Her Plan to Dip Toe in Hotwife Water

[slenderfish]

We flew this morning to Portland. SW is co-hosting a baby shower for her (our) friend Ms. M. I have the assignment to make friends with her new husband while the girls are doing their thing.

Ms. M is the one who pushed SW to do the lap dancing and then pushed us to get the pole. And instructed SW on the pole dancing. She moved out of state in Nov 2020 and met a guy and got married and is now six months along with first child. We hosted the going away party for her at our house in October 2020, the one where SW stayed holed up in bed all night, and did not come out because Ms. K (of pantygate fame) was in attendance.

She basically is the first to get SW to break personal barriers regarding what SW always considered "slutty" behavior (even stuff that is not slutty but SW has an extra sensitivity for some reason).

I've written off and on about her on this string.

We're traveling back home on Monday.

Not sure what this weekend has in store for us. I'll find out soon enough!

[superb101]

Anything interesting happen in Portland?

[slenderfish]

Anything interesting happen in Portland?

Still here, it's our last night.

I do have some updates but just between me and SW, nobody outside of us. Very gratifying.

Also, some items posted in the Hotties section.

The details of the gratifying element when I have sufficient time to write it properly.

[CuriousUK]

You know we love to hear any updates about you guys, always enjoy following SW’s journey to full blown Hotwife (maybe ). Enjoy the trip my friend.

[RuleEmAll]

Pffff! Finally finished reading all 117 pages of this thread, it was a true roller-coaster ride! I think her getting therapy to deal with her childhood trauma is the key to your success! Thanks for sharing this information in full detail with us, it's really helpful.

[slenderfish]

This is probably a stupid question, but.......Do you really love SW? In the real romantic sense of the word. Or is she more like a comfortable pair of boots you love to wear? I'm sure I've probably missed it, but don't remember any where that it's ever been mentioned. There is lots of reasons why men and women stay in marriages where the real love is gone. Just curious.

Quite a question but nonetheless fair, based on my writings.

Yes, I'm hopelessly in love with her and fully devoted. I love to be in love with her.

This past weekend was our 13th anniversary and we really have grown closer over the past year or two. I do think the hotwife experience has proven to SW that I'm with her no matter what. She seems to have needed some kind of extra feeling of security and she now has it.

We had a wonderful time with each other, and as we were traveling home today, observed that we both expect this cycle will likely stand out as the most endearing and memorable wedding anniversary yet.

[CuriousUK]

Wonderful, that answer was perfection Sounds like a great way to celebrate your anniversary

[afagehi7]

This is probably a stupid question, but.......Do you really love SW? In the real romantic sense of the word. Or is she more like a comfortable pair of boots you love to wear? I'm sure I've probably missed it, but don't remember any where that it's ever been mentioned. There is lots of reasons why men and women stay in marriages where the real love is gone. Just curious.

Love and marriage means that it's not always exciting and romantic like in the beginning but you strive to have those moments from time to time. You become partners and best friends in addition to lovers. The one, and probably only, person you can count on when things get rough, and they'll get rough at some point.

Sure a new pair of boots is exciting and you'll be head over heels for them but in a year when the excitement cools will you love them as much as the boots you have now which you've worn for years and they have always been there and reliable? There's something to be said for the scuffs you've put on those old boots over the years which could never be replicated.

Too many crash and burn a marriage when things get rough and there's someone else exciting and new in the wings but rarely is that decision the right one.

I also believe we fall out of and back in love with our spouse many times throughout the years. People and circumstances change and we fall for them all over again.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think most of us with long marriages will somewhat agree. Ymmv

[hoping_she_will_1day]

I also believe we fall out of and back in love with our spouse many times throughout the years. People and circumstances change and we fall for them all over again.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think most of us with long marriages will somewhat agree. Ymmv

Undeniably true words here.

[Mr ablondemilf]

This is probably a stupid question, but.......Do you really love SW? In the real romantic sense of the word. Or is she more like a comfortable pair of boots you love to wear? I'm sure I've probably missed it, but don't remember any where that it's ever been mentioned. There is lots of reasons why men and women stay in marriages where the real love is gone. Just curious.

Quite a question but nonetheless fair, based on my writings.

Yes, I'm hopelessly in love with her and fully devoted. I love to be in love with her.

This past weekend was our 13th anniversary and we really have grown closer over the past year or two. I do think the hotwife experience has proven to SW that I'm with her no matter what. She seems to have needed some kind of extra feeling of security and she now has it.

We had a wonderful time with each other, and as we were traveling home today, observed that we both expect this cycle will likely stand out as the most endearing and memorable wedding anniversary yet.

Congratulations on 13 years of marriage. My wife and I will soon celebrate 43 years together, 20+ of those years she was an active HOTWIFE.

The key to a couple enjoying this lifestyle is a rock solid marriage, and it appears you two have that. It seems to me you are fine with her dipping more than just her toes in HOTWIFE waters, getting more experienced and comfortable with this lifestyle. If that is true, and you haven't outright told her, do so.

Will be looking forward to how your wife reacts and processes future opportunities in this lifestyle.

[BallSpanking]

Happy anniversary SF & SW!
May this year see your fantasies realized.

[CuriousUK]

I’m looking forward to your birthday almost as much as you are

[slenderfish]

I’m looking forward to your birthday almost as much as you are

Heh heh.

I need to start a conversation alluding to the "birthday wish" promise so that we are both on the same page. At this point I wonder if she thinks my birthday wish is for World Peace? Not really, but you get my point.

I kind of already started this conversation, over the weekend.

You'll see what I mean, when I post my summary.

[BallSpanking]

At this point I wonder if she thinks my birthday wish is for World Peace? Not really, but you get my point ... I kind of already started this conversation, over the weekend.

Well ..., for world peace, I can see where you would like her to do her part ... or rather, Mr G's

[XYAlpha]

Amazing that Fish wants someone else to wear his favorite boots!



XY

[CuriousUK]

I’m looking forward to your birthday almost as much as you are

Heh heh.

I need to start a conversation alluding to the "birthday wish" promise so that we are both on the same page. At this point I wonder if she thinks my birthday wish is for World Peace? Not really, but you get my point.

I kind of already started this conversation, over the weekend.

You'll see what I mean, when I post my summary.

Oh, she knows exactly what you wish for, but you know she’ll realise it in exactly the way that SHE wants (and you’ll love whatever that is) That incredible girl holds all the cards, and will do whatever she wants at whatever pace she wants, and you’ll adore her for it

[slenderfish]

So the trust and closeness you wrote about in your reply to me. Is that something that you think has happened over the last couple of years, or did things/conversations occur over the weekend to make you think that.
Anything you'd like to share with your nosy fans?

Yes, it's increased over the past couple of years. Kind of coming to fruition over the past three or four months, to be more precise.

I think it's really started to amplify with the assistance of the therapist. Rather than getting too much into the long slog of our childhoods, etc. the therapist is going straight to things that tend to block intimacy. She allows SW to bring something up but then quickly tells her that the bringing up of the matter is itself permission to release the energy around it, let it go, and move on.

And, from my seat, the therapist has been an effective cheerleader. I don't pay her extra money behind the scenes or anything, but she does consistently point out to SW my hard work and devotion to be a supportive husband who wants her to be happy and to have everything. This apparently has been sinking in over these months.

Finally, the very fact that we are attending these sessions regularly has itself demonstrated my and our commitment to each other and to improving our communication and the overall relationship. It's kind of like that muscle you start specifically training up; it gets activated, becomes stronger, and the cycle continues where it gets more activated, and even stronger.

[slenderfish]

At this point I wonder if she thinks my birthday wish is for World Peace? Not really, but you get my point ... I kind of already started this conversation, over the weekend.

Well ..., for world peace, I can see where you would like her to do her part ... or rather, Mr G's

Speaking of Mr. G, I'll begin my summary of the "breakthrough" over the weekend in Portland. Down below, in a separate post.

[BallSpanking]

She knows your birthday is upcoming, right?

[CuriousUK]

At this point I wonder if she thinks my birthday wish is for World Peace? Not really, but you get my point ... I kind of already started this conversation, over the weekend.

Well ..., for world peace, I can see where you would like her to do her part ... or rather, Mr G's

Speaking of Mr. G, I'll begin my summary of the "breakthrough" over the weekend in Portland. Down below, in a separate post.

Argh, cliffhanger, again...

[slenderfish]

Portland weekend mini-breakthrough, Part I.

Mr. G.

It was the morning of our anniversary and we'd been out late the night before, with friends in from Illinois, and a single friend who'd traveled up. The single friend is a cute blonde who has ongoing problems with her boyfriend and bent my ear all night, and got extra hammered. SW watched this girlfriend and kept her wine consumption at a minimum. The couple included Ms. M who also kept her drinking to a super minimum, as she is preggers.

Ms. M did not disappoint, but of course we were moving from bar to restaurant to bar to bar to restaurant, etc. She and SW regaled the new husband with stories of the pole dancing, the lap dancing, etc. The cute blonde was also at some of those parties in the Covid Summer of '20. These two girls were part of a three-girl group that SW had befriended, with the third girl being Ms. K (of pantygate). Ms. K remains at arm's length and essentially out of the picture, with respect to SW and Ms. M. I said that I'd get the pole back and installed, and that in the meantime we need to get the lap dances restarted. SW agreed.

Ms. M noted that the pregnancy has been, thus far, not too challenging and that she is just started to show in a big way. She and her new husband pointed to her breasts as having really grown. She almost pulled them out of her top right then and there, but a) they were too big and b) we were in a proper restaurant.

We started early and got back to our hotel room around midnight. Decided (without talking about it) to retire, with the expectation that the sexy time will be in the morning, after we sleep in a bit.

So to the actual story.

After waking up mid-morning, we went for coffee and breakfast, and back to the room around noon. We had plans to do a waterfall hike, etc. but SW did kind of purr and move to the bed before getting ready for the hike. I took the bait and also moved to the bed and started stroking her thighs and cheeks (the ones around the corner from the thighs). I commented on how much I love that ass, and that I'd like to see it more up close.

She replied that Mr. G has been working on her ass and that she's glad I like it. I said that I give him props and am so happy that he's into her ass and keeping it a world-class ass. That I fully support all the work he is able to do with her body. Etc. etc., this super innuendo that she was fully indulging and investing in.

I then asked her about her ass work with Mr. G. She said that he stretches her, his strong hands all over her, and that he watches closely as she does her workouts. That he had a program for her and it is a one-on-one private program he developed just for her.

I asked if she does squats as an ongoing and regular part of the workout. She said "Oh yes, Mr. G insists on the squats every time."

I asked her to tell me about the squats, in great detail.

She said the following:

- He barks orders for her to get in the proper position.

- She knows he requires her to keep her head up, her shoulders back, her abs tight, and her knees never in front of her toes.

- He counts the cadence as she lowers herself down to the bottom of the movement and then back up

- He watches and then tells her to go deeper as she gets into the rhythm

I asked her about the spandex she wears.

- She said she wears the spandex and it stretches tight over her ass as she lowers herself down

- She added, upon my inquiry about underwear, that she of course wears no underwear because of the lines and also because her pussy needs to breathe while working out. I never thought about the pussy breathing point.

I said that I think it's the hottest thing that she looks so fine with Mr. G. I said that I am certain Mr. G loves to watch her closely and watch her ass and the spandex over her ass stretching tightly and becoming more transparent as she lowers herself down, to the point that he can more clearly see through it and see the skin of her ass. I asked her if she thinks he is into it.

She said "Well, just look at his wife, he's totally an ass man."

I believe it's now queued up to the point that I will next tell her that I think she's been with him many years now, that they clearly are close, and that I would love it if she could look for openings to get even closer to Mr. G. For example, if his wife is out of town, etc.

She said she will definitely invite him to my upcoming birthday, that she's already mentioned it to him, and that he's desirous of attending.

My observation on the above is that this is the first time she actively portrayed Mr. G as engaged in her sexiness during the workouts. Until about six months ago, she would get very cross if I even mentioned Mr. G with any sexual or hotwife energy. This time, she played it up because she knows I like it.

Last night she retired a bit earlier than usual, noting that she "has Mr. G" later in the late morning tomorrow (today). I'm planning to get a look at her before she leaves, to perhaps find a way to provide an encouraging comment on what she is wearing.

Part II, Mr. B, to follow.

[slenderfish]

I'm going to make an observation about SW and Mr. G, and ask if you think it means anything.

Let's remind that SW has been with Mr. G as a private personal training client for at least five years now.

Coinciding roughly with the time she decided to "dip her toes into the hotwife water" she'd resumed working out regularly with Mr. G (after a Covid break), she began to share with me certain excerpts of their conversations. I'd assumed they'd become closer, and of course SW is a jabbermouth (I've seen her in action with hair dressers, nail people, etc.).

One change I noted has been that SW kind of looks to Mr. G as the "final word" on certain subjects. Around that time, this began to drift into conversations between SW and me. That is, if she was uncertain about something I'd said, it became subject to what Mr. G thinks. Some examples:

- Certain decisions I'd made regarding the house remodel

- Where she should take her car for service (note that she has from time to time asked him to help her in dropping her car for service, etc. rather than me).

- She now follows sports, for Mr. G's teams. Never before with my teams, still not any interest in my sports, etc.

And from time to time, when we are debating or discussing something, she'll basically say "let's just see what Mr. G thinks about that" as if he is to be the final word.

My point here is that she seems to be subtly cuckolding me in this respect. I wonder if it's a conscious thing?

I wonder what your take may be on this, my OHW friends?

[BallSpanking]

I think all of those clues indicate there is an interest there, some form of attraction. After all, you said when SW first met Mr G she told you she had met the most handsome black man she had ever seen. I take her at her word on that. However, their long time acquaintance, and the fact he has jealous wife, would weigh against them getting involved. There have been other clues as well. At some point you mentioned her paying attention to Mr G, and her response was "Oh, he gets plenty from me ..." (WTF ???), so it would appear there is at least some form of sexual tension between them, probably as yet unrealized.

You are a very observant guy, SF, and you know SW very well (hermetic though she is about certain things), and your deductions so far have been spot on. Trust your gut.

[afagehi7]

I'm going to make an observation about SW and Mr. G, and ask if you think it means anything.

Let's remind that SW has been with Mr. G as a private personal training client for at least five years now.

Coinciding roughly with the time she decided to "dip her toes into the hotwife water" she'd resumed working out regularly with Mr. G (after a Covid break), she began to share with me certain excerpts of their conversations. I'd assumed they'd become closer, and of course SW is a jabbermouth (I've seen her in action with hair dressers, nail people, etc.).

One change I noted has been that SW kind of looks to Mr. G as the "final word" on certain subjects. Around that time, this began to drift into conversations between SW and me. That is, if she was uncertain about something I'd said, it became subject to what Mr. G thinks. Some examples:

- Certain decisions I'd made regarding the house remodel

- Where she should take her car for service (note that she has from time to time asked him to help her in dropping her car for service, etc. rather than me).

- She now follows sports, for Mr. G's teams. Never before with my teams, still not any interest in my sports, etc.

And from time to time, when we are debating or discussing something, she'll basically say "let's just see what Mr. G thinks about that" as if he is to be the final word.

My point here is that she seems to be subtly cuckolding me in this respect. I wonder if it's a conscious thing?

I wonder what your take may be on this, my OHW friends?

I don't think it's deliberate... I think she's really into him and it's a natural extension of this. When a woman is crushing on a guy he can do no wrong. One example, playboyfan wife thought her new target guys admission that he has McMuffin wrappers in his car was cute and endearing... If it was me or someone she wasn't crushing on she'd think we were a fat slob with poor diet.. If G he wasn't married SW would have fucked him for sure with 100% confidence in this statement. I think her flirting with other attractive black guys is related to this too...kind of a substitute

Too bad she won't admit it

[CuriousUK]

Can’t imagine SW would particularly appreciate a ‘camel toe’ comment!