Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

[Hobby_Fan]

I’m glad she gave him the Heisman after his insensitive approach. Feelings matter and in the HW, world, I’d imagine they matter even more. His actions indicate to me he only cares about getting off and doesn’t consider the needs of others as he should, at first.

Good for her!

[slenderfish]

I’m glad she gave him the Heisman after his insensitive approach. Feelings matter and in the HW, world, I’d imagine they matter even more. His actions indicate to me he only cares about getting off and doesn’t consider the needs of others as he should, at first.

Good for her!

I always wondered what was different about me that she really never got serious with another man after she and I dated in 2001/2002 for about ten months. When I came back around about four years later, she had dated but no marriage engagements, etc. She doesn't look back with fondness on these guys.

One thing that stands out is that on our first real date, the one where she told me she was moving (turns out to NYC), she did initiate with a skillful blow job and I reciprocated with a well-committed effort in her sweet pussy.

Also when I did arrange to see her some weeks later in NYC, we had a big night out and I remember having one of the best nights ever with her, we had slow and relaxed sex after dancing to some music in the hotel suite (after dinner and drinks, etc.) and went back and forth alternating with my mouth and cock inside her. After giving her a massive orgasm with my mouth she was done and didn't make any mention of my not having "finished" during the process>

I always mention to people that they should pay attention to early cues when dating, that people really are consistent with themselves in every aspect of their lives. In looking back, this was a cue that she really doesn't naturally pay a lot of attention to the man's needs. But I'll add that she readily provides when asked. Almost like a blind spot for her.

I think we saw this with Mr. S. She was very caught up within herself (for very good reason) and wasn't paying attention to what he was seeing and hearing through his male ears and male ago. Same blind spot.

[slenderfish]

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[BallSpanking]

She is absolutely correct, and she need not reply to his texts.
And she need not explain or justify herself further to Mr S.
The guy showed his hand, and she can expect that she saw who he really is.
Next.

[slenderfish]

She is absolutely correct, and she need not reply to his texts.
And she need not explain or justify herself further to Mr S.
The guy showed his hand, and she can expect that she saw who he really is.
Next.

Of course, this is/was all about her. The man who is on the receiving end of her hotwife pleasured better have that as his premise or it'll never work out. This is a huge benefit to a hotwife, that the man knows and accepts this from the outset.

[BallSpanking]

As you earlier mentioned, maybe the laying of some more groundwork/clarification could have helped Mr S figure out what she was conveying (does S stand for Stumble?), and as a first effort, it has good insights to offer. Still, I think Mr S showed his hand, and quite likely Slenderwife did not appreciate being treated that way.

He should have known better, she earlier put him on notice as to her tenuous emotional state, etc, but he was too focused on getting between her thighs to catch-on. It is a common problem with humans, they tend to be caught-up in their inner dialogue and pay scant attention to exterior cues. A fatal flaw.

Anyway, the positive thing is he revealed himself early, and that ended his game. Good for Slenderwife.

[bubbajack]

This Forum provides wonderful evidence of just how deeply mysterious the basic proposition of human sexuality is.

It is utterly amazing, after all, that two distinct individuals can sometimes cooperate to stimulate in each other feelings that are so deeply subjective as to be nearly inaccessible to the ordinary habituated conscious awareness of the person being stimulated.

Or something ...

[solstice]

Mr S seems to have a attitude of entitlement in his reaction of your wife slowing things down, and his request for her to move the meeting place nearer.

[wannabecUKold]

Mr S seems to have a attitude of entitlement in his reaction of your wife slowing things down, and his request for her to move the meeting place nearer.

I agree with that. Slenderfish suggests that "she really doesn't naturally pay a lot of attention to the man's needs" and "She was very caught up within herself (for very good reason) and wasn't paying attention to what he was seeing and hearing through his male ears and male ago. Same blind spot."

But it seems more to me that Mr S wasn't listening to her. She mentioned two big issues ( 9/11 and her mother) that were upsetting her.
Sure, he could chance his hand but, when she continues to say No, it was appalling that he then starts insisting. After all, she had put herself out, seeing him close to his house, in an upmarket hotel. He had done nothing (apart from buying the drinks, I hope).

[Hobby_Fan]

I always mention to people that they should pay attention to early cues when dating, that people really are consistent with themselves in every aspect of their lives. In looking back, this was a cue that she really doesn't naturally pay a lot of attention to the man's needs. But I'll add that she readily provides when asked. Almost like a blind spot for her.

Brilliant post. I’ve always viewed sex as trying to outplease my partner. If I make her happy, as happy as can be, I’ll get mine...

[slenderfish]

Update on Mr. B

If you recall we have plans tomorrow night to go out. I made a rez for four and mentioned to Slenderwife to invite a girlfriend. She came back with let's invite Mr. B. I asked her to reach out to him if she prefers that plan and she did so. He said he would like to join. Slenderwife said he should invite Ms. R who he likely has been seeing since he and Ms. R were getting busy at our little party a couple of weekends ago.

Turns out he said he never even got her number and has not been in touch with her.

Slenderwife said I should arrange something or someone as a fourth person. I again suggested her religious girlfriend, who is eye candy and wow factor enough that Mr. B would be happy to have her and would readily take care of her dinner as a gentleman (and my own inner dialogue that Mr. B will continue to try and impress Slenderwife). Slenderwife said I should brainstorm and come up with a better solution. I told her I would do so, but the risk is we end up as three for dinner, which I also said will work for me.

But I'm a resourceful chap and remembered running into one of my super-hot acquaintances while at lunch last Friday with one of my buddies (she was riding to another lunch on her bike and heard we would be there so stopped for a minute to say hi, and the minute turned into a half hour). She'd mentioned plans to be somewhere the following Wed night and she knows we do "boys night" on some Wednesdays, noting we should stop by this new place she just loves, with live music etc.

So I dragged this same buddy out on Wed to this place and surprised her. She was "holding court" at the best table, and I was referred over there by the host when i just said her name ("Ms. C"). She is a 10/10 and (she doesn't know I know this) did a pictorial in a well-known lifestyle magazine about a decade ago. She is the nicest, sweetest positive person and everyone loves her. I do well with women of this level, I think I can meet them where they live and they recognized this. In any case, I asked her if she will be around this upcoming weekend, as I have a reservation at a great place (nearby) with Slenderwife (whom she has met once previously) and this great guy Mr. B. I said she can trust my judgement, she will like the group. She said she may be traveling and won't know until late Thursday. I said I'd be in touch to follow up.

I mentioned this outreach to Slenderwife and she said I should definitely invite Ms. C because clearly Mr. B has no plan. I was open to it because Ms. C lives generally close to the restaurant and would go directly home after, and the three of us (the "threesome" ) will then go back to my place because we carpooled, etc.

I formally invited Ms. C.

Time passed and I had a call set for 2 pm with Mr. B but for some reason he called Slenderwife at 1:55 and when she didn't take his call he pushed my call to later. I mentioned this to Slenderwife and said he clearly wants to talk to you prior to me. So she tried calling him but he was already calling me, so I picked up on speaker. She listened and gestured for me to keep quiet about her being present.

He asked if either of us had been in contact with Ms. R (again, the one he'd gotten together with at our house) since then. He said that she was very vigorous in her lovemaking and he would be happy to get together again with her, but not sure about the temperature of any such conversation. He said he doesn't see himself getting serious with Ms. R but if she is game for a repeat of that prior weekend (e.g. a "sure thing") then he would much prefer over an unknown new person (e.g. Ms. C). I said I'd handle it, which I did. I reached out to Ms. R and told her of our plans to go out on Saturday night and if Mr. B might invite her, would she be inclined to participate? She said yes, and I asked if I could the provide her contact info to Mr B for the purpose, to which she said yes. I then tossed this info over to Mr. B and he asked if I'd also brought up the part where the premise is no relationship. I told him he is certainly capable of having that conversation with Ms. C himself.

He sent a text to me later that night that he and Ms. R are confirmed for Saturday night.

But not before Ms. C accepted my invitation, and that she had cancelled her plans to join us.

So today I let Ms. C know that apparently Mr. B has a preference for someone and has invited her, and that we will have to reschedule with Ms. C.

I told Slenderwife that Mr. B is making a mistake, that Ms. C is more his type, etc. She said that Mr. B is a dog and would rather go for the sure thing. I agreed.

Mr. B today called me and asked if we still have that apartment, that he would like to use it with Ms. R after the dinner. Sorry, we gave that up at the end of July. He will have to work something out for that.

Curious to watch Slenderwife as all this will be in front of her all night at the dinner tomorrow.

[slenderfish]

Good luck. My wife is having a party this weekend and her FWB just invited himself. Hope we both hit a home run! Love your story and your wife sounds like a lot of fun. And she is gorgeous!

Best wishes to you and your wife for a fulfilling time (there I go again with the word play).

I'll be still hotwifing vicariously.

[slenderfish]

Following up on my recent post about Slenderwife having a blind spot in that she doesn't naturally think about the man's perspective/wants/desires/etc.

Last night (Thursday) after she went into the details of how the night with Mr. S did and did not work out, she went on with her night as if it was nothing, no offer of physical intimacy with me, no virtual "reclaim sex" or anything. I decided not to make an issue of it at the time, because I was letting the feelings wash over me and I used them to find clarity and that's when I landed on this "blind spot" concept. Many things suddenly made sense, going back. I mean, WOW. All the way back to our wedding night. Back even earlier, when she was incredulous that I broke up with her after finding out in a bizarre happenstance way that she was still living with her boyfriend the entire time we'd been dating. The recent night with Mr. B while they were alone and it was apparent to me (and I'm sure anyone who sees the video clips) that she was seducing Mr. B. The time she stumbled out of the bedroom at our apartment where she was alone with Mr. B, and her breast was fully out of her bra. Etc. etc.

But also my realization that she readily jumps into action when asked. I just elected not to ask last night. I can ask by actions, by just starting into it. Which I will do.

This kind of reveal via writing and introspection is very illuminating and rewarding. Ms. Slenderfish and I are certainly learning more about ourselves and each other.

And that's a powerful outcome irrespective of the sex, etc.

[Mark K]

Thanks for the updates! It will be an interesting weekend/dinner for sure. Love your 'play by play' updates; and especially the writing style.

[BallSpanking]

I am willing to accept Slenderwife's natural flirtation is part of her biology, and she is generally unaware of it ... But what can one think when her actions/behavior clearly cross the line, yet she is reluctant to admit it?
Surely she must admit it to herself, she knows the truth of the matter. But can she admit it to her husband, and if not, why not?

[slenderfish]

I am willing to accept Slenderwife's natural flirtation is part of her biology, and she is generally unaware of it ... But what can one think when her actions/behavior clearly cross the line, yet she is reluctant to admit it?
Surely she must admit it to herself, she knows the truth of the matter. But can she admit it to her husband, and if not, why not?

This appears to be the crux of the matter, the mystery that remains to be cracked.

It's my suspicion that her "blind spot" as I have been calling it, is in actuality a "denial spot" which she has developed for some reason, perhaps a defense mechanism or something else. The denial is so strong it manifests as a blind spot.

Just my present postulate.

I'll give it some thought before spilling a bunch of conjectures here and now.

[slenderfish]

I am willing to accept Slenderwife's natural flirtation is part of her biology, and she is generally unaware of it ... But what can one think when her actions/behavior clearly cross the line, yet she is reluctant to admit it?
Surely she must admit it to herself, she knows the truth of the matter. But can she admit it to her husband, and if not, why not?

I would love to post some of the video clips so you can see the action. But don't know how to approach this in a secure way. I am resourceful when it comes to technology so perhaps I'll figure out a way.

[BallSpanking]

If you can, fine, if you can't, don't worry. The real question is whether Mr B was in the bedroom with her at that point, or had already gone downstairs. All we have on that is her word, and video that does not show him exiting. Is that conclusive? No. Is it strongly probative? Yes.

[slenderfish]

If you can, fine, if you can't, don't worry. The real question is whether Mr B was in the bedroom with her at that point, or had already gone downstairs. All we have on that is her word, and video that does not show him exiting. Is that conclusive? No. Is it strongly probative? Yes.

More about the body language. I have my perspective but wonder if it might be influenced by my hotwife predilictions.

[afagehi7]

I am willing to accept Slenderwife's natural flirtation is part of her biology, and she is generally unaware of it ... But what can one think when her actions/behavior clearly cross the line, yet she is reluctant to admit it?
Surely she must admit it to herself, she knows the truth of the matter. But can she admit it to her husband, and if not, why not?

I would love to post some of the video clips so you can see the action. But don't know how to approach this in a secure way. I am resourceful when it comes to technology so perhaps I'll figure out a way.

You can use erome or something similar. Xvideos and a password? Perhaps leave it up for 2-3 days and take it down.

What do you mean "I do well with women of this level, I think I can meet them where they live and they recognized this." You're saying that you do well with 10/10 hotties so how so?

Also, you've never posted pics of yourself. I always like seeing what kind of stud gets such a hotwife. Is he rich? Hung? An adonis? Ripped and very fit?

Perhaps the aforesaid physical qualifications helps you do well with hot women? It certainly helps.

[slenderfish]

Mr S seems to have a attitude of entitlement in his reaction of your wife slowing things down, and his request for her to move the meeting place nearer.

I agree with that. Slenderfish suggests that "she really doesn't naturally pay a lot of attention to the man's needs" and "She was very caught up within herself (for very good reason) and wasn't paying attention to what he was seeing and hearing through his male ears and male ago. Same blind spot."

But it seems more to me that Mr S wasn't listening to her. She mentioned two big issues ( 9/11 and her mother) that were upsetting her.
Sure, he could chance his hand but, when she continues to say No, it was appalling that he then starts insisting. After all, she had put herself out, seeing him close to his house, in an upmarket hotel. He had done nothing (apart from buying the drinks, I hope).

Last night she went through the details for "my" pleasure" and I could not find any in her recap.

She said they were there at the bar/restaurant for almost two hours, good conversation, etc. They left after it closed (I'd say this was 10:30 p.m.) and walked around to the restrooms because each of them needed to use the restroom after sitting at the bar so long.

When she came out of the ladies' room (these are the hotel lobby restrooms) he went up to her and kissed, and almost without any delay thrust his hand down the front of her jeans right there adjacent to the lobby. '

Game over. Major fail.

Schmuck. Ruined my orgasm.

So I moved our discussion to a fantasy with Mr. B. I wanted to find out if she might respond to this. She went along for a bit but asked me to change, that she would rather something else.

I asked her to tell me how it would have been with Mr. S if he had been the right guy on Friday night, how it would have gone in her fantasy if then Saturday night was a perfect date night, her getting ready, shaving herself bare, nervous energy, going out, seeing his desire for her, their going back to her hotel room after, stepping out of her leopard-print dress while still in her black heels, standing there in front of him in those heels and her thong panties and bare pussy peeking out, what she thinks he would do to her, etc.

At this point she used her hand to increase her pleasure while I was inside her from behind, and she reached a strong orgasm, so much pent-up energy.

I continued when she was recovered, and asked her if she would tell him what she wanted.

She said she would not tell him anything, but rather let him do to her whatever he wanted.

She would submit to him.

This almost stopped me in my tracks. Or I should say, stopped me in mid-thrust. But I covered the moment and continued, immediately moving on top of her (into missionary which she prefers) and she suddenly became extra wet. She said she would love to be on her back, opening her legs for Mr. S and being physically covered by him and his body, taking his cock deep insider of her. We continued like this for some time and then I reached my climax.

It was late and after we did a minimum of cleanup, we fell promptly asleep.

[36DDwife]

Mr S seems to have a attitude of entitlement in his reaction of your wife slowing things down, and his request for her to move the meeting place nearer.

I agree with that. Slenderfish suggests that "she really doesn't naturally pay a lot of attention to the man's needs" and "She was very caught up within herself (for very good reason) and wasn't paying attention to what he was seeing and hearing through his male ears and male ago. Same blind spot."

But it seems more to me that Mr S wasn't listening to her. She mentioned two big issues ( 9/11 and her mother) that were upsetting her.
Sure, he could chance his hand but, when she continues to say No, it was appalling that he then starts insisting. After all, she had put herself out, seeing him close to his house, in an upmarket hotel. He had done nothing (apart from buying the drinks, I hope).

Last night she went through the details for "my" pleasure" and I could not find any in her recap.

She said they were there for almost two hours, good conversation, etc. The left the bar/restaurant after it closed (I'd say this was 10:30 p.m.) and walked around to the restrooms because each of them needed to use the restroom after sitting at the bar so long.

When she came out of the ladies' room (these are the hotel lobby restrooms) he went up to her and kissed, and almost without any delay thrust his hand down the front of her jeans right there adjacent to the lobby. '

Game over. Major fail.

Schmuck.

Damn. What is he? A teenage boy on his first date?

[Dharmadude]

This blind spot you reference would explain a lot of her “omissions” in how she sees her behavior. Interesting thought that it has evolved into a “denial spot” as you suggested. No deliberate intent to hide just an internal filing away in the denial column. Intriguing psychology if that is the case.

And agreed, Mr. S is a complete tool. Henhad a golden opportunity to be the first to spend an evening with a gorgeous HW, and possibly even more in the future. And he resorts to that juvenile stunt. Yep, he’s kicking himself in the balls now.

[slenderfish]

I am willing to accept Slenderwife's natural flirtation is part of her biology, and she is generally unaware of it ... But what can one think when her actions/behavior clearly cross the line, yet she is reluctant to admit it?
Surely she must admit it to herself, she knows the truth of the matter. But can she admit it to her husband, and if not, why not?

I would love to post some of the video clips so you can see the action. But don't know how to approach this in a secure way. I am resourceful when it comes to technology so perhaps I'll figure out a way.

You can use erome or something similar. Xvideos and a password? Perhaps leave it up for 2-3 days and take it down.

What do you mean "I do well with women of this level, I think I can meet them where they live and they recognized this." You're saying that you do well with 10/10 hotties so how so?

Also, you've never posted pics of yourself. I always like seeing what kind of stud gets such a hotwife. Is he rich? Hung? An adonis? Ripped and very fit?

Perhaps the aforesaid physical qualifications helps you do well with hot women? It certainly helps.

I'll post some pics with me in them at some point. This is about Slenderwife, not me, but I understand the curiousity.

I'm generally a good observer of people. I take my time and listen before talking. I lead with my smile. I can be coy and at the same time friendly.

I'm fit (lean muscle not burly) and dress well, better than any of my social crowd of guy friends. A beautiful woman who pays extra attention to her look, her styling, her scent, her hair, her nails, etc. also pays attention and readily notices a man who may appreciate all that, based on his dress. Luckily for me, the bar is quite low for men on this point. Over time my guy friends have started to dress better. Go figure.

I pay extra for a premium haircut. I do subtle things like have my eyebrows trimmed, especially as I get older and they are going out of control. So I subtly stand out from the other guys. An exquisite woman notices these little things. I wear nice shoes, shoes with a just bit of personality. Also a reasonably nice premium wristwatch.

Note the physical care and the clothes styling have been greatly enhanced by Slenderwife. She is the queen of aesthetics. She pushed me into most of the body care elements, such as when I suggested she shave completely hairless, she said she will do so if I trim some of my body hair and take better care of eyebrows. She also now takes charge of my clothing purchases, e.g. personal stylist.

But even before Slenderwife, I was fine with these top-level women. My ex- just prior to Slenderwife also a stunner, tall redhead olympic-class athlete but also a beauty (she was the crowned Miss ____ of her state and did well in the national Miss USA competition). She and the Miss USA winner of that competition moved together to the big city and were roommates. This roommate was with major basketball stars, etc. back in those days. This ex- of mine did modeling for a major world-class fashion magazine. She took her winnings and went to graduate school, became a respected professional. I met her and we clicked, and were together almost 10 years.

My perspective is that these uber beautiful women are focusing this energy on being extra beautiful for some reason. Usually that reason is attempting to be hidden by her, behind all this beauty and care. This means there is some deep insecurity at play, even possibly some level of body dysmorphia. This insecurity is reconfirmed over and over by men who a) are too overwhelmed to even approach (most men) and funny thing is that the woman may actually interpret this as proof she is less desirable because even though everyone looks at her nobody wants her, and/or b) the men who do approach are generally tools who are looking to stroke their own egos or impress their friends, or are ugly and in denial about it, etc.

This woman, when the rare man does approach, generally goes into protective mode to ward the guy off. That's because almost all the guys who do approach are, as i noted above, undesirables. I look and act different, so don't receive that protection mode, or at least it falls away quickly once i'm able to start a reasonable conversation.

I'm the exception to what she usually gets. I'm the Ken to Barbie, and I do have a personality, I usually disarm off the bat with some kind of self-deprecating humor (this lets them know my ego is in check), etc. I ask about her, focus on her, make some kind of compliment about her look such as her hair or bag or shoes (which tells them I notice little things) but nothing personal. I am a gentleman, and establish this as early as possible by arranging for her chair, making sure her handbag is in a secure place, naturally moving her to the place where she is most comfortable, buying her and her friends a round of drinks, sending a bottle of champagne to the table of the hotties celebrating a birthday, etc. I still do this today even though I never take any phone numbers, etc. I do this to a) keep in practice and b) as a wingman for my single guy friends and c) to remind my wife that she's not the only one in this marriage with talent and capacity to attract the opposite sex. My friends are certainly appreciative.

I've been mistaken once or twice for George Clooney (but seriously, don't look much like him).

I've been told by some women (including Slenderwife) that they initially wonder if I'm straight, because straight guys are not usually put together like this, especially when I'm in middle America. But the woman figures it out rather quickly in the conversation, based on my vibe, that I'm into her. It's a pleasant realization for her if she was wondering.

Also helps that I've done well enough financially. Traveled the world. Speak a few languages. Many of my guy friends are much more successful compared to me, but I keep up just fine.

So that' s it. Not a game, not a "how to" book, but just connecting to the woman at her level. She quickly realizes I am able to meet her where she lives, that I can see past her facade and understand her, that I can play along in her game and respect her beauty, while communicating at a slightly deeper level. Unusual for her, and hopefully intriguing to her.

[afagehi7]

Fish got game yo! I was even thinking that I'm surprised they don't think you're gay then got to that part. Hahshabsns