Jane' adventure

[Hotwife_Mustang]

We've cleared the air very well. Jane hasn't posted, i think, because of some hurtful comments that were made, some of which were sent out in private messages.

What???? Some coward out there sniping at her behind her back????

Much as I hate to see ugly comments written publicly on the forum itself, at least those authors are honest.

Gheesh.

Please tell Jane that she has friends here - and there will always be Bully Boys and Heathers in every group.

I'm glad to see that you've cleared the air. It really is a process, as I said, and all couples have "moments". You just post yours in public, which makes you targets for this sort of behavior.

Mustang

[allengt]

We've cleared the air very well. Jane hasn't posted, i think, because of some hurtful comments that were made, some of which were sent out in private messages.

Tell Jane to just ignore them. The only reason they do not try to pust it in the forum is because they know it will not be permitted as those type post are against forum rules.

[54321]

Dear Jane,

A lot of people on this board (including me) posted about you because we care about YOU.

There will always be some others who are basically posting about themselves. Let them!

Sincere good wishes,

54321

[bubbajack]

Dear Jane,

Some people cannot seem to control their urge to blame someone - anyone - for thoughts which make them uncomfortable.

Obviously, a person who would send you a hurtful PM after reading your thread deeply misunderstands how little he (I am presuming most of the shitty ones came from men) could possibly know about the actual situation that he thinks disturbing thoughts about.

I know that you are not made of iron and that negative commentary is upsetting. I hope you will soon come to realize how totally off base your unwanted correspondents really are and come back to posting again.

Best to you and David

[jane]

the only other thing new to report is i met with a man i saw a while back. he's married, kind of guilty. i wasn't sure what we'd do, but we only ended up talking. he doesn't really want to do this kind of thing anymore. i'm kind of glad for him that he's not going to do any more behind his wife's back.

[wifewatcher1001]

"Don't even know what i want to say publicly about it. I'm pissed. He came over, had dinner , and then started talking about taking her on vacation. We were planning one, and i said so, and he said 'i own her pussy'. I jumped up, shoved him, and then he punched me! It went on from there and got worse. Jane was mad at both of us, and i was mad she wasn't madder at him."

You're all frgging nuts.

David, Christ man. You were in the right on this. Fuck Deron!

[jane]

oh good grief

[ner]

David, you are clearly out of line, it's not your place to tell him if he can go to vexation with her. He is the alpha man he knows it she knows it and you also know it. More over if you forgot he reminded you politely by telling you he own her pussy. It's well come knowledge that t
He who own the pussy own the women. So I think you need to apologize to deron and ofer to by the ticket. I sure know if it was my wife bf I would done the same. Heck you lucky he still permit you to touch her. You need to be grateful.

[Morgan]

Dear Jane & David,
I have refrained from commenting through the past little episode.
I have nothing relevant to contribute, but it has been fascinating to follow along.
I am posting this to thank you for putting up with the flotsam & jetsam that is currently washing up on shore.

[54321]

I found Wifewatcher 1001 and Ner's comments really funny! In fact, a good sense of humour at this point would be great.

Thanks,

54321

PS. errrr... they were supposed to be funny weren't they?

[volatility]

Is it no wonder that when you play with fire, you will eventually get burned?

This statement is probably the most factually accurate message on this entire thread thus far.

Well put and beautifully executed. Subtle but powerful. A sharp remark that doesn't point fingers at anyone per se, but leaves the reader to come to his/her own conclusions.

[mrs_palmetto]

HornyHenry666-

I think your remark is completely manipulative. When people come to a forum and "share" openly they will hear opinions from both sides... If it isn't an opinion they like they can ignore that opinion. BUT the facts are Jane AND HER HUSBAND are being spoken to here.

People are allowed to speak are they not?

[volatility]

HornyHenry666-

I think your remark is completely manipulative. When people come to a forum and "share" openly they will hear opinions from both sides... If it isn't an opinion they like they can ignore that opinion. BUT the facts are Jane AND HER HUSBAND are being spoken to here.

Agreed Mrs P.

While I'm all for Henry choosing how to get himself off, if you want us to sit back and just mindlessly keep encouraging people regardless of their actions then this wouldn't be much of a forum at all. Now I'm not suggesting people resort to ad hominem or derisive attacks nonstop. However, I think people can offer their $.02 without being overly offensive and contribute to the forum in general.

[MrBrunetteBeth]

there was nothing behind anybodies back, I gather, just PMs sent direct

these people don't think they are being bad, they truly think they are trying to help by expressing themselves with their "hurtful" comments and don't recognize them for what they are

Jane and JH have to deal with this their own way I suppose, ignore it as I imagine I would or come down on those people (Jane's "good grief" is as far as she'll let herself go, apparently) or go underground which of course would be terribly unfortunate. Some of those that think they are "helping" are making them feel bad about themselves - STOP IT!

MrBB

[mrs_palmetto]

Now I'm not suggesting people resort to ad hominem or derisive attacks nonstop. However, I think people can offer their $.02 without being overly offensive and contribute to the forum in general.

Exactly babe! If people wanna share and not hear anything in return then perhaps speaking to a wall in their house is just as effective.

[MrBrunetteBeth]

And no MrsP, you are not allowed to speak

Just sit there and look pretty

MrBB

[mrs_palmetto]

And no MrsP, you are not allowed to speak

Just sit there and look pretty

MrBB

"Ignoring you" See how that is done? LMAO

[Trifecta]

This thread should be renamed "How to fuck up a marriage - 101".

[Melinda]

I just had say good luck and hoping it work out.

After all smoke clear gosh them are M E N. Sometimes saying fuck you just not enough for them. Them testosterone spike and them maturity sink and then an altercation. As long as them not break furniture who cares.

If me wanted someone who have little more self control and dignity I would married white British man.

[MrBrunetteBeth]

Ignorance is an excellent way to put it

[mrs_palmetto]

I do have a question for David..

(Fight is over) - We all know..

BUT what was it? Was it what he said, "Her pussy is mine" at the kitchen table or was it the vacation talk? What triggered you to shove him?

[bubbajack]

Everybody knows there is a difference between disagreeing and being disagreeble.

It's hard to define that difference, though. The situation is akin to the immortal statement of the US Supreme Court Justice about obscenity: "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it"!

I personally find some of the "opinions" that people are asserting their God-given right to express to be ignorant, judgmental, prejudiced and, worst of all, purely self-indulgent. They show no interest in being helpful in any way - not to Jane and David, to the rest of us, nor to improving the general practice of hotwifing.

I don't know why anyone would wish to be responsible for injecting such useless rubbish into a forum discussion. There is, unfortunately, no cure for it other than people exercising individual self-restraint in the interests of constructive dialogue.

Ha!

[BkkDennis]

My guess is that most readers regardless of their personal views support Jane and JH in working through the trials of a very difficult situation. I know I feel that way. When they are ready and sufficiently healed we will hear more from them.

To send either of them judgemental PMs is unconscionable. Fie upon all those who did such a thing. I suggest we give them the space to use the maturity they have shown us through the many pages of this very personal diary to reach the next step in their journey.

Best wishes - Dennis

[volatility]

Everybody knows there is a difference between disagreeing and being disagreeble.

It's hard to define that difference, though. The situation is akin to the immortal statement of the US Supreme Court Justice about obscenity: "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it"!

I personally find some of the "opinions" that people are asserting their God-given right to express to be ignorant, judgmental, prejudiced and, worst of all, purely self-indulgent. They show no interest in being helpful in any way - not to Jane and David, to the rest of us, nor to improving the general practice of hotwifing.

I don't know why anyone would wish to be responsible for injecting such useless rubbish into a forum discussion. There is, unfortunately, no cure for it other than people exercising individual self-restraint in the interests of constructive dialogue.

Ha!

Invariably what you and I find as "constructive dialogue" probably varies and is open to interpretation. As I mentioned earlier, ad hominem attacks and the like are probably not the best way to make an effective point. However, expressing disagreement by no means indicates an individual's contempt for someone else. While I understand this is a forum for people to come together, share experiences, etc. there is bound to be some differences in our perspectives. Sometimes they manifest themselves in a rather acerbic rant, but I contend the benefits of free expression far outweigh the drawbacks.

BTW as humans we're all inherently judgmental (even if we outwardly deny it). Society and nature makes it difficult to live without forming opinions and judgments. We can choose to either accept that fact or continue residing in a fool's paradise.

[bubbajack]

"BTW as humans we're all inherently judgmental (even if we outwardly deny it). Society and nature makes it difficult to live without forming opinions and judgments. We can choose to either accept that fact or continue residing in a fool's paradise."

Of course it is unavoidable that we form differing opinions and judgments - and we do so for the fundamental reasons you suggest. There are multiple values, each intrinsically a "good" considered on its own, which when realized in combination (as they always are) result in every kind of experience from sweet to grossly evil. No one is contending that it is possible or even desirable to achieve a paradise of mutual acceptance and support and love and peace on this board or in any other human context.

But there are differences of degree that make all the difference. I am contending that discourse about subject matter here - which I would characterize as a comparatively minor boundary dispute in a relationship where boundary-testing is the principal point of the relationship - is not likely to be improved by "acerbic rants". If there were some sort of injustice or breach of trust involved it might be helpful to raise a ruckus. But here ... I don't think so.

I also hope David will answer Mrs. Palmetto's question - now THAT's a promising line of inquiry for adding usefully to the body of hotwifing practice!