Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

[afagehi7]

Secret nanny cam in the kitchen. Everyone visits the kitchen so fish would know of any visitors and wait for her to mention them.

SW is sensitive to having security cameras around any more. Probably because of the situation last summer with Mr. B when she forgot she'd insisted I install a security camera for the construction work.

This past December we received a quick-cam from daughter and I installed it that day in front of daughter, expressing my glee at the gift. I did this because of course SW could not realistically block that from happening.

But in the days afterward, that cam was always turned backwards or blocked with something. She ultimately got rid of it when the opportunity arose.

All the more reason for a secret nanny cam in the kitchen or the front door... Somewhere you won't see action but will know who's been to the house. For example, if Mr B is over and she never tells you then you know something is up. Couldn't confront with the information but you would know. Could even be a pet cam because you would recognize the behavior from your dog.

Again, do what makes sense in your situation but I'd want to know who was coming and going. Even outside camera on the drive way or front door.

Just something to consider.

[superb101]

There is no other reason than cheating to block a camera, etc. IMHO. If you or anyone can help me with this, I would appreciate it!

[anonymister1948]

Secret nanny cam in the kitchen. Everyone visits the kitchen so fish would know of any visitors and wait for her to mention them.

SW is sensitive to having security cameras around any more. Probably because of the situation last summer with Mr. B when she forgot she'd insisted I install a security camera for the construction work.

This past December we received a quick-cam from daughter and I installed it that day in front of daughter, expressing my glee at the gift. I did this because of course SW could not realistically block that from happening.

But in the days afterward, that cam was always turned backwards or blocked with something. She ultimately got rid of it when the opportunity arose.

A Ring Doorbell has a near 180º field of view. Put one on the front door and another by the garage or other "blind" spots. You will know for certain who comes by. It'll be in the cloud and accessible from anywhere you have internet. "This Ring camera is for the security of not only our house but the entire neighborhood."

[afagehi7]

Secret nanny cam in the kitchen. Everyone visits the kitchen so fish would know of any visitors and wait for her to mention them.

SW is sensitive to having security cameras around any more. Probably because of the situation last summer with Mr. B when she forgot she'd insisted I install a security camera for the construction work.

This past December we received a quick-cam from daughter and I installed it that day in front of daughter, expressing my glee at the gift. I did this because of course SW could not realistically block that from happening.

But in the days afterward, that cam was always turned backwards or blocked with something. She ultimately got rid of it when the opportunity arose.

A Ring Doorbell has a near 180º field of view. Put one on the front door and another by the garage or other "blind" spots. You will know for certain who comes by. It'll be in the cloud and accessible from anywhere you have internet. "This Ring camera is for the security of not only our house but the entire neighborhood."

Can it be done by stealth? If she knows it defeats the purpose.

[anonymister1948]

A Ring Doorbell has a near 180º field of view. Put one on the front door and another by the garage or other "blind" spots. You will know for certain who comes by. It'll be in the cloud and accessible from anywhere you have internet. "This Ring camera is for the security of not only our house but the entire neighborhood."

Can it be done by stealth? If she knows it defeats the purpose.

It's a doorbell. It isn't supposed to be stealthy. The ONLY thing it would show is people coming and going. If she's against that, then what? There would be absolutely no way SW could argue that without saying, "I don't want you to know who comes to our house," and that would be shady AF.

[Jeff111]

Seems pretty solid that she was looking for something. Unusual behaviour has a reason behind it. Are you travelling with any women for the Dallas trip or meeting any there that SW knows about or just thinks you could meet someone?

Maybe Ms V told SW about your conversation regarding both your feelings towards marriage arrangements and feelings regarding affairs and SW thinks it’s possible you may doing such? Or checking that you aren’t.

I don’t think it’s a positive sign, more one of SW feeling insecure and not trusting. Searching for clues instead of asking for assurance.

[afagehi7]

A Ring Doorbell has a near 180º field of view. Put one on the front door and another by the garage or other "blind" spots. You will know for certain who comes by. It'll be in the cloud and accessible from anywhere you have internet. "This Ring camera is for the security of not only our house but the entire neighborhood."

Can it be done by stealth? If she knows it defeats the purpose.

It's a doorbell. It isn't supposed to be stealthy. The ONLY thing it would show is people coming and going. If she's against that, then what? There would be absolutely no way SW could argue that without saying, "I don't want you to know who comes to our house," and that would be shady AF.

Good point but if she knows about it then she wouldn't be having stealth visitors.

Mr B climbing through a window to pound her pretty pussy would be hot

[slenderfish]

I'll figure out a solution to what goes on in the house when I'm not around.

We are in the final stages of the home remodel (finally!) with the floors having been installed, and next is the appliances and sink fixtures, etc. After which I'll be doing the entertainment system myself, to include cutting holes in the ceiling for speakers and connecting to wires that I pre-positioned. So this effort will be the time to introduce anything else electronic that I deem appropriate for security, etc.

[slenderfish]

Back to Ms. H from a) when we were on vacation at the beach area and b) when we went out as couples in their city before returning home.

a) They met us for dinner that one night at the beach town; it was a Friday and they'd just arrived from another city where they had been celebrating their anniversary. Literally just drove straight to the dinner reservation because they were delayed by traffic. It was their dinner reservation and we arrived on time and stalled in order to protect the reservation. The plan was to go out big on Saturday night, so we were a bit surprised when they suggested we go over to a clubby place after dinner (at 12:30 a.m.) "for one drink." The third couple (Ms. V and her guy) declined, preferring to rest up for the following night. SW resisted mightily, but Mr. and Ms. H pressed and I also encouraged "just one drink" and off we went. I sensed that there was some reason they pushed for this night, at some level attempting to get us away from Ms. V and her guy. So I followed the lead of Ms. H.

We got to the club and there was music, a big bar scene, and people kind of dancing (even though it was not a dance club and the open area was clearly blocked by furniture and structure to prevent any kind of dance floor). Once Ms. H and SW got a glass of wine, they got each other going and sat up on the wall for everyone to see and posed for photos, faux kissing, etc. Some of those images are in my other thread in the Hotties section.

But at some point SW pressed to go back to our apartment, to save some energy for the following night. Ms. H said something like "you gotta go with what's happening now because you never know about later" or similar.

The next day we all met at the beach club at 1:30 p.m. and Mr. H was visibly used up. They had apparently stayed out all night, going over to the bigger and more famous dance club, etc.

I quietly noted to Ms. H that she's really a party girl after all. She smiled and quietly said "you have no idea."

We all went back to our various apartments and got shined up for the Saturday night plans, met for dinner, but Mr. and Ms. H declined to go out, that they'd used up all their juice the previous night, and that they were leaving early Sunday to pack up and go home.

We all said goodbye and didn't see them again until later that week, the night before SW and I returned to the USA.

b) The cocktail hour at Ms. H's house and then off to dinner the following Thursday. I'll get into that later, when I have a bit more time. It kind of pulls together the whole picture and new suspicions about Ms. H and that she may be a hotwife, or a cheating wife, or cuckoldress. Or perhaps in the past...

[Roadtripking]

SF,

Looks like your currently in a no win situation on the subject of cameras in or around your house. If you don’t have them you might wonder what is going on while your not home. If you do get them, then your unable to use any information gathered by them.

Clearly SW is against having cameras used for daily home security. Even if SW approves of outdoor cameras which only cover entry points of your home odds are the only information you will gain is brief coverage of what SF is wearing while entering and exiting your home.

If you don’t get SW to approve installing cameras for home security use, how will you explain them to her if you use information gathered by the cameras she didn’t want in the first place.

I understand that the temptation to secretly install cameras would seem like a way to know for sure if SW is doing things with someone without your knowledge, but the price you might pay for that knowledge might be steep.

I really don’t think SW is hiding any on going relationships with anyone outside your marriage. However I do think she might be a tiny bit worried that you might “cheat” on her.

I know your not planning to become a Hot Husband, but you have to admit that you are attractive to other women. SW knows your hot and can tell when other women size you up like a piece of prime beef.

I really believe some of her actions in the past year are directly related to her being aware that other women find you attractive. Even though you have been very clear that SW is the only woman you desire, she still observes other women in social settings clearly interested in you.

If it was me, I would get the cameras installed and hope never to get caught having them in place. But I know if caught it would be very bad.

[slenderfish]

SF,

Looks like your currently in a no win situation on the subject of cameras in or around your house. If you don’t have them you might wonder what is going on while your not home. If you do get them, then your unable to use any information gathered by them.

Clearly SW is against having cameras used for daily home security. Even if SW approves of outdoor cameras which only cover entry points of your home odds are the only information you will gain is brief coverage of what SF is wearing while entering and exiting your home.

If you don’t get SW to approve installing cameras for home security use, how will you explain them to her if you use information gathered by the cameras she didn’t want in the first place.

I understand that the temptation to secretly install cameras would seem like a way to know for sure if SW is doing things with someone without your knowledge, but the price you might pay for that knowledge might be steep.

I really don’t think SW is hiding any on going relationships with anyone outside your marriage. However I do think she might be a tiny bit worried that you might “cheat” on her.

I know your not planning to become a Hot Husband, but you have to admit that you are attractive to other women. SW knows your hot and can tell when other women size you up like a piece of prime beef.

I really believe some of her actions in the past year are directly related to her being aware that other women find you attractive. Even though you have been very clear that SW is the only woman you desire, she still observes other women in social settings clearly interested in you.

If it was me, I would get the cameras installed and hope never to get caught having them in place. But I know if caught it would be very bad.

I follow your summary and the logic and don't disagree with any of your points. Yes, a bit of a dilemma. Kind of like life.

[slenderfish]

Daughter's wedding went like a charm, couldn't have asked for it to be better. SW had fun, I have some images I will share when I have a minute. She was perfectly appropriate, had a lot of fun and pulled a lot of attention, but nobody will say she upstaged the bride.

Niece has mostly moved out. SW told me she has Niece's schedule, that Niece won't be around until Thursday when she will join us for dinner and SW will take her to the airport for a little weekend trip to see her boyfriend. My point here is that SW now has sole occupancy of the house when I'm out of town. I'll be continuing these trips to Dallas on and off (more on than off) for the next few months.

And we are back to our usual cycle, whatever that means. We've been off pattern since late August, when we traveled for almost three weeks deep into September, then preparation for the wedding and also the associated family in town and with us. To SW, her workouts define her normal weekly cycle. And she has apparently really missed Mr. G. Here's yesterday's dialogue:

Me: Well, now that everyone is gone we can get back to our cycles. As I noted, I'll be departing for Texas early in the morning (Tuesday) and I'll be home for a late dinner on Wednesday. I suppose you'll be happy to get back to your schedule with Mr. G on Wednesday.

Her: Yes, happy for Wednesday but just so you know, I'm going to see Mr. G tomorrow (today, Tuesday).

Me: Oh, you can't wait for your Mr. G fix, then?

Her: Correct!

I went to bed a bit early, hoping to get ahead of the early morning alarm. She climbed into bed, shook me awake, and asked for "a quickie" to which I agreed without hesitation. I asked her to get naked while I brushed my teeth and then we laid there in anticipation. She made a remark about her body not being in proper shape to which I replied that she's silly, her body is fabulous. But she has her personal standards, I understand that.

We went past this as a bit of humor and kind of started to get into it. She (as is her preference) asked for missionary position. I said that I understand, that she prefers to be penetrated and enveloped by the man, into her "tight little beautiful pink shaved pussy" and she responded.

She then said that she's not happy with her face, that she wishes it was _____ (insert whatever here) and perhaps she needs ____ (insert dermatological or plastic surgery procedure here) and of course I said she is perfect and that I'm sorry her self image is in this place right now.

But for the first time ever, I sensed that she wanted me to play with this a bit. I do realize that people are complex and curious, and that sometimes an extreme opposite theme is desired from time to time by people. So I tested it a bit.

I said "I can certainly take care of you and fuck without considering your face" to which she kind of positively responded.

Step carefully here, SF.

I then said "If you really want, of course we can just put a bag over your head and I can just fuck this smokin' body that was clearly made for fucking."

She said that would be nice.

I said "Well, if your face is covered and you are anonymous, then you won't know if another man is here until his cock is inside of you. You might suddenly feel a different, thicker, longer, or bigger head, and realize it's someone else."

She said "You'd like that, wouldn't you?"

I said "Yes, of course. And you'd like that, too wouldn't you? A line of men, each waiting impatiently for his turn to use your hot body for his pleasure, imagining what kind of face is attached to it, envisioning their fantasy girl, and you are providing the body for it all. You work out so often and keep it hard and tight just for this kind of thing."

She chuckled and said something about my vivid imagination but she also responded physically and really got into the fucking at that point.

I started dragging it out a bit, then remembered this was supposed to be "a quickie" for both our sake, so moved along to the finish.

She held me tight and I drifted into a blissful sleep.

[afagehi7]

Bag on her head... Interesting... I've never heard of something like that... I wonder if the bag or maybe a mask and blindfold so it's NSA anonymous fucking rings her bell. She's getting fucked by another guy but doesn't know who...

[solstice]

SF writes: I then said "If you really want, of course we can just put a bag over your head and I can just fuck this smokin' body that was clearly made for fucking."

I think you have missed your vocation, you really should have been a comedy writer, but that dialogue is a bit ripe for US TV, but in the UK you would go down a treat, but would have to be restricted to after the watershed period, that is after 9 pm

[slenderfish]

SF writes: I then said "If you really want, of course we can just put a bag over your head and I can just fuck this smokin' body that was clearly made for fucking."

I think you have missed your vocation, you really should have been a comedy writer, but that dialogue is a bit ripe for US TV, but in the UK you would go down a treat, but would have to be restricted to after the watershed period, that is after 9 pm

Well, one thing SW and I have going for us is our senses of humor. We do make each other laugh! She has a special love for the dry and clever British humour; dare I say sardonic?

[Parsifal]

I said "I can certainly take care of you and fuck without considering your face" to which she kind of positively responded.

Step carefully here, SF.

I then said "If you really want, of course we can just put a bag over your head and I can just fuck this smokin' body that was clearly made for fucking."

She said that would be nice.

I said "Well, if your face is covered and you are anonymous, then you won't know if another man is here until his cock is inside of you. You might suddenly feel a different, thicker, longer, or bigger head, and realize it's someone else."

She said "You'd like that, wouldn't you?"

I said "Yes, of course. And you'd like that, too wouldn't you? A line of men, each waiting impatiently for his turn to use your hot body for his pleasure, imagining what kind of face is attached to it, envisioning their fantasy girl, and you are providing the body for it all. You work out so often and keep it hard and tight just for this kind of thing."

She chuckled and said something about my vivid imagination but she also responded physically and really got into the fucking at that point.

Gala and I love this kind of fantasy play during sex. Only remorse is so many ideas like that never leave the launch pad.

[slenderfish]

The rest of the details with Ms. H.

We were out to dinner that last night before returning to the U.S. the next day, mid-day. So we were comfortable staying out late this last night. We got a reservation at a good restaurant but not until 9 p.m. and filled the earlier time by having a cocktail at the home of Mr. and Ms. H, and touring it as they'd just moved in a few months prior.

Theirs was a house with a lot of personality. We were the three couples, same ones the prior week/weekend on the trip. The kids of Mr. and Ms. H were very polite and then went back to their activities.

Ms. H took SW and me into the more private areas of the house. They have a German-style sauna and she said something about not having tried the sauna yet, but with the right friends she would be up for it. Then she took us through her closet, and into the master bedroom. She waited until SW and I had seen the large tasteful photography art on the wall, which was a fully-nude black andwhite image of her from not many years back. Fabulous, just perfect breasts and contrast with the areolae and appropriately prominent nipples. Neatly trimmed pubic area.

She smiled and then exclaimed "Oh, I forgot about that, Mr. H will you hold the other couple back from this room?" SW smiled at her (I now know feigned) discomfort and said that I (SF) am harmless and certainly take it as the art it is intended to be. And complimented her on her beauty.

We completed the tour, had another round, and then headed to the restaurant.

It was a newer, hip restaurant. Well, not actually new, but recently relaunched with a new chef and menu. Making waves in the community as a hot place. The waiter doted on our table, a young man in his 20's. I would have done the same, considering the pretty women. Ms. H had controlled the reservation and organized the seating with the girls on the left side of the table, and guys on the right. SW and I were placed on either side of Ms. H.

As the dinner went along and the waiter kept coming over, we became the last table and it was clear the restaurant was starting to close down. The waiter continued to take orders for more wine, etc. At a certain point, it was obvious to me that the waiter was completely checking out Ms. H and she was subtly reveling in the attention, with Mr. H seemingly unaware or ignoring it. SW asked for a recommendation for a locally-produced wine in case the waiter had to go home, and he joked about drinking from two bottles at the same time. I took the opportunity to say that the girls at the table would gladly take whatever he might recommend, by the glass. He stopped at that question, hesitated a bit, and then disappeared. He returned with two additional glasses each for Ms. H and SW, from two of the finest bottles they offer. These "just happened" to be open and it would be a "shame to let them go overnight."

SW was pleased. Ms. H smiled. I quietly leaned over to her and thanked her for the wine. She said I should thank the waiter. I said that I know what she did and was doing, and that it was clearly her that attracted the special treatment. She gave me a second look and said "aren't you the quiet one who clearly runs deeper that I thought" and then made a similar comment to SW. She then glanced nervously over at her husband but he was engaged in conversation with the boyfriend of Ms. I.

I'll add a side note that Ms. I a few years back had told us that Ms. H was one to get into trouble. That this couple had moved to this city from a major European city about 10 years earlier, after Mr. H determined it best for his career. But the scuttlebutt is that Ms. H was too much of a party girl in that prior city and her shenanigans had started to impact the career of Mr. H. They moved for many reasons, including a "fresh start" in this more conservative area.

When we first met her over five years ago, introduced by Ms. I at her birthday party, she was really the life of the party and was appropriate but had a sexy edge to her. Over the years, she has tended to promulgate a relationship with SW and me. The last time we were in their city (over two years ago), we were over (again as the three couples) to their prior house for a dinner, and everyone went overboard with wine, we danced until 2:00 a.m on a weeknight, etc. I later observed to SW that I believe Ms. H has an agreement with Mr. H that she can relax and be herself with us, in that it has no possible crossover into his professional life, and that we are able to be dismissed in their social group as "those crazy Americans" etc. Seems this theory has legs.

Ms. H then quietly asked the waiter how he could be reached "to be able to know that he's on duty the next time" or some similar cover story. He slipped her a paper with writing on it. I just smiled at her and she smiled back.

And we finished the dinner, paid the bill, left an excessive tip, and closed out.

I have not yet told SW about all this.

[Tryn]

Mrs. H is sly! She didn’t forget about the nude picture of her on the wall. Not a chance! The sauna comment was clearly feeling you two out, most likely hoping for a signal of interest. Her husband clearly knows of her shenanigans if that’s truly why they moved. He’s playing it cool, pretending not to notice because 1) his wife is driving things 2) it gives him plausible deniability if someone questions him on it. All signs from Mrs. H and what you’ve heard about her lead to the same thing. My recommendation, try to get SW and Mrs. H to go on a trip together. Preferably some place with a beach and warm weather! Or try to get them to come to the states for a visit and offer they stay at your house for at least part of the time. This is a couple I believe you want to see without interference of others. SW will likely feel some comfort in knowing they’re likely just like the two of you. Good stuff!!

[solstice]

Do you think that SW sometimes feels resentment of being upstaged by some of her acquaintances, I get the feeling that she likes to be the centre of attention.

[slenderfish]

Do you think that SW sometimes feels resentment of being upstaged by some of her acquaintances, I get the feeling that she likes to be the centre of attention.

I was just thinking on this exact thing, earlier today. She disclaims being "the prettiest in the room" but she has this ego sitting underneath, that seems to always end up with the prettier of her (or our) girlfriends becoming "frienemies" as an eventuality.

If this becomes the cycle with Ms. H, it would not be unusual. But there is a lot of road to cover before that would or could happen. They have to first become full-on "besties" and get super close, then Ms. H will do something that offends or puts off SW, and then it goes from there.

I'm almost always able to remain on good terms with the woman but of course the social interaction is limited from that point forward.

I have a very good friend from before SW and I were dating and married, who finished a divorce about a couple of years before SW moved my direction from New York. By the time SW arrive, he was dating again and we even set him up with one or two women. He started dating another woman who didn't know his friends and wasn't aligned with anyone. SW also being new to the group, the two of them became fast friends and co-confidants. We were very close as couples for over around seven years, going on vacations together several times a year, etc. etc. But SW got fed up with this woman (it culminated while we were on vacation yet again with them in Morocco in the fall of 2019) and called it quits. It's put significant pressure on my friendship with the guy, even though we do still hang out often enough "as guys" etc. Suffice it to say that they are presently on an adventure in the Southern Mediterranean and we are home. And we did our Euro trip in September while they were home.

[slenderfish]

Mrs. H is sly! She didn’t forget about the nude picture of her on the wall. Not a chance! The sauna comment was clearly feeling you two out, most likely hoping for a signal of interest. Her husband clearly knows of her shenanigans if that’s truly why they moved. He’s playing it cool, pretending not to notice because 1) his wife is driving things 2) it gives him plausible deniability if someone questions him on it. All signs from Mrs. H and what you’ve heard about her lead to the same thing. My recommendation, try to get SW and Mrs. H to go on a trip together. Preferably some place with a beach and warm weather! Or try to get them to come to the states for a visit and offer they stay at your house for at least part of the time. This is a couple I believe you want to see without interference of others. SW will likely feel some comfort in knowing they’re likely just like the two of you. Good stuff!!

Let's hope! I'll assist this in playing out as best I'm able. Ms. I has started to push against SW and Ms. H getting any closer as friends. This is not unexpected from her. SW and I are kind of doing an "end around" with respect to that.

At the same time, Ms. I is all set to come to the U.S. next week, to visit us and to travel with me to Texas for meetings the following week. Traveling alone. We are merely waiting for permission/approval from DHS for an exception to the Covid-related travel ban from the EU to USA. That situation changes and opens up in November, but it's much better (for her) if she's here for meetings and important decisions in early October.

[slenderfish]

Yesterday she had her normal Wednesday private training session with Mr. G. I've been unusually busy (even for me!) and haven't had time to even try and watch her departing or returning from the training sessions.

On a side note, we are finally getting our kitchen appliances installed today (Thursday)! Part of the reason I was suddenly so tight on time was that on Monday the installers did a walk-through to plan the route to haul the appliances upstairs. While here they noted that the electrical outlet for the refrigerator was installed in the wrong place on the wall, that it needed to be moved up and across. I called for the electrician but not available this week. Rather than push back the installation, on Tuesday afternoon I cut out the drywall and drilled new paths through the framing for new romex to the new outlet location, converted the old outlet to a junction box, and rewired it up to the new outlet box. Tested as correct and working fine. Then replaced the drywall (with the new outlet box opening) and patched it all up with joint compound. Put the heater on it overnight and applied the second coat of (topping) joint compound yesterday (Wednesday) morning. I'll do final sanding and then primer coat of paint today, just before they install the refrigerator unit. All while the electricity was hot (no shocks received). Voila!

I was pleasantly surprised yesterday early afternoon when she returned from her training session and immediately sought me out at my desk to rub her sore and tight left trapezius muscle area. It was super tight and painful, according to her. While rubbing it I was behind and above her and realized that her sports top has a deep cleavage view. Also that she had on no bra and her breasts and nipples are so very prominent.

I asked her if Mr G. doesn't stretch her or otherwise assist with sore muscles. She said that today (yesterday) he was very short on time, with another client coming in immediately after, so she elected to stretch on her own, after.

When I finished with her shoulder area and she walked away, I marveled at her thin spandex covering that heart-shaped ass, and reflected that Mr. G. really should be thanking the workout gods for her.

[CuriousUK]

You’ve gotta love nicely defined traps (and the rest of her perfectly defined form )

[Mr Mrs Cream]

Yesterday she had her normal Wednesday private training session with Mr. G. I've been unusually busy (even for me!) and haven't had time to even try and watch her departing or returning from the training sessions.

When I finished with her shoulder area and she walked away, I marveled at her thin spandex covering that heart-shaped ass, and reflected that Mr. G. really should be thanking the workout gods for her.

You didn’t ask her why Mr. G did not streached her pussy instead of asking about muscles ;-)

After you did rub her sore muscle I don’t know why having such sexy body in hand you didn’t ask her for …

[slenderfish]

You’ve gotta love nicely defined traps (and the rest of her perfectly defined form )

Yes it was a great temptation to make a move on her right then and there, but I was working in my office and had deadlines and commitments, so it had to wait. It just became part of the build-up to our next encounter.