Wife on a date tonight!

[Johnann2227]

We are giving our weekly swinger party a miss tonight. We ended up getting home at about 8.30am this morning (having stayed at Neil and Lyn's) and Ann was exhausted and went back to bed. She slept till 1pm and when she got up she was still tired. She showed me her pussy and it was puffy and red. Ann's pussy had certainly seen some action from James, Neil and myself and it was paying the price today. She said that even her arse was tender and she wouldn't be fit for tonight.

James was still up to party so he called Brian and Kim to see if they were available tonight. They were and gladly invited him to party with them. Ann and I are going to have a quiet dinner together and then cuddle up on the lounge and watch a movie. It will be lovely just being the two of us.

[venus-can99]

Sounds like Ann and you are getting the much needed break and some quiet time to recover. Hope you have a wonderful relaxing time with each other.

[Cplmaricandau31]

Hello John,

I’ve just read through the 52 pages (53 now) of your fascinating story.
A chronicle of life in Australia (a somewhat unconventional one)!
Thank you so much—it was captivating.

I have to admit that, as the posts went on, I got a bit lost regarding the names of the people involved. I might just have to draw up a chart.

I simply wanted to share a thought I had regarding couples therapy…
If I may share my thoughts—with full empathy and kindness—you are undergoing couples therapy, yet you are actually a "trouple" (a three-person couple): Ann, you, and James.
Don't you think that by taking this approach, you are forcing Ann to make impossible choices? It seems to me that James's actions play a significant role in your difficulties.
I am truly sorry if I am being too intrusive, and I ask for your forgiveness.

That aside, I love your story and the way you tell it.

Apologies, but I am French; English is not a language I speak or write, so I used Google Translate. Please be lenient regarding the phrasing of this post.

Thank you very much, John.
I wish you much happiness.

Alain

[coastalkid]

Welcome to the forum Cplmaricandau!

[Johnann2227]

Hello John,

I’ve just read through the 52 pages (53 now) of your fascinating story.
A chronicle of life in Australia (a somewhat unconventional one)!
Thank you so much—it was captivating.

I have to admit that, as the posts went on, I got a bit lost regarding the names of the people involved. I might just have to draw up a chart.

I simply wanted to share a thought I had regarding couples therapy…
If I may share my thoughts—with full empathy and kindness—you are undergoing couples therapy, yet you are actually a "trouple" (a three-person couple): Ann, you, and James.
Don't you think that by taking this approach, you are forcing Ann to make impossible choices? It seems to me that James's actions play a significant role in your difficulties.
I am truly sorry if I am being too intrusive, and I ask for your forgiveness.

That aside, I love your story and the way you tell it.

Apologies, but I am French; English is not a language I speak or write, so I used Google Translate. Please be lenient regarding the phrasing of this post.

Thank you very much, John.
I wish you much happiness.

Alain

Hi Alain,
Thank you for your comment. I agree that we have become a throuple and I have fully supported this relatiinship change. I actually suggested James move in with us permanently. I supported Ann legally changing her surname from mine to a hyphenated version of his then mine. I still get an erection when I hear her use that new name. I willingly signed up for this new dynamic in our relationship knowing that this would impact me. You are completely right there and I accept that responsibility.

But I noticed that the relationship had changed from a throuple to a couple. It was Ann and James with John the supporting actor. I felt that we were drifting apart and, while I didn't doubt that Ann felt love for me, it was evolving into a more plutonic love. And that is something I cannot and don not want to live with.

The marriage counselling is for Ann, for me, for us. It is not to get a third neutral person to decide that I am right and Ann is wrong. It is to help us work through these feelings and be the best we can be. I want our throuple to work. This was amazing for me as well as Ann. Being able to witness and participate in your wife fucking a handsome, young, well hung stud is amazing. I love it! I don't want it to end. I willingly decided to share the love of my life permanently with another man. This is completely different to sharing her with the hundreds of men she has fucked of the nearly 30 years of our swinging. Those men were just sex. Fun. A fun memory. James is live. Our future.

I just need ti be included and valued. Maybe from this marriage counselling I will discover that I am being unrealistic or even jealous. If so I am willing to work through it.

[pixmangurn]

John, I wonder if Ann without realizing it was trying a little harder with James? With the difference in age might she have insecurities that James will find someone closer to his own age either male or female and move on? Perhaps even unconsciously she was putting in extra effort to try prevent this. Just a thought....
Hopefully counseling will get to the bottom of your recent bumps in the road !

[Johnann2227]

John, I wonder if Ann without realizing it was trying a little harder with James? With the difference in age might she have insecurities that James will find someone closer to his own age either male or female and move on? Perhaps even unconsciously she was putting in extra effort to try prevent this. Just a thought....
Hopefully counseling will get to the bottom of your recent bumps in the road !

Hi pix,
I think this played a huge part in Ann's thinking. She is conscious of the age difference and the looks he gets from men and women when they are out. She is infatuated with him. Ann is conscious that she is 50. She works hard to look and act younger and she does. She passes for 40 but it takes diet, exercise, beauty treatments, botox, lip fillers etc. I think I am fortunate not to have forked out for a boob job already. I know a boob lift is increasingly part of her conversations. So to have a husband who is 16 years younger is mentally tough (but definitely physically pleasurable!)

With me, Ann was not threatened. I had never cheated on her, doted on her, was a year older than her, fully supported her hotwifing. She, in my opinion, subconsciously felt she didn't need to try as hard with me). She appreciatrs how lucky she is to have James. I do too. But she doesn't understand that James feels the same about her. He genuinely loves her. I have heard him introduce her to his work colleagues and people we meet as his wife. Ann needs to realise that James isn't going anywhere.

[Johnann2227]

Last night was lovely, just the two of us. I cooked us steak and eggs and we had a Heineken zero each. We tslked and laughed. An made us a latte each and we cuddled up on lounge with a bowl of buttered popcorn to watch one of our favourites, The Shawshank Redemption. We were one again.

When we went up to bed we showered together and then kissed and cuddled in bed. Ann's pussy and arse were still tender so we had a relaxing 69er. Ann came twice on my face before she got me to stand by the bed and she sucked and jerked my cock till I came.

This morning I woke to Ann sucking my cock. When she saw I was awake she lifted her head and said, "Guess whose pussy is all better now?" She then got up and straddled me, riding my cock cowgirl. When she ground herself to an orgasm I flipped her into a doggy and mounted her. We fucked for a while with Ann rubbing her clit to another orgasm while I had my thumb in her arse. I pounded her hard and came deep in her wet pussy. When I withdrew, Ann sucked my cock clean and then lay back and spread her pussy so I could eat her creampie. Delicious!

Today was a beautiful, sunny winter's day. In our yard we tanned as there was no wind. The pool was still freezing so now swimming. James arrived home around 11.30am with Brian and Kim in tow. They had brought salads, fresh breadrolls and a roast chicken for lunch. When they came outside and saw us tanning nude, they all stripped naked and joined us. The rest of the day was spent tanning, talking and laughing with friends and having the occasional soak in the hottub. No sex. Just friends hanging out together.

[pixmangurn]

Sounds like the perfect date night for you two!

[Johnann2227]

Tomorrow night we have our next marriage counselling session with our psychologist. Strangely, we are both looking forward to it. Ann suggested we both take tomorrow off work and spend the day together at a nude beach we like. She is going to pack a picnic, drinks etc and we will head off just after 9am (after the peak hour rush). It is forecast to be 26 degrees celsius and sunny. A gorgeous day for the first week of spring.

Ann thought a day nude, soaking up the rays and teasing each other with the sunscreen application was a great warm up for tomorrow night's session. I agreed and organised a day off. Thoughtful things like this are showing me she is making an effort.

[Johnann2227]

It is a gorgeous day here at the beach. Sunny, blue sky and currently 26 degrees. A bit of wind getting up but nothing to worry about. The water though, is another matter. Clear and flat but very chilly. Definitely shrinkage material much to Ann's mirth.

Ann wore a sundress and nothing else. As soon as our feet hit the sand it came off and she was in her naked glory. The little minx sneakily wore a turquoise jewelled butt plug that I didn't see until she asked me to put tanning oil onher back, arse and legs. There it was peeking out from between her arse chheks. Instant erection!

It is quiet here today with only about 20 other people on the beach. No families with kids so there is the opportunity for some play.

[Johnann2227]

Our counselling session was excellent tonight. Laura asked us about when we felt jealous in our early years of swinging and we honestly had to say that we didn't feel jealous. In fact it was the opposite. We both derived pleasure watching the other fuck. Laura seemed intrigued by this. She asked me how I felt about Ann getting intimate with someone who I was more attractive than myself. Someone more hung. Did I feel threatened?

I told her that I was proud that someone like that was attracted to my wife. I loved seeing Ann receiving pleasure from such a man. Ann replied the same when she was asked. Laura asked us what boundaries or rules we had set for our swinging. Not many was our response. Not taking one for the team. Same room sex. Condoms at all times. No rough play or water sports.

Laura then asked how we moved into hotwifing. We talked about that and then she asked about boundaries or rules. We said condoms again. Our biggy was that if feelings of love were forming from either party then the relatiinship had to end. This was to be anout sex and fun not love.

Laura asked why we had that rule and who had suggested it? We thought about it and said it was a rule from when we had decided to have an open marrisge and we were both dating other people. I said that I felt that I had suggested that rule.

Laura asked why I sugested that rule for our open marriage and swinging when we didn't have it for our swinging? That took us down a rabbit hole. Laura concluded the session by saying, "John, you were happy sharing Ann with numerous men and women in your swinging lifestyle but when it came to hotwifing you set the rule protecting your marriage from Ann falling in love with the men and women she was dating. Why? That is my homework for our next session in 2 weeks.

When we got home, James had eaten and was relaxing nude in front of the tv. Ann went straight to him, stripped and gave him a deep kiss. We chatted and then I made coffees while they talked and kissed. James suggested a soak in the hottub but I told them to go ahead without me. I thought they may enjoy some quiet time together. I can see out our french doors and Ann is bent over the side of the tub while James is fucking her vigorously.

[Johnann2227]

It is Father's Day here in Australia and I got the best present ever. Scarlett secretly arrived home from Europe last night while we were out partying. We were laying in bed this morning when our bedroom door opened and Scarlett called out, "Happy Father's Day!" I couldn't believe it!

Scarlett's initial plans were to come home late August but the Anissa and Scarlett decided to go to the UK and would probably come home mid October. Noah had picked her and Anissa up last night from the airport as a surprise for us.

Scarlett looks fabulous! Healthy, a wonderful, dark all over tan, a little thinner but still ok, with a tattoo down her spine. Hmmm. Anissa is at Adam and Belinda's surprising them. Scarlett told us all about their trip but then said that her and Anissa are in love and are serious. They want to live together and Scarlett asked if we minded Anissa moving in with us?

No problems from us as Anissa is part of the family anyway. Also she has grown up in a household very similar to ours and enjoys a nudist lifestyle. Ann spoke to Scarlett about whether she has moved more lesbian than bi but Scarlett said that they both still regularly like cock but only as a FWB rather than a relatiinship.

[54321]

Lyn opened the door wearing a tiny black lace suspender belt, sheer black stockings and 4 inch platform stilletos. You could see her piercings, nipples, belly button and pussy, clearly. Lyn welcomed us with a deep french kiss while Neil shook hands with James and I and also French kissed Ann. When Lyn turned to walk us into their apartment I saw that she had a white bunnytail buttplug inserted. Sexy!

LOVE IT!!!

54321

[pixmangurn]

'Scarlett called out, "Happy Father's Day!" I couldn't believe it!'

What a wonderful surprise, Happy Australian Fathers day John!

Hoping you are in a much better head space with the improvement in your relationship with Ann, open, frank talk with the therapist (she sounds like a good one!) and the return of your daughter !

[54321]

Laura asked why I sugested that rule for our open marriage and swinging when we didn't have it for our swinging? That took us down a rabbit hole. Laura concluded the session by saying, "John, you were happy sharing Ann with numerous men and women in your swinging lifestyle but when it came to hotwifing you set the rule protecting your marriage from Ann falling in love with the men and women she was dating. Why? That is my homework for our next session in 2 weeks.

No one in the Lifestyle wants their partner to fall in love with someone else and leave.
In swinging, everything is finite and controlled. You go to the party or a club together. You fuck people. You go home together. Emotions are more easily kept in check.

An open marriage is far less defined. Emotions have much more opportunity to take over. You certainly became infatuated and fell in love back when you were single and dating. That experience, and common sense warns you to be on your guard for just such a development in case it should cause a relationship split. It's just common sense.

But none of that is the issue here.

You have chosen to form a polycule with James on the understanding that love need NOT cause a relationship to split and for quite a while everything looked good at least until lately.

It seems to me that for years before this relationship, you and Anne had been sexually non-monogamous but emotionally monogamous and that is fine. Monogamy though is a very powerful habit which is constantly reinforced by culture, society and entertainment. The rules of monogamy demand that Anne must invest her feelings in you or James. The rules of non-monogamy allow Anne to invest her feelings in you AND James.

Emotional monogamy is so ingrained in all of us that it is easy for it to take over. It's important to STOP and consider that this non-monogamous relationship must be PLAYED BY NON-MONOGAMOUS rules. The whole point of any successful relationship is that the people in it, be they two, three or more, are equally emotionally invested in it.

If there is romantic, sexual love between all three and there is a commitment to nurture and protect that love, your polycule has a great future.

Every good wish,

54321

[54321]

Actually, John, I think you knew all of this already. You just needed to have it confirmed by a third person.
The therapist, who clearly has not met anything like this before, is actually trying to catch up.

54321

[Johnann2227]

Laura asked why I sugested that rule for our open marriage and swinging when we didn't have it for our swinging? That took us down a rabbit hole. Laura concluded the session by saying, "John, you were happy sharing Ann with numerous men and women in your swinging lifestyle but when it came to hotwifing you set the rule protecting your marriage from Ann falling in love with the men and women she was dating. Why? That is my homework for our next session in 2 weeks.

No one in the Lifestyle wants their partner to fall in love with someone else and leave.
In swinging, everything is finite and controlled. You go to the party or a club together. You fuck people. You go home together. Emotions are more easily kept in check.

An open marriage is far less defined. Emotions have much more opportunity to take over. You certainly became infatuated and fell in love back when you were single and dating. That experience, and common sense warns you to be on your guard for just such a development in case it should cause a relationship split. It's just common sense.

But none of that is the issue here.

You have chosen to form a polycule with James on the understanding that love need NOT cause a relationship to split and for quite a while everything looked good at least until lately.

It seems to me that for years before this relationship, you and Anne had been sexually non-monogamous but emotionally monogamous and that is fine. Monogamy though is a very powerful habit which is constantly reinforced by culture, society and entertainment. The rules of monogamy demand that Anne must invest her feelings in you or James. The rules of non-monogamy allow Anne to invest her feelings in you AND James.

Emotional monogamy is so ingrained in all of us that it is easy for it to take over. It's important to STOP and consider that this non-monogamous relationship must be PLAYED BY NON-MONOGAMOUS rules. The whole point of any successful relationship is that the people in it, be they two, three or more, are equally emotionally invested in it.

If there is romantic, sexual love between all three and there is a commitment to nurture and protect that love, your polycule has a great future.

Every good wish,

54321

Hi 54321,
Thank you for your inciteful thoughts. I believe you are right. I have done a lot of honest reflection since our session with Laura. All those years ago I suggested the rule that if either party started having feelings of love then the relationship had to end. I subconsciously, even back then, was scared of losing Ann to a better man. I have always appreciated how lucky I am to have married such an intelligent, beautiful, considerate and sexy woman. Snd I now realise how scared I was of losing her.

Looking back, swinging wasn't a threat. It was just sex. Fucking. Fun. I was there. But our open marriage and then hotwifing was different. I was allowing a single guy time on his own with the love of my life. I was allowing him to wine and dine her, spend a whole night with her, romance her. I obviously, deep down, saw the danger in this. It wasn't that I didn't trust Ann, I didn't trust love. It was also this deep fear that caused my date night anxiety where I would feel sick with anxiety but still jerk my cock mutiple times throughout the night.

I can now see that I have partially set Ann up to fail. I have allowed the only boyfriend she has ever fallen in love with to move in permanently with us as her second husband. I have then expected that swinging standards apply. Here I am, organising Ann and James' commitment ceremony in front of family and friends, but then expect swinging standards apply. Fucked up haven't I?

I still have the issue though of not having been equally involved in the relationship. Ann admits she was solely focussed on James and I was turning into a friend. She has also spoke to me of her fears that James will leave us. She is very aware of their age difference.

I feel like I have made a huge break through in my thinking. I can't wait to get back to Laura for our next session. Ann can't wait also. Thanks 54321 for helping me.

[ma2foru]

That was a great post John. Nobody failed things just accelerated and the dynamic changed. We can all learn from it.