Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

[slenderfish]

I'm presently sitting at the airport lounge readying to board the flight home. I'll arrive after she's asleep.

She did have her regular training session with Mr. G today. I wonder if I might be able to discover what she wore today, giving that I wasn't there to see her on the way out or on the way home. Perhaps her outfit will be on top of her clothes hamper.

Can't you review the video from your home security cameras?

I think you are referring to my seeing what she was wearing, not the training session (which takes place at his gym location in a small retail center about 15 min up the road from our home). Probably not necessary, at this point. Read on.

When I arrived home late last night, the house was asleep. Niece has a college girlfriend visiting until early next week.

I puttered around looking for something to eat, and also cleared out my travel bag of clothes that need washing. I opened the door to the laundry room and was treated to a nice surprise; several sets of "soiled" leggings in the top part of the hamper, waiting to be washed. More than would have been worn during my three-day, two-night ski trip. I just "had" to examine them and there was a wide variety of "soiledness" among them.

SW'ss underwear is generally quite clean and dry, never messy except during certain times. Indeed, some of the leggings had the usual look, some looked like they were worn a bit too long during the day.

But there was one pair that had a serious white chalky substance, and another with a shiny crusty white substance. The latter one looked just like the one that I found in Pinky's dirty clothes upon her return from the Thanksgiving weekend shenanigans. I posted that one here viewtopic.php?f=9&t=59393&start=775.

Apparently Pinky's soiled crotch is much different from SW's soiled crotch. If you follow the distinction I'm making here.

Hmmmm.

What to do, what to say? I think nothing, just more to add to the mental observation file for now. Hoping she will be open to a hotwife conversation within the next day or so. It is within these such conversations that she generally brings up whatever Pinky has been doing of late.

I also am certain she has sent and received a text or texts from Mr. S regarding her doing a hometown visit in February, much earlier than her normal and planned May visit. I figure if she is planning to share the texts with me, she'll do it within the next day or so. I mean, I got home very late last night and haven't really even seen or spoken with her yet today. If she is not planning on sharing them with me, then I will know within the next day or so.

More on all that, separately.

Thoughts/musings: Is she wittingly or unwittingly trying to push me into cuckold territory? Is she just outright cheating? Is this all just in my head?

She is a hotwife and apparently is developing her style.

She is in any case certainly a handful.

[superb101]

You could always find a lab and have them do a test of the "DNA" in her leggings just to see if it semen or not if she doesn't offer up any info voluntarily. You need to check the security camera video, too, just to see the comings and goings.

[JeffBingham]

Yes, I was referring to the security video to see what she wore to the training session(s). You could still use that video to confirm that she wore the soiled pants to her training session based on what she wore when she left and then returned from training (time stamps on the video aligning with the known time of the session). I'm not sure if you want to go this route, but there is a substance that you can apply to clothing to determine if there is semen present. I can't remember the brand name, but it is commercially available. You could take the pants in question and hide them for a day or two until you can get the test done. I have no idea if you want to bother with all that, but given that she struggles with full disclosure, it's an option.

[slenderfish]

Gonna give her the hotwife benefit of the doubt here, that she will share it all within a reasonable amount of time.

If she is fucking her trainer, then it will no doubt continue, and I'll have ample opportunity for sleuthing if it becomes germane.

[JeffBingham]

Gonna give her the hotwife benefit of the doubt here, that she will share it all within a reasonable amount of time.

If she is fucking her trainer, then it will no doubt continue, and I'll have ample opportunity for sleuthing if it becomes germane.

Totally understand. Going full on CSI mode at this point feels a little sketchy. But you should at least know your options if her secrecy persists.

[2inUPMichigan]

I'm presently sitting at the airport lounge readying to board the flight home. I'll arrive after she's asleep.

She did have her regular training session with Mr. G today. I wonder if I might be able to discover what she wore today, giving that I wasn't there to see her on the way out or on the way home. Perhaps her outfit will be on top of her clothes hamper.

Can't you review the video from your home security cameras?

I think you are referring to my seeing what she was wearing, not the training session (which takes place at his gym location in a small retail center about 15 min up the road from our home). Probably not necessary, at this point. Read on.

When I arrived home late last night, the house was asleep. Niece has a college girlfriend visiting until early next week.

I puttered around looking for something to eat, and also cleared out my travel bag of clothes that need washing. I opened the door to the laundry room and was treated to a nice surprise; several sets of "soiled" leggings in the top part of the hamper, waiting to be washed. More than would have been worn during my three-day, two-night ski trip. I just "had" to examine them and there was a wide variety of "soiledness" among them.

SW'ss underwear is generally quite clean and dry, never messy except during certain times. Indeed, some of the leggings had the usual look, some looked like they were worn a bit too long during the day.

But there was one pair that had a serious white chalky substance, and another with a shiny crusty white substance. The latter one looked just like the one that I found in Pinky's dirty clothes upon her return from the Thanksgiving weekend shenanigans. I posted that one here viewtopic.php?f=9&t=59393&start=775.

Apparently Pinky's soiled crotch is much different from SW's soiled crotch. If you follow the distinction I'm making here.

Hmmmm.

What to do, what to say? I think nothing, just more to add to the mental observation file for now. Hoping she will be open to a hotwife conversation within the next day or so. It is within these such conversations that she generally brings up whatever Pinky has been doing of late.

I also am certain she has sent and received a text or texts from Mr. S regarding her doing a hometown visit in February, much earlier than her normal and planned May visit. I figure if she is planning to share the texts with me, she'll do it within the next day or so. I mean, I got home very late last night and haven't really even seen or spoken with her yet today. If she is not planning on sharing them with me, then I will know within the next day or so.

More on all that, separately.

Thoughts/musings: Is she wittingly or unwittingly trying to push me into cuckold territory? Is she just outright cheating? Is this all just in my head?

She is a hotwife and apparently is developing her style.

She is in any case certainly a handful.

If you want her to be open and honest then you need to be too.

Are you going to tell her that you have been "inspecting" her underwear?

Holy crap! (I just read the part about you posting a pic of her soiled underwear without her knowledge)

I would consider it an invasion of my privacy if a picture of my panties was posted online for anyone to see. How devastating to not be able to trust my husband.

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Communication is about expressing yourself clearly and listening to what the other person is saying it is about working together to find solutions that work.

If the two of you work together instead of working against each other you might find out you could both have what you want.

[afagehi7]

I'm presently sitting at the airport lounge readying to board the flight home. I'll arrive after she's asleep.

She did have her regular training session with Mr. G today. I wonder if I might be able to discover what she wore today, giving that I wasn't there to see her on the way out or on the way home. Perhaps her outfit will be on top of her clothes hamper.

Can't you review the video from your home security cameras?

I think you are referring to my seeing what she was wearing, not the training session (which takes place at his gym location in a small retail center about 15 min up the road from our home). Probably not necessary, at this point. Read on.

When I arrived home late last night, the house was asleep. Niece has a college girlfriend visiting until early next week.

I puttered around looking for something to eat, and also cleared out my travel bag of clothes that need washing. I opened the door to the laundry room and was treated to a nice surprise; several sets of "soiled" leggings in the top part of the hamper, waiting to be washed. More than would have been worn during my three-day, two-night ski trip. I just "had" to examine them and there was a wide variety of "soiledness" among them.

SW'ss underwear is generally quite clean and dry, never messy except during certain times. Indeed, some of the leggings had the usual look, some looked like they were worn a bit too long during the day.

But there was one pair that had a serious white chalky substance, and another with a shiny crusty white substance. The latter one looked just like the one that I found in Pinky's dirty clothes upon her return from the Thanksgiving weekend shenanigans. I posted that one here viewtopic.php?f=9&t=59393&start=775.

Apparently Pinky's soiled crotch is much different from SW's soiled crotch. If you follow the distinction I'm making here.

Hmmmm.

What to do, what to say? I think nothing, just more to add to the mental observation file for now. Hoping she will be open to a hotwife conversation within the next day or so. It is within these such conversations that she generally brings up whatever Pinky has been doing of late.

I also am certain she has sent and received a text or texts from Mr. S regarding her doing a hometown visit in February, much earlier than her normal and planned May visit. I figure if she is planning to share the texts with me, she'll do it within the next day or so. I mean, I got home very late last night and haven't really even seen or spoken with her yet today. If she is not planning on sharing them with me, then I will know within the next day or so.

More on all that, separately.

Thoughts/musings: Is she wittingly or unwittingly trying to push me into cuckold territory? Is she just outright cheating? Is this all just in my head?

She is a hotwife and apparently is developing her style.

She is in any case certainly a handful.

Fish, was it certainly cum or maybe she was just really wet? I think you can get an otc semen test. I would if you suspect semen. It might become "germane" if you determine she is cheating and never tells you. Trust but verify my friend. No harm if she tells you but if it's semen and she doesn't tell you for a month then you know she's cheating.

If it's semen and she doesn't tell you then many of your questions are answered. I'd stash them away and test them ASAP.

[Triggershy]

I’m a huge fan of you Mr. Fish. My heart hurts for you. You’ve given so many $50 bills and have only gotten a few nickels.

Hang in there the best you can we’re all rooting for your happiness.

[BallSpanking]

If she is fucking her trainer, then it will no doubt continue, and I'll have ample opportunity for sleuthing if it becomes germane.

Absolutely right.
SW's panties may be dry but Pinky's panties may have a secretion other than semen. It is all circumstantial, but the fact these were her underclothes from the day you came back unexpectedly, does give some food for thought.

Since it is not known for certain that SW is having a dalliance with her trainer, I'll reserve judgment. In a way, I really hope that she is, except she would have to be much more forthcoming of it with Mr SF.

[anonymister1948]

This has been painful to read.

[Farmgirl]

Yes, this is painful to read. There are grown men encouraging the husband to sneak and snoop around rather than to talk and communicate with each other. And, the husband is sneaking and snooping rather than sitting down and talking to his wife.
Gosh, we could be back in high school in the lunchroom.

You all think she's being secretive, and yet you encourage him to snoop. And posting pics of her dirty panties, Really.

[BigHotMess]

Exactly. You need to slow the fuck down. Hit pause. Figure shit out. Your marriage is in no place to do any of the things that you are talking about. When I say marriage I mean both you and her. You’re not even kind of in the middle and both of you have personal shit to sort out before even trying to compromise on anything other than marital stability.

I don’t fault SF for sharing, it’s admirable. But this might not be the best place to align his internal compass to.

[BallSpanking]

Frankly, I do not share some of the posters' concerns.

Whatever it is that SF does in the privacy of his home, if he has concerns as to his wife's activities, and he knows a frontal confrontation is NOT productive ... I completely understand his going through undergarments (far from unheard of) if he has a suspicion she has seen someone else.

Note, that even after finding potentially suspicious evidence, SF is playing this close to the vest so to not cause unnecessary friction or a blow-up.
This may or may not be the way you would handle yourself, but until SF has more solid grounds to have suspicion, he has done the correct thing, and has still not confronted SW.

I find no fault in what SF is doing, and I don't feel I am in a position to tell him he is doing something wrong.

[Farmgirl]

Frankly, I do not share some of the posters' concerns.

Whatever it is that SF does in the privacy of his home, if he has concerns as to his wife's activities, and he knows a frontal confrontation is NOT productive ... I completely understand his going through undergarments (far from unheard of) if he has a suspicion she has seen someone else.

Note, that even after finding potentially suspicious evidence, SF is playing this close to the vest so to not cause unnecessary friction or a blow-up.
This may or may not be the way you would handle yourself, but until SF has more solid grounds to have suspicion, he has done the correct thing, and has still not confronted SW.

I find no fault in what SF is doing, and I don't feel I am in a position to tell him he is doing something wrong.

Of course, he shouldn't "confront" her, he should talk to her. It's just easier to have the mindset to snoop around rather than discuss things like an adult, and easier to act like teenage boys to encourage it.

[BallSpanking]

Of course, he shouldn't "confront" her, he should talk to her. It's just easier to have the mindset to snoop around rather than discuss things like an adult, and easier to act like teenage boys to encourage it.

And I think that is the point. So far, SF has been very circumspect and sober in his assessments and how he proceeds.
He has not acted in a way that violates his wife's privacy, and is simply trying to, either establish some facts, or allay his concerns, before bringing it up to her (if it merits that).

[Rockhard70]

I think he has been the one trying to keep the communication open and real, it seems SW does for a while but then falls back to behavior that is extremely sketchy and not forthcoming at all. The failures to disclose texts, erasure of texts, calls and full details or white lies he’s caught her in concerning dates definitely shows deception and willful withholding of the truth. It is not in your head, if you feel it in your heart and believe all the things you’ve discovered then there’s probably something to it.

You’ve already tried speaking with her, with limited success, so I think some sleuthing is in order to verify one way or the other wether your instincts play true or not. I don’t know about testing Panties etc. lol but it appears you’re going to need to step up your detective game to get the answers you’re entitled too that’s she seems to be keeping to herself. I hate to advocate outright spying and intrusion but it looks like it might be an Avenue to consider if she isn’t capable of an honest conversation.

Again, my opinion, for what it’s worth, is that she wants a relationship separate from your marriage and hotwifing and is using the hotwifing to facilitate that to your detriment. I hope I’m wrong but looks very suspect from here. Good luck and keep us posted.

[slenderfish]

I said above that I'll give Pinky the benefit of the doubt and trust her to share with me if she is doing anything with her trainer.

We had some good conversations today about Mr. S and her recent communications with him. She was essentially forthcoming about recent text messages with him. That is, she didn't tell me she had texted him to ask if it works for him for her to be in his area in late February. But she did, in the course of our conversation, offer that she had received a text from him yesterday. She was a bit coy about how his text message suddenly appeared after weeks of radio silence, and she then told me what it said. I didn't push her to see it with my eyes but at some point she did insist on showing it to me before deleting it. But she forgot that his message was clearly replying to her message, which she had deleted. I asked her about that and her agreement not to delete texts until she shared them, and she said it was only with respect to messages received, not messages sent. Hmmm, bit of a dance on that one. No harm, and I did clarify that the conversation is what's interesting to me.

I asked her if there was any other hotwife-related activities, and she said there are none.

So we move forward with mutual trust.

I remind myself and we reminded each other that this is all new and we are learning as we go along, in so many ways.

[Parsifal]

I asked her about that and her agreement not to delete texts until she shared them, and she said it was only with respect to messages received, not messages sent. Hmmm, bit of a dance on that one.

Yep, she's a dancer, all right.

[Farmgirl]

I said above that I'll give Pinky the benefit of the doubt and trust her to share with me if she is doing anything with her trainer.

We had some good conversations today about Mr. S and her recent communications with him. She was essentially forthcoming about recent text messages with him. That is, she didn't tell me she had texted him to ask if it works for him for her to be in his area in late February. But she did, in the course of our conversation, offer that she had received a text from him yesterday. She was a bit coy about how his text message suddenly appeared after weeks of radio silence, and she then told me what it said. I didn't push her to see it with my eyes but at some point she did insist on showing it to me before deleting it. But she forgot that his message was clearly replying to her message, which she had deleted. I asked her about that and her agreement not to delete texts until she shared them, and she said it was only with respect to messages received, not messages sent. Hmmm, bit of a dance on that one. No harm, and I did clarify that the conversation is what's interesting to me.

I asked her if there was any other hotwife-related activities, and she said there are none.

So we move forward with mutual trust.

I remind myself and we reminded each other that this is all new and we are learning as we go along, in so many ways.

Really glad you two had a good conversation, keep that up and things will get better.
At this point, don't worry too much about her 'dancing around'. Talk to her about it, but for sure not in an accusatory manner. You're both new at this and it takes time to learn the ropes and to get your feet firmly on the ground. It takes learning to trust each other, to stop dancing, to stop snooping, etc.
As a new hotwife, I did my share of dancing and withholding info, and my Number1 did his share of snooping. All it did was hurt us, then we grew up and began to trust each other, life became great!
Rember, it's not about trying to catch each other, it's about growing together.

[slenderfish]

Rember, it's not about trying to catch each other, it's about growing together.

Thanks for this!

[slenderfish]

Over the weekend we did have more conversations. She apparently does want to go see her mother in late February. We had a discussion that turned into a bit of a disagreement, as follows; the ending was positive so don't fret.

You may remember that in early December as she came back from the Thanksgiving holiday an capping it off with two dates with Mr. S on Sat and Sun, she came back home glowing and making references to his coming out in late January "for their birthday" which they happen to share on a day in early February. She also was talking about someday traveling to his beach house to visit him one day, on another continent.

She was happy about the above for many reasons, including that she previously assumed and expressed to me that she figured she would not see Mr. S again until May, when she typically next travels to visit her mother for Mother's Day. She avoids that part of the country after November because she detests the cold weather. This pattern has been established and practiced by her/us for many years now.

So she kept in touch with Mr. S from time to time and waited for him to make travel plans. He sent appropriate text messages on Christmas and New Year's Day, but really nothing else. As January progressed, she prompted him again for his travel plan and he did express an intention to travel to our area, but it never went beyond the intention stage for many reasons, including that Pinky had asked me to leave town while he is around, and I would not do so. Also because of the Covid-19 situation. So she gave up on that plan.

She also said that she will not celebrate her birthday until after the Covid-19 matter has diminished sufficient to host a proper party, and that I should not attempt to plan anything.

About a week ago, she said that she is getting stir crazy and wants to go see her girlfriends and mother in her home town, in late February. She correctly anticipated that I would raise my eyebrows about this unusual change in pattern, and beat me to the question by saying that her proposed trip has nothing to do with Mr. S, and that she hadn't heard from him at all, and perhaps he's just dropped out of her life.

I said that I have to believe Mr. S is part of the calculus and that she shouldn't feel like she has to downplay it. She denied and I just shrugged my shoulders, and said it's unfortunate for her and, by extension, for me if she doesn't care to see Mr. S.

After a week or so following this initial conversation, she said that she does want to do a bit of a birthday party after all, and we got that started. It'll be on Feb 6 with many of our usual friends, but a smaller version of prior efforts. Also noted that her girlfriend Ms. A from her hometown will be traveling out to attend. And Ms. M who had moved to another state will come in for the shindig.

I wasn't sure whether her change of face regarding her birthday would then change her desire to travel to the frigid hometown area. I mean, the stated purpose of her trip was to visit he mother and her girlfriends, and that Mr. S was not even in the conversation or a consideration.

I went away for a quick ski weekend a couple of weeks ago, and when I returned she said she wants to proceed on the proposed trip for late February.
She didn't say anything about being in touch with Mr. S and I let is lay quiet until she might give me an update. I subsequently found an onramp for a "reminder" discussion about her commitment to share any texts with him, and she then owned up that they had traded texts regarding her traveling to her hometown, which of course is close to where he lives.

She continued to downplay his role as motivation for her travel plans. I quietly assured her she doesn't need to downplay for my sake, and that the downplay is actually counter to what the whole Hotwife thing is trying to achieve. She continued to resist sharing texts, feelings, thoughts, plans.

This is where we were as of late last week, when I did another ski trip, this time to the Rocky Mountains.

While I was away, she did contact Mr. S and also Mr. M. She called each of them, and called Mr. M twice. Also texts. But she didn't volunteer any of it.

So after I returned, and because I know her so well by now, I told her of my dismay that she must be communicating but is not sharing it. I reminded her that I am not wanting this sharing out of "jealousy" but rather because it's a definite boost for the hotwife husband, and also that we keep tiptoeing along the line between hotwifing and "boyfriend/cheating with permission" and that secret communications, secret feelings, etc. fall on the side of the cheating version. I reiterated that I don't want to be that guy who encouraged the hotwifing and then gets shut out.

She then owned up to having received a text from him, by coincidence, just the prior afternoon. She described it to me and asked if I was satisfied. I said that I do appreciate her sharing with me, and asked when she was planning to do so? Or did she just share it now because I brought up the subject? And how am I supposed to know if there are other texts and communications, especially because it's clear to me that she is continually resisting sharing, so of course this energy makes me wonder why and if there is other stuff she is hiding. She then insisted I read the text with my own eyes, and pushed her mobile in front of me. The text clearly acknowledged that it was reply to a prior text she had sent. I asked her to scroll up for the prior text, but she had deleted it. She kind of painted herself into a corner, which wasn't really my intention, but there we were.

She reacted very defensively, and we then had stronger words, etc. I stood my ground, and basically said that if she wants to proceed with my staying completely out of the conversation, it'll then be her having a boyfriend for her own sake. And I'll then have to decide how to proceed with the marriage, but that I didn't see it working out over the long run.

It was tense all that day, but by the evening the pressure came to a point of climax and she said (very briefly) something about that "You [slenderfish] don't even know and wouldn't be able to handle it" but then that fleeting notion was suddenly gone. I think it was a glimpse into how she really feels but has not permitted herself to express, perhaps she is still coming to grips with it herself.

She then became more solicitous and we both apologized, and she recommitted to share texts, etc. without deleting.

We had some "make-up sex" and I was standing behind her, with her bent over the bed, inside of her. She told me, in the heat of the moment, and in a very sultry and powerful Pinky voice, that she will travel in late February, see Mr. S and give her asshole to his big cock, and that it'll be his to use as much and as often as he likes. That she will return home very sore back there and I won't be allowed to touch it, and it will from that time forward be only his for as long as they continue. I told her that would be hot but how would I know for sure unless she captures the moment in a picture or video? She didn't know if she could make that happen, that she wouldn't even know how to request it. I suggested that she tell Mr. S that she wants a pic or video of his cock penetrating her heart-shaped ass on her mobile so that she may look at it and pleasure herself during the long weeks in between seeing him. I said that he would probably love that concept and would almost certainly ask her for the same, for his pleasure purposes.

She then got super wet and fully engaged, and we both climaxed. We then laid in each others' arms, spent from the physical and emotional efforts.

Roller coaster. Yep.

[Parsifal]

It's addictive, isn't it? For her too, obviously.

[CuriousOne36]

It sounds like her desire to move into the cuckold realm is obvious now.

[afagehi7]

Fish - way to stand your ground! I'm proud that you didn't give in to the cucky side.

I wonder if her offer to give him her ass is genuine or dirty talk. If genuine then I wonder if her denying it to you is also genuine. I admit that it's really hot and the kind of denial play that helps to build the hotwife adventure without being cucky. Even the teasing that it's going to be his is really hot. I imagine you doing her doggy with a finger in her ass whilst she reminds you she's saving her ass him.

I suggest you continue your diligence and keeping a very close eye on texts and conversations with her FBs. My take is she may not disclose but if you push it and already kind of know she will. Eventually she may disclose without the nudge as she's more comfortable that you support it.

What does she mean by you can't handle it?

So she'll definitely see Mr S if he's available... How about Mr M? It would be kind of hot to be there unbeknownst to mr s and waiting in the hotel bar for the green light text to return to the room. Maybe even catch a glimpse of Mr S/M as they exit the lobby.

[superb101]

How long were her conversations with Mr. M?

No mention of the trainer, I take it?