Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

[slenderfish]

NEW POTENTIAL GUY!

Okay, as suggested by some already and as one of the possible outcomes from what we learned from Slenderwife's foray into hotwifing during her trip back home, she is looking a starting afresh with an altogether new candidate. Let's call him Mr. R.

She reminded me of how she met Mr. R. It was on or around her last birthday, and she was doing one of the normal birthday celebrations, a girls' night out at one of her favorite wine-oriented restaurants with a vibrant bar and scene. She had along with her at least four single girlfriends, so she was working her wing-woman skills and chatting up a group of guys, apparently out on their guys' night.

One guy in particular took an interest in Slenderwife after they had all started talking within and among the two groups. This guy actually initiated the whole thing by sending over a whole bottle of wine "for the birthday girl" (which reminds me of me). He was essentially the ringleader of his group, the alpha male, and there was no hiding that he was on the prowl.

Anyway, Slenderwife chatted him up for awhile, and after a time found out he is married and that some of the guys in the group are single, etc. She tried to pair up the singles as best she was able.

Somehow Slenderwife's previously living in New York came up, and she mentioned she was going back to visit her NYC friends in a few weeks. Mr. R checked his calendar and noted that he will be there on business at or around the same time.

I'll interject here my recollection that I was able to "find" business reasons to be in NYC back in the earliest days when pursuing Slenderwife (back in 2001/2002).

In any case, he received Slenderwife's phone number and did contact her in NYC to see if she wanted to get together. She declined.

Since then, he has been in contact with her and he has re-oriented his interest to two of the other single girlfriends who were with Slenderwife that night. He seems to have more recently lost interest in one of those two, still pursuing the younger one but she just moved 2500 miles away. She was never interested in him.

I'll note here that she mentioned this guy in passing once or twice, regarding the wine gift on her birthday and also setting him up with her friends, though I didn't put together that it's the same guy. I don't clearly remember anything about his trying to get together in New York.

I do recall some of the above and knew that one of her friends was getting together with a new potential suitor whom she labeled for the sake of discussion "the lawyer." I pulled it all together in my head, with Slenderwife's promptings, that this is the same guy she mentioned having sent wine that night around her birthday. Got it.

Fast forward to yesterday. She mentioned that Mr R may be a candidate, but that he's not interested in her, rather he is interested in the friend who moved away. We had been talking about how a married man can be better, in some respects, especially to address the reputation risk element. He has a powerful reason to keep everything on the down-low, as does she. Also the risk of "falling in love" to the point of wanting to pull her out of her marriage, is also reduced. We'd discussed this over the past week or so since her return,, and apparently it's settled into her mindset.

I reminded her that he was initially interested in her but probably gave up on that after she avoided him in New York.

She said she may find a cover story to contact him, to see if he might invite her to dinner or similar.

Not sure if she will follow through with it, but this is a strong indicator that she is resuming the thought process to becoming a Hotwife.

[KyGrappler80]

She's a bad girl. Love it.

[afagehi7]

He's a perfect candidate if he's got the requisite cocksmith skills. Married is perfect as there are no concerns about a big mouth or trying to steal slender wife. He's successful, alpha, and good looking so he fits plus being successful means he's not going to leave his wife or jeapordize his marriage and lose his bank account. He seems to play the field so he's going to be cheating anyway so she's not a homewrecker and her reputation will be maintained.

Did you see my PM? I'm also into watches

[eb4cplslooking]

The wheels are definitely spinning. Just a matter of time.

[slenderfish]

Last night we had over for dinner and wine (two bottles of red between the three of us) one of Slenderwife's super cute single girlfriends. She is moving out of state next month and had requested we host a going-away party for her. Last night was the planning session. The event will be on the first Saturday night in October.

Let's call her Ms. M.

We love this friend, and I am especially fond of her because she is always aware of sex and sexy things, sexy thoughts (never inappropriate). She is also quite an "empath" as they call it, which I never really plugged into as a real thing until getting to know her. Some points:

- She tells Slenderwife (and me when I'm around) about her boyfriend efforts, etc. and always recounts the number of times they had sex, the size, etc.

- At one of our little parties she brought her Karaoke machine and without fail sings "I got a girl crush" to Slenderwife even in front of other people (including last night)

- At the Independence Day party she pulled out two chairs and insisted she and Slenderwife do lap dances for the guys, that she would instruct. You may recall that Slenderwife chose Mr. B for her chair

- She insisted we get a dancer/stripper pole in our great room for these parties (which I ordered and installed), and is a certified pole dance instructor, has done some group lessons for Slenderwife and other girlfriends here, and intends that they do a recital at her going away party

- She often pulls me aside and asks if the lap dancing, pole dancing, etc. have riled up Slenderwife's sexual appetite

- Last night she was telling Slenderwife about the "O Shot" which apparently stimulates blood flow in the vagina and delivers vaginal orgasms, and contributes to overall horniness for the woman

She is one of those friends who is so easy to talk to, stuff just spills out.

While talking and when we got into the second bottle of wine, somehow the conversation moved to her prior boyfriend only thinking about physical sex and never being sensitive or aware that a woman comes from a different place, emotional etc. in order to get into the mood. I took the opportunity and said that I know someone who just experienced that, and proceeded to describe Mr. S and how that went with Slenderwife, e.g. she told him at the outset she was having a difficult day emotionally, etc. and that they were on an initial meetup to get to know one another and had a bigger date planned for the following night, yet at the end of that first conversation Mr. S kissed and then aggressively shoved his hand down her pants. Of course, I didn't mention this was Slenderwife, whose eyes got big when I related this to Ms. M. but she did nod her head and said it just wasn't right of a man to be like that. Ms. M asked what happened and I told her that Mr. S was kicked to the curb and the following night cancelled, as was appropriate. Ms. M wholeheartedly agreed.

Ms. M then spoke about her last boyfriend and there were issues of fidelity, and she reiterated about her insistence on boundaries in relationships and also fidelity.

The conversation then went to something else, to the time I was away in late August and Slenderwife had the girls over. I believe it was because Ms. M was invited but was not able to attend, so she asked how that went without her. Slenderwife said it was fun and she also kind of "had" to mention that Mr. B also attended as the only male. Ms. M then asked about how and why that came about, and whether I was okay with it, jealous, or what?

Slenderwife looked at me, wondering about my reply, and I said that "I am not a jealous husband, we've been married now almost 12 years and I've known Slenderwife almost 20 years, and I trust her implicitly and without reservation." That was my opportunity. i then pulled up my phone and said "Here's how that party went" and showed Ms M the security video clip of Slenderwife with her hands on the stripper pole and shaking her ass toward the face of a man who was sitting on the love seat about six feet away. Ms. M was happy to see the pole being used and congratulated Slenderwife for her moves. Of course she assumed the man was me. I then showed the security video clip of Mr. B (clear now) taking the hand of Slenderwife and leading her to the master bedroom. I asked Ms. M if she now recognized the man, and she looked closer and identified Mr. B. I asked her if she could see where they went, and she said it looks like the bedroom.

Mind you, we were sitting last night at the exact place this all went down, so it was easy for her to reference what was in the video to where we were sitting.

I narrated that the girls' party was a hit and that Slenderwife clearly had a lot of fun, as obviously did Mr. B. After getting her head straight and taking it all in, Ms. M asked who was still there at the party at the time of these video clips. Slenderwife caught up to what was being shown and said that everyone else was gone at that point. I said that the video clips show it was almost three hours of them alone together like this, until he led her into the bedroom and out of the view of the security camera.

Ms. M asked Slenderwife what she could have been thinking, having this confirmed "dog" of a man Mr. B alone like that, etc. Slenderwife said that it was nothing, that she sees Mr. B as almost like a big brother, and that he did take her into the bedroom and promptly fell asleep on the bed. She got ready for bed in her usual way, wash face, brush teeth, floss, moisturizer, and after some time sleeping next to Mr. B she kicked him downstairs because of his snoring.

I'm sure I'll hear it a bit this morning from Slenderwife for having shown the video clips, and I'll also mention that until last night, Slenderwife had not viewed the video clips, for some reason didn't want to see them. But of course after I showed them to Ms. M, curiosity got to Slenderwife so she had a look.

Ms. M asked me what I thought about it all and I said that anyone who sees these will most certainly believe that Slenderwife was seducing Mr. B, to which Ms. M agreed and pointed this out to Slenderwife. I continued and reiterated my position that Slenderwife is trustworthy and that I fully accept her explanation that nothing happened, etc.

We then changed subjects, went on to a bit of Karaoke, Ms. M sang "Girl Crush" to Slenderwife, and then we walked Ms. M to her car at about midnight and then retired.

Let's see how this plays out with Ms. M over time. She is clearly fond of Slenderwife (and may actually have a girl crush on her) and also of me. She is a girl power kind of woman and does not cotton any misbehavior by men.

I bet that Slenderwife will add Mr. B to the guest list of Ms. M's going-away party. I look forward to it.

[tojanman]

Things are getting interesting! Thank you for the updates Slender. I’m sure watching that video and reliving what happened behind that closed bedroom door must’ve exhilarated and excited Ms. Slender like crazy!

[slenderfish]

It certainly exhilarated and excited me.

Slenderwife continues to insist nothing happened and I thought it would be interesting to see how her girlfriend would think about it, after viewing the video clips. I mean, I actually believe her in my heart that nothing happened but it's really difficult to deny what one sees with one's eyes. So I co-opted Ms. M into the club of hearing what Slenderwife says vs. what is seen by her eyes. It's a new layer for Slenderwife to deal with, especially if she is ultimately not telling the truth.

Slenderwife came into my office this morning and sat on my lap, and said she's a bit nervous today. She asked me if something is wrong, etc. (the way woman does when she may be transferring) on my side. I said no, that I'm just going along with my day etc. I encouraged her to relax and enjoy the day. She is headed to the chiro for an adjustment, then getting hair done in advance of meeting some girlfriends for an early dinner.

One of the purposes of my stint last night showing the video clips was to see what kind of reaction might come after it, at the immediate time and then the next day (today) and also the following days. In that time period now.

[BallSpanking]

Qualms are always to be expected, and respected, and hopefully overcome.
BTW, I believe your wife's version of nothing happening that evening with Mr B.
I agree the videos look damning, but she told you how she feels about him, and
her version seems entirely plausible.

[coastalkid]

You have struck upon something that I have identified as a critical missing element in my quest for a more exciting sex life. It is incalculable to determine how much difference it makes in your wife having a close friend that has a liberated attitude towards sex. It sure sounds like Ms. M is that for your wife. Her leaving is a great loss for you. It is a maddening reality that the voice of someone outside your marriage can carry so much sway in their thinking. I can tell my wife she looks good but when her friends say it it always has greater affect. Do you think your wife being friends with Ms. M has been a source for her to put things in a perspective that gives validity to what you want? I can see having an influential friend as a double edged sword unless that close friend is a level-headed, stable person whose consult is valued. Hopefully your wife has more friends like Ms. M!

[BallSpanking]

It is incalculable to determine how much difference it makes in your wife having a close friend that has a liberated attitude towards sex. It sure sounds like Ms. M is that for your wife. Her leaving is a great loss for you.

I don't disagree with the premise, but I believe Ms M stated at some point she would absolutely 'insist' on monogamy in her relationships. It is hard to tell from the descriptions, whether she was intrigued by HW'ing. Certainly she was accepting of Slenderwife's close call with Mr S, and also understanding of why he was kicked to the curb. Perhaps Ms M can serve as an instigator via text, phone, and video-calls, and stay in close communication with you and Slenderwife. Apparently she is well loved by you both.

Also, you seem to sense Ms M has a crush on Slenderwife, which is hot, but that might also have a bearing on any 'advice' she might give.

[afagehi7]

Ms. M is open minded. Why didn't yall bring up the possibility of hotwife activity? She would have likely enthusiastically supported it and told slenderwife she's a lucky woman to get an extra dessert from time to time.

I assume you saw being called out in a different thread?

[slenderfish]

Ms. M is open minded. Why didn't yall bring up the possibility of hotwife activity? She would have likely enthusiastically supported it and told slenderwife she's a lucky woman to get an extra dessert from time to time.

I assume you saw being called out in a different thread?

Give it time, perhaps Ms. M will be that person. I will of course take anything she says or does with the presumption that Slenderwife is higher on the protection scale vs. me.

Yes, I did see on the different thread.

The whole Spencer story keeps making me go back and look at the premise, the communication and the honesty. This was partially driving my agenda last night with Ms. M. I wanted her (and Slenderwife) to see the video clips so that it wouldn't just be me who has seen them and how damning they appear to be. I wanted someone else, whom I respect (Ms. M) to see the images and then to hear Slenderwife's explanation, and to come to her own conclusion. As of now, it seems she is in the same place as me; we believe Slenderwife and know her enough, and know of her insouciance. Put that all in the mix, and it's certainly plausible. If its plausible and it's your wife, and if there's really no reason for her to lie, then you (I) believe her.

[slenderfish]

So Slenderwife came into my office again this afternoon, sat on my lap, and said she would like to "go fishing" again in October, back to her hometown. She has some ideas of a guy or two who she is interested in seeing, from her days going way back in college. Of course I prefer she hotwife closer to home for my reasons, but we had agreed it will be best (for her, therefore for us) if she is in a comfortable place where she doesn't have to worry about the possibility of being outed. She also noted that she understands the guys "back home" better than in the major metropolitan area in which we live.

Another driver here is that the noisy construction and dust, etc. have recommenced here at our house. Completing a major remodel. We had that apartment through July, but not any longer.

So she will travel, out October 14 returning October 19. I booked the same hotel, room, etc.

Also helped her draft a text message to Mr. S as follows: "Sorry for the delayed reply. Perhaps I'll run into you later this year during another visit to my family. No worries, no awkwardness."

I told her she might keep Mr. S as a possibility for the future, since he was her first choice initially and that must represent something meaningful. That if the first get together was a fail and she can conclude it was a one-off, and if she can reposition that she expects to be romanced and wooed, etc., perhaps he can get it together and be that guy. Ms. M last night kind of gave Mr. S an excuse, in that she knows guys can become sex-mesmerized and lose their class. So Slenderwife is not as negative about Mr. S at this point. She accepted the possibility but said she is now going further back in her social life history, for a guy.

The bigger observation at this point is that her wheels are turning in her mind, and she has started to think of other ways to go about this. She still positions it as something she is doing only because I brought it up. But she also seems to be taking a bit more ownership of the hotwife goal.

[whenwillshe]

Unless Mr S is a fool, October 15th should be a great day for all three of you.
Good luck and thanks for all the communication

[afagehi7]

I still think there are unanswered questions and Ms. M confirmed this regarding the security camera. I don't think anything positive can come from pushing the issue. She has no motivation to lie. If she did, I'd say she was lying. I'd do as you are, keep it on the back burner. Also the apartment incident, another anomaly.

You say you consider spencer's situation. If she was in love with Mr. B and he her then that would suit as motivation HOWEVER if this was the case he wouldn't be outwardly fucking other women to slender wife's knowledge... Perhaps the other woman was a ploy to make SW jealous but if he'd sealed the deal with SW he wouldn't be making her jealous.

If SW was single and looking for a LTR and both you and Mr B were courting her who would win? Ignoring her comments that he's more like a brother.

I perceive that you'd win as more successful, also alpha, etc but if Mr. B is superior on multiple dimensions then you may take concern. In spencer's case wife hit a midlife crisis and the humdrum every day was swept away by the chance to have fun again. You provide SW with ample entertainment so I don't think she has any motivation to think Mr B is better.

The perfect storm is a guy who's better looking, better in bed, bigger cock, more successful, etc than hubby. I don't think Mr B is that perfect storm and in fact I think in the wild you'd probably be able to take his woman.

Just some random musings so now back to regular scheduled program...

Do you pillow talk SW about being naughty with another guy?

[slenderfish]

I still think there are unanswered questions and Ms. M confirmed this regarding the security camera. I don't think anything positive can come from pushing the issue. She has no motivation to lie. If she did, I'd say she was lying. I'd do as you are, keep it on the back burner. Also the apartment incident, another anomaly.

You say you consider spencer's situation. If she was in love with Mr. B and he her then that would suit as motivation HOWEVER if this was the case he wouldn't be outwardly fucking other women to slender wife's knowledge... Perhaps the other woman was a ploy to make SW jealous but if he'd sealed the deal with SW he wouldn't be making her jealous.

If SW was single and looking for a LTR and both you and Mr B were courting her who would win? Ignoring her comments that he's more like a brother.

I perceive that you'd win as more successful, also alpha, etc but if Mr. B is superior on multiple dimensions then you may take concern. In spencer's case wife hit a midlife crisis and the humdrum every day was swept away by the chance to have fun again. You provide SW with ample entertainment so I don't think she has any motivation to think Mr B is better.

The perfect storm is a guy who's better looking, better in bed, bigger cock, more successful, etc than hubby. I don't think Mr B is that perfect storm and in fact I think in the wild you'd probably be able to take his woman.

Just some random musings so now back to regular scheduled program...

Do you pillow talk SW about being naughty with another guy?

Good questions/good points. Especially about the seemingly unanswered question about Mr. B. Also the summary.

I believe in the wild I would win, if both of us were suitors, etc. Financially, he was better (I surmise) until 2008 crisis and really took a hit. But so did i/we at that time. Hmmm. But as for right now, and the past couple years, probably me/us. Future (beginning next month), his financial growth opportunities if they play out, he'll skyrocket past.

Attractiveness (especially to Slenderwife, I probably win on that one. I have a certain American mix that she is drawn to.

Physical overall, he gets that one because of his height, and likely has a bigger cock (even if proportionate).

He is probably five years younger vs. me.

He is a bit more outgoing, a bit more charisma. Just a bit.

His wife likes me more than she likes him (they are in the midst of an slow-moving but amicable divorce).

I think I always win with Slenderwife because I understand her from the inside, perhaps deeper than she understands herself. I accept all of who she is and have proven it over and over. She runs deep in some respects and shallow in others. I embrace both and allow for her shallow elements, not being critical about them.

I believe it is the imperfections that make us more human, more unique, more ourselves. As I say to Slenderwife, if you were perfect in every respect, you would indeed be the Barbie doll and that's ultimately not interesting except to look at. I mean, Barbie has no nipples or vagina!

As for the pillow talk, yes we've done this over recent years starting with a) my imaginary identical twin brother (with better skills, as an initial concept she would accept); b) a hunky man who is faceless and nameless, that I asked her to "conjure" up; c) with her blindfold (her sleeping mask) on, a dildo she named Jamaal; d) a guy we kind of know, Ty (former pro football player); e) Mr. S (initially my story but she more recently initiated the story); f) Mr. B (I initiated the talk, she had a huge orgasm, but then cautioned that Mr. B was only an imagination and it never did and never will happen.

[slenderfish]

Yesterday afternoon we had time to talk a bit. I asked her to think about her main concern at this point, e.g. is it trust of me or oriented to me, or is it the uncertainty of being physical with another man, is it her own processes and managing her personal image/conditioning (I didn't use these exact words), etc.?

She said at this point it's me. She then indicated she had been speaking more with Mr. M (her affair partner from when she was 26-28 yrs old), with whom she has kept contact over the years. Said she needed to talk to someone male whom she trusts. Ran the whole hotwife thing past him. Said he thought it was the weirdest thing he'd ever heard, said it was messed up and that her husband must have marbles loose, said it can't end well for the marriage and that husband is probably looking for a reason to sleep with other women.

She also said that she'd done some of her own reading (as a result of the Falwell Jr. story) and that some swingers were saying that cuckolds are inevitably gay or bi and this is their way of seeing or getting cock while staying married and in the closet.

I guess the above is inevitable and to be expected. I told her that these are responses "known" to the hotwife community and are widely jeered by those "who know" because they are musings of those who have no clue and obviously do not know. These can't be trusted.

I also explained that people's knee-jerk reaction to a man's hotwife desire is going to be to reject it, to find fault, etc. I mean, even I rejected and found fault with it, with myself about it, for quite some time until I dug deeper and educated myself about it, and about the community. I asked her to do some real research, to talk to some real people. Not sure if she will at this point. I also said the responses of Mr. M and her reading about swingers, both responses/explanations are obviously emotional reactions (theirs) to something they can't fathom and therefore they find fault through the view of their eyes and goggles, going immediately to their insecurities (sleeping around in the case of Mr. M and bisexuality/gay in the case of swinger men).

I then kind of chuckled at the irony; Mr. M is the least open minded about it at this point, but he is at the same time probably top three of all the men in the world that would be perfect for Slenderwife as her hotwife lover, because they do have a physical history and there is almost no risk (to her). She noted that he had pursued her all those years ago and asked he to keep it a secret (at the time and since then) especially from his wife. She further noted that it's "her turn" and that "reciprocity" calls for him to accommodate her with a couple more years of affair, this time from her pursuit. She asked me if I think she should directly propose something to him; I said she should decide what and who she wants and that I'll happily help her with a strategy. Note I don't see it happening. He has gained weight, is a bit fearful of me (weirded out) and has shown in recent years he is not even willing to meet up with Slenderwife for coffee etc. because of his marriage etc.

We concluded our conversation with my recommendation that she also not forget to spend some time thinking about what it might be like to take a handsome and sensitive lover, to have this man pursuing her, thinking about her, wanting her. To feel like this desired object, sharing intimate physical interaction, the newness, etc. I acknowledged that this fantasy came from me but ultimately the desire and satisfaction should be oriented to herself, for this to work best for her, and therefore to work best for me.

[BallSpanking]

Unfortunately, Slenderwife's male confidant immediately nixed the notion, and went to the stereotypical responses we have heard from many who initiate the lifestyle.. If Slenderwife had approached him proposing an affair with him, his reaction possibly would have been quite different.

You may have to be patient a while longer, and refer Slenderwife to reputable articles and literature that talk about HW'ing. While it is true that gay and bisexual men who are married may resort to HW'ing as a back door to gay experiences, it is also true that some husbands would also use it as an excuse to fuck around outside the marriage. But there are a thousand other reasons why husbands take an interest in HW'ing, including out of love, care, and desire for sexual and emotional growth within a marriage.

[KyGrappler80]

Sounds like you overcame the objections skillfully. I think laughing off and sincerely addressing the gay/bi issue or her concern this is for you to get a hall pass may bring you one step closer.

[slenderfish]

She said she realizes that going to a vanilla middle-aged guy in middle America (her hometown area) will get this kind of response. He also told her (after she told him about the flubbed time with Mr. S) that any guy who suggests meeting a married woman in a bar/restaurant at her hotel, and if the woman agrees, believes this is a green light as an invitation to sex. Not very sophisticated, to say the least.

This Mr. M is a resource and friend (and former lover), but has to be taken from the context of where he sits and his life's experiences, etc.

[slenderfish]

Sorry, this is self-indulgent, but Slenderwife just left the house for her private training session with Mr. G. She was wearing cute soft pink-flower print spandex capri pants to just below the knees, a white sport-bra top,and a little cover-up over that.

I know her and she put on the cover-up for me, so I wouldn't see the sport bra and the obvious fact that she has nothing under it. I also know that she will take off the cover up prior to her workout and her cleavage and full midriff will be on display. Finally, the air conditioning of the workout room will be cool so her nipples will stand out and probably be able to make out her areolae.

Would have loved to capture a photo.

She is indeed starting to dress a bit more provocatively, these last few months. I mentioned that she has referred three single girlfriends to him within the last two months, and I think she is subconsciously competing with them to be his "favorite" or similar.

She has started going to his facility on non-training days, asking him if she can use the treadmill for a run, in the air-conditioned environment. Sp she is there three or four times a week. And I can be sure the treadmill days are definitely when his wife is not around (his wife is wary of Slenderwife).

All in good fun. I'm sure she's not looking for anything sexual from Mr. G (not now, for certain) but she has an ego and seems to like the attention.

Perhaps she is subconsciously also pumping her ego in advance of her next hotwife effort in mid-October (the "fishing trip" as she calls it).

[54321]

For Slenderwife's research:

Sex at Dawn: How We Mate, Why We Stray, and What It Means for Modern Relationships
by Christopher Ryan and Cacilda Jetha | 5 Jun 2012

What Do Women Want?: Adventures in the Science of Female Desire
by Daniel Bergner | 5 Jun 2014

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[afagehi7]

I'd suggest you put the research together and give her a reading list. If she does her own research she's going to think you want to wear panties and suck cock whilst being humiliated. A lot more to that out there than what we consider hotwife information.

[slenderfish]

I'd suggest you put the research together and give her a reading list. If she does her own research she's going to think you want to wear panties and suck cock whilst being humiliated. A lot more to that out there than what we consider hotwife information.

Yes fully aware of that. Will do.

[Mark K]

Unfortunately, Slenderwife's male confidant immediately nixed the notion, and went to the stereotypical responses we have heard from many who initiate the lifestyle.. If Slenderwife had approached him proposing an affair with him, his reaction possibly would have been quite different.

Yes. It was really disheartening on Friday night to see a comedian on cable put up pictures of Falwell, Roger Stone, and Manafort and noted that "...these are the types of men that want to see their wives with other men..." etc.

Until I found this site I was questioning if this desire was really out there and abnormal. Kind of two steps forward one step back in my wife's mind about this whole idea after seeing that on TV. She does not want us to be associated with those stereotypes; as she still does not know enough about it and the positives. Uphill challenge for sure.