Young married guy here

[RunDannyRun]

I probably had the most awkward conversation I ever had in my life. Adam wanted to discuss what Lauren told him and I was a bit blindsided as I wanted to prepare before approaching him with this topic. I didn’t get to say anything during this conversation as I wanted to dig a hole and die in it.

Adam started the conversation with what Lauren told him already. He tried to be as non judgmental as possible but some of his words were still hurtful.

A: Danny, I am not sure what’s happening these days. Lauren says that you not only okay with us having sex but you get hard by that?
Me: (I just nodded)
A: Come on man, you didn’t grow up in our household to end like this.
Me: (I was silent)
A: Are you gay?
Me: What? No. What the fuck?
A: I don’t know Danny. I mean I knew people like to watch their wives get banged but I thought it was just rare and most likely a meme to call men gay. This is fucked up man.
Me: (Still silent)
A: Does anyone else know about this stuff?
Me: No.
A: Good! You have no idea how crappy the guys out there are. I still can not believe this whole thing. What’s wrong with you?
Me: (silent)
A: Damn it Danny! Don’t let anyone know about this. Everyone will question your masculinity.
Me: Do you think of me as a less of a man now that you know these details about me?
A: Honestly, Yes. No real man would let this happen to him and his family. Everyone will think that you are a pervert.

We sat in silence for a few minutes and he was texting someone else related to his work

A: What do you want out of this whole thing.
Me: I am not sure
A: Lauren tells me that you want to watch us
Me: (I was silent)
A: I don’t think that will happen. You are my brother. This whole thing is a freak show. I already feel ashamed of the things we do in the bedroom. I don’t need more witnesses to what I am doing with Lauren. This is for your best.

He then left me to marinate in my thoughts.

He also spoke to Lauren and told her that he doesn’t want her to do anything while I am around. He said that he is not a sicko and he just wants to keep things in the bedroom.

[cpmici+]

Too bad, Lauren should have been there and supported you in explaining your situation. Maybe Adam hearing from her could open his mind to try to understand you. If he had strong feelings of familiarity, he should be ashamed to fuck his sister-in-law and not only do it in your presence,
That's my thought. I wish you all the best you deserve

[coastalkid]

Ok, Adam may have his issues and I mean lots of them, but he is totally on target with this conversation in my opinion. I think there's a revelation in Adam's mind that if it wasn't him fucking his it would be someone else. As his big brother he knows that's fucked up and can't have his little brother fucking himself up like that. Even more telling is Adam doesn't want to be used for entertainment for something he sees as sick. Up to now I would have expected Adam to just shrug his shoulders and say whatever and just keep on. This is a side of Adam that has been repressed, deep down I get the impression that Adam feels a need as an older brother to protect Danny. It finally feels like Adam has found some lines he doesn't want crossed because he doesn't like them. In Adam's opinion his brother is sick and a pervert and that confounds him.

[RunDannyRun]

Ok, Adam may have his issues and I mean lots of them, but he is totally on target with this conversation in my opinion. I think there's a revelation in Adam's mind that if it wasn't him fucking his it would be someone else. As his big brother he knows that's fucked up and can't have his little brother fucking himself up like that. Even more telling is Adam doesn't want to be used for entertainment for something he sees as sick. Up to now I would have expected Adam to just shrug his shoulders and say whatever and just keep on. This is a side of Adam that has been repressed, deep down I get the impression that Adam feels a need as an older brother to protect Danny. It finally feels like Adam has found some lines he doesn't want crossed because he doesn't like them. In Adam's opinion his brother is sick and a pervert and that confounds him.

You kind of grazed past something that I had been thinking about. If I were a complete stranger to Adam, he wouldn't have minded if i wanted to watch. But us being close might be making things weird for him.

PS: I spoke to Lauren about this conversation and she told me that she will talk to Adam to see if she can change his mind. I asked her not to as I am certain it will just result in further humiliation.

[joel68]

Lauren should talk to Adam and see if she can put things in proper perspective. I mean was fucking his step-brother’s wife on the sly, got caught and was then fucking her with his step-brother knowing. He still probably felt some awkwardness to that. Now Danny’s kink is inserted into the equation. A lot for him to process to say the least.

But if Lauren were to talk with him, then maybe things could be smoothed over and he could be more tolerant of the situation.

He said he read about guys like Danny, but now it’s real life. To add on, it’s with his sister-in-law and he is living in their house. No wonder he is responding like he is.

[Oneillfranko]

Danny, I think you are right not to have Lauren try to persuade Adam. Do nothing; let things settle for a while the way they have been going. Adam may come around, and maybe he won’t. You are still living your dream of being cuckolded. No point in forcing Adam to do something he isn’t comfortable with. Just my 2cents worth. Good luck

[Midnight Joker]

Ok, Adam may have his issues and I mean lots of them, but he is totally on target with this conversation in my opinion. I think there's a revelation in Adam's mind that if it wasn't him fucking his it would be someone else. As his big brother he knows that's fucked up and can't have his little brother fucking himself up like that. Even more telling is Adam doesn't want to be used for entertainment for something he sees as sick. Up to now I would have expected Adam to just shrug his shoulders and say whatever and just keep on. This is a side of Adam that has been repressed, deep down I get the impression that Adam feels a need as an older brother to protect Danny. It finally feels like Adam has found some lines he doesn't want crossed because he doesn't like them. In Adam's opinion his brother is sick and a pervert and that confounds him.

You kind of grazed past something that I had been thinking about. If I were a complete stranger to Adam, he wouldn't have minded if i wanted to watch. But us being close might be making things weird for him.

PS: I spoke to Lauren about this conversation and she told me that she will talk to Adam to see if she can change his mind. I asked her not to as I am certain it will just result in further humiliation.

I would have been surprised if he went along with this. The only reason why he shares Lauren with you is because she is your wife. Otherwise, he'd would be jealous and possessive. Adam is probably in love (and lust) with her and he cares about you, too. Probably the only reason why he's being so respectful about everything (yes, I see the irony in the respectfulness of him fucking your wife). I think it is important he understands that it is about watching her and not about him in any way.

Maybe some baby steps might get him to relax about some of the PDA. She wears sexy and reveling clothing around the house. Maybe some light flirting. Taking him upstairs by the hand for sex, instead of texting him to come up. Kissing, groping and even full sex in the living room while you're in the kitchen. Jumping into the deep end isn't going to work for Adam.

Also, you still thinking about a weekend away so they can have the whole place to themselves for a few days? Maybe then you could ask to put a camera up that only she knows about.

[wannabecUKold]

Adam sees himself as Danny’s elder brother and is shocked by Danny’s serious perversion as he sees it. Let’s call it how he sees it. He wants to protect Danny and get him to think aright.
So Adam wants Danny to behave as a real man, not as a man who hands out his wife to another man to fuck and is turned on by it.

It is salutary for us to remember that this is how most. others see this fetish.

Where does that leave us in terms of advising Danny? Certainly we should not be advising him to get Lauren to persuade Adam to go along with it. Adam has too much love for Danny to do what he thinks is wrong for him.

We on this forum see things differently. We actually believe that what we are doing is wholesome and mature and of course erotic for us and our wife. We don’t see it as a perversion. We see it as part of ghe tapestry of sexual activity. We don’t see it as psychologically damaging.

I doubt Danny would persuade Adam to think as we do.
But I think Danny has to present a confident response to Adam, that he Danny is comfortable in what he is doing and does not see it as problematic . Rather he sees it as strengthening his marriage with Lauren. She gains tremendously by being fucked by Adam. And he would like Adam to continue to fuck Lauren since it gives her a pleasure that he himself at this stage cannot give her, nor as her husband could he ever give her this adulterous pleasure.

And yes he Danny is happy to be aroused by what Adam is doing.
He doesn’t ask Adam to involve him. But he does ask Adam to openly acknowledge that Danny wants Adam to fuck his wife and respect Danny for his position.

As others have said, we can expect Adam to come more on board as he gets used to this scenario. He will let Lauren behave as she wishes, but not involve him eg if she is naked. He will eventually also accept Danny eg bringing them morning coffee in bed, acknowledging the fucking. His masculine pride at fucking the wife will get through to him.

[Jujube]

Funny Adam should say anything. Here he is, boning his half-brothers wife while they’re under the same roof, and her husband is aware! I mean the nerve of him trying to lecture Danny! The whole thing now pisses me off, especially the implication that you’re less of a man. If you come down to it, both the pot AND the kettle are black! I guess he’s just way too embarrassed about himself to have everything out in the open. If you and Lauren want to make an explanation, it was your way to cope with everything once you saw them at it. I mean, what were you going to do, whip his ass? Personally I’d let him stew or better yet, kick his ass out and tell your father why.

[FLR_fan]

Danny, have you been making sure to cook dinner with extra proteins and carbs, so that your brother has sustenance to fuck your nymph wife all night long?

[subtoall]

I spoke to Lauren about this conversation and she told me that she will talk to Adam to see if she can change his mind. I asked her not to as I am certain it will just result in further humiliation.

Danny,

I think it's time Adam gets challenged to grow his Neanderthal brain.

And you and Lauren need be a united front with him about this, like parents with a recalcitrant child. This is not difficult, even if you think it might be. While a face to face conversation with all 3 of you would be best, if you can't say it to him, then leave him a note, signed by both of you.

"Adam, you are being provided free room, board and on-demand sex with the hottest woman you could ever hope to find. The only price for all this is that we require you to grow up and respect both of us individually as well as our relationship.

"If you feel that you're unable or unwilling to pay this price then it is time for you to find another place to live. We will still love you as our brother but all of the rest of this will end if you choose not to change your attitude about us, especially me (Danny). Also, this is not something you can fake. We will know if you're just pretending to be respectful to keep this going. The ball is in your court."

Danny, it seems counterintuitive, but in human relations, it is the act of setting boundaries that earns us respect from others. Adam will respect you for requiring him to do this in order to continue enjoying what he has with you guys. We often avoid setting boundaries because we fear the other person will reject us or be angry with us, but it is almost always the case that real boundary setting is what earns us their respect. You and Laren have the power to get what you want out of this.

[SlapHappy]

This Adam dude is not very bright.

[Gearup]

Adam is a Neanderthal in his thinking but will come around and enjoy fucking Lauren out in the open and even with Dan watching (he kissed her in the park and fucked her in front of the kids). Remember, he has no exposure to such strange behavior - gives him the ick as he equates it to being gay (not an alpha male thing) - it will take a period of adjustment. But once he does, he will get a big charge out of fucking Dan’s wife while he watches. it will give him a visible opportunity to assert his alpha maleness - cucking Dan - and he’ll ultimately love it.

If you want to expedite the transition, Lauren can easily facilitate by getting naked and demanding Adam fuck her in the living room then calling Dan to come watch. Or during one of the nighttime fuck fests when she gets up to drain Adam’s cum out of her pussy she deliberately goes and gets Dan and brings him in ordering him to watch. Adam will get rock hard in seconds.

[Gearup]

Dan
Do you have sex of any kind with Lauren at this point or is she exclusively fucking Adam? Do you still try to watch and listen? Or are they fucking in your marital bed yet?

[Coolcalm]

Danny why not just stop what is going on between them? Find someone you can vet. Find someone who will follow your rules.

[Coolcalm]

Danny why not just stop what is going on between them? Find someone you can vet. Find someone who will follow your rules.

[wannabecUKold]

By now Adam will have masturbated. He will have thought about the conversation and fantasised about being watched by Danny as he, Adam, fucks Danny’s little wife. Then he would’ve put himself in Danny’s position, his small cock hard as hell as he looks on at the Adam guy’s massive cock entering little Lauren. He now understands the turn on.

Adam is also softening his strength of feeling. Perhaps he was too harsh to Danny. If that’s what turns his little bro on to watch his big bro fucking his little wife, why should he object? As long as Danny keeps it secret for his own sake. Danny has been good to him.

So Danny, expect Adam to speak to you one-to-one. “ Danny I was a bit harsh yesterday; if this is what turns you on then it’s not for me to object, just keep it quiet. Let me know what you want to do.” Be ready at that point to tell Adam that you want to watch them having sex. You want all three of them to be naked together in the house. Don’t be embarrassed or settle for anything less.

Be ready also for Adam to see you in a more sexual light. He might even have seen you as a substitute for Lauren in the month. It wouldn’t be gay, he argues. It would just be part of Adam’s enjoyment to see your erect cock and to pound your cheeks. Be ready for his approach and lean into it. Don’t resist that. Let him enjoy you as his cuckold bro.

[Asdiu]

By now Adam will have masturbated. He will have thought about the conversation and fantasised about being watched by Danny as he, Adam, fucks Danny’s little wife. Then he would’ve put himself in Danny’s position, his small cock hard as hell as he looks on at the Adam guy’s massive cock entering little Lauren. He now understands the turn on.

Adam is also softening his strength of feeling. Perhaps he was too harsh to Danny. If that’s what turns his little bro on to watch his big bro fucking his little wife, why should he object? As long as Danny keeps it secret for his own sake. Danny has been good to him.

So Danny, expect Adam to speak to you one-to-one. “ Danny I was a bit harsh yesterday; if this is what turns you on then it’s not for me to object, just keep it quiet. Let me know what you want to do.” Be ready at that point to tell Adam that you want to watch them having sex. You want all three of them to be naked together in the house. Don’t be embarrassed or settle for anything less.

Be ready also for Adam to see you in a more sexual light. He might even have seen you as a substitute for Lauren in the month. It wouldn’t be gay, he argues. It would just be part of Adam’s enjoyment to see your erect cock and to pound your cheeks. Be ready for his approach and lean into it. Don’t resist that. Let him enjoy you as his cuckold bro.

This has to be the stupidest thing I have read here

[joel68]

Did Lauren say why she told Adam about your kink?

[Rogueuser1]

Danny - how is your sex life with Lauren currently? Is she giving you any kind of pussy at all or just hand jobs?
Have the two of you ever discussed using a strapon penis - either you wearing it for sex with her or her wearing it for sex with you?

[wagonmaker1]

i never say anything about a guy sharing his wife i did mine, but Adam doesn't respect Danny anymore, Dany should stop Lauren fucking Adam now, & find a new guy for her, it has been going on for a long time now & i bet their are feelings being felt by Adam & Lauren, for each other, i think it is time to stop those 2 & get Lauren a new guy!!!!!

[MatureCouple]

I think Adam's emotional ties to Danny run very deep... Danny is his little brother. He's his protector and mentor. Doing something sexual directly in front of his little brother is extremely offensive, especially with the little brothers wife. I think the fucking of his brother's wife bothered him... obviously not to the extent of him not fucking her, but I do think there is an amount of guilt and shame associated with it. But he really likes sex... straight sex (sans kinks). It would be interesting to find out how he justifies fucking Lauren. It probably bothers him up to the point where he gets a hard-on.

Adam thinks this whole thing is fucked up. All of this is rolling around inside his brain. He's trying to make sense of it. He's fucked married women before, but as far as he knows they were cheating. So he doesn't have any exposure to the hotwife/sharedwife kink. Maybe if Lauren wasn't his brother's wife, he would be open to exploring this kink as a bull. But I don't think so. It goes against his core values... a real man doesn't let another man fuck his wife. It should infuriate him. He should beat the crap out of the guy and throw the wife out of the house. Brand her as a whore. Danny is supposed to have these feelings... not enjoy another man fucking his wife... and certainly not get turned on by it.

So if Adam was a man of true conviction, he would call it off with Lauren and move out as soon as possible. Put this whole sorted thing in the rearview mirror. But he has shown he is not a man of conviction with the fucking of his brother's wife.

He probably knows if he puts up too much of a fuss, he'll lose the best things he's had in a long time... a place to live, food on the table, laundry service, and a beautiful young woman to fuck anytime he wants.

So here is my take on the current situation. Adam has lost most if not all respect for Danny. Can Danny live with that? It'll be difficult. Danny will want to repair their relationship. But as we've seen, Danny is not a communicator. He and Lauren don't have very good communication. And I think that is due to Danny being extremely submissive... he avoids any potential conflict or confrontation. He doesn't talk to his brother... it's Adam who initiates the conversation and Danny can only nod or spit out sentence fragments. Danny is totally unprepared for conversations with Adam because he just doesn't want to think down range. He doesn't have the stomach to guide or influence the direction of this "relationship".

I think the "talk" Adam and Danny had was partially due to the pent up frustration Adam has. Nobody really has a conversation with him. Adam had said to Lauren that she never talks about what is going on with "us". This whole situation could've been eased IF Danny would've had regular conversations with Adam about what is going on. Adam needed to be brought onboard in baby-steps.

I don't think anyone on this board can truly understand what Adam is going through. We are all here because this is our kink, but this is totally out of Adam's wheelhouse. Probably the only exposure Adam has to this kink is when his friends are trashing guys who let others fuck their wives. The kink is looked down on and seen as unmanly... even gay.

Everyone needs to talk... I mean really talk (not sit there and nod and stammer). Geezuz, have a heart-to-heart. Work things out. Letting things go on and happen naturally is the wrong thing to do at this point. Take control of your life. TALK!

You may not totally work things out in the first conversation, but keep at it. Have more conversations. Talk about it at the dinner table. Damn right things will be awkward, but that will be short lived.

BUT, first you and Lauren have to figure out how Adam figures into your marriage. Think about it, and look ahead a few years. Where do you BOTH want things to go. You can't have a meaningful conversation with Adam until you two decide what you want and where you want this to go.

So, Danny, have a heart-to-heart with Lauren. Make a plan. Be prepared for the "talk". Then have a heart-to-heart with Adam. It may not go well. Adam may not like or want to hear what you have to say. If Adam doesn't show signs of being interested in your plans, your next conversation should be to end it all. Tell Adam that this was a mistake and apologize. Things are just too awkward now and he should move out as soon as possible.

Getting Adam to fuck Lauren was pretty easy, you didn't have to do much work. But now if you want things to go in a positive direction with Adam, you will have to work for it. You will have to step out of your comfort zone. Show Adam you are a man... initiate the conversation, take control of the conversation, regain some of the lost respect. You have to approach things from Adam's perspective. Maybe tell some "white lies"... that you have a sexual dysfunction, and are unable to perform sexually. And that you are very happy that he has been helping you out by having great sex with Lauren. And you realized that Adam is a surrogate, and you "participate" vicariously through him, and by transference it becomes a major turn on. You are imagining yourself as being Adam while pleasing Lauren. It gives you pleasure to know she is being pleasured. And you want to be part of the experience by witnessing it.

Letting things slide between you and Adam won't repair your relationship or the way Adam thinks about you. Adam will continue to fuck Lauren, and maybe now with more fervor. He may start thinking that Lauren needs to be with a real man.

[ColoCuck75]

Danny, Even with the current awkwardness did Lauren and Adam still have some sex this weekend? What does Lauren want do about the latest talks? Adam still have plans for her birthday???

[ticklemang]

I forgot about the thing where some people think being a cuck means you’re gay lmao. I guess I can see where it comes from but that’s a pretty antiquated belief that’s not at all grounded in reality haha

[Cuckcuckgoose1]

I think Adam's emotional ties to Danny run very deep... Danny is his little brother. He's his protector and mentor. Doing something sexual directly in front of his little brother is extremely offensive, especially with the little brothers wife. I think the fucking of his brother's wife bothered him... obviously not to the extent of him not fucking her, but I do think there is an amount of guilt and shame associated with it. But he really likes sex... straight sex (sans kinks). It would be interesting to find out how he justifies fucking Lauren. It probably bothers him up to the point where he gets a hard-on.

Adam thinks this whole thing is fucked up. All of this is rolling around inside his brain. He's trying to make sense of it. He's fucked married women before, but as far as he knows they were cheating. So he doesn't have any exposure to the hotwife/sharedwife kink. Maybe if Lauren wasn't his brother's wife, he would be open to exploring this kink as a bull. But I don't think so. It goes against his core values... a real man doesn't let another man fuck his wife. It should infuriate him. He should beat the crap out of the guy and throw the wife out of the house. Brand her as a whore. Danny is supposed to have these feelings... not enjoy another man fucking his wife... and certainly not get turned on by it.

So if Adam was a man of true conviction, he would call it off with Lauren and move out as soon as possible. Put this whole sorted thing in the rearview mirror. But he has shown he is not a man of conviction with the fucking of his brother's wife.

He probably knows if he puts up too much of a fuss, he'll lose the best things he's had in a long time... a place to live, food on the table, laundry service, and a beautiful young woman to fuck anytime he wants.

So here is my take on the current situation. Adam has lost most if not all respect for Danny. Can Danny live with that? It'll be difficult. Danny will want to repair their relationship. But as we've seen, Danny is not a communicator. He and Lauren don't have very good communication. And I think that is due to Danny being extremely submissive... he avoids any potential conflict or confrontation. He doesn't talk to his brother... it's Adam who initiates the conversation and Danny can only nod or spit out sentence fragments. Danny is totally unprepared for conversations with Adam because he just doesn't want to think down range. He doesn't have the stomach to guide or influence the direction of this "relationship".

I think the "talk" Adam and Danny had was partially due to the pent up frustration Adam has. Nobody really has a conversation with him. Adam had said to Lauren that she never talks about what is going on with "us". This whole situation could've been eased IF Danny would've had regular conversations with Adam about what is going on. Adam needed to be brought onboard in baby-steps.

I don't think anyone on this board can truly understand what Adam is going through. We are all here because this is our kink, but this is totally out of Adam's wheelhouse. Probably the only exposure Adam has to this kink is when his friends are trashing guys who let others fuck their wives. The kink is looked down on and seen as unmanly... even gay.

Everyone needs to talk... I mean really talk (not sit there and nod and stammer). Geezuz, have a heart-to-heart. Work things out. Letting things go on and happen naturally is the wrong thing to do at this point. Take control of your life. TALK!

You may not totally work things out in the first conversation, but keep at it. Have more conversations. Talk about it at the dinner table. Damn right things will be awkward, but that will be short lived.

BUT, first you and Lauren have to figure out how Adam figures into your marriage. Think about it, and look ahead a few years. Where do you BOTH want things to go. You can't have a meaningful conversation with Adam until you two decide what you want and where you want this to go.

So, Danny, have a heart-to-heart with Lauren. Make a plan. Be prepared for the "talk". Then have a heart-to-heart with Adam. It may not go well. Adam may not like or want to hear what you have to say. If Adam doesn't show signs of being interested in your plans, your next conversation should be to end it all. Tell Adam that this was a mistake and apologize. Things are just too awkward now and he should move out as soon as possible.

Getting Adam to fuck Lauren was pretty easy, you didn't have to do much work. But now if you want things to go in a positive direction with Adam, you will have to work for it. You will have to step out of your comfort zone. Show Adam you are a man... initiate the conversation, take control of the conversation, regain some of the lost respect. You have to approach things from Adam's perspective. Maybe tell some "white lies"... that you have a sexual dysfunction, and are unable to perform sexually. And that you are very happy that he has been helping you out by having great sex with Lauren. And you realized that Adam is a surrogate, and you "participate" vicariously through him, and by transference it becomes a major turn on. You are imagining yourself as being Adam while pleasing Lauren. It gives you pleasure to know she is being pleasured. And you want to be part of the experience by witnessing it.

Letting things slide between you and Adam won't repair your relationship or the way Adam thinks about you. Adam will continue to fuck Lauren, and maybe now with more fervor. He may start thinking that Lauren needs to be with a real man.

^^^This. Right here.^^^