It might actually happen after years of telling me no.

[william70]

Congratulations are in order!! It will be interesting to see if S & L try to get together before she gets her period.

[MonaLisaOverdrive]

Congratulations are in order!! It will be interesting to see if S & L try to get together before she gets her period.

You think it will be interesting if his wife cheats on him? Considering what they've been through today, that seems pretty insensitive

[WannabeHusbandOfHW]

W,

I read your post about taking a break, so perhaps the following will be a moot point should you and Lana decide not to resume with Shawn. However, if you do resume with Shawn then you might want to consider the following hypothetical coming to fruition...

Lana works from home/works remote. Correct?

Have you considered the potential that after Shawn goes back to CA, Lana may have a desire to periodically fly out there and stay a week or two or more with Shawn. From the perspective of her job, the ability to work remote gives her the freedom to spend time in CA if that is something she wants.

Something to be prepared for should things resume with Shawn.

[fraktastic]

What william70 lacks in reading comprehension he makes up in enthusiasm.

Good luck, w770, we're all counting on you.

[whenwillshe]

Good for you W.
Hopefully you guys pulled the ripchord soon enough.
Let's see if Shawn honors her wishes.
I bet he tries to breaks through her wall so she needs to be strong.
Best wishes to you.

[KevDi69]

I’m glad you are planning on a weeklong break. Lana has a lot of broken trust to rebuild. You have expressed nothing but complete trust in her honesty and openness about her interactions with Shawn. But she started the fling with a big lie by omitting a key fact about their first sexual encounter. Let’s call it what it was - she cheated. You two planned for them to have sex, but she jumped the gun and lied about it. That calls into question all her other stories about their relationship. I hope she can rebuild the trust.

It may be a very hard week for you and things may trigger fears about what is going on. Every time you walk the dogs you may wonder if they sneak in a quickie, a text, or call each other. When she goes to the gym you may wonder if she is downstairs instead. Anytime you wake up as she is getting back into bed from going to the bathroom or getting a drink of water you will likely question whether she was covering up for a visit to him. Just be prepared for these feelings and how you will handle them so you and Lana can get through this as the loving couple you seem to be.

I’m wishing you two the best of luck.

[william70]

Congratulations are in order!! It will be interesting to see if S & L try to get together before she gets her period.

You think it will be interesting if his wife cheats on him? Considering what they've been through today, that seems pretty insensitive

Sorry. I didn't make my statement more clear. I didn't mean them cheating. If Lana came to W and said she wanted to fuck S before her period, would he be able to say no.

[hiki]

It is good you decided to call it off and take a break from Shawn. The small amount of extra information that came out about their first encounter is still puzzling. Did you yourself verify Shawn's clean report from the portal, and more specifically, does the date of the test match the timeline you got? For reference it should be dated one day after their first encounter which happened Tuesday November 29. The test should be dated Wednesday Nov 30th. If the test was done earlier, there may be still more revelations to come about how this all started.

[TheHammer]

The more I think of it, the more I believe Shawn gets his rocks off by breaking up marriages. First with treating her as a slut and getting her to tell him he’s better than W. Then the stares W described when Shawn was over. Then, having her suck his buddies cock at the party and then “making love” to her and coercing her to tell him she loves him and cancelling the threesome. All this time he was brainwashing and manipulating Lana and passively trying to anger W to get W to start fights with Lana. Breaking up marriages has to be a fetish of his. I am sure we could go back through the thread and find many more examples to support this theory.

For a young player, having amazing sex with a slightly older hot married woman who is willing to be your slut is about as good as it gets.

Best of luck W. Hope Lana opens up to you, so you can hear the full truth and work things out.

[TheHammer]

Duplicate post

[cpeater]

I've really been enjoying your story. Very intense. My wife and I have been through some similar stuff and it's all worked out in the end. I think you're on the right path at this point in time.

[mundyman]

Thanks for all of the advice and encouragement today. We took a longer lunch that we had originally planned, called off any work we had scheduled and spent the afternoon talking and making love. I'll address as many of the points made, sorry if I can't get to all of them, but I have read everything and shared the sentiments with Lana for feedback. Some of you are incredibly perceptive and made great points.

Update: There was talk about the first time Shawn fucked Lana and how there might be more of the story than she had me believe. I told her that I wouldn't judge her, but I needed to know if there was anything that I didn't know about it. As it turns out, there were details left out. She in fact did give him an invite up a few days before they did the deed. She told him at the gym one morning that I tend to take the dogs out after work around the same time every night and that I'm usually gone for about 20-30 minutes. So the evening it happened, she texted him the second I left the apartment. So it wasn't a surprise encounter, but instead, they both knew and planned for it to happen. However, as it happened in the way she told me was accurate - she blew him in the kitchen, he ate her pussy on the counter, and then bent her over and fucked her in the kitchen.

Another question I wanted to address was whether she felt guilt telling him that she loved him last night. I was curious about this too and when I asked her, she said that in the moment, no. But after she said it, yes. I didn't give a description of their love making last night but apparently, it was exclusively sweet and intense, but not the aggressive fucking that was common for them. They did it in mostly missionary and the lotus position (her on top while he sat up so they could make out while she grinded back and forth). They were in missionary when he said it first, and he withheld giving her an orgasm until she said it back to him. When she reciprocated, "I love you, Shawn" he responded by making her cum and kissing her passionately. Instead of moaning his name over and over, she told him she loved him while she was cumming, as she pulled him in as close and as tight as she could with her legs and arms. It wasn't until after their simultaneous orgasm faded did she feel the pangs of guilt over saying it to him.

Another point that needed addressing was the notion of him trying to get her to move out west to be with him or him moving here to the east coast so they could be together. He hasn't mentioned anything about this, however it's still been less than 24 hours since they said that they love each other, so he very well may have spent the day planning a future with her.

We've decided to call this weekend off entirely. She's texted him telling him that she wants to go no contact for a while and she'll reach back out to him at some point. He asked her why, to which she told him that things had gone further than she wanted it to go, and just left it at that. We're going to take it one day at a time, but ultimately, we're planning on seeing how we both feel in a week's time. This also works out in a way because in a week, she'll be on her period for 3 days, so it naturally extends the time they don't reconnect the bond that's made from sex. If I feel like she can have sex with him and have it just be about sex, I might be okay with it moving forward in that capacity until he leaves, but after that, it should end. Otherwise, it should just end altogether and we'll reassess our feelings at a later point. This also means that she won't be having sex with Eric as there's a connection to Shawn and if we end things with Shawn, we'd like for it to be a clean break entirely.

So that's the news for now. We spent some time this afternoon making love. She didn't moan his name or even mention anything related to Shawn, but I know we were both thinking about things other than the moment we were in. The feelings of today are still raw, but ultimately I know we'll be fine. It's just challenging when you're going through the moment to see past the moment.

We just ordered dinner and we'll probably discuss more later tonight, but as of now, it's nice having some quiet.

A wise choice indeed!!!!
No problem je ever regretted slowing down their journey through this lifestyle.
Every once in awhile you get to close to the fire and have to pull back and reassess before moving ahead.
I’m sure her phone is blowing up right now. Turn both your phones off for tonight.
I’m curious what other tidbit will come out as you continue to ask her about what her and Shawn were up to.
I wonder what the true setup might have been for the threesome.
Good luck!!!

[mundyman]

Thanks for all of the advice and encouragement today. We took a longer lunch that we had originally planned, called off any work we had scheduled and spent the afternoon talking and making love. I'll address as many of the points made, sorry if I can't get to all of them, but I have read everything and shared the sentiments with Lana for feedback. Some of you are incredibly perceptive and made great points.

Update: There was talk about the first time Shawn fucked Lana and how there might be more of the story than she had me believe. I told her that I wouldn't judge her, but I needed to know if there was anything that I didn't know about it. As it turns out, there were details left out. She in fact did give him an invite up a few days before they did the deed. She told him at the gym one morning that I tend to take the dogs out after work around the same time every night and that I'm usually gone for about 20-30 minutes. So the evening it happened, she texted him the second I left the apartment. So it wasn't a surprise encounter, but instead, they both knew and planned for it to happen. However, as it happened in the way she told me was accurate - she blew him in the kitchen, he ate her pussy on the counter, and then bent her over and fucked her in the kitchen.

Another question I wanted to address was whether she felt guilt telling him that she loved him last night. I was curious about this too and when I asked her, she said that in the moment, no. But after she said it, yes. I didn't give a description of their love making last night but apparently, it was exclusively sweet and intense, but not the aggressive fucking that was common for them. They did it in mostly missionary and the lotus position (her on top while he sat up so they could make out while she grinded back and forth). They were in missionary when he said it first, and he withheld giving her an orgasm until she said it back to him. When she reciprocated, "I love you, Shawn" he responded by making her cum and kissing her passionately. Instead of moaning his name over and over, she told him she loved him while she was cumming, as she pulled him in as close and as tight as she could with her legs and arms. It wasn't until after their simultaneous orgasm faded did she feel the pangs of guilt over saying it to him.

Another point that needed addressing was the notion of him trying to get her to move out west to be with him or him moving here to the east coast so they could be together. He hasn't mentioned anything about this, however it's still been less than 24 hours since they said that they love each other, so he very well may have spent the day planning a future with her.

We've decided to call this weekend off entirely. She's texted him telling him that she wants to go no contact for a while and she'll reach back out to him at some point. He asked her why, to which she told him that things had gone further than she wanted it to go, and just left it at that. We're going to take it one day at a time, but ultimately, we're planning on seeing how we both feel in a week's time. This also works out in a way because in a week, she'll be on her period for 3 days, so it naturally extends the time they don't reconnect the bond that's made from sex. If I feel like she can have sex with him and have it just be about sex, I might be okay with it moving forward in that capacity until he leaves, but after that, it should end. Otherwise, it should just end altogether and we'll reassess our feelings at a later point. This also means that she won't be having sex with Eric as there's a connection to Shawn and if we end things with Shawn, we'd like for it to be a clean break entirely.

So that's the news for now. We spent some time this afternoon making love. She didn't moan his name or even mention anything related to Shawn, but I know we were both thinking about things other than the moment we were in. The feelings of today are still raw, but ultimately I know we'll be fine. It's just challenging when you're going through the moment to see past the moment.

We just ordered dinner and we'll probably discuss more later tonight, but as of now, it's nice having some quiet.

A wise choice indeed!!!!
No problem je ever regretted slowing down their journey through this lifestyle.
Every once in awhile you get to close to the fire and have to pull back and reassess before moving ahead.
I’m sure her phone is blowing up right now. Turn both your phones off for tonight.
I’m curious what other tidbit will come out as you continue to ask her about what her and Shawn were up to.
I wonder what the true setup might have been for the threesome.
Good luck!!!

[shawnm]

What a Rollercoaster journey!

I somehow feel that:
- Shawn has definitely done slapping and choking (as against your rule). Check out with Lana.
- Lana may have done the deed even before the day she mentioned.
- Shawn may even have done some Anal play, I am sure. As Lana has withheld certain things and I feel this is something she may not want to let you know yet.
- Hope this goes the way you both intended it to originally.

[MonaLisaOverdrive]

I've really been enjoying your story. Very intense. My wife and I have been through some similar stuff and it's all worked out in the end. I think you're on the right path at this point in time.

I would really be interested in the similarities between what you've experienced and what has been going on with Lana and Shawn. I'm sure there were also some warning signs that would greatly benefit those of us that haven't experienced introducing a third that we can learn to watch out for. As someone whose wife is exploring flirting with other men, I'd love to know what signs to watch for if she ever indicated an interest to go further than flirting.

[JeffBingham]

OMG! What has happened to this thread? It’s turned from a fantasy cheerleading section into an angry Twitter mob full of conspiracy theories about how conniving Lana is. I think I’m the last person on OHW that anyone would ever call a cheerleader, but I think it’s gone off the deep end with predictions of catastrophe.

[Dahar]

The situation at present calls for all of us to perhaps do a bit less analysis , a bit less tossing our opinions into the ring as we project our desires and fears on the lives of two people exploring their sexuality. Those of us who have actually experienced what this couple has experienced understand the complexities of all of this - and understand that shit can go south or at least appear to go south without anyone being identified as the culprit, and then it can all turn around again with a light at the end of the tunnel and you're back in the game , albeit a bit older , more experienced from the journey and perhaps even wiser in your choices.I posted once on here before about choices , because my wife and I went through a very similar experience with our first bull.And although we decided to move on from him, we learned a lot from the experience and were able to make , next time around , I won't say a "better" choice in who we brought in, but a different choice.A choice where ,by the way, we surrendered very little of the sexual intensity of having an outside dominant male in our marriage- someone who physically rang all my wifes bells - but.. someone who remarkably was able to keep that sexual energy going even as we all three became very close friends. So.. that lasted for 5 years , what began as a "bull" relationship became a boy friend relationship, and by the time it ended due to Matthew's transfer overseas, it looked more like a polyamorous relationship with him as my wifes lover, and he and I as solid friends.And yeah, it wasn't always smooth sailing, but the communication between all three of us created the strong potential for working out the rough spots. And at days end, much of that credit I place on my wife who btw went thru in our first explorations/first bull , many of the same issues Lana has. And I credit Matthew,who felt being honest and direct was no small part of his dominant personality. We were lucky in all this , I know. But we also made decisions that were more informed for our needs as a couple after our first wild ride on the roller coaster. So to be clear , what I'm saying relative to the comments here is -- this is their journey, let's all continue to support them in their courage, and have some confidence that they will figure out what to be concerned about, and what to do with those concerns . Because when all is said and done , this wild ride has certainly been stimulating and entertaining, but all of us need to remind ourselves, these are two living breathing humans who don't exist solely for our entertainment .

[jasmineb87]

How you both feeling this morning?

[leander99]

All of this has been happening way too fast. This is no longer healthy, and it honestly probably never was.

It is no surprise she is beginning to feel that she "loves" S. They have been fucking multiple times a week for over a month. Sometimes "sneaking" out and sleeping in his apartment. This is all too much, and too fast. How could she not start feeling strong emotions for him? NRE or otherwise?

As for Shawn, he does not respect w770, and he does not respect w770 and Lana's marriage. Shawn still thinks she is cheating and he is very much trying to get pregnant behind w770's back. Moreover, he does not care about Lana and the long-term consequences this will have for her or her marriage. My fear is he will keep pushing until something breaks. Then he will dump Lana unceremoniously and move on. Honestly, S is an asshole, and will break up w770's marriage if he is not checked.

Now he wants to be the only one allowed to make love to Lana? So, this isn't about sex anymore, is it?

If w770 does allow this to continue, a clear "end-goal" should be set. Let it all end soon, when he moves back to California at the latest.
Shawn must also show respect to w770 marriage, and understand that he is fucking her only with w770's approval. If he cannot, let it all end here and now. No more cheating, no more mind games behind w770's back.

Shawn is not the right person for Lana. There are 18 billion people on this world, 350 million of them in the USA, and probably hundreds better men w700's neighborhood alone. Lana should consider moving on. She can still lead an amazing life as w770's hotwife, free to engage with any men she choses. As long as they respect her and w770's marriage.

[gulfcpl]

I agree with Leander. As I stated early on in this thread, dishonesty is not part of the hotwife lifestyle. Many prefer the “cheating wife” thing but it can come back and bite you in the butt. Non-lifestyle people simply don’t understand the concept of why a man would want his wife to fuck another man. Sometimes we don’t either but when it’s all out in the open, there are no secrets. Just my two cents.

[mundyman]

Good morning W. I hope you and Lana had a good night.
I hope you are taking all of our posts with a grain of salt as well as enjoying the wide spectrum of views shared.
Only you know all the details, everything that has been said, and the deeds done.
I’m sure you two will make the best choices for you.
Whether that involves Shawn Re-entering the picture or never again.
Good luck!!

[tojanman]

It was a good call to pull the plug. Shawn already had Lana physically and was slowly taking more and more of your wife emotionally.

It was time to re-establish the dominant relationship and reset his position in your lives. Now its time to see if Lana can cut the cord, and not have anymore late night trists or unplanned interactions.

[w770]

How you both feeling this morning?

Good thanks! We spend the night watching tv with the dogs on the couch and then had a long talk about everything in the last 24 hours and how we want to move forward. She's feeling a lot of regret for ever telling Shawn that she loves him and I told her that it wasn't anything we can't get past. I'm also glad that she was really honest and forthright as she told me that the sex they had was the best she's ever had, and she thinks she got caught up in the intensity of the orgasms he was giving her that played a part into thinking that she was in love. But she said that even the best sex in the world isn't worth giving up her marriage for, so if this is the end of Shawn's chapter for us, then she's fine with that. Honestly, I know it's only a matter of time before she'll physically crave something similar to what he was able to give her, but I'm just hoping that she doesn't give into that before he leaves for California, because I feel like if she legitimately cheated on me that this point with him, it would destroy me and our marriage.

She's blocked his number from her phone, and we're thinking of unblocking together and watching the avalanche of texts come pouring in at some point next week.

We also stayed up late last night making love. I told her that she could be completely honest with me and it wouldn't hurt my feelings. So she told me more about the other night when she snuck over his place. She said it was some of the best sex she's ever had, and from the moment he opened the door and greeted her in his boxer briefs, and she jumped into his arms wearing one of her pink silk nighties, they were all over each other. She told me that he would constantly stop either giving her oral sex or thrusting into her as soon as she would get close to having her first orgasm, and he would tease this out for almost a half an hour before she literally begged him to make her cum. It was maybe her third orgasm, where he was on top of her when he confessed his love for her, and got her to the precipice and again stopped until she looked in his eyes and told him the same when he kissed her and they came together. There was no talk about it being his pussy or how he fucks better than me. It was just them. It was the intimacy that they shared that turned me on enough to where I couldn't hold back any longer and I exploded inside of her. In an ideal world, Shawn would understand boundaries and the gift he was given so that we could continue this until he went back to California, and maybe he will come around to that with his being blocked from communicating with her, I really don't know.

All of this has been happening way too fast. This is no longer healthy, and it honestly probably never was.

It is no surprise she is beginning to feel that she "loves" S. They have been fucking multiple times a week for over a month. Sometimes "sneaking" out and sleeping in his apartment. This is all too much, and too fast. How could she not start feeling strong emotions for him? NRE or otherwise?

As for Shawn, he does not respect w770, and he does not respect w770 and Lana's marriage. Shawn still thinks she is cheating and he is very much trying to get pregnant behind w770's back. Moreover, he does not care about Lana and the long-term consequences this will have for her or her marriage. My fear is he will keep pushing until something breaks. Then he will dump Lana unceremoniously and move on. Honestly, S is an asshole, and will break up w770's marriage if he is not checked.

Now he wants to be the only one allowed to make love to Lana? So, this isn't about sex anymore, is it?

If w770 does allow this to continue, a clear "end-goal" should be set. Let it all end soon, when he moves back to California at the latest.
Shawn must also show respect to w770 marriage, and understand that he is fucking her only with w770's approval. If he cannot, let it all end here and now. No more cheating, no more mind games behind w770's back.

Shawn is not the right person for Lana. There are 18 billion people on this world, 350 million of them in the USA, and probably hundreds better men w700's neighborhood alone. Lana should consider moving on. She can still lead an amazing life as w770's hotwife, free to engage with any men she choses. As long as they respect her and w770's marriage.

It was said in here sometime yesterday that echoes what you're saying, that Shawn has a fetish for breaking up marriages, but I really can't tell if he's just a horny and stupid 25 year old kid that thinks he's in love or if he really does get off on driving a wedge between married people. But Lana and I agreed that if her and I are both ready at some point before he departs for California, and Shawn properly shows respect to our marriage, then we could see hypothetically them being together again but only if I'm there as well. I don't know if that will happen because of timing with work, her period, the week off we're planning on taking from him, his parents' return, how each of us feels in the moment, etc. but if it does, it will likely be a send off of sorts as we're planning on ending all communication with him after that.

[w770]

Good morning W. I hope you and Lana had a good night.
I hope you are taking all of our posts with a grain of salt as well as enjoying the wide spectrum of views shared.
Only you know all the details, everything that has been said, and the deeds done.
I’m sure you two will make the best choices for you.
Whether that involves Shawn Re-entering the picture or never again.
Good luck!!

Good morning! We went to the gym earlier together and she watched me cold plunge into the ocean (even though I now have my own ice bath on the balcony. There's just something about the waves that makes it feel more intense), we grabbed coffee (or rather she did while I waited outside) and we spent the rest of the morning just talking - not even about Shawn necessarily. Date night in the city tonight and then NYE with her family tomorrow. I think it's a good distraction, but ultimately, I know we're going to have to go into more details about the last month and if there's anything she hasn't told me, either intentionally or mistakenly. But I'm just trying to enjoy the moment for now.

I went over all of the posts and really appreciate everyone's perspectives. Some people here are incredibly perceptive and as much as I like to think I'm good at spotting red flags, I guess it's good to have others checking your blinds spots.

It was a good call to pull the plug. Shawn already had Lana physically and was slowly taking more and more of your wife emotionally.

It was time to re-establish the dominant relationship and reset his position in your lives. Now its time to see if Lana can cut the cord, and not have anymore late night trists or unplanned interactions.

I tend to get up randomly in the middle of the night to take a piss or sometimes our dogs will wake me up for whatever reason, and last night was no different. But each time I was up, she was sound asleep next to me. So at least there's one night she was able to stay strong.

[Wifesharing]

Hey good for you two yeah take some time just you two no need to talk about him at all the next few days

Spotting red flags are much easier when you are not deep in it yourself so don’t at all be worried you missed some things we all do. Sometimes this desire we have here causes us to miss things even on purpose