Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

[slenderfish]

On the note of things do change:

She called Mr. M and left a voicemail letting him know of her specific travel plans and she noted that he'd told her back in Nov/Dec of his plans to travel to Cancun with his girlfriend in late February, to point out there may nevertheless be days when they are both in town (weekdays) and therefore could get together "for coffee" or similar. You'll recall he went silent and has remained so ever since they fucked on the night before Thanksgiving.

He called her "live" within five minutes of her call, and they spoke for quite some time. My take on it is he unsure about getting together with Pinky (he said that his girlfriend calls him a "fuckaround" and is suspicious of him all the time) but at the same time he needs someone's shoulder to cry on regarding his divorce (finalized last week) and his girlfriend.

I suggested to Pinky that she offer a shoulder but limit that to 30 minutes when/if they do get together.

[BallSpanking]

Well ..., he'll start with the shoulder ...

[afagehi7]

Why limit the time? To keep suspicion down?

[slenderfish]

Why limit the time? To keep suspicion down?

No, to keep him from groveling along for the full amount of time they will be out (or in?) together.

[slenderfish]

Just got home from the big dinner out introducing Mr. B to Ms. C at the restaurant of a chef known for his multiple-Michelin stars at another restaurant in a different city.

SW said she wasn't into it, earlier in the week, but I insisted that it was her suggestion and that I'd spent a lot of effort to get it all together. She demurred and the said she would be happy to do it if we could invite the niece and her date, to which I agreed.

But on the day of (today) SW wasn't feeling well so she stayed home. I twisted her arm (figuratively) to get her to go but she would not budge. Another point in her avoidance of Mr. B for "some unknown reason" heh heh. So we had the dinner with the five of us, and no SW.

Not looking like Mr. B and Ms. C will be a match. Was worth the shot.

[afagehi7]

Just got home from the big dinner out introducing Mr. B to Ms. C at the restaurant of a chef known for his multiple-Michelin stars at another restaurant in a different city.

SW said she wasn't into it, earlier in the week, but I insisted that it was her suggestion and that I'd spent a lot of effort to get it all together. She demurred and the said she would be happy to do it if we could invite the niece and her date, to which I agreed.

But on the day of (today) SW wasn't feeling well so she stayed home. I twisted her arm (figuratively) to get her to go but she would not budge. Another point in her avoidance of Mr. B for "some unknown reason" heh heh. So we had the dinner with the five of us, and no SW.

Not looking like Mr. B and Ms. C will be a match. Was worth the shot.

Her behavior around Mr B continues to provoke suspicion.

That aside, I think she wanted him to remain faithful to her. Once he slamdangled the other woman at your party things went south. If you didn't have money entangled with him I would say push it farther for information from him but no point in losing money over something that can't be changed.

[slenderfish]

Her behavior around Mr B continues to provoke suspicion.

Yes, I did say back in August that time will likely show everything, or at least color it enough to make an educated conclusion.

She never even reached out to him or his estranged wife regarding the loss of their son in late January. This is the more of the unnatural things I've observed relative to her and Mr. B.

That aside, I think she wanted him to remain faithful to her. Once he slamdangled the other woman at your party things went south. If you didn't have money entangled with him I would say push it farther for information from him but no point in losing money over something that can't be changed.

Yes, it seems that anything having to do with him and another woman is something she just wants to avoid or pretend doesn't exist.

[slenderfish]

Latest shenanigans from Pinky.

I mentioned above that she told me of her telephone conversation with Mr. M etc. After looking back on the day/date I wondered if she'd had this call with him during a specific time that she knew I would be away and therefore impossible to walk in on her while the call. And in light of my walking in on her in late October(?) that one time when she thought I was going to be late on "boys' night" and she was having phone sex with him, I decided it worth a bit of checking up on the time of their call and the duration. It was as I figured, she called him immediately after her training session with Mr. G. She knew I was at a business lunch that would keep me until mid-afternoon. He called her back about an hour later, and they spoke for just under an hour.

But what I didn't expect (I'm not one to sleuth unless it is really warranted, and I figured above was reason enough) was something else on the same afternoon, immediately after I'd called SW to tell her I was going to remain in the area where I had lunch and meet a buddy for happy hour, back in time for dinner. She called Mr. S. Actually, she'd called him a few times that day and left voicemails, so they were probably texting to arrange a time to match schedules (my assumption). They spoke for almost an hour and a half.

She did (as noted above) tell me about the call with Mr. M but nothing about any conversation or communication with Mr. S. To this minute, she has consistently said that Mr. S has ghosted her and I suppose that's what she wants me to believe.

I'll give it a bit of time to see if she is holding something as "a nice surprise" for me, but this all happened on Friday afternoon and it's now mid-day Sunday.

I'm interested to see if she remains ill today, and if she recovers just in time for her trip. I bet that's how it plays out.

She departs for her trip on Tuesday morning.

I wonder if I should start checking on the last time possible to cancel the hotel to avoid charge. I suppose that's going to be the time frame for me to wait to see if she is back to her secrecy or not. That is, at this point I have to assume she's back to her secrecy unless proven otherwise by her communicating and sharing.

I think is now the third(?) sequel.

Pinky's Secrecy Prediliction, Part III.

[afagehi7]

Her not reaching out whatsoever to Mr B about his son is totally bizarre. She is treating him as one would an ex boyfriend.

Are you going to say anything about the call? Maybe say nothing and see if she is planning a surprise for you? Only thing is you have no means to check on her so if she never says anything then you are in another mr b situation. I reckon you can call her and if she doesn't answer or return your call then you know.

I'm disappointed she didn't swallow her pride and say something about his son. Is it normal behavior for her? If it was someone else would she have reached out.

[Rockhard70]

Sorry but there’s no doubt she’s on some BS. I’ve been saying it. I think she wants something for herself, she’ll throw you a lil hot wife related action here and there and then she does what she wants that she keeps to herself, which is cheating and not within the Hotwire guidelines. Her Illness right before mtg Mr B for dinner is no accident. The fact that she doesn’t share everything with you during this journey in my eyes is proof of that. I will reiterate that she’s been with MR B and the trainer and she obviously is playing quiet about MR S. Just my two cents.

[solstice]

afagehi7 wrote: Slamdangled.

The word sounds as if it came out of Monty Python, even google denied knowing the expression!

[solstice]

I find Pinky difficult to fathom, Hasn't she on occasions fully found pleasure in telling you details at least of one incident of her fucking S and now is keeping you in the dark?

Did Pinky's niece still go to the dinner that your wife pulled out of?

[BallSpanking]

If SW is in town, and Mr S is free, he will find a way to come.
And if SW is in town, and he is free to fuck her, SW will make herself available.
The other drama, Mr M, etc seems a waste of time.
Mr G sounds intriguing, but that's for the longer haul ...

[slenderfish]

Her not reaching out whatsoever to Mr B about his son is totally bizarre. She is treating him as one would an ex boyfriend.

Are you going to say anything about the call? Maybe say nothing and see if she is planning a surprise for you? Only thing is you have no means to check on her so if she never says anything then you are in another mr b situation. I reckon you can call her and if she doesn't answer or return your call then you know.

I'm disappointed she didn't swallow her pride and say something about his son. Is it normal behavior for her? If it was someone else would she have reached out.

Miraculously, SF is back on her feet today and is presently at (insert high-end women's fashion department store) right now using her birthday promotion credits before they expire.

Not going to say anything about the call. I'll wait to see what she does or does not offer, on her own. And if she travels as planned on Tuesday, then I'll wait for the "Honey, I have a surprise for you" message or call. If that fails to materialize, then "Lucy you got some 'splaining to do!" upon her return. I will go after this secrecy b.s. very aggressively.

As for Mr. B and the situation with the son's passing, I am also a bit taken aback by her (lack of) empathy. I do know she is basically all about herself in life, but this is really the next level.

She committed to reach out and to send flowers, etc. but did none of it. Kind of made us both seem uncaring. If I had known she was going to drop the ball on this, I would have interceded.

If it was someone else would she have reached out? Now I'm going to have to consider this question a bit deeper.

Perhaps not....

[slenderfish]

I find Pinky difficult to fathom, Hasn't she on occasions fully found pleasure in telling you details at least of one incident of her fucking S and now is keeping you in the dark?

Did Pinky's niece still go to the dinner that your wife pulled out of?

Part of her mystery.

She has on several occasions provided me pleasure, and I assume found herself also pleasure, in the telling of her and Mr. S. It doesn't seem to make sense. But I have to remind myself that I know SF best and there may be something else, that darned ego of hers.

I have to remind myself that doesn't want to be seem (by herself and by me) to have failed in lassoing Mr. S. So until she is more certain, then she may hold back. She kind of has done a version of this each time.

She has sprung surprises on me. Mr. M as an example. She never even indicated it was something of any possibility, first the phone sex and then, later, their jumping each others' bones. I only found out about the fucking the morning after, and never had any advance hint it might happen.

Yes, Pinky's niece did attend the dinner with her guy (new boyfriend?). She was styled by Pinky and looked very dashing and appropriate. She was beautiful. This was by far the nicest restaurant/dinner she'd ever been to. She represented herself and Pinky very capably, engaging with Ms. C and all of us with interesting conversation. The boyfriend is really terrific; we could not have found or recommended a better guy. It's a good thing she moved to our city and left her insular area of upbringing. They don't have guys like this one back there.

[slenderfish]

If SW is in town, and Mr S is free, he will find a way to come.
And if SW is in town, and he is free to fuck her, SW will make herself available.
The other drama, Mr M, etc seems a waste of time.
Mr G sounds intriguing, but that's for the longer haul ...

I wholeheartedly agree, and here's my version of what you noted above:

Pinky always downplays Mr. S but of course they will get together if there is any possibility. He's handsome, a good conversationalist, is quite tall with body parts proportionate to his height.

Mr. M is a fallback plan, one she poo-poo's but hey, he's been "in" many times in the past and it's, as they say, "like riding a bike." But she does seem to like this new feeling of control over him, and she must know that control comes from her attractiveness and sexiness. I'd think at some point that nMr. M will stop being fearful and begin to be intrigued. He is not at all attractive and also not in very good physical shape. Ms. A (SW's close friend from the hometown who came out for the recent birthday party) said "he hasn't aged well." And Niece still refers to him as "that creepy looking guy" (lol). While SW was telling me about their phone call, at the tail end of the telling, Niece walked into the room and deduced the conversation but was not certain who she was talking about. I told her it was Mr. M and her face unknowingly got this look that one gets when surprised by a rancid smell or something gross in the field of view, and she said "oh that creepy looking guy, ewww."

Little does she know that he and SW were fucking the night before Thanksgiving dinner at her mom's house, where we were all in attendance.

SW has layers to her that Niece would never be able to comprehend!

Yes, Mr. G is for the future. Once SW has fully embraced herself and the hotwife lifestyle, and is willing to bring her Pinky side out here in the area where we live.

[Freemans892]

How old is Ms. C?

For a while, SW / Pinky was indicating she preferred a monogamish marriage more so than a Hotwife marriage. I can only assume that Ms. C would a good candidate for a FWB for yourself if that was to happen?

[Tryn]

I have a theory for you to ponder. Perhaps SW is hiding the Mrs. S communications from you out of her own fear of failure. I’m not proposing logical thinking on her part. Emotional thinking is often illogical. If she feels he’s not that into her, she may be feeling she’s not hot enough for him. To protect herself, she could feel keeping this from you insulates her. If you’re not aware of her failure then she feels failure less. In essence, failing herself isn’t as bad as failing herself and you. Sharing after something goes down could be her way of reaping the rewards of success and limiting the sting of failure. Of course it could be selfishness and she just doesn’t feel like she should have to share everything with you. My wife isn’t in the lifestyle, sigh, but she definitely feels zero obligation to share with me. I see a lot of my wife in SW.

Enjoying your thread and living vicariously through it!

[Freemans892]

I have a theory for you to ponder. Perhaps SW is hiding the Mrs. S communications from you out of her own fear of failure. I’m not proposing logical thinking on her part. Emotional thinking is often illogical. If she feels he’s not that into her, she may be feeling she’s not hot enough for him. To protect herself, she could feel keeping this from you insulates her. If you’re not aware of her failure then she feels failure less. In essence, failing herself isn’t as bad as failing herself and you. Sharing after something goes down could be her way of reaping the rewards of success and limiting the sting of failure. Of course it could be selfishness and she just doesn’t feel like she should have to share everything with you. My wife isn’t in the lifestyle, sigh, but she definitely feels zero obligation to share with me. I see a lot of my wife in SW.

Enjoying your thread and living vicariously through it!

Agreed. SW is a Hotwife but not yet a confident hotwife. With Mr. S playing hard to get, this situation may not be helping SW confidence in her Hotwife endeavours.

[afagehi7]

I have a theory for you to ponder. Perhaps SW is hiding the Mrs. S communications from you out of her own fear of failure. I’m not proposing logical thinking on her part. Emotional thinking is often illogical. If she feels he’s not that into her, she may be feeling she’s not hot enough for him. To protect herself, she could feel keeping this from you insulates her. If you’re not aware of her failure then she feels failure less. In essence, failing herself isn’t as bad as failing herself and you. Sharing after something goes down could be her way of reaping the rewards of success and limiting the sting of failure. Of course it could be selfishness and she just doesn’t feel like she should have to share everything with you. My wife isn’t in the lifestyle, sigh, but she definitely feels zero obligation to share with me. I see a lot of my wife in SW.

Enjoying your thread and living vicariously through it!

This is a well constructed theory. People do this all the time with a myriad of topics. "Oh the new yorker will never publish my cartoon" to " she'd never go out with me." Makes the rejection sting less. Kind of taking the negative as true and being surprised by the positive as opposed to thinking the positive and being upset if the negative is true. Personally, I do this all the time but I am a pessimist. Maybe there is a psych term for this behavior.

The question is will she share within a couple of days upon return. If she doesn't share by the first sexy time with fish then it's cheating.

Fish - do you have location on her phone? I'm not asking in a stalking way but it's quite common for couples to share location especially when travelling. Knowing she's at the hotel all evening and not answering your calls means you know what's up.

Mr.G - I think if he is willing then SW will change in to pinky. She's already dressing to impress. If she has been with him already once it stops she'll behave different. We've seen that with Mr.B. regarding that, she should have at least told you to send flowers. I always ask my wife if she's going to handle it or if I should. Common among couples.

Edit: hopefully you'll keep us posted during her travels.

[slenderfish]

How old is Ms. C?

For a while, SW / Pinky was indicating she preferred a monogamish marriage more so than a Hotwife marriage. I can only assume that Ms. C would a good candidate for a FWB for yourself if that was to happen?

You are following this true story very well. There IS a reason I've started to bring Ms. C into the picture, at least more so with respect to SW in recent weeks. SW has already started acting a bit chafed by this and her language has indicated the same, during basic conversations. I believe it is useful to remind SW that I have skills and options, and will continue subtly ramping this up while SW increases her secrecy, if for nothing else but my psychological balance. I feel like there is a counterbalance to SW's shenanigans.

Yes, Ms. C would be a good candidate. Summer before last (summer 2019) I was out with friends (boys' night) and someone brought his girlfriend, who herself brought a couple of women along to the restaurant. I'd never met these new women. My friend Mr. D had invited Ms. C, since this was the restaurant we'd (I'd) first met Ms. C and brought her into our group. These married women got very animated and cranky upon the arrival of Ms. C and so I asked the mutual friend to find out what is up. Turns out one of the married women hates Ms. C and said that Ms. C had had an affair with her husband some years prior. Ms. C does not know this woman. SW knows this story.

[slenderfish]

SF: "Lucy you got some 'splaining to do!" upon her return. I will go after this secrecy b.s. very aggressively.

Better late than never!

I'd take the next flight after her and follow her!

I've thought about this, you can be sure. Not gonna do it.

[slenderfish]

I have a theory for you to ponder. Perhaps SW is hiding the Mrs. S communications from you out of her own fear of failure. I’m not proposing logical thinking on her part. Emotional thinking is often illogical. If she feels he’s not that into her, she may be feeling she’s not hot enough for him. To protect herself, she could feel keeping this from you insulates her. If you’re not aware of her failure then she feels failure less. In essence, failing herself isn’t as bad as failing herself and you. Sharing after something goes down could be her way of reaping the rewards of success and limiting the sting of failure. Of course it could be selfishness and she just doesn’t feel like she should have to share everything with you. My wife isn’t in the lifestyle, sigh, but she definitely feels zero obligation to share with me. I see a lot of my wife in SW.

Enjoying your thread and living vicariously through it!

Thanks, I'm taking this as my approach for now. I mean, she's my wife, whom I love dearly, and she is still getting her legs in this hotwife lifestyle. Of course she should get the benefit of the doubt.

[slenderfish]

Fish - do you have location on her phone? I'm not asking in a stalking way but it's quite common for couples to share location especially when travelling. Knowing she's at the hotel all evening and not answering your calls means you know what's up.

I do not have any tracking or sleuthing capacity in place at this point. I don't think anything has transpired to even warrant my asking for this, as I know she will never agree unless or until it's a compromise after a major issue such as total loss of trust (cheating, etc.).

Mr.G - I think if he is willing then SW will change in to pinky. She's already dressing to impress. If she has been with him already once it stops she'll behave different. We've seen that with Mr.B. regarding that, she should have at least told you to send flowers. I always ask my wife if she's going to handle it or if I should. Common among couples.

As for Mr. G. The important elements are in place. SW is totally his type. I've met his wife, she's a blonde light-eyed woman but not anywhere near the level of talent of SW. I believe (as you do) that SW merely needs to make her desire known. But she has to embrace her desire first.

Edit: hopefully you'll keep us posted during her travels.

I'll do my best! Am considering a ski weekend.

[veub]

I have a theory for you to ponder. Perhaps SW is hiding the Mrs. S communications from you out of her own fear of failure. I’m not proposing logical thinking on her part. Emotional thinking is often illogical. If she feels he’s not that into her, she may be feeling she’s not hot enough for him. To protect herself, she could feel keeping this from you insulates her. If you’re not aware of her failure then she feels failure less. In essence, failing herself isn’t as bad as failing herself and you. Sharing after something goes down could be her way of reaping the rewards of success and limiting the sting of failure. Of course it could be selfishness and she just doesn’t feel like she should have to share everything with you. My wife isn’t in the lifestyle, sigh, but she definitely feels zero obligation to share with me. I see a lot of my wife in SW.

Enjoying your thread and living vicariously through it!

I would bet that this theory is way off. To me, it's fairly obvious that this is not SW's first rodeo. It's hard to change the habits built up over years and I would think that she would find SF's behavior annoying.