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Sorry about my previous post. I wrote it after reading the previous page, not realizing that there was another page of comments. I think it is so hot that you expose yourself so much to her about your thoughts and vulnerabilities regarding this. She rules, what a precious woman you have there.
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Thank you, you as well! It's been really difficult in light of losing our older dog, so the progression with our relationship with Shawn have been a good distraction for lack of a better word. We're also planning on a baby-moon soon just to get a change of scenery, and will be back on the 12th, just in time for Shawn's arrival.venus-can99 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:07 amGreat updates W and Lana. Looking forward to reading more when Shawn gets here and the best of the Holiday Season to all 3 of you
I really don't think Shawn would mind, but Lana is really weary of that sort of stuff being online so it's unlikely that she'll be okay with that. I'll ask again today but I'm just trying to manage expectations.rascalnvixen wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:18 amW, Just to let you know, there are folks here that don't comment much but still enjoy your posts all the same. Such a hot and enticing thread. I do have a question. When Shawn arrives for his visit and the three of you enjoy the sexual highs of their coupling, do you think there is any possibility of you taking and posting some anonymous pics of them? Your descriptions of Lana are so compelling that I sometimes feel like her cuck by denying us any image of such a HOT woman!!
You keep posting and I'll keep reading and imagining!!!!
Rascal
It's a bit like the time when she went with me to the place I go to get my haircut. It's primarily other guys and she found it interesting how guys interact in that sort of setting, and she's glad I have places like that to express that side of myself. So like that, this page has been a similar outlet for me. She finds it interesting and has me update her from time to time, but mostly she's just glad it exists for my mental health.gesdell wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:24 amSorry about my previous post. I wrote it after reading the previous page, not realizing that there was another page of comments. I think it is so hot that you expose yourself so much to her about your thoughts and vulnerabilities regarding this. She rules, what a precious woman you have there.
Moving the Christmas decorations from the garage to the apartment today. It reminded me of last year and how Shawn helped me take some of the boxes upstairs and we all spent some time getting to know each other. I asked Shawn if he remembered that and he said "Absolutely. Lana was wearing a Weezer T-shirt without a bra and I wanted so badly to fuck the shit out of her."
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W770 - Sounds like a Kodak moment.w770 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:05 amThank you, you as well! It's been really difficult in light of losing our older dog, so the progression with our relationship with Shawn have been a good distraction for lack of a better word. We're also planning on a baby-moon soon just to get a change of scenery, and will be back on the 12th, just in time for Shawn's arrival.venus-can99 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:07 amGreat updates W and Lana. Looking forward to reading more when Shawn gets here and the best of the Holiday Season to all 3 of you
I really don't think Shawn would mind, but Lana is really weary of that sort of stuff being online so it's unlikely that she'll be okay with that. I'll ask again today but I'm just trying to manage expectations.rascalnvixen wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:18 amW, Just to let you know, there are folks here that don't comment much but still enjoy your posts all the same. Such a hot and enticing thread. I do have a question. When Shawn arrives for his visit and the three of you enjoy the sexual highs of their coupling, do you think there is any possibility of you taking and posting some anonymous pics of them? Your descriptions of Lana are so compelling that I sometimes feel like her cuck by denying us any image of such a HOT woman!!
You keep posting and I'll keep reading and imagining!!!!
Rascal
It's a bit like the time when she went with me to the place I go to get my haircut. It's primarily other guys and she found it interesting how guys interact in that sort of setting, and she's glad I have places like that to express that side of myself. So like that, this page has been a similar outlet for me. She finds it interesting and has me update her from time to time, but mostly she's just glad it exists for my mental health.gesdell wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:24 amSorry about my previous post. I wrote it after reading the previous page, not realizing that there was another page of comments. I think it is so hot that you expose yourself so much to her about your thoughts and vulnerabilities regarding this. She rules, what a precious woman you have there.
Moving the Christmas decorations from the garage to the apartment today. It reminded me of last year and how Shawn helped me take some of the boxes upstairs and we all spent some time getting to know each other. I asked Shawn if he remembered that and he said "Absolutely. Lana was wearing a Weezer T-shirt with a bra and I wanted so badly to fuck the shit out of her."
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S82 - I try. I'll always try to see humour wherever I can. There's waaay to much of the other on this poor old planet.
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I so agree with you!!!Long Lurker 34 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 11:44 amS82 - I try. I'll always try to see humour wherever I can. There's waaay to much of the other on this poor old planet.
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Update: It was a window of time where Shawn, Lana, and myself had some free time so we all got on a video call. He stripped naked as did Lana, while I took off my shirt and went down on Lana. "Lick her pussy because I told you to. Make her know how much I want her." "Fuck Shawn.... I want you so bad...."
They went on like this for 15 minutes before they both came, each of them screaming each other's name.
I still haven't cum in several days. I feel like I'm going crazy.
Afterwards, Shawn texted me with a picture of his cock. "You ready to stroke this and put it in that sexy wife of yours?" "Yeah. I'm ready."
They went on like this for 15 minutes before they both came, each of them screaming each other's name.
I still haven't cum in several days. I feel like I'm going crazy.
Afterwards, Shawn texted me with a picture of his cock. "You ready to stroke this and put it in that sexy wife of yours?" "Yeah. I'm ready."
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Oh, my…..just fucking wow!!!!
Have you asked Lana if she would like something from you to commemorate their one-year anniversary? I think she might really appreciate it and I feel it would turn her on beyond belief.
Thanks.
Have you asked Lana if she would like something from you to commemorate their one-year anniversary? I think she might really appreciate it and I feel it would turn her on beyond belief.
Thanks.
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Having followed your story for a year now (you started it exactly a year ago to the day), what I've enjoyed most is the complete destruction of your limits.
At the start, you were dead against many things including the idea of creampie cleanup, chastity and anything remotely bi.
You learned to enjoy eating creampies pretty early on, I believe you've cleaned both Shawn's and Eric's cum from Lana's pussy while they watched?
To quote you on the subject of eating a creampie before you tried it:
You also recently admitted that in the heat of the moment, you might be tempted to handle Shawn's cock.
If you don't cum for 3 weeks, I'd say you might even be tempted to join Lana in sucking Shawn's cock with maybe some cum kisses or swapping afterwards, especially if he tells you to.
Is the idea even slightly tempting right now?
At the start, you were dead against many things including the idea of creampie cleanup, chastity and anything remotely bi.
You learned to enjoy eating creampies pretty early on, I believe you've cleaned both Shawn's and Eric's cum from Lana's pussy while they watched?
To quote you on the subject of eating a creampie before you tried it:
Given that you're currently fighting the urge to cum for 3 weeks, how long will it be before the idea of a chastity cage starts to seem like a good idea?
You also recently admitted that in the heat of the moment, you might be tempted to handle Shawn's cock.
If you don't cum for 3 weeks, I'd say you might even be tempted to join Lana in sucking Shawn's cock with maybe some cum kisses or swapping afterwards, especially if he tells you to.
Is the idea even slightly tempting right now?
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Wow... he is really playing this well. Glad all 3 of you are enjoying this so much and thanks for sharing it!
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Hi w770 (and Lana).w770 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:20 pmWe just finished up our time with Shawn for the night and I'll hand Lana my phone for a bit and then I'll give the update.Mlv4 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 5:04 pmHi, W. Didn’t think your situation could get any hotter, but in three weeks it will turn absolutely volcanic.
After his folks leave for Florida, do you anticipate Shawn spending most if not every night in your marital bed with Lana? Given the aroused state Lana is in this evening, would she be willing to discuss with Shawn on the chat tonight some of the things she wants him to do to her and tell him how much she loves him as you listen in?
Lana - Hi everyone! I've read most of the comments and W says he is very much indebted to this page for the advice. Okay, so the question is what I would want Shawn to do to me and whether I would want W to listen in on it. Well.... Shawn has been my favorite lover over the past year. He's physically made me feel things that I never thought were possible and we have a connection that is hard for me to explain. If the question is what I want him to do to me, I would hav eto say that I would wish for him to keep doing whatever he does for me when we've been together. He gives me full body orgasms like I've never felt before, and for all the men out there - women have clitoral orgasms and full body orgasms. Full bodied orgasms are rare and Shawn is able to get me there consistently. You also asked whether I would want W to listen in on how much I love Shawn. This is a diffuclt question. I get a lot of my pleasure knowing that W is turned on by the entire expreience, and that includes me being in love with Shawn. So if he gets turned on by hearing how much I love Shawn, I will absolutely be lloud enough for him to hear and feel it, because that is what he likes. Okay, bye for now!
It's so great that you've been giving us so many answers and updating us so often these past few days. Thank you so much for sharing that much. And it was great to hear from Lana too. Her input can only add to the value of this thread.
In response to Lana:
I am not expecting a reply to this post from you [Lana] as I know this thread is Ws project. However I would still like to convey my thanks to you (whether directly or through W) for sharing your thoughts and feelings on some of the matters that W and random people on the internet are discussing.
I hope you and the baby are well and continue to do well. It is not easy carrying a new life inside yourself with the changes, responsibilities and stress that arise as a result. But from what W tells us you are very driven and dedicated to ready for the next stage.
Some well meaning thoughts from my SO's and I experience with our first together (her second). There is no such thing as perfect. You can try to be as ready as you can but you still won't be (completely). That does not mean you shouldn't still try to be ready, you still need to try to be (which I think you and W are doing). Now you can try to plan everything thing out, to try to make things go a certain way, but in the end things will probably not go the way you expected. So try be the best you can be and don't worry about trying to be perfect.
In that there is also another important person to remember: yourself. It is very easy to forget yourself in all that will be happening and focus just on the beautiful new life you (both of you - but you [Lana] will have done most of the heavy lifting) you have brought into this world and making things work as a family. I can't tell you not to, but try to remember to keep a balance. You have had a transformative year and you may feel you have to give everything up, or not... There is no right way to do it. You have to figure that out as you go. Don't judge yourself by other people's morals. Hold true to your own ethics. Be the best you can be, don't try to be some impossible perfect or end up losing touch with yourself. Make sure W is doing his fair share of the work (it's 2023, not 1953). And I'm sure you will be a great mother. Good luck!
Now, onto the serious business. As I stated in the beginning, I am not writing this with the expectation of a response. So this part should be regarded as more of a provocation to thought. Be forewarned, I will be speculating a bit (or a lot).
By your own admission, you are in love with Shawn. Feelings that I think may have taken less than a month to start (from when you first invited him over while W was walking the dogs). To be fair, I don't think that was the same as what you feel now - and that is going to be an important point I am going to make.
When Shawn left for California, you compartmentalized those feelings. They went in a mental box and stayed there, mostly.. Maybe you would revisit those thoughts and emotions in you own mind, but you didn't let them out, express them. However, those feelings didn't go away. They were still there.
Jump to after the summer and there have been the experiences with the French guy and Adam (and Evan) (and I don't remember right now if there were others)... And then a chance to reconnect with Shawn arises and it is seized upon! Those feelings that were compartmentalized away could finally come out. And did. The fucking and love-making were incredible, and that connection was back. You did activities (other than sex) together, socialized with friends of Shawn together, and engaged in some social activities that included sex with another couple that are friends of Shawn (swapped partners).
So what effect did those (was it Friday night, Saturday, Sunday, Monday and to Tuesday evening?) 4.5(?) days have on your [Lana] feelings for Shawn? Because I don't think you felt the same when you arrived in California as when you left. That connection and those feelings (of love) GREW. To the point where you felt jealousy at seeing Shawn having sex with another woman (and, not irrelevant to note, he felt the same seeing you with another man, but we are focused on you right now). To the point where you two discussed a significant change in your relationship (though Shawn brought it up and it was considered unfeasible, but it was discussed and not outright shot down). And it's not just the confessions of love, it's also the whispering, giggling, kissing, cuddling and the way in which you hold him and pull him tight into you while he's making love to you that also give it away.
After you came back, those feelings were compartmentalized again. Maybe you were also concerned about hurting W more by not keeping them locked away. Shawn, W and you played together on video calls once in a while, but on the whole you focused on you pregnancy and the baby that would be coming (and, to be clear, that is an absolutely acceptable thing to focus on).
But now that Shawn is coming back in a few weeks, those compartmentalized feelings aren't so compartmentalized anymore. And you are becoming more willing to admit those feelings (or finding it harder to hide them?) and discuss them. It probably has also helped a lot that W has overcome his initial shock (and hurt) from witnessing you and Shawn making love and is now aroused by it instead. Making it much easier to discuss without fear of hurting W. And you sound eager to be able to express those feelings again while sharing their sexual personification with Shawn (making love). But this this wouldn't just be a performance, but real too, no? Would I be right in surmising that being able to say you love him [Shawn] while making love makes the love-making better and the orgasms more intense? Is it only as long as W gets pleasure from it? Or if you felt you could be more free in expressing your feelings of love for Shawn, would you do it more? Or differently?
Now to come back around to the point I mentioned earlier that I wanted to make. In all likelihood you [Lana] will be having more sex with Shawn (including love-making) after he arrives than with W. That means you will be connecting sexually more with Shawn in addition to resuming that special connection the two of you have that you can't quite explain. That means opportunities for that connection and those feelings (of love [for Shawn]) to grow. And for closer to 20 days rather than the 4.5 days you were in California. Are you aware of that possibility? Are you aware of that probability? Is W aware?
There is even the idea floating around this thread of W being denied sex while Shawn is here. What kind of influence would that have on the continuing development of your feelings for Shawn? Realistically I don't think W would be able to hold out (sorry W, it's not that I don't believe in you [W], I do, but when it comes to this I think you [W] have a deep need to reconnect with Lana, and there's nothing wrong with that). I figure he [W] would need to reclaim/reconnect with you [Lana] after a few days, a week tops. Will you be loving both of your men in each their own way? Will you only be controlled by the boundaries that are set (though adjustable by W)? Will you have to be surpressing (edit: replaces the word 'surprising' which was wrong in this context) some of your feelings? Would that be fair to you?
How do you feel about your connection and feelings of love for Shawn to grow/deepen? Are you ok with it happening? Do you want that, maybe? Ever the reasoner and compartmentalizer, do you think you can prevent it? Or do you think you could still compartmentalize those stronger/deeper feelings? And what happens after, when Shawn goes back, when the connection and feelings are stronger? Do you want it to continue? If things were less complicated with a baby on the way, would you want it to continue? Or would you want something different, something more?
To clarify again, I'm not trying to be offensive, but I am trying to be provocative to generate thought and discussion on the matter. And I feel like I have gone on far too long. So, all the best until next time.
Edit: replaced an wrong word that was wrong in the context of a sentence
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This is such a substantive and thoughtful post that I'll have Lana look at it and respond to it tomorrow barring any bouts of morning sickness.3532734dreamer wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:25 pmHi w770 (and Lana).w770 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:20 pmWe just finished up our time with Shawn for the night and I'll hand Lana my phone for a bit and then I'll give the update.Mlv4 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 5:04 pmHi, W. Didn’t think your situation could get any hotter, but in three weeks it will turn absolutely volcanic.
After his folks leave for Florida, do you anticipate Shawn spending most if not every night in your marital bed with Lana? Given the aroused state Lana is in this evening, would she be willing to discuss with Shawn on the chat tonight some of the things she wants him to do to her and tell him how much she loves him as you listen in?
Lana - Hi everyone! I've read most of the comments and W says he is very much indebted to this page for the advice. Okay, so the question is what I would want Shawn to do to me and whether I would want W to listen in on it. Well.... Shawn has been my favorite lover over the past year. He's physically made me feel things that I never thought were possible and we have a connection that is hard for me to explain. If the question is what I want him to do to me, I would hav eto say that I would wish for him to keep doing whatever he does for me when we've been together. He gives me full body orgasms like I've never felt before, and for all the men out there - women have clitoral orgasms and full body orgasms. Full bodied orgasms are rare and Shawn is able to get me there consistently. You also asked whether I would want W to listen in on how much I love Shawn. This is a diffuclt question. I get a lot of my pleasure knowing that W is turned on by the entire expreience, and that includes me being in love with Shawn. So if he gets turned on by hearing how much I love Shawn, I will absolutely be lloud enough for him to hear and feel it, because that is what he likes. Okay, bye for now!
It's so great that you've been giving us so many answers and updating us so often these past few days. Thank you so much for sharing that much. And it was great to hear from Lana too. Her input can only add to the value of this thread.
In response to Lana:
I am not expecting a reply to this post from you [Lana] as I know this thread is Ws project. However I would still like to convey my thanks to you (whether directly or through W) for sharing your thoughts and feelings on some of the matters that W and random people on the internet are discussing.
I hope you and the baby are well and continue to do well. It is not easy carrying a new life inside yourself with the changes, responsibilities and stress that arise as a result. But from what W tells us you are very driven and dedicated to ready for the next stage.
Some well meaning thoughts from my SO's and I experience with our first together (her second). There is no such thing as perfect. You can try to be as ready as you can but you still won't be (completely). That does not mean you shouldn't still try to be ready, you still need to try to be (which I think you and W are doing). Now you can try to plan everything thing out, to try to make things go a certain way, but in the end things will probably not go the way you expected. So try be the best you can be and don't worry about trying to be perfect.
In that there is also another important person to remember: yourself. It is very easy to forget yourself in all that will be happening and focus just on the beautiful new life you (both of you - but you [Lana] will have done most of the heavy lifting) you have brought into this world and making things work as a family. I can't tell you not to, but try to remember to keep a balance. You have had a transformative year and you may feel you have to give everything up, or not... There is no right way to do it. You have to figure that out as you go. Don't judge yourself by other people's morals. Hold true to your own ethics. Be the best you can be, don't try to be some impossible perfect or end up losing touch with yourself. Make sure W is doing his fair share of the work (it's 2023, not 1953). And I'm sure you will be a great mother. Good luck!
Now, onto the serious business. As I stated in the beginning, I am not writing this with the expectation of a response. So this part should be regarded as more of a provocation to thought. Be forewarned, I will be speculating a bit (or a lot).
By your own admission, you are in love with Shawn. Feelings that I think may have taken less than a month to start (from when you first invited him over while W was walking the dogs). To be fair, I don't think that was the same as what you feel now - and that is going to be an important point I am going to make.
When Shawn left for California, you compartmentalized those feelings. They went in a mental box and stayed there, mostly.. Maybe you would revisit those thoughts and emotions in you own mind, but you didn't let them out, express them. However, those feelings didn't go away. They were still there.
Jump to after the summer and there have been the experiences with the French guy and Adam (and Evan) (and I don't remember right now if there were others)... And then a chance to reconnect with Shawn arises and it is seized upon! Those feelings that were compartmentalized away could finally come out. And did. The fucking and love-making were incredible, and that connection was back. You did activities (other than sex) together, socialized with friends of Shawn together, and engaged in some social activities that included sex with another couple that are friends of Shawn (swapped partners).
So what effect did those (was it Friday night, Saturday, Sunday, Monday and to Tuesday evening?) 4.5(?) days have on your [Lana] feelings for Shawn? Because I don't think you felt the same when you arrived in California as when you left. That connection and those feelings (of love) GREW. To the point where you felt jealousy at seeing Shawn having sex with another woman (and, not irrelevant to note, he felt the same seeing you with another man, but we are focused on you right now). To the point where you two discussed a significant change in your relationship (though Shawn brought it up and it was considered unfeasible, but it was discussed and not outright shot down). And it's not just the confessions of love, it's also the whispering, giggling, kissing, cuddling and the way in which you hold him and pull him tight into you while he's making love to you that also give it away.
After you came back, those feelings were compartmentalized again. Maybe you were also concerned about hurting W more by not keeping them locked away. Shawn, W and you played together on video calls once in a while, but on the whole you focused on you pregnancy and the baby that would be coming (and, to be clear, that is an absolutely acceptable thing to focus on).
But now that Shawn is coming back in a few weeks, those compartmentalized feelings aren't so compartmentalized anymore. And you are becoming more willing to admit those feelings (or finding it harder to hide them?) and discuss them. It probably has also helped a lot that W has overcome his initial shock (and hurt) from witnessing you and Shawn making love and is now aroused by it instead. Making it much easier to discuss without fear of hurting W. And you sound eager to be able to express those feelings again while sharing their sexual personification with Shawn (making love). But this this wouldn't just be a performance, but real too, no? Would I be right in surmising that being able to say you love him [Shawn] while making love makes the love-making better and the orgasms more intense? Is it only as long as W gets pleasure from it? Or if you felt you could be more free in expressing your feelings of love for Shawn, would you do it more? Or differently?
Now to come back around to the point I mentioned earlier that I wanted to make. In all likelihood you [Lana] will be having more sex with Shawn (including love-making) after he arrives than with W. That means you will be connecting sexually more with Shawn in addition to resuming that special connection the two of you have that you can't quite explain. That means opportunities for that connection and those feelings (of love [for Shawn]) to grow. And for closer to 20 days rather than the 4.5 days you were in California. Are you aware of that possibility? Are you aware of that probability? Is W aware?
There is even the idea floating around this thread of W being denied sex while Shawn is here. What kind of influence would that have on the continuing development of your feelings for Shawn? Realistically I don't think W would be able to hold out (sorry W, it's not that I don't believe in you [W], I do, but when it comes to this I think you [W] have a deep need to reconnect with Lana, and there's nothing wrong with that). I figure he [W] would need to reclaim/reconnect with you [Lana] after a few days, a week tops. Will you be loving both of your men in each their own way? Will you only be controlled by the boundaries that are set (though adjustable by W)? Will you have to be surprising some of your feelings? Would that be fair to you?
How do you feel about your connection and feelings of love for Shawn to grow/deepen? Are you ok with it happening? Do you want that, maybe? Ever the reasoner and compartmentalizer, do you think you can prevent it? Or do you think you could still compartmentalize those stronger/deeper feelings? And what happens after, when Shawn goes back, when the connection and feelings are stronger? Do you want it to continue? If things were less complicated with a baby on the way, would you want it to continue? Or would you want something different, something more?
To clarify again, I'm not trying to be offensive, but I am trying to be provocative to generate thought and discussion on the matter. And I feel like I have gone on far too long. So, all the best until next time.
Update: So Cory (Cara's estranged husband) wants to work things out and see if they can fix the marriage. However, Cara really wants to hold off until she gets to experience Shawn and maybe even Eric. Honestly, I don't know if they have a future after Cara goes down this path, and if Cory ever finds out about it, I feel like it will destroy him.
In Shawn news, he texted into the chat with Lana and myself that the girl he's semi-regularly seeing just left. "Fucked her good, but thought of my Lana the entire time. I only want to make love with you, Lana." Lana responded, "Saving myself for you, love."
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Re the anniversary present - another idea. How about you treat Lana and Shawn to an erotic boudoir professional photoshoot for the two of them? It could be as tasteful and explicit at they like. As well as producing plenty of sexy digitial imagery, you could get a glossy album (fulfilling the paper anniversary idea) to look back on in years to come.
Re the Cary thing - it might be great fantasy of hers and even Lana’s but is it worth potentially wrecking the precious three weeks you have coming? At the very least, it’d may cause some jealousies all round, not forgetting your own as well W.
Re the Cary thing - it might be great fantasy of hers and even Lana’s but is it worth potentially wrecking the precious three weeks you have coming? At the very least, it’d may cause some jealousies all round, not forgetting your own as well W.
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I understand Shawn is likely to spend some time in your apartment once his parents have gone to Florida. Given that you and he have been talking about the time he stood naked in front of you, his dick still slick with his cum and Lana's lubrication, I wonder if he has a mind to replay that incredibly erotic scenario. If that were to happen, I wonder if the outcome might be different. And if that were to be the case, what might Lana think.
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Now you have me curious, too!octavian wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 4:20 amI understand Shawn is likely to spend some time in your apartment once his parents have gone to Florida. Given that you and he have been talking about the time he stood naked in front of you, his dick still slick with his cum and Lana's lubrication, I wonder if he has a mind to replay that incredibly erotic scenario. If that were to happen, I wonder if the outcome might be different. And if that were to be the case, what might Lana think.
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Hi everyone! Lana here. W told me that there was a really involved question that would be better if I answered rather than him so I'm going to answer as much as I can while I can. We have morning chores to do! First off, thank you for the kind words! I've always wanted to be a mom and W is going to be the best dad in the world. He's already doing more than his fair share as he does all of the cleaning, most of the cooking, handles everything with the dogs (well, the one dog now... so sad), the bills, the furniture building for the baby, and everything else I can imagine. I'm super lucky and all of my friends and family constantly remind me how I hit the lottery with him.3532734dreamer wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:25 pmHi w770 (and Lana).w770 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:20 pmWe just finished up our time with Shawn for the night and I'll hand Lana my phone for a bit and then I'll give the update.Mlv4 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 5:04 pmHi, W. Didn’t think your situation could get any hotter, but in three weeks it will turn absolutely volcanic.
After his folks leave for Florida, do you anticipate Shawn spending most if not every night in your marital bed with Lana? Given the aroused state Lana is in this evening, would she be willing to discuss with Shawn on the chat tonight some of the things she wants him to do to her and tell him how much she loves him as you listen in?
Lana - Hi everyone! I've read most of the comments and W says he is very much indebted to this page for the advice. Okay, so the question is what I would want Shawn to do to me and whether I would want W to listen in on it. Well.... Shawn has been my favorite lover over the past year. He's physically made me feel things that I never thought were possible and we have a connection that is hard for me to explain. If the question is what I want him to do to me, I would hav eto say that I would wish for him to keep doing whatever he does for me when we've been together. He gives me full body orgasms like I've never felt before, and for all the men out there - women have clitoral orgasms and full body orgasms. Full bodied orgasms are rare and Shawn is able to get me there consistently. You also asked whether I would want W to listen in on how much I love Shawn. This is a diffuclt question. I get a lot of my pleasure knowing that W is turned on by the entire expreience, and that includes me being in love with Shawn. So if he gets turned on by hearing how much I love Shawn, I will absolutely be lloud enough for him to hear and feel it, because that is what he likes. Okay, bye for now!
It's so great that you've been giving us so many answers and updating us so often these past few days. Thank you so much for sharing that much. And it was great to hear from Lana too. Her input can only add to the value of this thread.
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I am not expecting a reply to this post from you [Lana] as I know this thread is Ws project. However I would still like to convey my thanks to you (whether directly or through W) for sharing your thoughts and feelings on some of the matters that W and random people on the internet are discussing.
I hope you and the baby are well and continue to do well. It is not easy carrying a new life inside yourself with the changes, responsibilities and stress that arise as a result. But from what W tells us you are very driven and dedicated to ready for the next stage.
Some well meaning thoughts from my SO's and I experience with our first together (her second). There is no such thing as perfect. You can try to be as ready as you can but you still won't be (completely). That does not mean you shouldn't still try to be ready, you still need to try to be (which I think you and W are doing). Now you can try to plan everything thing out, to try to make things go a certain way, but in the end things will probably not go the way you expected. So try be the best you can be and don't worry about trying to be perfect.
In that there is also another important person to remember: yourself. It is very easy to forget yourself in all that will be happening and focus just on the beautiful new life you (both of you - but you [Lana] will have done most of the heavy lifting) you have brought into this world and making things work as a family. I can't tell you not to, but try to remember to keep a balance. You have had a transformative year and you may feel you have to give everything up, or not... There is no right way to do it. You have to figure that out as you go. Don't judge yourself by other people's morals. Hold true to your own ethics. Be the best you can be, don't try to be some impossible perfect or end up losing touch with yourself. Make sure W is doing his fair share of the work (it's 2023, not 1953). And I'm sure you will be a great mother. Good luck!
Now, onto the serious business. As I stated in the beginning, I am not writing this with the expectation of a response. So this part should be regarded as more of a provocation to thought. Be forewarned, I will be speculating a bit (or a lot).
By your own admission, you are in love with Shawn. Feelings that I think may have taken less than a month to start (from when you first invited him over while W was walking the dogs). To be fair, I don't think that was the same as what you feel now - and that is going to be an important point I am going to make.
When Shawn left for California, you compartmentalized those feelings. They went in a mental box and stayed there, mostly.. Maybe you would revisit those thoughts and emotions in you own mind, but you didn't let them out, express them. However, those feelings didn't go away. They were still there.
Jump to after the summer and there have been the experiences with the French guy and Adam (and Evan) (and I don't remember right now if there were others)... And then a chance to reconnect with Shawn arises and it is seized upon! Those feelings that were compartmentalized away could finally come out. And did. The fucking and love-making were incredible, and that connection was back. You did activities (other than sex) together, socialized with friends of Shawn together, and engaged in some social activities that included sex with another couple that are friends of Shawn (swapped partners).
So what effect did those (was it Friday night, Saturday, Sunday, Monday and to Tuesday evening?) 4.5(?) days have on your [Lana] feelings for Shawn? Because I don't think you felt the same when you arrived in California as when you left. That connection and those feelings (of love) GREW. To the point where you felt jealousy at seeing Shawn having sex with another woman (and, not irrelevant to note, he felt the same seeing you with another man, but we are focused on you right now). To the point where you two discussed a significant change in your relationship (though Shawn brought it up and it was considered unfeasible, but it was discussed and not outright shot down). And it's not just the confessions of love, it's also the whispering, giggling, kissing, cuddling and the way in which you hold him and pull him tight into you while he's making love to you that also give it away.
After you came back, those feelings were compartmentalized again. Maybe you were also concerned about hurting W more by not keeping them locked away. Shawn, W and you played together on video calls once in a while, but on the whole you focused on you pregnancy and the baby that would be coming (and, to be clear, that is an absolutely acceptable thing to focus on).
But now that Shawn is coming back in a few weeks, those compartmentalized feelings aren't so compartmentalized anymore. And you are becoming more willing to admit those feelings (or finding it harder to hide them?) and discuss them. It probably has also helped a lot that W has overcome his initial shock (and hurt) from witnessing you and Shawn making love and is now aroused by it instead. Making it much easier to discuss without fear of hurting W. And you sound eager to be able to express those feelings again while sharing their sexual personification with Shawn (making love). But this this wouldn't just be a performance, but real too, no? Would I be right in surmising that being able to say you love him [Shawn] while making love makes the love-making better and the orgasms more intense? Is it only as long as W gets pleasure from it? Or if you felt you could be more free in expressing your feelings of love for Shawn, would you do it more? Or differently?
Now to come back around to the point I mentioned earlier that I wanted to make. In all likelihood you [Lana] will be having more sex with Shawn (including love-making) after he arrives than with W. That means you will be connecting sexually more with Shawn in addition to resuming that special connection the two of you have that you can't quite explain. That means opportunities for that connection and those feelings (of love [for Shawn]) to grow. And for closer to 20 days rather than the 4.5 days you were in California. Are you aware of that possibility? Are you aware of that probability? Is W aware?
There is even the idea floating around this thread of W being denied sex while Shawn is here. What kind of influence would that have on the continuing development of your feelings for Shawn? Realistically I don't think W would be able to hold out (sorry W, it's not that I don't believe in you [W], I do, but when it comes to this I think you [W] have a deep need to reconnect with Lana, and there's nothing wrong with that). I figure he [W] would need to reclaim/reconnect with you [Lana] after a few days, a week tops. Will you be loving both of your men in each their own way? Will you only be controlled by the boundaries that are set (though adjustable by W)? Will you have to be surpressing (edit: replaces the word 'surprising' which was wrong in this context) some of your feelings? Would that be fair to you?
How do you feel about your connection and feelings of love for Shawn to grow/deepen? Are you ok with it happening? Do you want that, maybe? Ever the reasoner and compartmentalizer, do you think you can prevent it? Or do you think you could still compartmentalize those stronger/deeper feelings? And what happens after, when Shawn goes back, when the connection and feelings are stronger? Do you want it to continue? If things were less complicated with a baby on the way, would you want it to continue? Or would you want something different, something more?
To clarify again, I'm not trying to be offensive, but I am trying to be provocative to generate thought and discussion on the matter. And I feel like I have gone on far too long. So, all the best until next time.
Edit: replaced an wrong word that was wrong in the context of a sentence
Okay to your questions about Shawn. You were pretty much right on the money with everything. But to add some clarity, when Shawn was here last year, it was more about lust, that eventually turned into a bit of a crush and infatuation on my part. And although the L word slipped out, it wasn't a profound and deep love. That's because our entire relationship, if you want to call it that, was based on sex. When I went out to Cali, we rode bikes, ate every meal together, slept in and cuddled, and did all of those things on top of having amazing sex. But there was a moment when we were with Brad and his girlfriend that Brad was going down on me while his girlfriend was going down on Shawn, and we looked at each other and I felt like a deeper connection with him. We talked about it afterwards, and it was really hard for both of us to see the other with someone else. The rest of the time, Shawn and I started moving from the raw and lustful type of sex to making love. Now whether I felt love for him at first and then we made love, or the act of making love pushed forward the emotion of love, it's hard to say. It's like a chicken or the egg type of question I suppose. And then you asked if I had held back from outright telling my husband how I felt to prevent hurting him - yes. I know he was hurt by watching Shawn make love to me and as soon as I heard his voice, I changed my flight and came back to him. We spent time getting back to where we were while accepting our new reality, and then other things in life happened, like the health of one of his parents, our older dog, my grandma, and crazy work, that it was hard to manage everything, especially being pregnant and trying to learn all of the things surrounding that. But after that crazy month or two, where our world seemed to be going crazy, we found time to talk about Cali and what happened.
And it's not like I was necessarily hiding it from my husband, but it's that life events took the forefront of our attention, and then when we had the chance to really talk about it, I confessed to him that I'm in love with Shawn, and that we in fact made love several times in Cali. I could tell that it really hit him hard, but with some time, he came to like it. And with that, we are now all on the same page. There is the issue of whether Shawn will ever take me away from my husband. I will say this now - NEVER. My husband and I have been through everything together including the death of grandparents, the death of our older dog, grad school, travelling Europe and Asia, extreme highs and extreme lows. He is my rock and soulmate and Shawn will never be able to replace that , no matter how many California-style trips there may be. On top of that, I think that once the baby comes, I won't have time for anything else other than that. It's just that admitting that I'm in love with two men is more of an acknowledgment of my feelings, and I'm lucky that my husband accepts that, and I'm lucky that Shawn understands it too and isn't trying to steal me away.
You also asked about my husband being denied. Now this is something that really took us both by surprise around the time Adam and I were hooking up. My husband actually started getting turned on by being denied, but it was hard for the both of us to not have that reconnection and communication through that time. In the end, him and I, and I think Shawn too, all understand that there are roles being played and that my husband can call a stop to it all at any moment. If at any time he wants to pull the plug on the denying stuff, I will stop and we will make love. But we're trying to see how long we can draw this out as we think that it will make our reconnection extremely powerful. You also asked about the idea of Shawn having me more than my husband when he is here. I think you are right but mostly because my husband is working right up until the holidays, I think, whereas I'm taking off a few weeks before him. So there's a chance that I'll be with Shawn for extended amounts of time while my husband works. Plus... Shawn is in his twenties, so he's able to get it up again without too much time. In fact, when we were in Cali, there were times when he would cum, and without even pulling out, he was able to start again a few minutes after. Crazy!
Okay I think I hit all of your points. I hope everyone has a great day!
Re: It might actually happen after years of telling me no.
W here. I saw that there were some other posts, so I thought I'd address those.octavian wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 4:20 amI understand Shawn is likely to spend some time in your apartment once his parents have gone to Florida. Given that you and he have been talking about the time he stood naked in front of you, his dick still slick with his cum and Lana's lubrication, I wonder if he has a mind to replay that incredibly erotic scenario. If that were to happen, I wonder if the outcome might be different. And if that were to be the case, what might Lana think.
I've told Lana that story and she was fascinated. If it happens again, which if I had to guess, is more likely to happen again than not, then I assume if there was anything different to play out, it would be that he might have me use my hand on him. Him and I have talked about me stroking him several times, but it was always in the context of if he were to slip out of Lana. But if it were just Shawn and myself, I would think that there might be enough of a connection between us that it could happen and it wouldn't be regarded as "weird."
parmaham55 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:36 pmRe the anniversary present - another idea. How about you treat Lana and Shawn to an erotic boudoir professional photoshoot for the two of them? It could be as tasteful and explicit at they like. As well as producing plenty of sexy digitial imagery, you could get a glossy album (fulfilling the paper anniversary idea) to look back on in years to come.
Re the Cary thing - it might be great fantasy of hers and even Lana’s but is it worth potentially wrecking the precious three weeks you have coming? At the very least, it’d may cause some jealousies all round, not forgetting your own as well W.
I keep forgetting to ask Lana about the idea of an anniversary commemoration. I'll bring it up today.
As far as Cara goes, I think it might just be a one time thing, so the chances of it turning disastrous are low, I think.
I feel like the cage thing is the one thing I'm still consistent on. They just look painful to me and I don't see myself going down that route.hubudig2 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:48 pmHaving followed your story for a year now (you started it exactly a year ago to the day), what I've enjoyed most is the complete destruction of your limits.
At the start, you were dead against many things including the idea of creampie cleanup, chastity and anything remotely bi.
You learned to enjoy eating creampies pretty early on, I believe you've cleaned both Shawn's and Eric's cum from Lana's pussy while they watched?
To quote you on the subject of eating a creampie before you tried it:Given that you're currently fighting the urge to cum for 3 weeks, how long will it be before the idea of a chastity cage starts to seem like a good idea?
You also recently admitted that in the heat of the moment, you might be tempted to handle Shawn's cock.
If you don't cum for 3 weeks, I'd say you might even be tempted to join Lana in sucking Shawn's cock with maybe some cum kisses or swapping afterwards, especially if he tells you to.
Is the idea even slightly tempting right now?
On whether or not I'd use my mouth on him, especially if he tells me to - If I'm being honest, it is a little tempting, but I don't think I'll be able to accurately anticipate how I'll feel about that unless and until it happens.
Of course! I'm glad we moved from the more difficult chapter of this whole Shawn thing, where Lana admitted to the fact that they had made love several times in California, and we're in a place where it all can be more of an erotic journey rather than a painful one.Rogueuser1 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 2:53 pmWow... he is really playing this well. Glad all 3 of you are enjoying this so much and thanks for sharing it!
Update: I woke up this morning with another raging hard-on (which I'm fully expecting will be the case until I'm able to cum again). Lana and I played around a little bit, but we stopped short of allowing me to finish. She stroked me a bit and then teased me with her mouth by giving me a blowjob for only 5 seconds. She then pulled up a video on her phone of last year, when Shawn had her on her back, grabbing her by her ankles and spreading her legs wide. I gave her oral while she moaned his name, and not two minutes later, she was convulsing, pulling my head into her pussy and clamping her legs like a vice grip. I recorded it for Shawn and sent him the video after we finished up. An hour later, after he woke up, he responded with, "FUCK! I want that married pussy so bad."
Pretty busy day for us today with the Christmas decorations and then later, Lana's parents are coming over. So funny that they have no idea what their daughter is really like. Lol.
Re: It might actually happen after years of telling me no.
"On whether or not I'd use my mouth on him, especially if he tells me to - If I'm being honest, it is a little tempting, but I don't think I'll be able to accurately anticipate how I'll feel about that unless and until it happens."
I think it will prove very difficult not to do so, especially in the knowledge that your dear Lana derives so much pleasure from it.
I think it will prove very difficult not to do so, especially in the knowledge that your dear Lana derives so much pleasure from it.
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Have you ever seen what Shawn’s Cali girl looks like? Does she bear any resemblance to Lana?
Re: It might actually happen after years of telling me no.
octavian wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 5:05 am"On whether or not I'd use my mouth on him, especially if he tells me to - If I'm being honest, it is a little tempting, but I don't think I'll be able to accurately anticipate how I'll feel about that unless and until it happens."
I think it will prove very difficult not to do so, especially in the knowledge that your dear Lana derives so much pleasure from it.
You may be right. And Lana does in fact get off on seeing me submit to Shawn...
They look extremely similar. Blonde, long hair, long legs, with h a great ass. He most definitely has a type.
Update: finished putting up the Christmas tree and we have about an hour before Lana's parents get here, so we decided to send Shawn a picture of her naked, wearing nothing but a Santa hat. Tastefully done, as she's covering her breasts.
He responded back with, "Lana, I'm addicted to making love with you, but sometimes I really want to pound the fuck out of you in front of your husband. Now is one of those times."
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What a totally fun thing to happen! That's so cool that you guys took that photo!!w770 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 8:05 am
They look extremely similar. Blonde, long hair, long legs, with h a great ass. He most definitely has a type.
Update: finished putting up the Christmas tree and we have about an hour before Lana's parents get here, so we decided to send Shawn a picture of her naked, wearing nothing but a Santa hat. Tastefully done, as she's covering her breasts.
He responded back with, "Lana, I'm addicted to making love with you, but sometimes I really want to pound the fuck out of you in front of your husband. Now is one of those times."
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The next few weeks is when Lana can really amp up your cuckold angst by edging and reminding you how she’s saving herself for her lover. I honestly don’t know how you’ll have the will power to wait until he arrives or until after he leaves. It will be epic if you can.
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She may get off on seeing you submit to Shawn but I don’t know if that’s a rubicon I’d ever, personally, want to cross. There are many ways to submission itch. Dick handling and jerking for instance but a blowjob can’t be unseen. There were a few threads I read on here where the wife’s perception of her husband, involuntarily, subconsciously changed after watching them service the bull orally.w770 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 8:05 amoctavian wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 5:05 am"On whether or not I'd use my mouth on him, especially if he tells me to - If I'm being honest, it is a little tempting, but I don't think I'll be able to accurately anticipate how I'll feel about that unless and until it happens."
I think it will prove very difficult not to do so, especially in the knowledge that your dear Lana derives so much pleasure from it.
You may be right. And Lana does in fact get off on seeing me submit to Shawn...
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Re: It might actually happen after years of telling me no.
There’s no way that I want to be a party pooper here, but there’s plenty of analysis and feelings being expressed about W and Lana, and from W and Lana. And now hearing it from Lana too.
But we should consider there are plenty more feelings in Shawn than people give credit.
Shawn may have originally be seen as playing some macho game, but remember he’s fallen in love with Lana (remember we’ve been told many times how men fall easily for Lana), so he deserves thought about how he wants a relationship, a proper relationship.
And to give himself, and to love a pregnant woman who is pregnant by a rival, is a big commitment. Perhaps he’s truly in love, and deserves some thought beyond the game of a pounding.
I know we like to sometimes focus on the poundings in this forum, but there's plenty of raw emotions here, and when we read the actual words of Lana it brings it home that there are three in this relationship now. Shawn is not Superman anymore, he's a person of interest...
But we should consider there are plenty more feelings in Shawn than people give credit.
Shawn may have originally be seen as playing some macho game, but remember he’s fallen in love with Lana (remember we’ve been told many times how men fall easily for Lana), so he deserves thought about how he wants a relationship, a proper relationship.
And to give himself, and to love a pregnant woman who is pregnant by a rival, is a big commitment. Perhaps he’s truly in love, and deserves some thought beyond the game of a pounding.
I know we like to sometimes focus on the poundings in this forum, but there's plenty of raw emotions here, and when we read the actual words of Lana it brings it home that there are three in this relationship now. Shawn is not Superman anymore, he's a person of interest...
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Not gonna lie, we took inspiration from Parmaham55's suggestion.snoogaloo82 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 8:09 amWhat a totally fun thing to happen! That's so cool that you guys took that photo!!w770 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 8:05 am
They look extremely similar. Blonde, long hair, long legs, with h a great ass. He most definitely has a type.
Update: finished putting up the Christmas tree and we have about an hour before Lana's parents get here, so we decided to send Shawn a picture of her naked, wearing nothing but a Santa hat. Tastefully done, as she's covering her breasts.
He responded back with, "Lana, I'm addicted to making love with you, but sometimes I really want to pound the fuck out of you in front of your husband. Now is one of those times."
There are times when I think I can handle it, but then I start wanting to hump everything in sight. I don't see myself being able to hold out for more than a day after they make love the first time in front of me.Open2it wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:21 amThe next few weeks is when Lana can really amp up your cuckold angst by edging and reminding you how she’s saving herself for her lover. I honestly don’t know how you’ll have the will power to wait until he arrives or until after he leaves. It will be epic if you can.
This is my main reservation with using my mouth - what Lana will think. I'm also apprehensive about asking Lana about this but I'm a bit nervous on how she'd respond.tojanman wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:40 amShe may get off on seeing you submit to Shawn but I don’t know if that’s a rubicon I’d ever, personally, want to cross. There are many ways to submission itch. Dick handling and jerking for instance but a blowjob can’t be unseen. There were a few threads I read on here where the wife’s perception of her husband, involuntarily, subconsciously changed after watching them service the bull orally.w770 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 8:05 amoctavian wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 5:05 am"On whether or not I'd use my mouth on him, especially if he tells me to - If I'm being honest, it is a little tempting, but I don't think I'll be able to accurately anticipate how I'll feel about that unless and until it happens."
I think it will prove very difficult not to do so, especially in the knowledge that your dear Lana derives so much pleasure from it.
You may be right. And Lana does in fact get off on seeing me submit to Shawn...
My two cents.
Always checking my blind spots, thank you. I've asked her to describe to me what the love making was like in California. She admits it was mind blowing and they confessed their love for each other all throughout. It was rare for them to make love in doggy style, but rather iterations of positions where they were face to face. Missionary of course, up against the wall, against the wall of the shower, lotus, her on top but with her leaning down so that they could kiss. I asked her if it was better than when we make love, and she said that we have more of a soul bond, but on a sexual level, yes it's better when he makes love to her than when we do it.parmaham55 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:13 amThere’s no way that I want to be a party pooper here, but there’s plenty of analysis and feelings being expressed about W and Lana, and from W and Lana. And now hearing it from Lana too.
But we should consider there are plenty more feelings in Shawn than people give credit.
Shawn may have originally be seen as playing some macho game, but remember he’s fallen in love with Lana (remember we’ve been told many times how men fall easily for Lana), so he deserves thought about how he wants a relationship, a proper relationship.
And to give himself, and to love a pregnant woman who is pregnant by a rival, is a big commitment. Perhaps he’s truly in love, and deserves some thought beyond the game of a pounding.
I know we like to sometimes focus on the poundings in this forum, but there's plenty of raw emotions here, and when we read the actual words of Lana it brings it home that there are three in this relationship now. Shawn is not Superman anymore, he's a person of interest...
A bit of a punch to the stomach, but I can't say I didn't see it coming.
So their feelings are definitely real, but I don't think its a legitimate threat to our marriage.
Her parents just left (quick visit) and we'll be doing cutesy Christmas stuff the rest of the day seeing as it's raining and cold outside.