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Unread post by samlowen » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:59 pm

Fair to say that the bleach-cleaning will be finished another day?

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Unread post by Des 31 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:13 pm

samlowen wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:59 pm
Fair to say that the bleach-cleaning will be finished another day?
Thanks for a good laugh. I finished the job after masturbating and it looks all new again. I have to do at least a portion a couple of times a year because rain and algae from grass and falling leaves stain the stones. The wall extends all way around our property except for the gate at our driveway and was laid by the family who built the home. His widow sold it to us at a bargain when she decided to move to an assisted living home in Arizona.

A big advantage to our wall is that when my wife's visitors come over, they can pull to the paved area at the right of our driveway entrance and neither they nor their cars can't be seen from the road or by any of the five other homeowners on our street.

And as I was just responding to you, our land-line phone rang. She's leaving his place now and should be home in twenty minutes or so.
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Unread post by rascalnvixen » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:32 pm

Des,

Don't try to sell us that line of BS!! We all know, as well as you do, that if she wants you hard when she returns and have you cum in her hands, she knows EXACTLY how to make that happen!!!!! :lol: Enjoy your second cum of the day!!!! ;)

She knows just what to say to you when she returns and knows just when to say it to make you cum a gusher!!!

Have fun, my friend!!! :)

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Unread post by SutterKane » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:49 pm

I would have told her to have him come over and help me with the damn wall! Then he can fuck my wife for me! ;)
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Unread post by rascalnvixen » Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:07 pm

SutterKane wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:49 pm
I would have told her to have him come over and help me with the damn wall! Then he can fuck my wife for me! ;)
:up: :up: 100% agree!!! :lol: A note for future reference!!!

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Unread post by samlowen » Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:07 pm

SutterKane wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:49 pm
I would have told her to have him come over and help me with the damn wall! Then he can fuck my wife for me! ;)
And, since it is a wall providing some privacy, she could have teased them the entire time as motivation in whatever ways she saw fit. That wall would have been cleaned in no time at all.

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Unread post by Fotodom » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:04 pm

Wall, phone, leaves, grass, other stuff... ....

Sorry, can't focus, that new avatar is DANG!

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Unread post by SutterKane » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:22 pm

Fotodom wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:04 pm
Wall, phone, leaves, grass, other stuff... ....

Sorry, can't focus, that new avatar is DANG!
I know, right? Makes you want to ride her until one of you breaks!
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Unread post by MaxCargo » Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:22 pm

Des 31 wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:34 am
rascalnvixen wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:34 pm
That was do you and your wife exchange and share romantic discussions and expressions of love for each other?? My question is, if you do, how is that manifested?
Previously missed that extra question, Rascal. Answer is "yes." It's manifested in the usual ways as with most couples. I don't even feel comfortable answering that ordinary inquiry. I know I'm different from most in that way, but that's just me.
~ Des
I have to agree with what others already have noted. Your posts are very detailed, which is great, and very exciting to read, no doubt about it. But it’s indeed kind of a pity, that apart from a few half-sentences you actually never describe the sex/love-making between you and your wife, the loving feelings and romantic exchanges between just between the two of you. Is there slight chance you'll change this a little?? I hope you excuse my complaining.

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Unread post by Des 31 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:05 am

MaxCargo wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:22 pm
Des 31 wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:34 am
rascalnvixen wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:34 pm
That was do you and your wife exchange and share romantic discussions and expressions of love for each other?? My question is, if you do, how is that manifested?
Previously missed that extra question, Rascal. Answer is "yes." It's manifested in the usual ways as with most couples. I don't even feel comfortable answering that ordinary inquiry. I know I'm different from most in that way, but that's just me.
~ Des
I have to agree with what others already have noted. Your posts are very detailed, which is great, and very exciting to read, no doubt about it. But it’s indeed kind of a pity, that apart from a few half-sentences you actually never describe the sex/love-making between you and your wife, the loving feelings and romantic exchanges between just between the two of you. Is there slight chance you'll change this a little?? I hope you excuse my complaining.
After receiving similar messages for a long time now, I have slowly become aware of how many notice that. I hadn't previously realized anyone cared. On the other hand, a few have complained about the length of my posts, and had I included similar personal information our posts would be even longer.

And, of course, much of our what goes on in our lives doesn't make it in here at all. An example is an event coming up Saturday, August 31, when my wife's bank is holding its first annual gathering for VPs and the securities/investment staff. Her boss dropped by our home last week to talk about that with my wife (no sex) and he mentioned I might find the social dynamics that go on in banks as interesting. He said that's more obvious in social gatherings among the bank's personnel but it goes on at work all the time and the few like he, my wife and their shared executive secretary who pay attention get a kick out of studying it. He didn't say what those might be but said he'll point out to me what's happening around us among the various groups that day. Because personal happenings in our lives don't seem to me to fit at this board, I haven't bothered to include things like that either but similar events expand our education about people and actually influence certain aspects of my wife's extramarital sex life.

But I'm finally convinced it's difficult for many to understand what our private lives, motivations and attitudes are like. I realize why my lack of including that would cause questions like yours and others. You're right and I haven't written much, if any, about that.

Thanks for your message and compliments. I'll hereafter work on it.

~ Des
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Unread post by samlowen » Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:29 am

People complain that your posts are too long? It's not like you're pumping out new versions of War and Peace here...my goodness. The bank manager is correct about social dynamics. I spend multiple years at a large bank and found that crowd to be quite amusing if you're a people watcher.

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Unread post by subtoall » Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:18 am

Des 31 wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:05 am
On the other hand, a few have complained about the length of my posts, and had I included similar personal information our posts would be even longer.
Des,
Just like your wife, I always long for more, no matter the length.

Seriously, the day we start bowing to the wishes of those who ask for less of the gift they are given, is the day we have entered the twilight zone.

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Unread post by SutterKane » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:48 am

I've seen some complain that three, six sentence paragraphs is too long to read!
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Unread post by pixmangurn » Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:10 pm

Nobody is holding a gun to anyone's head forcing them to read long posts.....
Feel free to post as long as you want Des, I read every word!

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Unread post by ericsacto » Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:38 pm

SutterKane wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:48 am
I've seen some complain that three, six sentence paragraphs is too long to read!
In the immortal words of Taylor Swift “Haters gonna hate”

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Unread post by rascalnvixen » Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:53 pm

OK,Then!!!! Sounds like all of Des' future posts are going to read in a completely different style and format!!!!! :lol: NOT!!!! :lol: I've never ever and will never complain about the length of your posts, or anyone else's posts!! The only thing I do differently if there is a lengthy post, I might have to wait to read it until I have the time to sit down and read it all in one sitting. That's an issue for me, not you or whoever is posting. Sometimes I jump in here to see what happened over night or during the day but I only have a certain amount of time to do that. If that is the case, I just put that off until I do have the time. I've never regretted anyone's lengthy posts. Keep on doing what you do so well Des!!! I read every word, sooner or later!!! :shock: :lol: :whip:

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Unread post by Whosbeensleeping » Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:09 pm

Isn't girth of the post more important than length? Or so I've heard! ;-)

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Unread post by samlowen » Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:52 pm

Whosbeensleeping wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:09 pm
Isn't girth of the post more important than length? Or so I've heard! ;-)
Good point! Des does a great job of filling out his posts whether short, medium or long. He doesn't tease us from time to time, withholding his words to keep us on edge.

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Unread post by Des 31 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:49 am

I’m on a twenty-minute break with my laptop at the coffee shop across the street from the company office building, so this may be cut a bit short.

I mentioned here on Saturday my wife would be out-of-town on an assignment the first three days of this week. She phoned late last night and we talked for about an hour. Wednesday was the last of her three nights away and she will return home sometime today while I’m at work. Her first question was how my “massage” by her and her boss’ secretary went earlier that night. I held off answering that question until later in our conversation.

On Monday night, following meetings with the Realtor, architect and contractor concerning the bank’s planned branch office, the architect invited her to join him for a drink at a downtown bar. They talked for around two hours and before they left, he asked if she wished to come to his home that night to again “go over the annex’s interior plans.” She recognized the subtle hint had little to do with the branch’s layout.

She decided that, aside from sex with me, she should save herself for the overnight stay with Beau following his birthday party on Saturday. She pretended not to recognize his proposition as a veiled sexual inference. She thanked him for the offer of his time but said she was bushed and would instead spend more time with him when he’s in our town for his follow-up presentation in two weeks.

I asked if she had wanted to fuck him. She said, “Maybe, if circumstances are right when he drives up for his presentation. I left him with my own subtle hint that I enjoyed the personal time with him and looked forward to doing that again.” She described him as about my height, which would be an inch shorter than her 5’11”. She said he’s probably in his early 50’s, divorced and a nice looking guy with a shaved head. She added, “I think it would be fun for a night if it’s okay with you.”

She knows she doesn’t need my approval, but I’m fine with that.

A portion of their conversation is probably what resulted in his coming on to my wife. He has been divorced for eight years. His ex became sexually involved with a local lawyer and left him to marry the other man. He agreed with my wife that an affair wasn’t a good reason to break up a marriage, but their real problem was that he and his former wife were financially incompatible. She spent beyond their means and he thinks she was looking around for someone who could afford her lifestyle. But he later learned the attorney had the same over-spending problem and, from rumors he’s since heard, they’re now in financial difficulty. My wife said casually, “He and I might end up in bed for a night but not this week.”

She said that last night she went online for early-Christmas shopping. That’s not unusual for each of us. We don’t like pushing through crowds during the holidays. With three exceptions, her regular fuck-buddies will each be getting polo shirts this year. She felt that since Beau and Jack are college students, they would probably prefer cash, so she plans pick up gift cards for from a local department store for those two when we go shopping for our families. The previous evening, she stopped in at a nearby export-import store where she purchased an oriental vase similar in appearance to one we have in our living room. That will be for her boss and his wife. Each time they have visited us, they paid more attention to that vase than even our basement bomb shelter we had remodeled to look like a guest apartment.

Earlier in the evening, the secretary to her and her boss came to our home to give me that massage she and my wife planned. The woman’s husband was out on a date with the assistant principal at the school where he teaches.

I served mixed drinks and we talked for about a half hour, then shared a shower. She is clearly practiced at body rubs and happy endings. We were still naked when I reciprocated by giving her a comparable massage. Before she left, she said, “That was fun,” and suggested we “do this more often.” I agreed.

My wife asked for those details over the phone and said she will thank the secretary when she returns to work on Friday. She said she didn’t yet buy a gift for Beau’s 21st birthday.She will be attending his party hosted by his parents on Saturday, but plans to shop for that sometime today.

She signed off with, “Call me when you’re leaving the office. I’ll have take-out waiting at home. You and I are going to bed early for a long night of sex. Love you, bye.”

I need to get back to the office for an appointment a half hour from now. I’ll be back here in a few days with whatever happens during her time away at Beau’s birthday party Saturday. Because their home is about 100 miles from our town, she will be staying overnight. I had previously mentioned here that his mother has told my wife neither parent has an objection to her and their son sleeping together that night in his room. I’m still having some difficulty imagining what that gathering is going to be like for her among his parents and some of his former classmates.

~ Des
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Unread post by SutterKane » Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:24 am

rascalnvixen wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:53 pm
OK,Then!!!! Sounds like all of Des' future posts are going to read in a completely different style and format!!!!! :lol: NOT!!!! :lol: I've never ever and will never complain about the length of your posts, or anyone else's posts!! The only thing I do differently if there is a lengthy post, I might have to wait to read it until I have the time to sit down and read it all in one sitting. That's an issue for me, not you or whoever is posting. Sometimes I jump in here to see what happened over night or during the day but I only have a certain amount of time to do that. If that is the case, I just put that off until I do have the time. I've never regretted anyone's lengthy posts. Keep on doing what you do so well Des!!! I read every word, sooner or later!!! :shock: :lol: :whip:

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Lets not make Des into our dancing Monkey! :lol:
Hell, it's his story, let him tell it in his organic style. If he wants to add more emotion, then he should, I just don't want him to force emotion if that's not what he want to express. And as to him not talking about the loving feelins' between the two of them, I don't think I've expressed those kinds of things here myselfe when I've told parts of my wife and I's story. I'm more likely to express snark and smartassery than undying love and devotion! Doesn't mean that, after being married 37 years and together almost 40, that there is anything less than love and undying devotion between us. We express that to each other all the time. I guess it's kind like expecting fish to constantly comment on how much they love water! Some fish might, some, not so much!
So Des, "Dance, monkey, dance!" or not. I'm good with what you're doing.
Not poking anyone in particular, just having an smirk (See the line above about snark and smartassery!)!
Best wishes, you loons, :lol:
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P.S. Des, I really love the fact that you two have a Bomb Shelter/Hot Monkey Sex room in your basement! I must have monkey brain today!
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Unread post by yielding william » Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:59 am

I always check for your posts and catch up when I log on here. I don't know if others have said this but I think you're one of the most valuable assets to this website. That is saying a lot because I think OurHotWives is the best site going.

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Unread post by Serrand » Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:42 am

Des 31 wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:49 am
I
She signed off with, “Call me when you’re leaving the office. I’ll have take-out waiting at home. You and I are going to bed early for a long night of sex. Love you, bye.”
~ Des
I hope you'll will tell us about this night with your wife. ;)

Regarding the birthday of Beau, will your wife be gone for the complete weekend? I mean Friday afternoon until Sunday evening?

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Unread post by Des 31 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:25 am

Serrand wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:42 am
Des 31 wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:49 am
I
She signed off with, “Call me when you’re leaving the office. I’ll have take-out waiting at home. You and I are going to bed early for a long night of sex. Love you, bye.”
~ Des
I hope you'll will tell us about this night with your wife. ;)

Regarding the birthday of Beau, will your wife be gone for the complete weekend? I mean Friday afternoon until Sunday evening?
Will try to get around to that over the weekend. About the weekend, she plans on driving down Saturday morning around 8:30. Online driving directions say it's a two and a half hour trip. Typically, she would phone while on the way, upon arrival and when leaving and sometime that night when she can get free from others. How long she will stay that day will depend on how long she feels comfortable in leaving but will be home sometime Sunday afternoon or evening. I'm looking forward to hearing about too.
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Unread post by Des 31 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:55 am

Today's the day.

My wife had planned to drive the two-and-a-half hour trip to her youngest boyfriend's parents' home to attend his 21st birthday party around 9:30 this morning. Their home is about 100 miles from our place. The party starts at 11:00 and she had intended to arrive about an hour later but changed her mind. We're typically up at 5:30 a.m. and she left instead at eight this morning, thinking she could assist his parents in any last minute preparations. She said she wished I could come, but of course there's no way that could have worked out. She said she would phone me when she arrives and again tonight when she can get away from others for a while.

After she left, it occurred to me I hadn't mentioned the follow-up from her three-days away on that work project earlier this week. She wasn't having sex but could have. She arrived back home while I was at work and phoned to tell me she would have take-out for us when I came home that night.

I was an hour late leaving the office following an issue at a 4:30 partners meeting that’s going to put me back on the road a few days next month. When I arrived home, my wife was reheating a delivered pizza and setting out a couple of soft drinks. She gripped the back of my neck and leaned in for a deep kiss fully on the lips. She said, “My three days away wired me for sex. Let’s eat the pizza in bed.” We took two TV trays to the bedroom and ate naked in bed with our backs to the headboard. Our initial conversation brought us up to date with the other’s experiences over the past three days. She had again shaved her pussy after having done that just a week before. Her mound glistened with her body oil I realized she must have applied not long before I came home.

She changed the subject with a question I at first thought was odd, “Did you ever have an addiction?” The only dependence I could remember was smoking my last college year that lasted several months on my former newspaper job. She said, “I think you’re addicted to my fucking other guys.” I grinned at that and responded I hadn’t thought of it that way but that she was probably right. We set aside our trays and I said, “That’s almost embarrassing. Addictions aren’t a good thing.”

Pushing away the top sheet covering us to our waists, she curled a hand around my dick and smiled. She said softly, “That’s okay. I’m addicted to it too. That’s one of my favorite things I like sharing with you.” I turned on the bedside recorder.

She went on to tell me about the architect she met when out of town the previous three days. She thinks they’ll soon be fucking but probably no more than once because of the distance from where he lives. She teased, “Do you want him to fuck me for just a few hours or all night.” My tool swelled to its full length and I said if it’s to be just a single hookup I’d want to know he’s giving it to her an entire night. She slowly stroked my cock and said, “I’m glad you’re addicted.”

My brain never works right when she’s doing this to me. I stammered, “Yeah, if you like the guy that much I want his dick inside your hot pussy.” I knew that sounded moronic the moment the words escaped my lips but she ignored it and said, “I love making you happy.” She leaned to guide my stalk into her warm mouth and slowly increased the bobbing of her head. I pulled away to go down on her.

I’ve heard some guys say they don’t like women who talk during sex. That isn’t me. I love it and she whispered, “You have one of the best tongues.” I asked who else’s she likes. Her boss is a known favorite but she instead moaned that her 21-year-old friend Jack has become an expert at oral sex. She whined, “I’m not sure it’s longer and stronger than others but it seems that way when he’s doing it.”

I crawled between her legs and guided my cockhead into her opening. She moaned as I fucked her and wrapped her long legs around my waist, locking her heels at my back. I asked her to tell me about one of her favorite lesbian sessions from her high school FLAG Girls club orgies. She immediately climaxed and I think I was cumming within three minutes. She has had sex with only a few women since her senior h.s. year but some memories of those days still send her libido into hyper-drive.

We lay aside and I asked how many years she thinks she will still be fucking other guys. We have had that discussion before but her answer was different this time. She said, “I’m thinking nine or ten years,” and I asked why that time. She said, “That’s when my boss plans his early retirement as the bank’s president." She smiled and added, "He thinks I could then be awarded his job, but I try not to think that far ahead. At one time, all I wanted was to find a job I liked and marry you before I die. So I'm doing good so far."

When she closed her eyes, I asked whether she was thinking about the coming weekend with Beau at his parents’ home. She didn’t respond. She had fallen asleep with my dick in her hand. It took me much longer to fall asleep with that warm hand wrapped around my member.

My mind was on today's party she is attending. Even up to this morning, I can't quite imagine how that will go. The other guests, all former high school classmates of Beau's, will all be at least a decade younger. How does a younger guy explain that? And how can she and he comfortably have sex overnight with his parents in the home? She left her wedding ring on the dresser this morning and replaced it with her old school class ring she rarely wears. This is another of the many events that I couldn't have anticipated six or more years ago when I first told my wife I wanted her to fuck another man. She said as she was leaving this morning, "Don't worry about it. Everything will be fine," and added that Beau's roommate Jack is also driving down but not staying overnight as she will be.

To me, the possibilities seem endless. Whenever I learn the details, I'll let you know.

~ Des
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Unread post by Des 31 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:51 am

SutterKane wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:24 am
rascalnvixen wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:53 pm
:shock: :lol: :whip:

Rascal
. . .
P.S. Des, I really love the fact that you two have a Bomb Shelter/Hot Monkey Sex room in your basement! I must have monkey brain today!
We like that room. I had written here long ago how that came about. We purchased our home at a bargain price from a widow whose late husband had been a defense contractor engineer and had built the home in the early 1960s. The entrance steps lead from a door in the garage, which the contractor disguised as a tool shelf. The entire home and underground shelter were intended to be as secure as imaginable and the bomb shelter is about the size of a small two room apartment complete with a self-contained kitchen and shower among other amenities. A few months back, my wife had a contractor remodel it, replace almost all fixtures, carpeting and generator. My wife has been overly influenced by a couple of survivalist types she has met at the local gun range and purchased a pallet of 25-year-storage of food that sets under tarpaulin in a corner alongside the steps leading to the shelter. We have been reluctant to tell others it exists but a few know and a couple of guys and my wife have used it a few nights. Sometimes we sleep there or have lunch downstairs just to do something different.

The only downside to the home is that when the automatic hurricane shutters shut at the windows, the place goes completely dark. We need plug-in night lights to navigate whenever we turn the lights off or the town's power fails. We keep hurricane lamps and flashlights handy but that doesn't happen often.
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