly on reddit and Lauren came down at 10:00 am freshly showered. The moment I saw her, I knew something was off. I asked her if everything was okay and she didn’t reply for a few seconds. I went close to her and guided her to the couch. She told me that the third time they had sex, she was woken up by his hard cock head already in her pussy. She said that they slept in the cuddling position and she was the little spoon. She said she work up to her pussy getting stretched by Adam's cock and painful at the beginning and she winced. He sensed that she was awake and kissed her and slowly started thrusting in and out. She was confused at what was happening but soon started to enjoy and she told me that she even orgasmed a few times. But she was still confused about the third round. He didn’t ask for any kind of consent before the third time they had sex and after the third round she was too exhausted to do/say anything.

I hugged her and said that she is right to feel the way she is feeling. She wasn’t crying but she was in deep thinking mode for the past few hours. I made some lunch for both of us and we decided to stay home for the night. I am horrified that I might have jerked off to my wife getting assaulted.

Lauren decided to do some last minute shopping and I went into our room to find out that she leaked Adam’s cum on our sheets. I stripped the sheets from the bed and took them to the laundry room.

We both have been wondering if Adam assumed some type of implicit consent on Lauren’s part. She is not hurting but she is just a bit dazed and confused.

Hey Danny, good to hear from you.

It’s an interesting topic, because I think that he’s just presumed that round three was on the cards.

Has she specifically said no?

I just think with everything that was going on, that this isn’t assault personally (if she’s said no, that’s absolutely completely different).

She’s obviously shook up about it and you two (or three) definitely need to talk about it and figure out how you want to proceed going forward).

I will absolutely guarantee that somebody will say it is assault and consent is necessary the whole time and say I’m wrong on this one. I just think he imagined that scenario differently. He imagined she would love it, I don’t think it was malicious.

I do wonder if she told him no? That’s key for me.

But that’s just my opinion and I’m keen to hear other peoples

She never explicitly told no. I even asked her if she tried to push him off but she said that she didn't do it. She said that she was a bit groggy in the beginning after waking up but soon, she said, she "gave in"

[Luigical1931]

I think the whole thing is that somebody can orgasm and not give consent, as that’s their body reacting to pleasure. Thats the argument anyway.

I don’t know how much you’ve discussed it.

Was she fine with it once she woke up? Was it the initial entry whilst she was asleep that made her feel violated?

It’s a hard one Danny. I think the most important thing is how she feels and she sounds conflicted about it?

Did she mention anything to him afterwards, as that’s important to this as well?

[Rogueuser1]

We both have been wondering if Adam assumed some type of implicit consent on Lauren’s part. She is not hurting but she is just a bit dazed and confused.

Danny - first I'm so sorry for both you and that she feels this way.

I would definitely think this is true, that he felt he had implied consent based on them already having had sex twice and her still being there naked/in lingerie and cuddled to him. I figured she was getting spooned that third time based on the level of exhaustion from the first two fucks, I'm glad she ended up enjoying it even if it did surprise and confuse her a bit.

If it does bother her it would be good for her to have a direct conversation with Adam about not doing that again - to him it almost certainly was a normal response and he won't think anything of it unless she lets him know it bothered her.

[RunDannyRun]

Was it the initial entry whilst she was asleep that made her feel violated?

I think this is the main sticking point. She told me that she would have happily obliged his advances if he just woke her up and asked her.

It’s a hard one Danny. I think the most important thing is how she feels and she sounds conflicted about it?
Did she mention anything to him afterwards, as that’s important to this as well?

No. She didn't say a single word to him yet after the beginning of the third round. He only said, "I will miss you!", as she was about to come upstairs from his bedroom. She didn't respond to that.

[FNQLivin]

Consent is required. You don’t stick your dick in a sleeping woman and continue without asking. It doesn’t have to be a written contract, but as simple as ‘hey babe, feeling horny?’.

[Angela Plays]

A bad guy with another black mark in his ledger!

If she enjoys the stunt cock then fine, whatever, knock your socks off. But in my opinion, once she gets off and he nuts…she should give him a quick peck on the cheek, say “thanks, that was fun!” Then hop out of bed and return to Danny. Let that sorry SOB know that for her it’s all about using his cock and nothing more.

[vicouple]

I believe 51 men were just convicted of rape for having sex with a sleeping women. If several hours have passed, you ask.

[Georgematthias]

nice George - what an amazing night

Thanks Gearup.
It was another amazing night.
I couldn't be happier for the loving couple.

[Angela Plays]

Not rape. Consent was given when she walked in that room and got it on with him the two times prior.

He’s just an POS asshole, and that’s not against the law.

[wannabecUKold]

One question, one theory.

If it had been you who had been lying there spooning Lauren after earlier love making and she had woken up to find that your erect penis head had entered her, what would her reaction have been? She might have felt that it was rather intrusive. But I doubt she would have minded as much she did with Adam. With Adam she feels violated; with you I very much doubt she would have felt so violated, nor would it have weighed on her mind.
That difference (if I am right) between you and Adam highlights how she feels about the sex she is having with Adam. Adam requires her consent expressly each time they have sex. I doubt you do in that sense, even if she does in fact refuse you on particular occasions (like when you were banished to the sofa). With you, there is no barrier, there is a comfortable ease of access.

If I am right (and you may disagree), I wouldn’t want that situation to change. Adam should remain at arm’s length.

[Coolcalm]

A bad guy with another black mark in his ledger!

If she enjoys the stunt cock then fine, whatever, knock your socks off. But in my opinion, once she gets off and he nuts…she should give him a quick peck on the cheek, say “thanks, that was fun!” Then hop out of bed and return to Danny. Let that sorry SOB know that for her it’s all about using his cock and nothing more.

Angela is right again as usual!
This step brother is the biggest piece of shit.
He talked about how he wants to change but he never will. He will always take advantage of this who care for him.

[MatureCouple]

Danny, how do you feel about what happened? What do you think the next step(s) should be?

[joel68]

If after some more reflection and you guys have talked more about it, then maybe you can come to some sort of agreement on how she should be treating Adam.

Right now, I assume he is gone for a bit. From what I have observed from your posts she is just interested in Adam and the fucking he provides. Nothing more. At least that's what I think of it based upon my limited knowledge from what you have said in your posts.

But maybe she should lay down some ground rules with Adam assuming she wants to continue to have him fuck her. You and she should probably discuss this and you have ample opportunity with Adam out of the house for a number of days. It's just you two for a while.

I am sure the two of you are obviously smart enough to figure out what you both want out of this. But pretty much it's more about her than you, Dan. What does she want and what does she see happening or want to happen when he returns? That is what you guys should talk about.

As I see it, Lauren is just using Adam for the sex. She has needs that you cannot satisfy. Adam does that. And you not only accept it, you love it as well. But that's it as I see it. Maybe have her fuck him and that's all. Maybe put the end to any future presents.

Have you thought of possibly rethinking of your trip away and leaving them alone. Have you discussed it with her? I am pretty sure that before last night, she would probably have been all in. Now I am not so sure. You guys also need to discuss stuff like that as well.

But as I said, you do have a lot of time to sort all of this out and decide what you want to do from here. I hope you two can figure it all out.

[Cuckcuckgoose1]

Implied consent as evidenced by the two previous rounds, plus the repeated visits to his room over the last two weeks.

[Gearup]

Im no expert.

She did go to his room intending to get fucked and spent the night getting fucked.

She enjoyed the evening over all.

To me this is a learning opportunity for her. Lauren needs to have a conversation with Adam. She obviously loves getting fucked by him. He just needs to understand consent and seek it from her before pushing forward.

Put yourself in his shoes - he fucked her all night (consensually). being driven he goes for round three while sleeping in the spooning position takes her from behind inserting his cock into her pussy with no pushback. She warms up / wakes up he thinks its going well fucks her to multiple orgasms and now she is upset because he didn't say please can I fuck you again after three hours of her enjoying getting fucked by him.

looks more like a communication issue than a consent issue. she instigated the encounter and consented all night

[Vbbull]

Long time lurker and I agree with Angela. This is an interesting situation. Have you ever heard the expression “Don’t shit where you eat”?

You and Lauren are giving him a place to stay while he’s struggling and his way to repay you is to sleep with your wife “behind your back”? That’s extremely messed up. I think it would be different if he knows you’re consenting but at this moment he thinks Lauren is cheating on you. Yes he’s getting pussy but at what cost? Maybe my morals are different. After the first time, as a good person, he should have confronted you and let you know that your wife is cheating.

This is an opportunity for you and Lauren to break it off with Adam. There’s plenty of big dicks out there. If I remember correctly Lauren had a bad experience prior. Take your time vetting potential fuck buddies and find one that might match with both of you. Obviously Lauren has a different outlook on this than when she met the first guy. In the time being, get her a bigger toy for Christmas so she can still satisfy that need.

Just my 2 cents. It’s your life and you can do as you want.

[Midnight Joker]

I find it kind of odd that she wanted to be asked in the middle of the night. She goes there for sex after all. I'm guessing that the horniness wasn't there and she wasn't into it. Communication is 2-way and she should have said something, moved off or both. That being said, she came and moaned, so maybe she just feels guilty after the fact. Kind of like how cucks sometimes feel after they cum and their wives are still being fucked. They aren't into it.

[Dream Weaver]

Sleep with a bad boy, get the bad boy treatment.

[BeingInTheWorld]

looks more like a communication issue than a consent issue.

Consent is a communication issue. THE communication issue. And consent can be withdrawn at any time for any reason. Sore. Tired. Not feeling it.

Legally speaking, you cannot consent if you are asleep.

And there are lots of reasons people don't say "stop" when being sexually assaulted. Fear. Confusion. Freezing up. Shutting down. Shock.

This whole lifestyle is built on mutual consent. Without it, everything crumbles.

[Georgematthias]

And, once again, Lauren turns to the real man in the house when she has any need.

I am truly sorry for Lauren.

Her night was beautiful and memorable to that point only to have the memory stained by Adam's confusing behavior.

There is no condoning unwanted sex.

Adam has previously pushed Lauren for more oral than she thought she could stand, but she was awake.
Adam pushed her to squirt when she pushed back because she thought she was going to pee in his face, but she was awake.
Last night, she was asleep when Adam was attempting to take her to a new height, but she was confused and alarmed.

I don't think Adam had any malicious intent, but I don't think Adam has ever had a lady as sophisticated, cerebral and as innocent as Lauren.

As a result, he assumed he had consent and she believes she never gave it.

Just as Lauren confronted Adam with the drunk sex and the phone app, she needs to express herself to him in this matter.

I think Adam would do anything to keep Lauren out of harms way and from being hurt.

Hopefully, Lauren will consider that before their discussion and Adam will consider her position after the discussion. I believe he will beg her forgiveness and do anything she asks.

I also think she should tell him to man up like Danny and wear his new big boy panties

[jeffx]

I think Lauren is still struggling to a certain degree with everything that's happening, but these next few days without Adam being around will give her the time to calmly think about it all and she'll make her mind up about whether to continue with this or stop.

Her memories of the sex beforehand will override this one.

If Danny is away when Adam returns, I think they'll be fucking within minutes of him returning.

[parmaham55]

I think this is Lauren’s way of dealing with her guilt from the most amazing night of her life.
She can’t come back to you and say that, so she wants you to feel responsible for letting/encouraging her to be there at that moment, asleep and feeling the intrusion of his cock, un-asked for.

[Dream Weaver]

looks more like a communication issue than a consent issue.

Consent is a communication issue. THE communication issue. And consent can be withdrawn at any time for any reason. Sore. Tired. Not feeling it.

Legally speaking, you cannot consent if you are asleep.

And there are lots of reasons people don't say "stop" when being sexually assaulted. Fear. Confusion. Freezing up. Shutting down. Shock.

This whole lifestyle is built on mutual consent. Without it, everything crumbles.

LOL, she is naked in bed with her brother in law after she's been fucking him all night for the 7th night in a row. She could have walked. She didn't. She's not entitled to the perfect experience.

[Watchinu69]

Sleep with a bad boy, get the bad boy treatment.

She was cuddling and fucking him all
Night- no harm no foul-- she enjoyed being with him-- stop the wokeness already