Young Wife May Start Again

[XYAlpha]

Brandi is not a pet. For you and Martin to discuss "training her" to do whatever Martin wants is beyond the pale.

I am disappointed your journey has devalued her as a person and your committed wife - someone you love.

Your kink is out of control and may cost you everything you hold dear.

I know, negativity.

Just my .02

XY

Generally the rule of thumb is to treat people in accordance to their self-image or aspirations, which is what OP is doing.

It would be a mistake for OP to take the whole credit for Brandi's development from a college slut and cheating girlfriend into an amazing hotwife, just as it is not OP's sole responsibility if this ends up in a ruin

It is a loving husbands responsibility to prevent the ruin of his wife!

My point is that humans CAN be trained. And it is extraordinarily difficult to untrain them. It takes many years and a lot of professional help. We see this in violent ultra religious areas of the world, child solders, cults, and some nonviolent religions.

Perhaps this is where Martins last HW partner went! Her husband had to move to get her away from him. The OP has a choice right now that sets the course for his and Brandis future. And if he goes along with Martin, and then doesn't like the result, she is left on her own with only the one thing that she has been trained to love. Not what she wanted for her future career and busines. What kind of retirememt does Stormy Daniels have?

XY

[Sussexphotographer]

So today's the day! I hope everything goes well and has an awesome horny time

[Sussexphotographer]

So today's the day! I hope everything goes well and has an awesome horny time

[afagehi7]

Brandi is not a pet. For you and Martin to discuss "training her" to do whatever Martin wants is beyond the pale.

I am disappointed your journey has devalued her as a person and your committed wife - someone you love.

Your kink is out of control and may cost you everything you hold dear.

I know, negativity.

Just my .02

XY

Generally the rule of thumb is to treat people in accordance to their self-image or aspirations, which is what OP is doing.

It would be a mistake for OP to take the whole credit for Brandi's development from a college slut and cheating girlfriend into an amazing hotwife, just as it is not OP's sole responsibility if this ends up in a ruin

It is a loving husbands responsibility to prevent the ruin of his wife!

My point is that humans CAN be trained. And it is extraordinarily difficult to untrain them. It takes many years and a lot of professional help. We see this in violent ultra religious areas of the world, child solders, cults, and some nonviolent religions.

Perhaps this is where Martins last HW partner went! Her husband had to move to get her away from him. The OP has a choice right now that sets the course for his and Brandis future. And if he goes along with Martin, and then doesn't like the result, she is left on her own with only the one thing that she has been trained to love. Not what she wanted for her future career and busines. What kind of retirememt does Stormy Daniels have?

XY

XY - while we don't necessarily agree but one thing that is certain, it's more difficult to untrain someone than to train them. Once trained, one needs therapy and lots of support and resources to untrain.

[john jasson]

Have you and Brandi discussed her stripping again, maybe out of town so you don't run into anyone you know. We've done all kinds of crazy things over the years, but my wife would never strip for money. I'd love her to with me in the crowd watching. It's a hot thought. Would you and she enjoy that? She's gorgeous and could earn big money as well as having fun.

[rascalnvixen]

brandiandme,

The idea of her being "trained" to be a QoS is one that requires a lot of discussion and research on your part!! It is hot for brandi and she has limited scope on the situation and that is lots of hot black cock for her. But you need to be the one who is rational and clear thinking in this!! You will find that Martin gave you a clue in his comment "He said, "I can train her to be completely submissive to black men, but you may not like the outcome. It has to be your decision too, at least at this point. I'm not saying it will happen, but in can, and I've seen some white women fully convert and lose interest in sex with anyone but black men." He told you in several ways that wives will often have nothing to do with their husbands after becoming a QoS. He also told you his idea of training Brandi will be for her to submit to him and do who and what he says. This is another warning to you from Martin. He does not want you to be able to say that YOU didn't know what he will have her do. This is him telling you that the training for her is to have her fuck anyone he wishes to please, his friends, his business partners for his purposes to gain an advantage or influence. What he is telling you is that your loving wife will become his black cock whore and will put her in many unhappy situations where he and his BBC friends will OWN her. That is not just a hot term, it is for real. They will tell her where to be, what to wear, who to fuck, who to suck and all of this without your input. His comment " at least at this point" tells you if you go down this path, you will give up any influence in what she does. They will keep her for days and they will bring her home only to change clothes and to get some rest. Then they will come to get her and take her away again, and YOU have NOTHING to say about it, and she will do EVERYTHING they tell her she must do!!!! YOU need to do your homework if you are giving his offer of training her serious thought!!!!! If you think things are different between you and brandi now than before, you have no idea how different things will be if you let Martin "train" her to be a Queen of Spades!!!!!!! It could be very similar to giving her over to an outlaw biker gang to use as their property. Point of clarification: I have not been involved in these situations nor has my Vixen, but I have read credible reports of these situations and the basis of my comments. I can't predict the future for her or you, this is only my opinion, so I can't tell you that any of these things will or will not happen but if you think about what Martin has said to you, you will begin to see my point in this comment. Yes, I am painting a pretty dismal image of the potential situation but it would be best to warn you of what may happen than to let you go and think she will just play with these black guys for a few hours and then come back home to you and be your loving wife. The choice is yours and mostly brandi's

Choose wisely!!!!

Rascal

[brandiandme]

Brandi is not a pet. For you and Martin to discuss "training her" to do whatever Martin wants is beyond the pale.

I am disappointed your journey has devalued her as a person and your committed wife - someone you love.

Your kink is out of control and may cost you everything you hold dear.

I know, negativity.

Just my .02

XY

The Martin training her topic was at the top of our minds all of Friday, which lead to a lot of discussion.  XY, you'll be glad to know we 100% agree with ya on this one .  She's not a dog.  The whole concept and idea is kind of ridiculous and hokey.  She is basically giving her pussy to Martin when he wants already.  The total submission thing is a no go.  

We are both a little surprised at just how much the interracial thing turn us on.  She admits she is very much turned on by black men, especially older men.  The whole interracial thing never seemed like a big deal before we started doing it, but there is just something extra naughty about it.  I don't even know how many times I've already heard Brandi beg for black cock and say how much she loves it this week.  We both wondered if the fact she somehow saw fucking black guys as more naughty made it racist in a weird way.  I don't think so, you like what you like.

We did talk a lot about the black only thing.  It's so kinky and really turns Brandi on.  There's an aspect to the fact that her father has some racist tendencies.  He's not running around saying the N word, but you know how you can just tell with some people by actions and certain words.  I know this is going back to the daddy issues thing, but jut like stripping or fucking a bunch of guys in the hood, this is a big fuck you to her Dad by saying "Look, daddy's little girl only fucks black men now, and lots of them."  This is just speculation.  She has not said this and I would not dare say it to her, but it makes sense.  Am I a fucked up perv for encouraging it and letting it happen.  Without a doubt.  

So, although it's kind of been a game so far, we've made the decision and it is official as of last night, Brandi is black only besides me.  We've got a lot of time on our hands right now and might as well play some fucked up deranged sex games.  We came to this decision last after some drinks and smoke and immediately after coming to this decision I had the giant black dildo in her pussy and was calling her a black cock slut.  We were a little fucked up and before long I had her telling me why she only fucked black men.  "Because their dicks are so much bigger and they know how to fuck."

I know, this is a crazy dangerous and perverted game we are playing right now, but it's so fun.  It's fucking addicting in a weird way.  

It's a chill day today and Martin is coming over tonight.

I absolutely the stripping idea at some far off destination.  I will bring that up.  Maybe when the Coronavirus lockdown is over we'll do it.  We've got some time to plan.  

[brandiandme]

brandiandme,

The idea of her being "trained" to be a QoS is one that requires a lot of discussion and research on your part!! It is hot for brandi and she has limited scope on the situation and that is lots of hot black cock for her. But you need to be the one who is rational and clear thinking in this!! You will find that Martin gave you a clue in his comment "He said, "I can train her to be completely submissive to black men, but you may not like the outcome. It has to be your decision too, at least at this point. I'm not saying it will happen, but in can, and I've seen some white women fully convert and lose interest in sex with anyone but black men." He told you in several ways that wives will often have nothing to do with their husbands after becoming a QoS. He also told you his idea of training Brandi will be for her to submit to him and do who and what he says. This is another warning to you from Martin. He does not want you to be able to say that YOU didn't know what he will have her do. This is him telling you that the training for her is to have her fuck anyone he wishes to please, his friends, his business partners for his purposes to gain an advantage or influence. What he is telling you is that your loving wife will become his black cock whore and will put her in many unhappy situations where he and his BBC friends will OWN her. That is not just a hot term, it is for real. They will tell her where to be, what to wear, who to fuck, who to suck and all of this without your input. His comment " at least at this point" tells you if you go down this path, you will give up any influence in what she does. They will keep her for days and they will bring her home only to change clothes and to get some rest. Then they will come to get her and take her away again, and YOU have NOTHING to say about it, and she will do EVERYTHING they tell her she must do!!!! YOU need to do your homework if you are giving his offer of training her serious thought!!!!! If you think things are different between you and brandi now than before, you have no idea how different things will be if you let Martin "train" her to be a Queen of Spades!!!!!!! It could be very similar to giving her over to an outlaw biker gang to use as their property. Point of clarification: I have not been involved in these situations nor has my Vixen, but I have read credible reports of these situations and the basis of my comments. I can't predict the future for her or you, this is only my opinion, so I can't tell you that any of these things will or will not happen but if you think about what Martin has said to you, you will begin to see my point in this comment. Yes, I am painting a pretty dismal image of the potential situation but it would be best to warn you of what may happen than to let you go and think she will just play with these black guys for a few hours and then come back home to you and be your loving wife. The choice is yours and mostly brandi's

Choose wisely!!!!

Rascal

That's a pretty fucking extreme scenario. Not happening.

[rascalnvixen]

brandiandme,

The idea of her being "trained" to be a QoS is one that requires a lot of discussion and research on your part!! It is hot for brandi and she has limited scope on the situation and that is lots of hot black cock for her. But you need to be the one who is rational and clear thinking in this!! You will find that Martin gave you a clue in his comment "He said, "I can train her to be completely submissive to black men, but you may not like the outcome. It has to be your decision too, at least at this point. I'm not saying it will happen, but in can, and I've seen some white women fully convert and lose interest in sex with anyone but black men." He told you in several ways that wives will often have nothing to do with their husbands after becoming a QoS. He also told you his idea of training Brandi will be for her to submit to him and do who and what he says. This is another warning to you from Martin. He does not want you to be able to say that YOU didn't know what he will have her do. This is him telling you that the training for her is to have her fuck anyone he wishes to please, his friends, his business partners for his purposes to gain an advantage or influence. What he is telling you is that your loving wife will become his black cock whore and will put her in many unhappy situations where he and his BBC friends will OWN her. That is not just a hot term, it is for real. They will tell her where to be, what to wear, who to fuck, who to suck and all of this without your input. His comment " at least at this point" tells you if you go down this path, you will give up any influence in what she does. They will keep her for days and they will bring her home only to change clothes and to get some rest. Then they will come to get her and take her away again, and YOU have NOTHING to say about it, and she will do EVERYTHING they tell her she must do!!!! YOU need to do your homework if you are giving his offer of training her serious thought!!!!! If you think things are different between you and brandi now than before, you have no idea how different things will be if you let Martin "train" her to be a Queen of Spades!!!!!!! It could be very similar to giving her over to an outlaw biker gang to use as their property. Point of clarification: I have not been involved in these situations nor has my Vixen, but I have read credible reports of these situations and the basis of my comments. I can't predict the future for her or you, this is only my opinion, so I can't tell you that any of these things will or will not happen but if you think about what Martin has said to you, you will begin to see my point in this comment. Yes, I am painting a pretty dismal image of the potential situation but it would be best to warn you of what may happen than to let you go and think she will just play with these black guys for a few hours and then come back home to you and be your loving wife. The choice is yours and mostly brandi's

Choose wisely!!!!

Rascal

That's a pretty fucking extreme scenario. Not happening.

It was meant to be extreme to provoke thought, as I said. But I'm very glad to read that you two have dismissed this idea as "pretty fucking extreme".

Rascal

[Claireandcarl]

Brandi is not a pet. For you and Martin to discuss "training her" to do whatever Martin wants is beyond the pale.

I am disappointed your journey has devalued her as a person and your committed wife - someone you love.

Your kink is out of control and may cost you everything you hold dear.

So true...

So, although it's kind of been a game so far, we've made the decision and it is official as of last night, Brandi is black only besides me. We've got a lot of time on our hands right now and might as well play some fucked up deranged sex games. We came to this decision last after some drinks and smoke [...]

Great plan!

I know, this is a crazy dangerous and perverted game we are playing right now, [...] in a weird way.

Yes ...

[john jasson]

The Martin training her topic was at the top of our minds all of Friday, which lead to a lot of discussion.  XY, you'll be glad to know we 100% agree with ya on this one .  She's not a dog.  The whole concept and idea is kind of ridiculous and hokey.  She is basically giving her pussy to Martin when he wants already.  The total submission thing is a no go.  

I can understand why the idea of her being trained by him to be a completely submissive QoS gets you both hot. It certainly would have done us too, but we never got quite that extreme. It's difficult isn't it? She sure has the qualifications to do it. You get so far down the rabbit hole with these games and you are always looking for another angle to make it that bit hotter, that bit dirtier, that bit more taboo. You think about things, talk them through, dismiss them as crazy and then a couple of weeks later you're both horny as hell and you come back to the "what if?" It would be hot to question her closely as to whether SHE wants to put herself in that position.

I would never rule anything out. We never did. As you said a while back, 50% of vanilla marriages end in divorce whatever. Our take on it, and my Sherrie is another girl who often said "What if I like it too much?", was always that if it all went pear-shaped and she left me, then we didn't have what we thought we had together in the first place. That thought sustained us through a lot of crazy stuff because it was our sacred belief that we were unbreakable. We just liked to push it and nobody who knows us would ever have imagined it.

All I would say is that if you go for it, you have to maintain your communication at every stage. Don't ever flake on her - but you already know that. I read Rascal's post, and I respect what he says about caution. All cases are different, though. If you think you can support her through it and you remain steadfastly confident in her love for you, I think it would be the hottest thing imaginable to be able to look at her in her everyday life while thinking about what she gets up to sexually in her total submission to her lovers. I'm not telling you two to do it. Only you know yourselves and your own inner desires, but fuck, if your nerves can stand it, what a ride it would be to let her take it to the limit.

[afagehi7]

So this may be a crazy idea but what if op "trained" HIS wife to bea submissive cockslut to HIM and he can choose the black cocks she fucks. Why on earth turn that power over to Martin or anyone else? Wouldn't it make more sense for hubby to play that role. Maybe Marty can help guide them down this path but in the end Marty's just a stunt cock. OP and brandi are married and supposed to be together forever so her "master" should be hubby not some other bloke.

[brandiandme]

You get so far down the rabbit hole with these games and you are always looking for another angle to You think about things, talk them through, dismiss them as crazy and then a couple of weeks later you're both horny as hell and you come back to the "what if?"

This rabbit hole resonated with me big time. It's so true. You don't start at A and do directly to Z. When you start at A, L seems pretty far away, but once you get to B, then D, then F, then something like L is not as far away. In discussing our hotwife fantasies last year, something like fucking the neighbor upstairs with me on the phone, or running a train on a bunch of random guys in the hood would have sounded and seemed absurd. Yet, once you get to H, then J, now L seems like not as big of deal.

So did "make it that bit hotter, that bit dirtier, that bit more taboo." It's king of like certain drugs. The first time you do it it's like holy shit I can only do and need a little of that. Then you do it again, and more, and pretty soon it takes more amount and frequency to achieve the same rush.

[brandiandme]

So this may be a crazy idea but what if op "trained" HIS wife to bea submissive cockslut to HIM and he can choose the black cocks she fucks. Why on earth turn that power over to Martin or anyone else? Wouldn't it make more sense for hubby to play that role. Maybe Marty can help guide them down this path but in the end Marty's just a stunt cock. OP and brandi are married and supposed to be together forever so her "master" should be hubby not some other bloke.

Sorta agree. However, Brandi does not want anyone to be her master. The idea of someone "owning" someone else is beyond either of us. I've done some perusing on other sites and forums (my work productivity has been shit) that discuss the topic of being "black owned." Frankly I think most of it is fantasy and bullshit, and the couples or women that may be real have a screw loose. I'm usually one to live and let live, but I feel pretty strongly that someone can not and should not own someone else. Sure, it has and can be done, but it is psychologically damaging.

It is one thing for Brandi to submit, during things involving sex (which she does and admits it easy when it is a large dark man), but that's where it ends. When I found Brandi had cheated we discussed what our relationship would look like, it was in that discussion that she was to be my slut, and fuck who I wanted, when I wanted (within reason). Since, she has not disappointed me. It was at my request that she fucked Joe(twice) when he was visiting a few months ago. It was at my heavy encouragement that she fuck the neighbor and Mr. Gray. Just last week when she planed to have a threesome with Tre and his roommate I requested she add Brandon to the mix, which she did with no hesitation. Finding out her whoreish past only strengthened this resolve. After all, she was selling her pussy, albeit only a few times, while we were dating. In fact, she's likely going to be meeting some new guys soon with Martin's help and at my urging.

On to Saturday. It was chill as we had dinner and another long fuck session with Martin beating up Brandi's pussy again along with another fun surprise.  We were honest with him and told him when he arrived that we thought the whole training thing, especially since researching and discussing it more, was a bit ridiculous.  While Brandi likes to submit with sex, that's where it ends.  He was nonchalant about it and reinforced the fact that his primary goal as a bull was to enhance our experience.  He'd only brought in up because of her Qos fascination.  While the Qos thing turns her on the idea of some kind of training does not and seems like work, not fun.   

It was a fun night.  I still got mine too, but was pretty happy to mostly watch the sex show Martin and Brandi were putting on, and I got to DP her.  I got her ass while Martin filled her pussy.  The fun surprise, Martin finally took Brandi's ass.  After I was finished with her ass in the DP and dropped my load in her I sat back to watch and have a drink.  They were talking low to each other and then she slid off his cock, he lubed it up to make it easier, and she guided his cock back into her asshole.  He didn't fuck her hard like he does with her pussy, but she rode him for a bit and then he fucked her on her back until he came in her ass.  

By Sunday morning, her pussy and ass were beat up so we did not have sex.  You can sure bet she sucked me off though.   We did talk with Martin about involving and  introducing other men since the sex party and swing scene was fairly dead right now.  If you remember she had a great time at the party a month ago.  He said he had some friends that he knew would love to play with her, including a few that she played with at the party that would love to see her again.   These would likely be small, more intimate get together's at our place.   He also assured me that he would only involve guys he knows and that can be vouched for and were hung like Brandi wanted. I am all for this and told Brandi I'd love for her to do this for "us".

I have now seen her with Martin, Tre, Chris, B, and Brandon upon my return. 5 guys is not a lot. I've been pretty clear all along about wanting her to be a slut and watch her fuck many men. There is no greater rush than watching Brandi with another man, especially more than one. I'm sure many of you can relate. Why is she doing it for "us"? We both get off on it. I love watching her, and new different men is hot. She loves it as well, and besides the physical part of the act of sex, she has told me she loves the feeling of excitement she gets when she pulls down some guys underwear and sees a new cock for the very first time.

The atmosphere at our place is all sex almost all the time. Toys, including dildos, vibrators, cuffs, floggers, etc and just laying about the apartment now.

BTW, thanks for the advice both public and private.

[brandiandme]

What's up y'all?  The fun games continue.  You asked for more frequent updates.

Damn, we've got a lot of time on our hands.  Is anyone else cooped up in a city apartment with limited places to go?  We came up with some fun ideas, some of which will need to wait a few months, others can happen now.  These are just fantasy, and most will never happen, but a few are realistic.  

1)  Vacation Stripper.  Head to far away city and have Brandi dance one night.  I upped the ante by suggesting she find a guy she likes and offers to fuck him while I watch.  Doing it for money would make it even hotter, and more than one guy would be amazing.  

2)  Vacation Bachelor Party Stripper.  Have her do a private show for a group of guys.  This would be hard to set up.  

3)  Hotel Lobby Prostitute.  Go to a nice upscale hotel and book a two room suite.  Have her find and solicit a guy and explain to him that I am her bodyguard and will remain in the other room while she takes him into the bedroom portion of the suite.  

4)  Letting a delivery guy see her in action.  As you can imagine we are ordering in a lot.  I thought it'd be hot to have a delivery done while she is in action with a bull or bulls on the couch while I open the door for delivery.  The door opens into the living room so this is easily accomplished.

5)  Letting a delivery guy in on the action.  This takes it one step further and would actually be letting the delivery guy come in for a "tip" when she's having group sex.  

6)  Giving a delivery guy a special "tip" solo.  This would involve me in the kitchen (opposite end of the apartment) working while she "tipped" him in the living room.  I would not hide but also not make my presence easily known.  

7) Setting up a full day of dates with 2 guys at a time.  5 different dates with 2 different guys each time for a total of 5 threesomes and 10 guys on the day.  

8) Setting up a full day of dates with one guy at a time.  Can she get 10 dates in during one day.  They'd have to be about an hour apart.  Can her pussy take it?

9) Double gangbang day.  One gangbang in the early afternoon and one at night?  8-10 guys each so she could set a new record of most guys fucked in a single day.  Again, can her pussy take it?

10) 5 for 5.  5 different guys 5 days in a row, for 25 different guys in a week.

11) Vacation gangbang.  I think this would have happened already with the help of Martin's Jamaican friend if we had not had to cancel the trip.  We will be off to Jamaica when we can travel again.  

12 Hotwife Sexcation. Go on vacation and see how many men she can seduce.

Yesterday fun.  The gym was completed last weekend so sex was in the living room or our bedroom.  Brandi had Sex with Chris and Martin both solo yesterday.  I let her alone with Chris this time while I worked (or tried to).  It was pretty hot sitting at my computer in the kitchen while listening to Brandi get railed by her bull down the hall in the bedroom in the middle of the day.  Even hotter when she comes out well fucked and flushed to give me a "Hi honey", peck me on the lips, grab a drink, and then return for more action.  I mostly watched and she sucked me a little while Martin fucked her that night.  


No dates today, but she has dates with Tre, and a double date with Martin tomorrow.  Martin is bringing a new friend along. Brandi won't commit to fucking someone she has not met, but she has not said no to any guy in the last several months, so I don't doubt Martin's friend will be balls deep in her. We did have some fun earlier though and will again later.  It's quickly becoming normal and comfortable for one of her bulls to be here. 

[path22]

It is always a pleasure to read about her exciting life with Brandi. While the amount has decreased, she does have a date. almost every day. I do not think Brandi can endure several days without his black bulls ... A greeting from South America ..

[brudan13]

what an incredible story, I can hardly wait for it to continue

[Supa Scoopa]

Loving a lot of these potential scenarios, especially 6, 7 and 10. 25 different guys in a week sounds amazing!

[john jasson]

You have been letting your minds run riot. An extension to the public stripping would be if she also did a private lap dancing session while you waited in the public part of the club watching the rest of the show.

[brandiandme]

I am taking a break from the action to vent right now. My wife is such a whore. The things she's doing with these guys. I love it, but wow! I'll updated tomorrow. Gotta get back before they break her.

[BallSpanking]

No pics?

[afagehi7]

No pics?

Of course not.

[Tryn]

I’ve been checking back looking for the details of how slutty Brandi was yesterday. Hopefully you’ll update us soon with lots of details of her sluttiness! Looking forward to it!

[brudan13]

Continue the story, I can hardly wait for the next part.

[path22]

Waiting for a new update, about the love virtues of brandi.