First time swinging

[eastcoast99]

New here, did an introduction post earlier. Originally posted on Reddit but wasn't much help and this site seemed to have topics around some of my questions aside from the basis of the situation. We've been together for 3 years, I'm (24M) completing a Masters program and my girlfriend (23F) is graduating from college. It's her hometown we go to school in, while I'm from 7 hours away. During the school year we're busy, both studying and she works at an insurance agency part-time.

We've talked about spicing things up, and have been successful. She's a lot more sexual than I though. At the start of the school year we discussed swinging but we're worried word would probably get out and being introverted I'm a bit shy to pull the trigger while she's more social. So for a while we put it on the back burner, I'm not from here so I don't have as many connections.

After one of her staff girls night get togethers, my girlfriend told me the drinks were flowing and one of them said they don't mind women flirting with her husband and that they've swung before. My gf asked if there's a community or ways to connect, and she said her colleague half jokingly offered to be our first. They've had a few more social nights, where she shared that she showed her husband my gfs pictures and that he's "all in".

I've never been with an older female before (older relative to me), she's late 40s but through discussing my gf suggested we should take them up on their offer, one of the reasons is they're out of our social circle so there's no worry about rumors swirling.

Now I've met the colleague before and she's definitely what my friends call a dime, if I can brag my gf is billboard material and looks like the daughter on Landman but if this lady was our age I wouldn't know who to pick. I looked up her husband ahead of time, he owns a steakhouse in town but looks like sons of anarchy meets the gym and doesn't skip leg days. Also has both arms tattooed versus me a blank canvas lol he is turning 53 as later his birthday was brought up.

My gf met her colleague prior to last weekend for drinks and to talk about the upcoming meetup we organized and answer any questions. She said it was reassuring and she's even more pumped. The plan was set to go to dinner first then back to their place.

I was pretty excited about it as well. My only fear was all of us being naked, and then turns out he has a bigger thing than me or I'm too small for the wife and that fear was in my head leading up to the meetup. I'm about 5", I guess it could be worse. When I posted this on reddit it seemed since swingers have so many meetups they experience it all which helped a bit.

Overall, the night went well but not without a hiccup. We went to dinner and had some drinks. Nothing was awkward but that's probably because this couple was nice, asked us a lot of questions about our lives and at no time did I feel hesitant. My gf finishes her job next week (end of school term) and the husband offered her a serving job at the steakhouse for the summer.

After dinner we went back to their house. Really nice place I must say. While the wife and my gf mixed some drinks, he showed me his garage/cars. We were talking and he brought up this being our first time and not to worry and that they've been here before. He also explained it's probably better for the first time to be in separate rooms, and if the question came up it would be best if I suggested it but it's up to me and whatever we discussed. We didn't discuss a lot of rules, mostly just condom and if any jealousy what to do.

We headed in the house and had some drinks, everybody feeling pretty good. The husband put on some music and soon after his wife sat on my lap. She looked real good, and whatever perfume she had on put me in some relaxed zone lol. She went in for the kiss then turned and straddled me. I was pretty much rock hard at that point.

I looked over at my gf and they were too making out. The wife still on me turned to look as well. He stood up and took his shirt off, he looked like a tattooed gladiator I don't think that guy eats an extra carb with the abs he had going. Bald head, big beard like I said, looked like a sons of anarchy cast member. He unzipped his pants and pulled them off and told my gf to go ahead. She pulled his boxers down and out popped the biggest wrench I have seen in person length and width. I wasn't worried about what I originally shared here at that point, since I doubt most they have met were that big but I wasn't sure if that was for my gf. She laughed and his wife said "I told you so" and then my gf started giving him head. His wife was rubbing mine through my pants and said don't worry you'll get yours.

He looked over at us and asked what do we want to do, separate rooms or continue here. I acknowledged and said separate rooms. He picked up my gf said have fun with her (his wife) and carried her to one of the back bedrooms.

The wife made out with me for a moment then said she would be right back which I thought was strange. I'm on my phone and 15 minutes passes and she comes out in high heels, stockings and amazing lingerie. She tells me to take my pants and boxers off while changing the music, then comes over and gets on her knees. Couldn't be more excited at this point. She ties her hair back and I see she's put on bright red lipstick. Next proceeds to kiss it then starts deepthroating like it's the easiest thing she's ever done while having my boys gripped tightly in her hand. Her eyes are amazing, I'm shy so somewhat intimidating but she insisted on eye contact. She got her phone and asked me to record it. She has both nipples pierced and I've only seen that in porn, they looked amazing. This had to be 15/20 mins. In the past sometimes I had gone too early and could feel that coming on so I let her know, so I could last to the next step. She told me not to and started going even faster, I couldn't hold it and came. It was the best head I've ever received but now reality sunk in I probably wouldn't be able to get back into action for some time.

She didn't seem too disappointed. We talked on the couch a bit. Then I could hear from the bedroom screaming (she's naturally like this) and long bed squeeks persisting. The wife said it's just the bed is an older one we don't sleep in and sounds like she's having a good time. She suggested we go out in the hot tub to recover and we both hopped in with drinks, naked. I was rubbing myself to get hard but could only think about what was going on in there, I did go inside to get more drinks and text her but her phone was in the living room where we were. We must have been in the tub for an hour and a half then another hour or so inside before they emerged from the room. I was happy to see her and wanted to see her first impression and she seemed in a happy, positive mood.

When we were getting ready to leave hugs were exchanged and the husband said let's get together again next weekend.

When we left I explained to my gf I came early and didn't even have sex and just went in the tub. She seemed sad for me but I didn't want to ruin her night, I asked her how it went and she said it was great and he's a nice guy. I asked her about the sex and she talked about some of the positions they did and that her hips are sore. I asked what she liked most, trying to see if it was size, and she said that he's bossy and knows what he wants but she liked it most, also that he went really hard but then ended more passionate. So I asked about the size and she smiled and said yeah that was unexpected but didn't hurt after a couple minutes and said it was filling.

I asked what she thought about their offer to meet again and she asked what my thoughts were. I said yeah but maybe we can be together longer and hopefully I didn't disappoint. She said she agreed with what I wanted and that the wife is nice and she's sure it's not a problem but would text her.

Some of the reddit posters said we should have been in the same room and it was manipulative for him to have me suggest it. I just find it hard to believe as they are a welcoming couple that are caring and have our best interest in mind. We used condoms even tho they said they get tested and he's snipped. Some redditors also said she just wanted to get me off and not have sex and it's their fetish.

So I brought some of the questions up with my gf and she must have mentioned it to them because this week the wife had dropped me off a coffee on campus, let me know she was looking forward to this weekend. The husband took me out in one of his cars, and during the drive he asked me what I thought of the night and how I'm doing. I didn't really express concern but just mentioned we should start out in the same presence. He said for sure and understands but mentioned they have been doing this for a long time and when they set aside time to do so they are looking to do it a certain way. Said that they can accommodate play in the same area but wanted to be up front that he wants one on one time mixed in. He also said women won't admit it but they also want that too. I'm not sure why 1v1 is needed, what is done that can't be done in a group? I know my gf is in a positive mood about meeting this couple and has been really into sex this week so it's been good for me and I don't want to be the party pooper lol so I acknowledged. He also said he's in love with his wife nothing is coming between that, he's not trying to steal my gf if that's what I was thinking and I said no I get it sounds good.

So we have plans with them tomorrow, we'll go out then back to their place and I need to last I feel like the pressure is on.

So I'm wondering for the group here, am I right to be hesitant about separate play? Any others have fears of size comparison? Anybody else prematurely ruin a night that can reassure me lol? Does this couple appear reliable trust wise?

His 53rd is in a cpl weeks, I'm away for my post masters grad trip. The wife said the invitation still stands and she could bring a friend. Not sure if they are looking to start 1v1 this soon.

[AdamGunn]

I feel you are correct to worry about separate rooms. Given that the other wife only gave you head, I think unlesss you're all in one place it could happen again.

Plus, seeing your girlfriend is getting fucked while you're doing it to his wife is such a rush.

[leggysman]

How do you feel about another man having sex with your girlfriend? Does it turn you on? Or is it just something you're willing to accept as the price of admission into swinging, having sex with other ladies, etc?

[eastcoast99]

How do you feel about another man having sex with your girlfriend? Does it turn you on? Or is it just something you're willing to accept as the price of admission into swinging, having sex with other ladies, etc?

I wouldn't say it turns me on though I want her to enjoy it, but not enjoy it overwhelmingly, you know what I mean? Maybe more so on price of admission. But so far the price of admission was steep lol. She laughs at everything he says and gets along with both them, wife is a gem so I am not really in gear thinking about other couples

[Wantsomefunto]

Great post and update after the next meet please!

I think for my wife she likes separate rooms, gives her a
Chance to be more intimate and not be afraid I will be upset or she has to put on a show for me. Let her enjoy the sex more i would say. Now it it turns you on to see your gf take his very big cock, ask for same room but you may feel intimidated when you see how much better he can satisfy her.

[athlete915]

How do you feel about another man having sex with your girlfriend? Does it turn you on? Or is it just something you're willing to accept as the price of admission into swinging, having sex with other ladies, etc?

I wouldn't say it turns me on though I want her to enjoy it, but not enjoy it overwhelmingly, you know what I mean? Maybe more so on price of admission. But so far the price of admission was steep lol. She laughs at everything he says and gets along with both them, wife is a gem so I am not really in gear thinking about other couples

For starters, welcome.

Second, I think Leggysman nailed the key questions that you need to consider. If your girlfriend having great sex isn't part of your motivation, I would say that, at a minimum, this couple probably isn't a good fit for you. The husband sounds like he's fit, well-hung, and knows how to use it. That's exactly what a lot, if not most, couples... and your girlfriend.... are looking for in a male partner, but if that's not what excites you, you can't really be expected to go along with it.

My experience with couples is as a "third," so I can't speak to separate play versus same-room simultaneous play per se, but I can say that whether the husbands watch and at what stage of the relationship vary a lot. Some wives find having their husbands there is comforting and/or part of the turn-on. Others can find it highly distracting and struggle to focus on the pleasure. Both of those sets of feelings can be stronger at the beginning of a relationship, especially if it is their first time in the lifestyle.

Meanwhile, while I've never had a husband who never eventually watched, some found it a little more comfortable at first for her to play alone, either completely or with them out of the room.

The right answer is... what works for each individual husband, each individual wife, and each couple as a whole. I'll tell my new couples what I've done with my previous couples and what I enjoy, and then just figure out what works best for them. I want them to be comfortable, happy... and extremely turned on. Again, I know that things often evolve over time, so I don't stress about which option they pick at first.

"Anybody else prematurely ruin a night that can reassure me lol?" Dude, if I had a nickel for every time a husband came faster than he was planning, I could probably retire lol. It happens to the best of guys. It's a hot situation to begin with, and you had the added bonus that his wife knew her way around a cock. Your quick release probably just confirmed to everyone how excited you were by the evening, which is what they were hoping for.

As an aside, one of my absolutely FAVORITE things is to look over and see my husbands blow their loads when I give their wives a particularly strong, good orgasm. I love knowing that what I am doing to her can make them lose control.

"Does this couple appear reliable trust wise?" Kind of depends on what you mean. They're an experienced lifestyle couple, so I think you can trust them to be both safe and discreet, which are cornerstones of the lifestyle. Next, you can also trust that they have no ill intent toward your relationship. They're not trying to break you up. They're happily married and just want to have some fun with you two.

With that said, I will tell you that this dude wants to fuck your girlfriend better than she's been fucked... and yes, that includes by you. It sounds like he has the body, size, stamina, confidence, and aggressiveness to do so. Some guys may try to see that as an attempt by him to humiliate or degrade you, but I wouldn't. Having been there myself, it's more a natural instinct and drive to be your best, especially at something so intimate and instinctual. He's not doing it at your expense, but for her pleasure.

To bring the conversation full circle, if you're not excited about your girlfriend having the best sex possible, this couple is probably not a good fit for you. Heck, the lifestyle may not be a good fit for you. But if it is something that you think you could enjoy and you want for your girlfriend, go for it!

In the end, do what is best for you two, and if you play, play safe.

[eastcoast99]

Great post and update after the next meet please!

I think for my wife she likes separate rooms, gives her a
Chance to be more intimate and not be afraid I will be upset or she has to put on a show for me. Let her enjoy the sex more i would say. Now it it turns you on to see your gf take his very big cock, ask for same room but you may feel intimidated when you see how much better he can satisfy her.

I get what you're saying, for me I would prefer nobody to be around while I do it, but at the same time not knowing what's going on with my other half pushes me towards same room. However, the last part of your post couldn't ring more true.

I don't have much details besides the sex and post thoughts but here it is.

Last night was our second meet, we went back to their place again and ended up in the living room. We watched some SNL from the previous weekend for a bit. Both girls were texting each other and giggling but wouldn't say what it was. The wife got up and said we'll be back. I asked him what's going on and he said they have a surprise for us. They came out, I could hear heels, and when they appeared they both had on the exact same black lingerie. Really turned me on as my girl hadn't really worn any lingerie like this before. The wife sat on my lap, mine on his and we made out. She unbuttoned my pants and started kissing lower and lower then pulled it out. She looked amazing.

I looked over at them and could see how good my girls ass looked , he had his hand on the back of her head. I don't know why but I copied to do the same to his wife who swatted it away lol. At one point I felt confident since I passed the mark of where I came last time it felt.

I'm watching them as this is going on, he stands up and flips my gf upside down and starts eating her out standing up. Definitely wasn't going to try and copy that one lol. I decided to say switch it up, she sat on the couch and I began licking her, she kept telling me to stroke myself and look at her. My girl came over and got a condom out of her purse, shortly after I heard him say bend over. I've never heard her say ohh the way I heard her say it.

I could hear the intensity speed up but I was on a mission to prolong me going down on the wife in case I didn't last long so there wouldn't be a gap. At one point she got up and told me to sit down and got a condom out which I proudly installed. She got on top of me and sat down on it and slowly rode me. Phew.. the thing I was worried about all week I made it. She seemed to enjoy it, I felt like I was worthy lol. That was, until she took off her bra and I saw her pierced perfectly round boobs. I was trying to think of everything even my grandmother.. she started grinding me I almost got to the point of no return and said switch it up. Looked over and they had been doing the same thing, my girl was leaning back grinding I could just see her ass and this guys elephant nuts. She screams a lot so was somewhat distracting.

The wife bent over the coffee table and I started back up, knowing I last longer this way. I felt like a champ holding my own. She told me to spank her and asked for it a few times, he said give it to her harder so I gave it a good swing.

I watched my girl get on her back and put her legs behind her head. This is my fav position, one of the benefits dating a gymnast. Most of the time I partially watched but had full facing view. He slapped his big wrench on her a few times and put it in, began going harder and put both his hands on her neck and went really hard. She must have said oh f@#$ over and over like it's the only words she knows. I can't understand how this guy can last so long he just kept going. I've never choked her so I wasn't sure if that was on her bingo card. She came and her legs were shaking.

Meanwhile, I'm still up! I sit back on the couch for another ride and the wife turns around and sits on it. Perfect ass, lingerie looked great. She leaned forward and then I feel her hand grab my sack and starts bouncing up and down. I would say this was about a minute or two before I came. Some might say it was early but I felt good about it.

We cuddled on the touched and watched them go at it. If I had to guess it was about 20 mins more of rough sex and 10 of slower sex on their sides. He said he was ready and stood up, she got on her knees and he grabbed her by the ponytail and blew it on her face. I think that may be something we should have discussed as a rule. Night ended after some cuddles and chat.

We left and my gf was ecstatic for me to have lasted, asked me what I thought about the lingerie and she wanted to get more. I asked her questions as well, such as what about the choking which she said it was hot. I asked why and she said she doesn't know she just likes to be under his control..

We discussed this morning, I think after all I'm better off in separate rooms, the wife is as hot as can get, it's either same room or separate and I don't think not continuing on is an option for my gf or at least that's my guess.

One additional revelation is that through chatting with the wife she is a runner as am I. She asked me to be her running buddy and that's what we did today. Kind of odd but I like her running gear haha

[eastcoast99]

How do you feel about another man having sex with your girlfriend? Does it turn you on? Or is it just something you're willing to accept as the price of admission into swinging, having sex with other ladies, etc?

I wouldn't say it turns me on though I want her to enjoy it, but not enjoy it overwhelmingly, you know what I mean? Maybe more so on price of admission. But so far the price of admission was steep lol. She laughs at everything he says and gets along with both them, wife is a gem so I am not really in gear thinking about other couples

For starters, welcome.

Second, I think Leggysman nailed the key questions that you need to consider. If your girlfriend having great sex isn't part of your motivation, I would say that, at a minimum, this couple probably isn't a good fit for you. The husband sounds like he's fit, well-hung, and knows how to use it. That's exactly what a lot, if not most, couples... and your girlfriend.... are looking for in a male partner, but if that's not what excites you, you can't really be expected to go along with it.

My experience with couples is as a "third," so I can't speak to separate play versus same-room simultaneous play per se, but I can say that whether the husbands watch and at what stage of the relationship vary a lot. Some wives find having their husbands there is comforting and/or part of the turn-on. Others can find it highly distracting and struggle to focus on the pleasure. Both of those sets of feelings can be stronger at the beginning of a relationship, especially if it is their first time in the lifestyle.

Meanwhile, while I've never had a husband who never eventually watched, some found it a little more comfortable at first for her to play alone, either completely or with them out of the room.

The right answer is... what works for each individual husband, each individual wife, and each couple as a whole. I'll tell my new couples what I've done with my previous couples and what I enjoy, and then just figure out what works best for them. I want them to be comfortable, happy... and extremely turned on. Again, I know that things often evolve over time, so I don't stress about which option they pick at first.

"Anybody else prematurely ruin a night that can reassure me lol?" Dude, if I had a nickel for every time a husband came faster than he was planning, I could probably retire lol. It happens to the best of guys. It's a hot situation to begin with, and you had the added bonus that his wife knew her way around a cock. Your quick release probably just confirmed to everyone how excited you were by the evening, which is what they were hoping for.

As an aside, one of my absolutely FAVORITE things is to look over and see my husbands blow their loads when I give their wives a particularly strong, good orgasm. I love knowing that what I am doing to her can make them lose control.

"Does this couple appear reliable trust wise?" Kind of depends on what you mean. They're an experienced lifestyle couple, so I think you can trust them to be both safe and discreet, which are cornerstones of the lifestyle. Next, you can also trust that they have no ill intent toward your relationship. They're not trying to break you up. They're happily married and just want to have some fun with you two.

With that said, I will tell you that this dude wants to fuck your girlfriend better than she's been fucked... and yes, that includes by you. It sounds like he has the body, size, stamina, confidence, and aggressiveness to do so. Some guys may try to see that as an attempt by him to humiliate or degrade you, but I wouldn't. Having been there myself, it's more a natural instinct and drive to be your best, especially at something so intimate and instinctual. He's not doing it at your expense, but for her pleasure.

To bring the conversation full circle, if you're not excited about your girlfriend having the best sex possible, this couple is probably not a good fit for you. Heck, the lifestyle may not be a good fit for you. But if it is something that you think you could enjoy and you want for your girlfriend, go for it!

In the end, do what is best for you two, and if you play, play safe.

Thanks for your feedback and the welcome, great to be here!

I'm glad to hear that the premature situation happens more times than I thought so I'm not alone lol. Reassuring to hear your take on their intent I guess being new I'm overlooking the situation. I want my gf to have great sex but not to the point where she goes looking elsewhere for more so trying to keep her happy.

I made an update post in this thread as we had another meet, I think I'm a separate room guy to be honest. What is it that he would have the mission to give it to her better than she has before? How is this guy so energized at 53 is what baffles me. He definitely isn't shy and didn't hold back.

This morning since she knew I was a runner, the wife text me to be her running buddy so we went out. Was good to get to know her more, also I did say I would need to check with my gf and she said she already did so in my opinion that aligns with your thoughts around trust.

[SilverStag]

Separate rooms, while intimidating at first are really a safe way for teh experienced couple to ensure things go well. We prefer separate rooms because we have found new couples tend to spend too much attention to what their partners are doing and ignore their new playmate. Cecil, my HW, has had poor experiences where the hubby is too busy watching his wife and I play to give her the attention she deserves.

I did find something else missing in your story. How did you try to satisfy the wife? It sounded like it was all about her pleasing you. If you do cum first, try orally pleasing her until your refractory period is done. Also, don't be hung up on your size. Women can enjoy most every size if you know what you are doing. Don't be a "one trick pony" by thinking it is all about PIV, use your imagination and find other ways to ramp up the sexy and deliver pleasure to her (I have a couple lady friends that love it when I brush my hair gently over various parts of their bodies)

[Wantsomefunto]

Great updates!

I think for sure now that your gf has experienced a guy much bigger and can go longer than you she will not stop.

Just comfort her that no matter what she finds she needs you will be there for her in any way she wants. Let her enjoy the better sex and the wildness of it.

Be glad the other wife is taking care of you also, of course this is only because she wants her husband to be able to have full acres to your hot young gf.

Become part of what your gf does, have some type of reclaiming experience with her after each time, be that cuddling her and letting her tell you all they did.

Maybe it’s soothing her sore pussy with your tongue after, or you fucking her sore pussy so she can immediately feel the difference between his power and your smallness.

Maybe she can start having bare sex with him, so she can sit on your face to clean her after. That makes you part of what she does.

Please keep the updates
Coming.

[eastcoast99]

Separate rooms, while intimidating at first are really a safe way for teh experienced couple to ensure things go well. We prefer separate rooms because we have found new couples tend to spend too much attention to what their partners are doing and ignore their new playmate. Cecil, my HW, has had poor experiences where the hubby is too busy watching his wife and I play to give her the attention she deserves.

I did find something else missing in your story. How did you try to satisfy the wife? It sounded like it was all about her pleasing you. If you do cum first, try orally pleasing her until your refractory period is done. Also, don't be hung up on your size. Women can enjoy most every size if you know what you are doing. Don't be a "one trick pony" by thinking it is all about PIV, use your imagination and find other ways to ramp up the sexy and deliver pleasure to her (I have a couple lady friends that love it when I brush my hair gently over various parts of their bodies)

I think separate rooms is best for us after this weekends meet. The wife even proposed a date night and play at separate places suggesting it could benefit my performance.

So the first time we met I didn't think to go down on her and then the update I posted above I used the opportunity to buy me time.

[eastcoast99]

Great updates!

I think for sure now that your gf has experienced a guy much bigger and can go longer than you she will not stop.

Just comfort her that no matter what she finds she needs you will be there for her in any way she wants. Let her enjoy the better sex and the wildness of it.

Be glad the other wife is taking care of you also, of course this is only because she wants her husband to be able to have full acres to your hot young gf.

Become part of what your gf does, have some type of reclaiming experience with her after each time, be that cuddling her and letting her tell you all they did.

Maybe it’s soothing her sore pussy with your tongue after, or you fucking her sore pussy so she can immediately feel the difference between his power and your smallness.

Maybe she can start having bare sex with him, so she can sit on your face to clean her after. That makes you part of what she does.

Please keep the updates
Coming.

Thanks for the feedback. What do you mean she won't stop? We did discuss before engaging that we would be transparent with how we were feeling if we wanted to discontinue.

You don't think the wife is in it for her own pleasure? Sorry for the q's just the first time going through it.

Out of personal preference I wouldn't be into reclaiming etc but understand others are into that.

As for the condoms we use them but this is the first couple we have been with and have used them twice now so I'm not sure if that's something they would want to get rid of at this point

[kellycuckoldsmark]

A key is always to communicate, communicate and communicate. This is especially true in the early days as you are both discovering what you like and don't like. Not liking a scenario is totally fine as long as you communicate and there are no grudges if the other person loved it.

The first time I watched a guy slide his cock into Kelly the pit in my stomach was so big I could almost have thrown up!

[Wantsomefunto]

Don’t miss understand, yes his wife is also into it for pleasure. But given his size difference, she maybe get minimal pleasure from your penetration, but mentally she is certainly getting a rush of pleasure from being with a younger man with much less experience than her.

But she and your gf probably has some conversation about sex and partners, and his wife is getting exciment sharing her well endowed husband with a very hot young girl, whose bf is not as well endowed.

Letting her husband show her haw a full stretched feeling is so much better than you can provide.

But the wife knows she has to make sure you are getting something out of sharing your gd, so she is entertaining you to let her hubby have your gf.

Hope that makes sense.

[athlete915]

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Thanks for your feedback and the welcome, great to be here!

I'm glad to hear that the premature situation happens more times than I thought so I'm not alone lol. Reassuring to hear your take on their intent I guess being new I'm overlooking the situation. I want my gf to have great sex but not to the point where she goes looking elsewhere for more so trying to keep her happy.

I made an update post in this thread as we had another meet, I think I'm a separate room guy to be honest. What is it that he would have the mission to give it to her better than she has before? How is this guy so energized at 53 is what baffles me. He definitely isn't shy and didn't hold back.

This morning since she knew I was a runner, the wife text me to be her running buddy so we went out. Was good to get to know her more, also I did say I would need to check with my gf and she said she already did so in my opinion that aligns with your thoughts around trust.
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"How is this guy so energized at 53 is what baffles me." I'm a personal trainer, and while most guys in their 50s have put on weight and lost muscle mass, there are definitely some who are still beasts in the gym. They train and eat smart, and can often run circles around younger dudes. They also have experience, maturity, and confidence.

The husband sounds just like that, both in and out of the bedroom.

"He definitely isn't shy and didn't hold back." In my experience, most women want men who are comfortable taking the lead in the bedroom. The problem is that it doesn't come naturally to most men. They can sometimes roleplay it, but it's not their natural instinct. You end up with women wanting a guy to take the lead with them, and men who are forced into roles they don't want to be.

"What is it that he would have the mission to give it to her better than she has before?" I'll speak from my own perspective. When I started having sex, I found that I wasn't motivated solely by the act of having sex. I wanted to be good at. Hell, I wanted to be the best at it. So, I approached it like a sport and consciously tried to get better at it. Having a girl tell me how good I was was such an ego boost and made me try even harder.

..and then I was with my first couple. That ramped things up to another level. Not only was I trying to fucked her as well as possible, but now I had an audience. It was such a turn on for me.

I suspect the husband feeds off the same motivations.

"I think I'm a separate room guy to be honest." I would offer a caveat. I think when you are with his wife, you are a separate room guy. You need to be able to focus on her. But the caveat is that when you aren't taking care of his wife, you may, in fact, enjoy getting to see your girlfriend's wild side come out.

"I want my gf to have great sex but not to the point where she goes looking elsewhere for more so trying to keep her happy." I saved this for the end because I think it's the most important aspect. The husband has no desire to hurt y'all's relationship. In fact, that would be bad for him. If you two are happy and enjoying the play, that means he'll get to have you, gf, more often. If you two aren't enjoying yourselves, that means he will get her less.

Similarly, from your gf's perspective, she's getting her cake and eating it too. She has the best of both worlds. She's got an amazing boyfriend, who she obviously loves. She also has a fun playmate, who is quite good at pleasing her. Why would she want to screw that up?

[venus-can99]

Great updates eastcoast. Hope you had fun running with the wife. As most have said communication with your gf is the key and both of you need to enjoy this experience and play.

[Photo Cuck S]

Great updates eastcoast. Hope you had fun running with the wife. As most have said communication with your gf is the key and both of you need to enjoy this experience and play.

You could use the running to your advantage to spend some intimate time with the wife alone. After your workout with her, if your gf or her husband aren't around, you could go to one of your homes, share a shower, and show the wife your ability with your hands and tongue. I'm sure she wouldn't mind, and she would probably want to return the favor as well!

[eastcoast99]

Don’t miss understand, yes his wife is also into it for pleasure. But given his size difference, she maybe get minimal pleasure from your penetration, but mentally she is certainly getting a rush of pleasure from being with a younger man with much less experience than her.

But she and your gf probably has some conversation about sex and partners, and his wife is getting exciment sharing her well endowed husband with a very hot young girl, whose bf is not as well endowed.

Letting her husband show her haw a full stretched feeling is so much better than you can provide.

But the wife knows she has to make sure you are getting something out of sharing your gd, so she is entertaining you to let her hubby have your gf.

Hope that makes sense.

Thanks, this makes sense since they like to record their encounters. The wife said sometimes she records and when not there she'll watch it after so she must get something from it.

[eastcoast99]

Great updates eastcoast. Hope you had fun running with the wife. As most have said communication with your gf is the key and both of you need to enjoy this experience and play.

You could use the running to your advantage to spend some intimate time with the wife alone. After your workout with her, if your gf or her husband aren't around, you could go to one of your homes, share a shower, and show the wife your ability with your hands and tongue. I'm sure she wouldn't mind, and she would probably want to return the favor as well!

We haven't played in different spaces yet, I'm away but we discussed it for when I'm back.

[eastcoast99]

Thanks for your feedback and the welcome, great to be here!

I'm glad to hear that the premature situation happens more times than I thought so I'm not alone lol. Reassuring to hear your take on their intent I guess being new I'm overlooking the situation. I want my gf to have great sex but not to the point where she goes looking elsewhere for more so trying to keep her happy.

I made an update post in this thread as we had another meet, I think I'm a separate room guy to be honest. What is it that he would have the mission to give it to her better than she has before? How is this guy so energized at 53 is what baffles me. He definitely isn't shy and didn't hold back.

This morning since she knew I was a runner, the wife text me to be her running buddy so we went out. Was good to get to know her more, also I did say I would need to check with my gf and she said she already did so in my opinion that aligns with your thoughts around trust.
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"How is this guy so energized at 53 is what baffles me." I'm a personal trainer, and while most guys in their 50s have put on weight and lost muscle mass, there are definitely some who are still beasts in the gym. They train and eat smart, and can often run circles around younger dudes. They also have experience, maturity, and confidence.

The husband sounds just like that, both in and out of the bedroom.

"He definitely isn't shy and didn't hold back." In my experience, most women want men who are comfortable taking the lead in the bedroom. The problem is that it doesn't come naturally to most men. They can sometimes roleplay it, but it's not their natural instinct. You end up with women wanting a guy to take the lead with them, and men who are forced into roles they don't want to be.

"What is it that he would have the mission to give it to her better than she has before?" I'll speak from my own perspective. When I started having sex, I found that I wasn't motivated solely by the act of having sex. I wanted to be good at. Hell, I wanted to be the best at it. So, I approached it like a sport and consciously tried to get better at it. Having a girl tell me how good I was was such an ego boost and made me try even harder.

..and then I was with my first couple. That ramped things up to another level. Not only was I trying to fucked her as well as possible, but now I had an audience. It was such a turn on for me.

I suspect the husband feeds off the same motivations.

"I think I'm a separate room guy to be honest." I would offer a caveat. I think when you are with his wife, you are a separate room guy. You need to be able to focus on her. But the caveat is that when you aren't taking care of his wife, you may, in fact, enjoy getting to see your girlfriend's wild side come out.

"I want my gf to have great sex but not to the point where she goes looking elsewhere for more so trying to keep her happy." I saved this for the end because I think it's the most important aspect. The husband has no desire to hurt y'all's relationship. In fact, that would be bad for him. If you two are happy and enjoying the play, that means he'll get to have you, gf, more often. If you two aren't enjoying yourselves, that means he will get her less.

Similarly, from your gf's perspective, she's getting her cake and eating it too. She has the best of both worlds. She's got an amazing boyfriend, who she obviously loves. She also has a fun playmate, who is quite good at pleasing her. Why would she want to screw that up?
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This is great insight thank you for breaking it down.

[eastcoast99]

Appreciate everyone's helpful feedback, below is an update and then some questions as I navigate this.

Over the last week we have met up with them 3 times, twice during the week for shorter meetups then last night for longer. My endurance is still shaky but I'm putting in the effort. I've been running with the wife most days, and lots of conversation.

We've talked about her husband's sex drive, she's explained he has an insatiable appetite but my gf has been the best yet to help with that. She brought up again the need to meetup separately given reason that it's difficult for 4 ppl to be available at the same time. Nicely said I'm uptight but we can work on that.

I live in an apartment, my gf is in a dorm and will be there for the summer. When the wife came by to meet for our run she saw how messy I am and Thursday came over and tidied my apartment and brought dinner, did my laundry. She's also helping me with my resume lol like it's my mother.

My gf started work at the steakhouse this week, it's great she has a summer job just concerned about spending too much time with her. She laughs at everything he says, gets his opinion on a lot and talks about him a fair bit. She's been a bit different with the attention and compliments, she got her hair done and nails the color he likes and he has a heel fetish so she's added some to her closet.

We talk about the sex we're having, I haven't said anything that's bothering me but it's the choking during rough sex and interlocking fingers during the sensual sex. He also slaps her boobs and grabs her hair hard. She doesn't mention if this is too much.

His 53rd party is next weekend I'll be away, we discussed playing at separate times when I'm back so I'm nervous that she'll wait.

Other then that we're having a good time. The wife sends me pics everyday and is great for conversation.

Should I say something about the parts of sex that bother me?
How many times a week is too much?
Is the attention she's getting where it's changing her a bit normal or just a faze?

[joyful2]

Separate rooms, while intimidating at first are really a safe way for teh experienced couple to ensure things go well. We prefer separate rooms because we have found new couples tend to spend too much attention to what their partners are doing and ignore their new playmate. Cecil, my HW, has had poor experiences where the hubby is too busy watching his wife and I play to give her the attention she deserves.

My wife and I have had the same experiences regarding husbands being so intent on watching me fucking their wives that they ignore my wife. I’ve heard many couples insist on same room because they want to watch their partner have sex with another person. Of course this is necessarily distracting and you can’t give your full attention to the person you’re with. I’d suggest if you want to watch your partner have sex with someone else you go to a club or house party, or invite a 3rd person into your bed. Don’t attempt to “multitask” watching and giving attention to another at the same time.

My impression is that most couples when they first start sharing sexually with others desire same room primarily because of insecurity; they need to watch their partner so they know everything that happens. That’s the way my wife and I felt at first. Over time, many couples become more secure and recognize the benefits of separate rooms. It didn’t take long for us to acknowledge how distracting it was for two couples to be in the same room and desire separate rooms. To us it also seemed more respectful of the person we were with and needed to focus fully on.

[AdamGunn]

My wife and I always preferred same room. We found that we enjoyed the sights, sounds and smells of four people screwing their hearts out. And sometimes, the other man wanted to watch his wife for a bit, and my wife let him do that while she kept him happy with her hand or mouth. She was usually rewarded with a great screw a little later.

Sometimes the other couple desired separate rooms, and we usually made that happen.

However you want to screw, if it makes everyone happy, is the right way to do it.

[cumcleaner]

Once my wife shared with me she had been with two guys in the same bed prior to us getting married I started to bring a MMF fantasy into our love making. I'd whisper things in her ear especially as she was reaching orgasm. It was clear this fantasy excited her. I finally told her if she wanted to share a bed with me and other male or female partners she should purchase a pair of tight black leather pants and have them on when I return home from a work trip and I'll take things from there. About a year later I came home from a 10 day work trip and when I came in the door she was standing there with her head lowered in tight black leather pants. My stategy of not pushing her into it and letting her decide without any pressure from me was the right way to enter swinging for us as a couple.

The next weekend I invited her to meet me and a work friend at a hotel bar a few blocks from our house. It was a Friday night and her first encounter for us as a couple with a third person. She really enjoyed it as he had a 10 inch cock. Several weeks later I had her meet me after work where I was having a drink with a female co-worker. The three of us left the cocktail lounge and went to our house where we had a few more drinks. I whispered into her ear "why don't take a shower and put on the beach cover-up dress without anything on underneath and model it for my co-worker". She did and when she came back into the living room I asked my female co-worker what she thought of my wife's new cover up. She liked it. Then I said do you think it is too long? She said it might be. So I moved my wife directly infront of where my co-worker was sitting on the couch.

I then said I think it is too long as well as I stood behind my wife. I grabbed the fabric and raised the length a bit. Then I nudged my wife closer and asked my co-worker would she like to feel the material. She reached forward to feel the dress and her hand touched my wife's thigh. My wife let out a low moan. Then I nudged my wife a bit closer and raised the hem some more. I was going slow to give my wife a chance to put the brakes on.

I asked my wife to spead her stance a bit and I raised the hem even more. Then I told my co-worked to feel the material some more. By now the hem line was just covering my wife's pussy. My co-worker reached out as I whispered "I love you, enjoy" to my wife where my co-worked made sure as she started caressing my wife's thigh that the back of her hand touched my wife's pussy. Another moan from my wife but only louder as I kissed the back and side of my wife's neck as I caressed her nipple through the fabric.

At this point I whispered to my wife again that I love her and I totally removed the dress as my co-worker started fingering my wife. At this point my co-worker stood up removing her top and bra, kissed my wife, and moved my wife's mouth down to my co-workers nipple. I grabbed a pillow from the couch and threw it on the floor behind my wife, dropped to my knees, and with my wife being freshly showered started pleasuring her ass. Then my co-worker knowing as well that my wife was freshly showered grabbed another couch pillow and put it in front of my wife, dropped to her knees and started eating my wife's pussy. I knew when my wife spread her legs further apart without my encouragement this was going to be fun. Between me and my co-worker we brought my wife to a couple of orgasms.

When we saw my wife orgasm a couple of times my co-worker and I moved my wife into our guest bedroom and my co-worker took a quick shower. Before it ended my wife brought my co-worker to orgasm with her mouth while I fucked my wife from behind.

After those two experiences my wife and I drew up some goals and boundaries to play by letting us enjoy group sex without jealousy.

Once we did our first group sex party we had no issues finding playmates of either sex and we even found our first a beautiful Asian transgender which really spiced things up for both me and my wife.

[Wantsomefunto]

East coast hope an update is coming?

As far as the rough sec he has with her, slapping etc. some
Women like that from a guy they are not in love with.