Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

[solstice]

Slenderfish writes: The business dealings are going swimmingly.

I would never suggest that the lure of Pinky would be a weapon to gain a business deal, but her sparkling personality must help oil the wheels.

[solstice]

hisKelly writes: buy her one of those $$$ tread mills.

SW not having a professional grade treadmill, may bring her closer to doing the dirty deed with her trainer.

[solstice]

Slenderfish writes: I could certainly have a conversation with him at any time and just ask him. But I'm letting the business stuff play out first, and observing in the meantime.

Some Guys, even the nice ones, would get a kick out of diddling your beautiful wife behind your back, but would most likely deny, with an innocent look on their face.

[afagehi7]

Fish - hold the line. Trust but verify. Don't tip the apple cart yet.

[slenderfish]

"If she did, then she's just covering to protect whatever she believes is being protected"

I believe when you figure this out, all will be down hill from there.

Again, Those Lie'n Eyes are givin her away.

As far as the trainer goes, why don't you offer to buy her one of those $$$ tread mills. There are plenty of reason's why she should not venture out. This would give you an idea of just how important this trainer is to her.

I don't have to test this theory again. Have done it a few times, most recently when I put the monthly limit on my credit card (I gave her one that charges directly to my account, that has no real limit). She was spending way too much and just would not curb herself despite repeated promises to do so. She was very upset after I did that, and when she kept complaining, I said I'd just cancel the whole thing. That caused her to go (her version of) berserk because Mr. G's periodic fee is charged to that card. She quickly stopped complaining.

[slenderfish]

While on the subject of Mr. G a few notes:

- I make it a practice to get a look at SW before and after her training sessions, to see how she dresses herself etc. Subtly.

- When she reminds me of her schedule "I gotta get going this morning as I have Mr. G today" I usually reply with "no, he has you today"

- When she notes to the mirror that her ass is getting less tight, I say that "she needs Mr. G to take better care of that ass"

- When she says her muscles are too tight, etc. say after a bike ride, I remind her to ask Mr. G to do the hands-on stretching of her big leg muscles

[Tryn]

Could it be with Mrs. SW discovering her inner Pinky that she’s viewing Mr. G in a new way? Her talk about a BBC cumming inside her a private reference to him? Her not divulging this new perspective of him as her way of protecting herself from these new emotions that she finds conflicting? If I were in your shoes, I’d be focusing on how to escalate things with Mr. G or an acquaintance of his. She may be wrestling with the fact he’s married, or local (easier for friends to find out), or struggling with how to get past the years long friend zone. Just my 2 cents.

[afagehi7]

I guess you're gunna have to explain to my simple female brain why in God's name you can't just ask her if she's fucking Mr. G.
Is it you don't really want to know? Or.....
In reality your wife wears the pants in your house and your afraid to ask so you don't upset her.
Again help me to understand.

He has.

[slenderfish]

I guess you're gunna have to explain to my simple female brain why in God's name you can't just ask her if she's fucking Mr. G.
Is it you don't really want to know? Or.....
In reality your wife wears the pants in your house and your afraid to ask so you don't upset her.
Again help me to understand.

SW is kind of like a kitten in so many respects, especially with new concepts and activities/actions. She is a true "why" person, whereas I'm a true "why not" person.

As such, she is super resistant to change and anything out of the ordinary.

You can't just walk up to a timid and fearful kitten that is hiding under a bench, and expect it to jump into your arms. You (I) know the kitten has its innate curiosity, but its first inclination on anything is to flee. If you scare the kitten, it'll see you as something feared on the next encounter, and will naturally flee. If you are more nonchalant, ignoring the kitten, or if you make no furtive move, and then walk away, then the next encounter begins without fear. And so it goes. And if you get too aggressive and spook the kitten, it will run away and you will pretty much have to start from scratch (pun intended).

SW resists new sex positions, new ideas, new friends, etc. as a matter of first inclination. Just her nature.

How many years did it take to get her to warm up, finally on what she considers to be her terms, to trying out any hotwife activities?

I'd pestered her for years prior about my "ultimate fantasy" of the black lover. She is in the habit of rejecting and running away from this. I stopped mentioning it, stopped the porn videos of it, etc. a few years ago at her request, as she had reached the end of her patience.

But she has finally, over the past couple of years, started played along with it from time to time. I've been enjoying this thawing of the concept, and will continue to enjoy it even if it's not happening (yet). Why ruin a good thing that appears to be progressing?

My point here is if I take it straight at her, and even if she has been mentally adjusting to the concept and subconsciously moving closer to it, she will almost certainly reject and discard it, retreating to her original position of "never, no way, no how" or similar.

[slenderfish]

Could it be with Mrs. SW discovering her inner Pinky that she’s viewing Mr. G in a new way? Her talk about a BBC cumming inside her a private reference to him? Her not divulging this new perspective of him as her way of protecting herself from these new emotions that she finds conflicting? If I were in your shoes, I’d be focusing on how to escalate things with Mr. G or an acquaintance of his. She may be wrestling with the fact he’s married, or local (easier for friends to find out), or struggling with how to get past the years long friend zone. Just my 2 cents.

Yes, I'm on this approach. Thanks for reminding me, makes me think of something.

Mr. G does have a guy, his younger cousin (or nephew?), who is a brick house, a retired USMC veteran, a very sweet guy, and whom I suggested to SW as an alternative to Mr. G in the years when I was kind of pushing this fantasy scenario. He would always stick to SW like a bee on honey when he was at Mr. G's training place, helping to get it all set up. Back then, SW rejected this guy out of hand. Now that she's a genuine hotwife, perhaps there is an angle to re-introduce him as a possibility?

[BallSpanking]

I am wondering if your current speculation, positive though it is, is based on anything more than wishful thinking?
I am mindful of your observations as to her workouts, but, has SW given any signs (overtly) of something going on with her trainer? Or even having a desire for that to happen?

[slenderfish]

BallSpanking:
I am mindful of your observations as to her workouts, but, has SW given any signs (overtly) of something going on with her trainer? Or even having a desire for that to happen?
Fish said:
"I don't have to test this theory again. Have done it a few times, most recently when I put the monthly limit on my credit card (I gave her one that charges directly to my account, that has no real limit). She was spending way too much and just would not curb herself despite repeated promises to do so. She was very upset after I did that, and when she kept complaining, I said I'd just cancel the whole thing. That caused her to go (her version of) berserk because Mr. G's periodic fee is charged to that card. She quickly stopped complaining."
The question isn't whether or not she has a serious attraction to Mr.G. She does and he for her. Mr.G. showed up to her party, unannounced and uninvited (unless she invited him and didn't tell Fish.
The question is whether or not she is fucking him.

She is committed to her training regimen and is really into this trainer. I believe she is (finally) at some level flirting with the attraction. She will not admit it to herself at this point, and if I push the matter, I'm sure it'll backfire.

As for BallSpanking's question, she has not done anything overt that would constitute a foundation for asking.

He didn't show up at her party, just stopped by "out of the blue" to show off his chopper-style motorcycle, just before Christmas. It was "out of the blue" to me but apparently he and SW had discussed his possibly swinging by but didn't tell me. She forgot about it because she was in the shower when he arrived.

So I'm enjoying the concept and will let it play out.

[slenderfish]

As I noted recently, SW is all set for her next trip back to her hometown area, this upcoming Tuesday.

I was wondering if she had any more contact with Mr. S but was waiting to see if she would mention it or not, or if there was nothing. So I asked her tonight. I merely inquired if there was any Valentine's Day acknowledgement and there was none.

Apparently she's been waiting for him to outreach, and her conversation about his being sent to the friend zone is based on her self-protection regarding his lack of attention. We've seen this movie before.

I noted to her that he may not even know her plans, in that it was floated to him as a concept over a month ago but I think she never let him know that the plans are solidified, flights, hotel (as he'd suggested) etc. That he activates during the week leading up, and as of tomorrow it's a week away.

I suggested she might send him a "belated" Valentine's wish, kind of a note that she did her Valentine's Day with her crew and he of course with his people, that she waited for a day or so until the coast was clear to reach out.

She said she will likely do exactly this, tomorrow.

[afagehi7]

As I noted recently, SW is all set for her next trip back to her hometown area, this upcoming Tuesday.

I was wondering if she had any more contact with Mr. S but was waiting to see if she would mention it or not, or if there was nothing. So I asked her tonight. I merely inquired if there was any Valentine's Day acknowledgement and there was none.

Apparently she's been waiting for him to outreach, and her conversation about his being sent to the friend zone is based on her self-protection regarding his lack of attention. We've seen this movie before.

I noted to her that he may not even know her plans, in that it was floated to him as a concept over a month ago but I think she never let him know that the plans are solidified, flights, hotel (as he'd suggested) etc. That he activates during the week leading up, and as of tomorrow it's a week away.

I suggested she might send him a "belated" Valentine's wish, kind of a note that she did her Valentine's Day with her crew and he of course with his people, that she waited for a day or so until the coast was clear to reach out.

She said she will likely do exactly this, tomorrow.

I agree. He may have no idea her plans are booked. Once he knows she'll be there, I suspect he'll turn on the charm last minute.

Nothing from the other guy Mr M (?)? Does she have the contact info of the try on jeans guy?

[slenderfish]

She is disgusted with Mr. M in that he apparently can't handle having a woman who is a friend. Or, to be more accurate, he can't see how he can have a woman friend while he has a true girlfriend. What if she finds out? What if someone sees Mr. M with SW? Oh, the scandal! She said this is one of the evidences why she can't ever live in that area again, that people are of a very provincial and closed-minded culture.

The other guy, Mr. R (the jeans guy) is solely friends with Mr. M and never replied to SW's text. So he's also of that same culture.

As a contrast, Mr. S is more of an international guy, speaks fluent French and lived in Paris and on the continent of Africa in the past. He has a clear French/European view about women, men, and relationships.

So at this point SW is deciding whether to try and arrange with Mr. S, or to take that time and use it to start scouting around for someone new.

Will be interesting to see how she plays it.

[JeffBingham]

Could it be possible that Mr M actually has a shred of decency and doesn't want to cheat on his girlfriend again? That he doesn't trust himself to not be seduced by SW again so he keeps no contact?

[slenderfish]

Yes, this could indeed be the case. But it's the same result from SW's point of view. Remember, her pursued her back when she was younger (in her mid-20's) and while he was married and having kids, etc. He of course asked SW to keep it on the down-low, told her he loved her, etc. So she stuck around much longer in that situation than she should have. Of course it was her own choice and fault, but she still has her feelings which are real. The price of being his girlfriend was that he was married and so she couldn't tell anyone she was in any relationship, had to hide, had to sit at home on Saturday nights, etc.

Also note that he kept in contact with her, and encouraged her to keep in contact with him, for all these years in between. Even did so hidden from me at times. He knew she was not telling me about their calls during that time frame, and he certainly was not telling his wife. SW and I had some difficult conversations back in those days, and then more recently about it all once she decided to become a hotwife. I challenged her to learn more about men and how they think, and why Mr. M would have wanted to keep in touch all those years.

So I believe a part of her is attempting to rewrite the script, where she is in control of the situation. I told her that one of the benefits of being a hotwife is that she gets to control her own sexuality and will have the additional benefit of better understanding how her beauty and allure are part of who she is and that these have power in a relationship with a man. So I think she wants to have him in the situation of sneaking around and limiting his ability to see her even though he may want to do so.

But from his standpoint, he is used to having all the power with SW and this new version of her is very disconcerting to him. He was against it in the beginning, telling her that it would doom her marriage, etc. So now we are seeing that he was against it for his own reasons, whether he knew these reasons or not.

[JeffBingham]

Thanks for the reminder on the background of Mr M. I think you nailed it in your last paragraph. It's about control.

[afagehi7]

Yes, this could indeed be the case. But it's the same result from SW's point of view. Remember, her pursued her back when she was younger (in her mid-20's) and while he was married and having kids, etc. He of course asked SW to keep it on the down-low, told her he loved her, etc. So she stuck around much longer in that situation than she should have. Of course it was her own choice and fault, but she still has her feelings which are real. The price of being his girlfriend was that he was married and so she couldn't tell anyone she was in any relationship, had to hide, had to sit at home on Saturday nights, etc.

Also note that he kept in contact with her, and encouraged her to keep in contact with him, for all these years in between. Even did so hidden from me at times. He knew she was not telling me about their calls during that time frame, and he certainly was not telling his wife. SW and I had some difficult conversations back in those days, and then more recently about it all once she decided to become a hotwife. I challenged her to learn more about men and how they think, and why Mr. M would have wanted to keep in touch all those years.

So I believe a part of her is attempting to rewrite the script, where she is in control of the situation. I told her that one of the benefits of being a hotwife is that she gets to control her own sexuality and will have the additional benefit of better understanding how her beauty and allure are part of who she is and that these have power in a relationship with a man. So I think she wants to have him in the situation of sneaking around and limiting his ability to see her even though he may want to do so.

But from his standpoint, he is used to having all the power with SW and this new version of her is very disconcerting to him. He was against it in the beginning, telling her that it would doom her marriage, etc. So now we are seeing that he was against it for his own reasons, whether he knew these reasons or not.

Correct! He wasn't overly concerned about her marriage. He advised her to try to benefit him. It's possible that he was just being a good friend but after he fucked her...or she fucked him...then somewhat ghosted her that went out the door. I like the idea that he wants the upper hand but is intimidated by her calling the plays. Interesting observation.

The question is why is his skirt ruffled? Free NSA pussy from a hottie... she's certainly hotter than anything he could pull otherwise. It kinda goes against male logic. Even if he decided to remain faithful why would he dump a long standing friendship?

This could be a reality TV show. We would certainly get the ratings.

[slenderfish]

This could be a reality TV show. We would certainly get the ratings.

This is precisely why I always figured SW is so equipped for the hotwife lifestyle. She naturally attracts this kind of thing. Also the hottie girlfriends with their "Real Housewives of (insert city)" types of drama and shenanigans.

When SW first started watching that series, I thought "oh no, this is a mistake, she'll start thinking this is normal behavior" but then I realized our real life is even more popping than those mostly-produced, so-called "reality" shows.

And in our real-life version, the guys actually are a big part of the fun and do get a lot of the benefits, as opposed to the poor schmucks on those shows.

[slenderfish]

Update. Yesterday we revisited all the travel plans for next week, so that SW had everything she needs from me (flight itinerary, hotel prepaid, rental car booked and prepaid) and she started making reservations for dinner, etc. with her mother and friends.

It was boys night for me and girls' night for her. SW had a reservation at a french restaurant that is very snooty and will not seat unless the full party has arrived. Her rez was for herself and three others, but one of the girls had a business call that kept her from arriving on time. My plans were not far from there, beginning about 45 minutes later vs. SW's rez, so she asked me to sit in for the 45 min which I did. I noted to her that I'm happy to sit with three lovely blondes over a cocktail (for me) and them with their glasses of red wine. I have to believe the other girls gave SW props for my assistance and my throwing $100 toward the tab as I said goodbye.

I also found out later that SW had again reached out to Mr. S yesterday, hoping to hear back from him to set something up.

I found this later, as follows.

My boys' night was with my buddy Mr. D. SW was fully aware of these plans. I'd contacted our mutual friend Ms. C (a single beautiful blonde who even had a Playboy photo shoot some years ago) to meet her at her favorite local watering hole on Wed nights. We know Ms. C because I rescued her from a bad date at a prominent and upscale restaurant a couple of summers ago, introducing myself to her when I saw that her date was gone for too long to the restroom. Apparently he was texting or calling an ex- he had not sufficiently cleared from his psyche. I carefully approached her and asked if she was on a date and if so, it is really unusual and (in my humble opinion) not cool for her (implied a hottie like her) to be left by herself for so long. Of course her body language immediately showed that she agreed, without saying so. With her permission I absorbed her and her date into our group that night, and at some point her date went home by himself, and she carried on with us to the next upscale place and then the final place that night. It was one of those great summer nights when everything comes together, and a bonus that we met Ms. C. And I got to continue perpetuating with my friends that I can and do scoop up the hotties from time to time. SW has met Ms. C once or twice but they are not yet friends. Anyway, last night Mr. D and I matched up with Ms. C and a couple of her friends with the plan to arrange a double date with me and SW as one couple, to introduce Ms. C to our other friend Mr. B (yes, that Mr. B) as the other couple, for this upcoming Saturday night.

I suppose all the above (SW getting geared up for the trip, her reaching out to Mr. S, my good manners with her and the girls, my meeting up with a hottie for drinks, etc. must have gotten SW moving into Pinky mode.

I arrived home about 30 min before her, and was a bit surprised at that, so was just falling into bed when I heard the arrival of her car. She bounded upstairs, took off all her clothes, and said "wake up and fuck me right now" or similar. She was wet and ready. She told me she'd reached out again to Mr. S and I took the hint and asked if she was hoping to make plans with him for next week. I reminded her that he's the most likely and best opportunity, since she already has chemistry with him, knows him, and is fine with no condom for him. She said yes, exactly. I asked if she wanted to lay back as she was, under me at the time, and take him inside of her. She said yes. Then she took the narrative and said that she will kiss and make out with him, then suck his big cock until about to explode, then take him missionary style while his 6'4" body envelops her. When about to explode yet again, she will stop him and offer up her tight little asshole. She said "plenty of lube" and slow and careful, she will take all of him and let him use her for his pleasure, and will encourage him to come inside her tight rose.

That's all it took for me to overcome my alcohol-sleepy brain and take care of business. Bam!

Oh, and somewhere in there she threw some shade on Mr. M for being a terrible friend.

So now we wait for Mr. S' reply.

[Aureus]

Update. Yesterday we revisited all the travel plans for next week, so that SW had everything she needs from me (flight itinerary, hotel prepaid, rental car booked and prepaid) and she started making reservations for dinner, etc. with her mother and friends.

It was boys night for me and girls' night for her. SW had a reservation at a french restaurant that is very snooty and will not seat unless the full party has arrived. Her rez was for herself and three others, but one of the girls had a business call that kept her from arriving on time. My plans were not far from there, beginning about 45 minutes later vs. SW's rez, so she asked me to sit in for the 45 min which I did. I noted to her that I'm happy to sit with three lovely blondes over a cocktail (for me) and them with their glasses of red wine. I have to believe the other girls gave SW props for my assistance and my throwing $100 toward the tab as I said goodbye.

I also found out later that SW had again reached out to Mr. S yesterday, hoping to hear back from him to set something up.

I found this later, as follows.

My boys' night was with my buddy Mr. D. SW was fully aware of these plans. I'd contacted our mutual friend Ms. C (a single beautiful blonde who even had a Playboy photo shoot some years ago) to meet her at her favorite local watering hole on Wed nights. We know Ms. C because I rescued her from a bad date at a prominent and upscale restaurant a couple of summers ago, introducing myself to her when I saw that her date was gone for too long to the restroom. Apparently he was texting or calling an ex- he had not sufficiently cleared from his psyche. I carefully approached her and asked if she was on a date and if so, it is really unusual and (in my humble opinion) not cool for her (implied a hottie like her) to be left by herself for so long. Of course her body language immediately showed that she agreed, without saying so. With her permission I absorbed her and her date into our group that night, and at some point her date went home by himself, and she carried on with us to the next upscale place and then the final place that night. It was one of those great summer nights when everything comes together, and a bonus that we met Ms. C. And I got to continue perpetuating with my friends that I can and do scoop up the hotties from time to time. SW has met Ms. C once or twice but they are not yet friends. Anyway, last night Mr. D and I matched up with Ms. C and a couple of her friends with the plan to arrange a double date with me and SW as one couple, to introduce Ms. C to our other friend Mr. B (yes, that Mr. B) as the other couple, for this upcoming Saturday night.

I suppose all the above (SW getting geared up for the trip, her reaching out to Mr. S, my good manners with her and the girls, my meeting up with a hottie for drinks, etc. must have gotten SW moving into Pinky mode.

I arrived home about 30 min before her, and was a bit surprised at that, so was just falling into bed when I heard the arrival of her car. She bounded upstairs, took off all her clothes, and said "wake up and fuck me right now" or similar. She was wet and ready. She told me she'd reached out again to Mr. S and I took the hint and asked if she was hoping to make plans with him for next week. I reminded her that he's the most likely and best opportunity, since she already has chemistry with him, knows him, and is fine with no condom for him. She said yes, exactly. I asked if she wanted to lay back as she was, under me at the time, and take him inside of her. She said yes. Then she took the narrative and said that she will kiss and make out with him, then suck his big cock until about to explode, then take him missionary style while his 6'4" body envelops her. When about to explode yet again, she will stop him and offer up her tight little asshole. She said "plenty of lube" and slow and careful, she will take all of him and let him use her for his pleasure, and will encourage him to come inside her tight rose.

That's all it took for me to overcome my alcohol-sleepy brain and take care of business. Bam!

Oh, and somewhere in there she threw some shade on Mr. M for being a terrible friend.

So now we wait for Mr. S' reply.

Hot update. Maybe suggest her to hint him very directly in a message that she wants his d in her a. This should give him some motivation to throw whatever he has in his schedule overboard.

[afagehi7]

Holy fuck! If she really gives him her ass I'll be blown away. I'm not an anal guy but the thought of her being so naughty is off the charts. So horney she lets him have her ass. You're going to be exploding in your pants when she tells you.

He better man the fuck up. If not after she's home she'll reveal what he could have had...

On a scale of 1-10... What are the odds she does it (assuming he steps up and they have a sex date)?

[slenderfish]

Hot update. Maybe suggest her to hint him very directly in a message that she wants his d in her a. This should give him some motivation to throw whatever he has in his schedule overboard.

Apparently she is too proud to chase him. She said she will wait on his reply (or not). I agree that he probably doesn't know for sure her travel details, and have pointed that out to SW. She said she sent to him in late January and if he can't keep track, then he isn't even making the slightest effort.

[slenderfish]

Holy fuck! If she really gives him her ass I'll be blown away. I'm not an anal guy but the thought of her being so naughty is off the charts. So horney she lets him have her ass. You're going to be exploding in your pants when she tells you.

He better man the fuck up. If not after she's home she'll reveal what he could have had...

On a scale of 1-10... What are the odds she does it (assuming he steps up and they have a sex date)?

If he was to actually chase her and make her feel extra special, and keep in contact to the point of really heating up the pre-encounter anticipation, I do believe she could be motivated to please him (and me) in that way.

But as of now not looking like it's gonna happen. But things do change....