Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

[slenderfish]

From your description, it sounds like SW herself is attracted to Mr S in spite of his lack of interacting after their hookups. Add to that she has not shut-down the likelihood of anal play, and her grudging acceptance of the likelihood of her giving him what he wants, without him reciprocating, and her eagerness to see him again in spite of the insufficient reciprocity, and also, her reserve in speaking about him open terms that fully describe her feelings about this ... One is left with the impression that she really IS into him, and is reluctant to admit this openly, or even (perhaps) to herself.

It would appear she is willing to shelve the usual expectations she would have from a suitor, and wants him badly enough to become his booty call. This suggests that he fucked her really well, and he got under her skin, for her to put herself out there for him, completely open.

Let's hope Mr S outdoes himself and provides SW with prolonged and attentive fucking sessions that overcome SW's remaining reluctance to being a HW, and changes her expectations of what she needs from a Bull (and not a BF).

Yes, let's hope.

I've been thinking about what you adeptly summarized above and believe there is another explanation that's might've bit me if it were a snake.

She is going forward with this for me.

If that's the case and she's not into him, then I'm both pleased at her effort and commitment, but there are other mixed feelings about it. I'd much rather she be persisting for her own reasons of pleasure, adventure, etc. I'll try to ferret this out over the next few days.

I'm going to share with her the recent developments of sj13 and his wife (noted in his thread) because SW was actively curious about how that was developing. That approach and apparent result is optimal from my perspective.

[afagehi7]

Fish,

It's not just for you. She may say that it's for you but she obviously enjoys it. She's got a thing for Mr S likely from their past and she's enjoying the opportunity to explore it. It's good because he isn't too close and isn't interested in more than some bootay so it's not like he's some suave local bachelor who's going to steal her away.

Speaking of a suave local, I'm still surprised more information hasn't come yet about Mr. B. Obviously there was something in that furnace but it seems we may never know.

[BallSpanking]

I think Afagehi has a point, although your concern over SW doing this for you is valid.
In one of your conversations with SW it would be a good idea to point out that if HW'ing is not something she enjoys 'for herself', you would just as soon she forego the effort. But, my sense is she will grudgingly admit she is enjoying it. After all, what woman does not want to be desired and lusted after?

[solstice]

Slenderfish: She is going forward with this for me.

Would you say that in the past there have been occasions that she has been unenthusiastic in her response to to your wishes, and has done them without complaint just to please you?
I have over the duration of your posts have come to the conclusion that SW rows her on boat in her attitude to fulfilling her own destiny: Although I hope I am wrong.

[slenderfish]

Fish,

It's not just for you. She may say that it's for you but she obviously enjoys it. She's got a thing for Mr S likely from their past and she's enjoying the opportunity to explore it. It's good because he isn't too close and isn't interested in more than some bootay so it's not like he's some suave local bachelor who's going to steal her away.

Speaking of a suave local, I'm still surprised more information hasn't come yet about Mr. B. Obviously there was something in that furnace but it seems we may never know.

I do agree that this is not "just for me" but I also believe that SW is taking that perspective for her own reasons. Perhaps this hearkens back to the self-slut-shaming issue. That would seem most consistent.

Also is probably mixed with a strong dose of self-preservation.

I think this is because Mr. S is not shaping up to be "that guy" after all, she at some level is avoiding overtly claiming to desire him, etc.

But her persistence belies what she is saying and representing.

[slenderfish]

I think Afagehi has a point, although your concern over SW doing this for you is valid.
In one of your conversations with SW it would be a good idea to point out that if HW'ing is not something she enjoys 'for herself', you would just as soon she forego the effort. But, my sense is she will grudgingly admit she is enjoying it. After all, what woman does not want to be desired and lusted after?

Yes, this.

I have started to make the point about if he is not providing what she wants and needs, then she should move on. But she does not.

My reply to Afegehi's post goes deeper into your points.

I would of course prefer she just own up to it. But she has her process.

Ultimately she will do what she wants to do. In this, as in her life.

[slenderfish]

Slenderfish: She is going forward with this for me.

Would you say that in the past there have been occasions that she has been unenthusiastic in her response to to your wishes, and has done them without complaint just to please you?
I have over the duration of your posts have come to the conclusion that SW rows her on boat in her attitude to fulfilling her own destiny: Although I hope I am wrong.

She is basically a self-oriented person. Not very good at getting outside of herself and seeing others' points of view, others' perspectives, empathy, etc. So I agree she is doing this for her own reasons, perhaps she is not yet ready to accept or embrace.

At the same time, let's be clear and honest, that she would not have started down this path if not for my suggestion and request.

We are, I'm sure, in that transition phase where she is still trying to wrap her head around this new lifestyle. I get it, and will be supportive and will provide to her the perspective and observations she is not as able to make by herself, about herself.

This forum and your posts are invaluable in this regard.

[slenderfish]

So on Monday night as I was getting into bed with SW in the normal married-for-many-years way, somehow the conversation came up about Mr. S.

Apparently they have been texting from time to time, picking up last week. I'll observe that this is consistent with my prediction that he will become more active in the lead-up to her visit.

It is clear to me that she brought this up in order to avoid being seen as having kept these a secret. She (as usual) deleted texts to him and from him as she goes, but there remained one on her phone to which she had not yet replied. She described it to me, then showed it to me. Something like the following:

"I can't wait to be laying in bed next to you"

She explained how she was okay with this sex-based texting banter and had joined in with it, but that she still hopes for a connection (any connection) in addition to the sex one. She mentioned that she had sent a couple of non-sext texts ("how was your day" "how is the weather" "been watching some really great stuff on Netflix how about you" etc. without any commensurate reply.

I suggested she have this conversation with him, in person, when they are next together. That she is aware a man gets a rise out of the sexy texting, but that a woman's (this woman's) fire is lit with other connective text banter. She can point out that she is doing it his way, for him, and that he will get a better result if he also does it her way, for her.

So my suggested reply to his latest text is as follows:

1) "I think about you deep inside me and was so turned on I had to grab my vibrator and get myself off"

followed by

2) "Did you have a chance to check out any of the Netflix programs I suggested?

When he (as expected) only replies to #1, that's okay but this sets the foundation for the in-person conversation I noted in the paragraph above.

We then talked about how if this is not going to be what she wants as a hotwife, that she should consider moving on. She at this point will have none of that. She wants to continue with him for now.

I also suggested that she take this as a new experience, as a woman, with a different man who brings a much different set of goodies to the table. If he wants to be more dominant, then this is a chance for her to feel what it's like to be more submissive, etc.

She woke up in the morning much earlier than normal (6:30) on Tuesday morning and was still thinking about the lifestyle, Mr. S., me, etc. and noted a terrible night as far as sleep is concerned. I had a virtual business meeting at 7:00 so she suggested we run out for coffee together, to be back in time for my 7:00. Which worked out.

I freed up around 7:45 and she wanted to have sex. Of course, so did I. I figured that the talk about Mr. S got her riled up and was correct. She took her time, getting me hard with her hand and mouth, and then was ready to fall back into missionary position but stopped herself and mounted me cowgirl style. I asked her if this was how she first mounted Mr. S and she was uncertain (did she forget?) or just didn't care to remember.

She was leaning in to me but after a few minutes I pushed her up to the full riding position and commented about how Mr. S would certainly want her to be up and proud, so that he could see her pretty face, her beautiful breasts and flowing blonde hair, the contrast, etc. Let's remember he's tall dark and handsome.

I mentioned about how it's hot to me that she spends time in advance, getting ready for him and shaving her pussy, etc. She apologized that her pussy is not presently fully shaved but I stopped her, noting that my comment had nothing to do with her present state.

She started to pull off and move to missionary but I asked her to spin around to reverse cowgirl, which she did. As she bounced up and down and rode me, I put each hand on one ass cheek and told her how Mr. S, like me, is an ass man and will love this position, her tight little heart-shaped ass going up and down. Just heaven.

The there was footsteps outside our bedroom door and a knock from her niece. Oops. It was 8:40 a.m. at the time. I'm usually away from the house at that time. SW called out to her to "don't come in right now" and we had a giggle.

We moved to missionary and she was wet but said something about how my hardness slightly diminished while we were changing positions. That Mr. S would not have that happen. Testing this banter. Of course this was really because of the interruption, but I gave chase and said that he certainly will be rock hard from the minute he sees her to when he has her in missionary position. I told her how he fills her up more than I do, how when he's on top and she's on her back he more fully envelops her with his larger and taller body.

I then asked her if she would like to take him deep, and without a condom, to more fully feel his fullness. I asked her to tell me what she wants from him.

She said she wants him to fuck her deep and to take her as his sex toy, a body for his pleasure. I saw this as an opening so I tested the water and said that SW will be a slut for him, will do what he wants. That he will fill her up and go deep, and will come deep inside her, that she will feel him coming inside her and she will be his for the moment.

This got her unusually wet but I was reaching the point of no return. I wanted to hold back and continue with this banter but when I told her how wet she is for Mr. S she said that the wetness I was feeling was not her wetness but the cum in her pussy from Mr. S and that I was doing my proper "reclaim" and that was it for me, I did not hold back.

[BallSpanking]

Judging by your description, SW is increasingly comfortable with the HW concept. I see no mention of her slut-shaming, nor qualms about moving forward with Mr S. It would also appear that her communication about her HW plans and experiences is becoming less self-conscious, more accepting of her role as a HW, becoming his sex toy, and taking him bareback (by inference, him 'filling her up').

I think you are doing and excellent job in guiding and shaping her expectations and dispositions. When you suggest she would enjoy feeling him inside her bareback, going deep, etc., she responds in kind, and compares his hardness with yours at a time when your erection slackened on account of the interruption. It would also appear she is closer to seeing her role with Mr S as being submissive to his desires. I particularly liked that she became very wet at your mention of her being his slut and having him cum inside her. That is definitely fertile ground on which you can elaborate in your upcoming pillow talk with SW.

I don't mean to repeat your description, but her reactions and her thoughts are indicative of a progression from expecting an attentive and sensitive male to make love with, to a handsome Bull whom she is eager to please, even if she is not yet getting all the attention she would normally expect in a loving relationship. That is, she is increasingly objectifying him, and her role, during their hookups, and seems to be perfectly at ease in that growing dynamic.

[afagehi7]

Fish,

Fantastic! She's really getting good with the dirty talk. No way I could have held back after what she said... Nor could any mortal husband.

As for her doing it for herself, I suggest you don't push it. If she wants to offload responsibly on you then "don't look a gift horse in the mouth." Whatever she needs to tell herself is fine.

I'm quite enamored with her saying that he's going to fill her deep and you'll have a proper reclaiming. Damn bro... Steaming hot... The hottest part is that she is totally into it wanting to play a slut. I don't understand why all wives don't want the opportunity to embrace their inner slut. I think part of mine is a self confidence issue stemming from some medical issues. I'm glad to be able to vicariously live through your adventure. I do wish I could see what mr s looks like. How tall dark and handsome is he? If you could compare him to a known celebrity, who would it be? More collin farell or george clooney?

[Aureus]

Since she is getting more comfortable with playing her role as a slit, maybe you could convince her to dress up slutty for Mr S. Something she maybe would usually not consider wearing.

[happystrife]

Perhaps it would be hot to have her act really submissive to you, like a trial run leading up to her next encounter. Some idea might be that she needs to look you in the eyes while blowing you, she should undress you and do all work bc its about her showing compliance to you / Mr S, wash you in the shower, and then you reward her with a good fucking!

Maybe it would also be hot to start talking to her about the idea of her pussy being off limits leading up to her next encounter, saving her pussy for him, and possibly through thanksgiving week in preparation of next encounter?

[Aureus]

Perhaps it would be hot to have her act really submissive to you, like a trial run leading up to her next encounter. Some idea might be that she needs to look you in the eyes while blowing you, she should undress you and do all work bc its about her showing compliance to you / Mr S, wash you in the shower, and then you reward her with a good fucking!

Maybe it would also be hot to start talking to her about the idea of her pussy being off limits leading up to her next encounter, saving her pussy for him, and possibly through thanksgiving week in preparation of next encounter?

Good idea. You could include her anal training in that, so her ass will be ready for Mr S.

[happystrife]

BTW doesn’t mean you’ll actually do those things leading up to the encounter and in-between but the fantasy aspect and role reversal and power shift to her and Mr S could be really good erotica material for u two. like super charging the taboo and naughtiness factor and also like I saw, you’re indirectly (or directly) giving her the green light to take this arrangement whatever direction she wants.

[happystrife]

oh she should also swallow every drop of you and open her mouth and stick her tongue out for inspection after you finish.

[Mark K]

Nice update SF. Incredible actually. It's getting really hot in here...

[afagehi7]

Some great ideas!

I'm thinking role playing where she dresses slutty and lets fish treat her like a sex toy... Perhaps her wearing her jeweled anal plug?

It could be one super hot role play and would also serve for her to be more comfortable with it really happening.. if it does. Think of it as a dress rehearsal!

[slenderfish]

Fish,

Fantastic! She's really getting good with the dirty talk. No way I could have held back after what she said... Nor could any mortal husband.

As for her doing it for herself, I suggest you don't push it. If she wants to offload responsibly on you then "don't look a gift horse in the mouth." Whatever she needs to tell herself is fine.

I'm quite enamored with her saying that he's going to fill her deep and you'll have a proper reclaiming. Damn bro... Steaming hot... The hottest part is that she is totally into it wanting to play a slut. I don't understand why all wives don't want the opportunity to embrace their inner slut. I think part of mine is a self confidence issue stemming from some medical issues. I'm glad to be able to vicariously live through your adventure. I do wish I could see what mr s looks like. How tall dark and handsome is he? If you could compare him to a known celebrity, who would it be? More collin farell or george clooney?

In my opinion Mr. S is a 6'3" version of this look (remove the dual spaces in each of the blanks).

http:// benham.s3. amazonaws. com/p/xl/ UFP9144. jpg

He is also lean and in good shape (not overly muscular) as a tall guy. Is not Italian.

[slenderfish]

Perhaps it would be hot to have her act really submissive to you, like a trial run leading up to her next encounter. Some idea might be that she needs to look you in the eyes while blowing you, she should undress you and do all work bc its about her showing compliance to you / Mr S, wash you in the shower, and then you reward her with a good fucking!

Maybe it would also be hot to start talking to her about the idea of her pussy being off limits leading up to her next encounter, saving her pussy for him, and possibly through thanksgiving week in preparation of next encounter?

Good idea. You could include her anal training in that, so her ass will be ready for Mr S.

Jeweled anal plug set (three sizes) arriving tomorrow. Pink jewel, which is her color. I'll look for a time to reveal these to her, and to begin the practice/training.

[afagehi7]

Fish,

Fantastic! She's really getting good with the dirty talk. No way I could have held back after what she said... Nor could any mortal husband.

As for her doing it for herself, I suggest you don't push it. If she wants to offload responsibly on you then "don't look a gift horse in the mouth." Whatever she needs to tell herself is fine.

I'm quite enamored with her saying that he's going to fill her deep and you'll have a proper reclaiming. Damn bro... Steaming hot... The hottest part is that she is totally into it wanting to play a slut. I don't understand why all wives don't want the opportunity to embrace their inner slut. I think part of mine is a self confidence issue stemming from some medical issues. I'm glad to be able to vicariously live through your adventure. I do wish I could see what mr s looks like. How tall dark and handsome is he? If you could compare him to a known celebrity, who would it be? More collin farell or george clooney?

In my opinion Mr. S is a 6'3" version of this look (remove the dual spaces in each of the blanks).

http:// benham.s3. amazonaws. com/p/xl/ UFP9144. jpg

He is also lean and in good shape (not overly muscular) as a tall guy. Is not Italian.

That's joe pantiolano from the sopranos. Was this a typo? He's not known as a good looking guy?

Hopefully you're joking because even I'm better looking than joe.

[Aureus]

Perhaps it would be hot to have her act really submissive to you, like a trial run leading up to her next encounter. Some idea might be that she needs to look you in the eyes while blowing you, she should undress you and do all work bc its about her showing compliance to you / Mr S, wash you in the shower, and then you reward her with a good fucking!

Maybe it would also be hot to start talking to her about the idea of her pussy being off limits leading up to her next encounter, saving her pussy for him, and possibly through thanksgiving week in preparation of next encounter?

Good idea. You could include her anal training in that, so her ass will be ready for Mr S.

Jeweled anal plug set (three sizes) arriving tomorrow. Pink jewel, which is her color. I'll look for a time to reveal these to her, and to begin the practice/training.

Nice. Can you show a picture/link what you got her? Don't overthink it. I'd rather do it like: Honey I've bought sth. very naughty.

[slenderfish]

Fish,

Fantastic! She's really getting good with the dirty talk. No way I could have held back after what she said... Nor could any mortal husband.

As for her doing it for herself, I suggest you don't push it. If she wants to offload responsibly on you then "don't look a gift horse in the mouth." Whatever she needs to tell herself is fine.

I'm quite enamored with her saying that he's going to fill her deep and you'll have a proper reclaiming. Damn bro... Steaming hot... The hottest part is that she is totally into it wanting to play a slut. I don't understand why all wives don't want the opportunity to embrace their inner slut. I think part of mine is a self confidence issue stemming from some medical issues. I'm glad to be able to vicariously live through your adventure. I do wish I could see what mr s looks like. How tall dark and handsome is he? If you could compare him to a known celebrity, who would it be? More collin farell or george clooney?

In my opinion Mr. S is a 6'3" version of this look (remove the dual spaces in each of the blanks).

http:// benham.s3. amazonaws. com/p/xl/ UFP9144. jpg

He is also lean and in good shape (not overly muscular) as a tall guy. Is not Italian.

That's joe pantiolano from the sopranos. Was this a typo? He's not known as a good looking guy?

Hopefully you're joking because even I'm better looking than joe.

Joe was more handsome when he was younger. I'm not really that good at this kind of thing.

Mr. S has the same kind of look (eyes, face shape, etc.) but is definitely more handsome and hunky. Just put this younger version of face from the image on a taller more hunky body. College athlete (indoor volleyball player, Division A on full scholarship), was 6'4" back in those days.

[slenderfish]

BTW I still get George Clooney from people who meet me for the first time. But I'm taller and more hunky than even him, and I'm not "tall" per se.

[slenderfish]

I have an update from a blockbuster development (in my humble opinion) that I came home to last night.

Will elaborate today when I have sufficient time to write it up!

[solstice]

This sounds like a new departure, waiting with bated breath, and I love all those photos you post of a woman brimming with Joie de vivre.