Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

[regular3]

My take is she is is also conflicted about her own feelings. First, her own moral compass you have talked about. Second, her feelings about him and what it means as it goes against her love for you. Third, she is holding back because she doesn't want to hurt you with the details and how much she loved the experience. They're all genuine feelings and are all intertwined.

[slenderfish]

Well, her flights are booked and she is presently holding open Wed night (prior to Thanksgiving Day) for Mr. S. at her (our) hotel, which I'd booked last month from Wed-Sun nights. The present plan is that i travel with my son early Thursday and meet the family (and SW) at the gathering early afternoon. Hopefully it all works out for her to arrive flushed and beaming with our little "secret" and her smile belying what went on with her and Mr S. Then I return Sunday evening and she hangs for three more days with Mr. S to the extent they are able to match schedules on those days.

If he's with her on Wednesday night then I'll be with her on Thursday night, same hotel room, same bed, a day later. He will then take the slot (pun intended) beginning Sunday night. SW has taken very kindly to this concept, and seems to be irritated that it's not yet fully locked down (by Mr. S with respect to his part).

The only fly in this ointment is that Mr. S has not circled back with SW to confirm the days and dates. She is pushing the plan by booking the flights, kind of "assuming the close' on this plan.

But as each day goes along with no confirm from Mr. S (let's be realistic, it's only been two days), SW is getting increasingly anxious and starting with the self-doubt conversations. It's part of the deal with her.

She was all wound up and has plans to meet girlfriends tonight. Decided she needed a release so she "begged my pardon" while sitting on the bed next to her after my shower, and pulled out her go-to vibrator and got a little stress relief while I did my work and took a minute to hold her hand and stroke her hair as she rolled through a modest but satisfying orgasm.

I must say, this is probably the first time she pulled out her vibrator in this manner. She basically does not use it except with me in the mix. I get the impression that she might have used it today whether or not I was present. Note that I support her doing so, and that I always told her that the vibrator is for her personal "getting off" and that she should use it often.

An early sign of libido uptick?

Let's hope Mr. S comes back with confirmations rather soon, so that SW may return to her normal progress of digesting her splash into the Hotwife club, and getting back to her sexuality (and sex with me).

[whenwillshe]

She definitely had enough arousal to reach for her go to so we can only imagine her thoughts as she processes this.
Seems to me that the alone time after a relatively quick encounter was an extra weight and I wish she had reached out to you in the immediate aftermath to help in the emotional rush.
It reads to me that you are all in a decent place but what of your needs to be with her now?
How are you doing?

[MP15T]

Been interested in and following this. You are extremely articulate and well thought out and have great insight

You present this all with your angle to realize a goal- which you have now achieved

I am hoping that your wife really loves, values, and is concerned about you because it doesn’t fully come out this way. She doesn’t update you or seem to want to delve much in to your feelings on all this. It could be there but you don’t present it as such? You come across as a hard working, caring man who wants and provides the best for her in every way. Sorry if I offend or buzzkill but I hope you are truly loved and valued and it is perhaps lost in my translation

[superb101]

I find it interesting she doesnt want to have sex with you to "reclaim" her but she is, seemingly, excited about getting back to Mr. S. Does that not bother you?

[whenwillshe]

Worst things that could happen is she shuts down or Mr S blows her off....

[regular3]

If the hotel plan pans out, make sure housekeeping don't make it or change the sheets. It would be great to preserve "the scene of the crime"

[slenderfish]

Lots to ponder here.

[XYAlpha]

As a bull, I tend to lurk on these forums. Mostly because I find the conversations interesting as they pertain to how bulls are perceived. Something about this story has interested me...and as I bull, I'm going to weigh in and offer some perspective.

I've been in the lifestyle for around ten years now. Started in my mid-20's with a friend's mom, (which sadly ended the friendship with said friend) and it snowballed from there. The first few years, I really wasn't all that picky with the wives/girlfriends I played with. If they were attractive and clean, I was typically in. But over time I started to pay more attention to Hotwife/Cuck dynamics, and grew more and more reluctant to get involved with first timers and couples that clearly had no established rules beyond wearing a condom. (And let's be clear, plans...even thoroughly laid plans...aren't lifestyle boundaries and rules.) And I get it that there are plenty of bulls that don't care. And that's fine...but roughly 350 wives/'girlfriends later, watching these dramas unfold can be a bit exhausting when the object of affection is both on the end of your dick and then conflicted when it's over. Or worse, trying to sort out in real time what's "OK" and what isn't with an overly anxious husband standing in the corner with his dick in hand and nobody is really thinking straight. (In my younger days it was a "thrill", but as I've gotten older it's a giant pain in the ass when you're fucking a newly minted hotwife or girlfriend and a couple has requested a condom, and just as I'm about to blow and she wants it in her pussy and the guy doesn't know what to do. Sort this shit out people! I mean, I'm down for some "in the moment" stuff, especially with established wives/girlfriends and couples, but the "new to this" uncertainty can be a problem.) And as a rule I won't do sleepovers or post orgasm cuddle-time pillow talk either. I'll fuck your wife or girlfriend overnight, and maybe we catch some naps in the process between rounds, but the whole "sleepover" for connection thing can be relationship poison for couples just figuring this out. At least in my experience.

My advice, for whatever it's worth, is for both of you to get your emotional stuff and rules together before plowing forward with this. This isn't a business transaction where there's a clear result and bottom line. Coaxing an already conflicted wife or girlfriend into a complicated lifestyle can backfire in ways you wouldn't believe. And waiting until she's sat on a strange dick to sort stuff out is a bit like trying to shove the toothpaste back in the tube. From what I've read, she already has a secretive side, and she's conflicted on multiple levels as to why you want this, why she would want this, etc. It's no wonder you got nothing out of this experience, because in essence she just cheated on you with your blessing. From what I can tell (and have watched first hand), most Cucks are so focused on the fantasy and getting their significant others into doing it, no matter how masterfully they lay the groundwork, they're 99% of the time still dealing with a woman who's wondering just what the fuck is going on. I've known even the most uptight of women to toy and tease with the fun and fantasy of the Hotwife life, but it's one thing to have a fun and flirty fantasy, and another to have a fantasy drain his balls in you, or orgasm on a strange dick, and then have to deal with the emotion of it all. With as many hangups and needs for deep connection as she apparently has, if you do move forward, you guys need to establish what she gets out of this, and what you get out of this, and how that works in real time, as much as possible. (And I say this, because I've met couples where they start out with the "let's get a dick in her, and go from there" plan and 6-12 months later either the relationship is over, or the guy with a soft Cuck fantasy ends up in total denial, caged, and with a wife that has no desire for him anymore.) It also needs to be said that some women just aren't up for it. They might enjoy the fantasy of it, but emotionally the act is too much. And it can have nothing to do with religious hangups or societal norms, some women just can't get their heads/hearts around it. And that has to be OK too.

Anyway - there you go. Another perspective from the other end of this. My best to you both.

Alex

XY

[BigHotMess]

Yup, I can barely check this thread. It’s a train disaster waiting to happen.

SW you have faux confidence over ‘.I know how she is’. That is narcissistic and frankly insulting to her. You’re not starting a lifestyle, you’re pushing her to other guys and then refusing the have soul-baring levels of communication (required) to get what you want, which isn’t even clear.

You’re going to be writing for a number of cheerleaders here. You really need to bet out your thoughts not here but with the help of a professional. Frankly, you’re fucking insane doing anything else unless you push the pause button & seek out a third party to facilitate discussion.

[8toplaywith]

Heavy.

[afagehi7]

Take it easy on Fish y'all. It's not a train wreck yet. It's not even close. His biggest threat was Mr. B and that's fizzled out and now Mr B has business interest with fish so doubtful he'd steal SW as he's old enough to value the business relationship more than ass.

They've just got through the first experience. It's at a distance so not like she's going to have the ability for secret lunch dates and fall in love.

Fish is letting the dust settle before he fishes for more. Give him a chance to work his charms. She's just starting to swim so he does not want to spook her by telling her sharks are in the water. He's at a delicate point that requires some finesse. He's working on it and knows SW better than us.

Let's see how the next trip unfolds before casting judgement.

Fish - her needing to masturbate herself indicates that something is waking up inside of SW. The rewards should soon be your's. If she stays cold you may want to reassess the next visit. I personally don't think the train is runaway yet or off the tracks. Everyone gets into this differently. It didn't work out for me but I'd probably be doing what you are doing so as to not spook her. If she's spooked and decides against hotwifing it'll be years before you have a chance to try again.

We're all following with great interest. You're in a situation most of us aren't familiar with. An upper class life with an upper class high maintenance wife. I'm just a middle class schlub with an average wife.

[XYAlpha]

I think the greatest threat to the marriage and the LS (presuming the desire is for BOTH to be good) is that SF moved forward without a plan. I know that seems counterintuitive based on all of his writings, but the fact is there were no agreements, he never shared with her what he wanted, and frankly he does not know what she wants. This is the basis for the "Train Wreck" commentary.

To put this in perspective for my post, I consider that many of us reading this unfold have an idea that SF wants his wife to participate in his kink (I say his because he introduced it - and I accept that it may become hers but he owns the initiative). I think many of us, myself included, developed the idea that he was looking for the mainstream version of the LS (is that a thing?) where the wife has sex with other men for their mutual enjoyment, she shares the adventures with a lot of detail, some pics / vids, their personal sex life either remains as it was or is enhanced, he is not into Cuck style treatment / humiliation, and of course he remains her #1.

With that picture in our heads, we see how the events are unfolding and recognize that it is not consistent with the path he is on.

So, before we decide he is doomed (and he could be) we need to finally hear from the man himself - what does he want out of this? What are his expectations with regard to the things I noted above?

Of course, this should have been shared and discussed in great detail with SW before she took this huge step - becoming a HW.

With a lot of us understanding the importance of the reclaim / reconnect, the fact that it has not happened is very troubling to me (again based on my assumption that I knew the LS he was seeking).

If, as it turns out he is in fact looking for a more Cuck role where she witholds information, does't have sex with him, and basically disregards him for other men - then he is on the correct trajectory for that outcome. If that is not what he wants, then he has a very short window of time to correct that - very short.

SF, perhaps have a discussion with SW that this didn't quite go as you expected. Tell her that you want to postpone any further HW activities until you get all of these things out in the open, discussed, and agreed to. This means, rebooking her itinerary to match yours (arriving and departing with you) and no meeting Mr. S (or anyone else).

If she is indeed all wound up to see him again, at the apparent disregard for you, there must be a lot more to the events that took place than you know. Now is probably the only time you can get the horse back into the barn - so to speak.

Please tell us the details on what you think the LS looks like for you so that we can either comment or not. To your recent home projects, we may be a bunch of landscapers commenting on your electrical work!

XY

[slenderfish]

To put this in perspective for my post, I consider that many of us reading this unfold have an idea that SF wants his wife to participate in his kink (I say his because he introduced it - and I accept that it may become hers but he owns the initiative). I think many of us, myself included, developed the idea that he was looking for the mainstream version of the LS (is that a thing?) where the wife has sex with other men for their mutual enjoyment, she shares the adventures with a lot of detail, some pics / vids, their personal sex life either remains as it was or is enhanced, he is not into Cuck style treatment / humiliation, and of course he remains her #1.

With that picture in our heads, we see how the events are unfolding and recognize that it is not consistent with the path he is on.

XY

This (above). I have describe it to her, many times, and she has asked for clarification, etc. She know this is where this is supposed to be heading, and has agreed but also noted that she first has to have the proper guy. She deliberately chose Mr. S for this, for her first foray.

I noted to her that it's a long shot to pull a man out of the wild and hope or expect he will be game for it all. But the background of Mr. S is fairly consistent with the possibility (he has some deep cultural French influences but is not French) and, as observed previously, is handsome and a bit of a "player" and at the same time is chill and relaxed and friendly.

I believe the biggest hurdles at this point are as follows:

1) She has to finally accept that it's okay, to give herself permission to enjoy it. Then she can start thinking outside herself.

2) She has to then re-address how she relates to a man with whom she is having sexual relations; that is, it's not for the purpose of marriage but for the purposes agreed by the marital couple. Ergo, what she gets out of it and what I get out of it.

We have had these conversations and she understands that we are leading up to things such as a) reclaim b) x-rated description of the encounter; c) pictures; d) video; e) threesome. She has acknowledged and agreed but also noted that she can't just jump into (c) (d) and (e) with Mr. S at the outset. She has laid the groundwork with respect to me, with Mr. S., in that he knows it's not a cheating situation but rather she is playing with my knowledge and consent. He is in a long-term relationship and is himself playing.

She is all good with (a) and (b) but just asked for a few days to get herself settled. Last night she said that today (Thursday) will be the day. This is exactly what I predicted.

It's in my mind that we will attempt to get together with Mr. S in person in November. I'm presently figuring out the best approach to pull that off. Once I have the ability to communicate directly with Mr. S, then many of the communication issues between him and SW will be able to be resolved, in that I will be able to converse with him about things and in ways that SW would never consider.

With all the above said, and I do believe they are true, the present situation is that SW has not heard back from Mr. S regarding the proposed dates and plan in November, so she's now getting concerned about the possibility that he is blowing her off and her giving up her hotwife cherry to him was a major mistake. I'm helping her reframe this away from her normal dating mentality (e.g. you sleep with a man solely to develop deeper relationship leading to marriage) to a hotwife mentality (e.g. it was a first experience with a handsome man of your choosing and you achieved your goal).

And I do believe he is not blowing her off, that his style (as evidenced by his past communication style) is to not jump right on the calendar. He'll pop up soon enough, and all of SW's concern around this element will magically dissolve. She will become elated and game on.

She said she desires the adulation of a man who is "blown away" by her looks, her body, her charm. For her ego. Not getting this very strongly from Mr. S at this point. It is not his style, and she doesn't know how to ask for it. She is assuming that the man will be sufficiently "hooked" by her, that he will then agree to her parameters of the relationship including the request for pics/vids/etc. Not going exactly according to plan. I always expect the need to take reality and try to adapt it and the plan to something that is able to be accomplished. She is more black and white, and gets disappointed and concerned if something goes off plan.

The good thing here is that we have several weeks before the next possible encounter. Time for SW to settle into her new hotwife self-concept. And Mr. S will, within the next several days, show his hand (or not, which is still showing his hand). Lots of ground is able to be covered between now and late November.

[samlowen]

She has laid the groundwork with respect to me, with Mr. S., in that he knows it's not a cheating situation but rather she is playing with my knowledge and consent. He is in a long-term relationship and is himself playing.

This very much is a cheating situation, just not on your side of the equation.

She said she desires the adulation of a man who is "blown away" by her looks, her body, her charm. For her ego. Not getting this very strongly from Mr. S at this point. It is not his style, and she doesn't know how to ask for it. She is assuming that the man will be sufficiently "hooked" by her, that he will then agree to her parameters of the relationship including the request for pics/vids/etc. Not going exactly according to plan. I always expect the need to take reality and try to adapt it and the plan to something that is able to be accomplished. She is more black and white, and gets disappointed and concerned if something goes off plan.

This gives me the impression that she wanted a stereotypical high school virgin who falls head over heals for the first woman he has sex with. No offense to SW, but if Mr. S is the skilled lover we all envision, he isn't going to be impressed with SW. He's been there before, had those types of women, and can have them when he wants. Her ego could have blinded her to the reality of the situation here. She's hot to trot for him, already having dates and a hotel set up, and he's being cool in his response. He isn't the man to put her on the pedestal she wants for herself. That's what you do. She's chasing and he can feel good about himself and respond when he wants because she's the one who is hooked on doing it again, not him.

[TheHammer]

Sounds like she has a devil on one shoulder and an angel on the other shoulder, both in her ears simultaneously.

[BallSpanking]

There is the possibility that Mr S will not get back to SW, or is not into continuing their hookups. It would be very bad form, but it happens, so I was thinking SlenderFish might (on his own) do some local field work toward the possibility of finding a local FWB with lots of stamina, one that will be appropriately impressed by her charm, wit, an looks, and can provide her with some high quality sexual experiences.

I realize this is likely not within SW's current reckoning, but whether or not the Mr S dalliance continues, it would also lay the groundwork for a FB closer to home (much more available). You are probably spot-on as to your wife's preferences, apprehensions, and manner of proceeding, but on your own, you might be able to scout out a suitable Alpha Bull (perhaps a handsome, well hung fitness instructor) that would be to her liking.

Every path toward HW'ing has its own twists, turns and pitfalls, but you have foreseen many of these and made alternate plans and have intelligent observations and explanations for the dynamics of this process, and know how to set her mind at ease.

[slenderfish]

Yup, I can barely check this thread. It’s a train disaster waiting to happen.

SW you have faux confidence over ‘.I know how she is’. That is narcissistic and frankly insulting to her. You’re not starting a lifestyle, you’re pushing her to other guys and then refusing the have soul-baring levels of communication (required) to get what you want, which isn’t even clear.

You’re going to be writing for a number of cheerleaders here. You really need to bet out your thoughts not here but with the help of a professional. Frankly, you’re fucking insane doing anything else unless you push the pause button & seek out a third party to facilitate discussion.

I am taking all of these suggestions and warnings into consideration. The missing piece over the past few days is that I haven't had enough time to write and expand on all the detailed and ongoing heart-to-heart conversations we've been having.

At the same time, I do remain concerned about the things you all have noted, especially her ongoing penchant for secrecy and also her inclination to try and blame me (not take any personal responsibility or investment) when something goes away from her plan or expectation. But this is her process in all things, not just hotwifing, and we have a proven approach to handling it.

I agree, will not let things go any further without the clear and proper agreement as to her needs, my needs, information sharing, transparency, the fact that we have agreed to do this "together" and it's now time to come "together" before proceeding.

I also agree that she has approached this, perhaps unwittingly, in a manner more akin to her undertaking a secret affair and essentially letting me know that she has started an affair, just providing the summary (time and place) and only substantially after the fact. Also seemingly only because she believes she "has to" provide these in order to continue. This is a more extreme way of looking at it, but I do see this version.

[slenderfish]

There is the possibility that Mr S will not get back to SW, or is not into continuing their hookups. It would be very bad form, but it happens, so I was thinking SlenderFish might (on his own) do some local field work toward the possibility of finding a local FWB with lots of stamina, one that will be appropriately impressed by her charm, wit, an looks, and can provide her with some high quality sexual experiences.

I realize this is likely not within SW's current reckoning, but whether or not the Mr S dalliance continues, it would also lay the groundwork for a FB closer to home (much more available). You are probably spot-on as to your wife's preferences, apprehensions, and manner of proceeding, but on your own, you might be able to scout out a suitable Alpha Bull (perhaps a handsome, well hung fitness instructor) that would be to her liking.

Every path toward HW'ing has its own twists, turns and pitfalls, but you have foreseen many of these and made alternate plans and have intelligent observations and explanations for the dynamics of this process, and know how to set her mind at ease.

This is one of the conversations we've already had, which I haven't had time to share here. She has brought up the positives and negatives of someone closer to home, evidencing that she is already considering alternatives in case Mr. S drops out of the picture. I think this is also positive in that she is not saying she will give up if Mr. S doesn't work out, but rather is considering another way of continuing that may be more practicable.

[slenderfish]

Sounds like she has a devil on one shoulder and an angel on the other shoulder, both in her ears simultaneously.

Yes. She still needs to get more comfortable with it all. Slow but steady progress on that front.

Last night she went out with girlfriends and I suggested to her that she will be with them now for the first time, with her little "secret" that she bedded a younger, fit and handsome man this past weekend, and they have no idea. She smirked and smiled at that concept, and went off to meet them, with a giddy chuckle.

I had boys' night and got home just before she did, rather late, but when she came in she was in excellent spirits and we have a sex date for sometime today when there is sufficient time to break away. I figure it's later, after the work day is completed. I'll try to wrap up my work day on the early side.

[afagehi7]

Sounds like she has a devil on one shoulder and an angel on the other shoulder, both in her ears simultaneously.

Yes. She still needs to get more comfortable with it all. Slow but steady progress on that front.

Last night she went out with girlfriends and I suggested to her that she will be with them now for the first time, with her little "secret" that she bedded a younger, fit and handsome man this past weekend, and they have no idea. She smirked and smiled at that concept, and went off to meet them, with a giddy chuckle.

I had boys' night and got home just before she did, rather late, but when she came in she was in excellent spirits and we have a sex date for sometime today when there is sufficient time to break away. I figure it's later, after the work day is completed. I'll try to wrap up my work day on the early side.

I'll bet she's dying to tell one of her girlfriends to make them jealous. That's standard female operating procedure. Like an engagement, they enjoy being the bride to be and showing their engagement ring and being in the spot light. I'm sure she's just biting her tongue. I'm also certain that a few, if not most, would be a bit envious. What woman wouldn't want to have a husband who puts them on a pedestal, caters to their every whim and need, provides security, is attractive and well-off, and gets to enjoy some hot side cock!

Now I think like a man and whilst the above is a logical conclusion the elusive female doesn't often follow logic patterns.

Will she confide in a girlfriend?

[BallSpanking]

She has brought up the positives and negatives of someone closer to home, evidencing that she is already considering alternatives in case Mr. S drops out of the picture. I think this is also positive in that she is not saying she will give up if Mr. S doesn't work out, but rather is considering another way of continuing that may be more practicable.

That is excellent news, it gives you a glimpse of how far along SW is in accepting the HW concept. The fact she is weighing an alternative to Mr S is very positive.

[JeffBingham]

As a bull, I tend to lurk on these forums. Mostly because I find the conversations interesting as they pertain to how bulls are perceived. Something about this story has interested me...and as I bull, I'm going to weigh in and offer some perspective.

I've been in the lifestyle for around ten years now. Started in my mid-20's with a friend's mom, (which sadly ended the friendship with said friend) and it snowballed from there. The first few years, I really wasn't all that picky with the wives/girlfriends I played with. If they were attractive and clean, I was typically in. But over time I started to pay more attention to Hotwife/Cuck dynamics, and grew more and more reluctant to get involved with first timers and couples that clearly had no established rules beyond wearing a condom. (And let's be clear, plans...even thoroughly laid plans...aren't lifestyle boundaries and rules.) And I get it that there are plenty of bulls that don't care. And that's fine...but roughly 350 wives/'girlfriends later, watching these dramas unfold can be a bit exhausting when the object of affection is both on the end of your dick and then conflicted when it's over. Or worse, trying to sort out in real time what's "OK" and what isn't with an overly anxious husband standing in the corner with his dick in hand and nobody is really thinking straight. (In my younger days it was a "thrill", but as I've gotten older it's a giant pain in the ass when you're fucking a newly minted hotwife or girlfriend and a couple has requested a condom, and just as I'm about to blow and she wants it in her pussy and the guy doesn't know what to do. Sort this shit out people! I mean, I'm down for some "in the moment" stuff, especially with established wives/girlfriends and couples, but the "new to this" uncertainty can be a problem.) And as a rule I won't do sleepovers or post orgasm cuddle-time pillow talk either. I'll fuck your wife or girlfriend overnight, and maybe we catch some naps in the process between rounds, but the whole "sleepover" for connection thing can be relationship poison for couples just figuring this out. At least in my experience.

My advice, for whatever it's worth, is for both of you to get your emotional stuff and rules together before plowing forward with this. This isn't a business transaction where there's a clear result and bottom line. Coaxing an already conflicted wife or girlfriend into a complicated lifestyle can backfire in ways you wouldn't believe. And waiting until she's sat on a strange dick to sort stuff out is a bit like trying to shove the toothpaste back in the tube. From what I've read, she already has a secretive side, and she's conflicted on multiple levels as to why you want this, why she would want this, etc. It's no wonder you got nothing out of this experience, because in essence she just cheated on you with your blessing. From what I can tell (and have watched first hand), most Cucks are so focused on the fantasy and getting their significant others into doing it, no matter how masterfully they lay the groundwork, they're 99% of the time still dealing with a woman who's wondering just what the fuck is going on. I've known even the most uptight of women to toy and tease with the fun and fantasy of the Hotwife life, but it's one thing to have a fun and flirty fantasy, and another to have a fantasy drain his balls in you, or orgasm on a strange dick, and then have to deal with the emotion of it all. With as many hangups and needs for deep connection as she apparently has, if you do move forward, you guys need to establish what she gets out of this, and what you get out of this, and how that works in real time, as much as possible. (And I say this, because I've met couples where they start out with the "let's get a dick in her, and go from there" plan and 6-12 months later either the relationship is over, or the guy with a soft Cuck fantasy ends up in total denial, caged, and with a wife that has no desire for him anymore.) It also needs to be said that some women just aren't up for it. They might enjoy the fantasy of it, but emotionally the act is too much. And it can have nothing to do with religious hangups or societal norms, some women just can't get their heads/hearts around it. And that has to be OK too.

Anyway - there you go. Another perspective from the other end of this. My best to you both.

Alex

One of the best posts I have ever read on this site.

[TheHammer]

When she is ready for it, you could go to a bar at a place where there wouldn’t be a chance of running into anyone you know and sit separately. She would get the benefit of being flirted with and you would get to watch. Even if nothing happens outside of being talked to, you can take her directly to a hotel after. It would be a good next step and it’s a way to involve you at this point that wouldn’t involve a threesome.

[BallSpanking]

I may be wrong, but somehow, I don't see SW adapting to one-off hookups. And my guess is that if she had to reconsider this as an exercise in sport-fucking, she would bail. Can't say I'd blame her if it just comes down to that.