Potentially the Start
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Glad you had a good time seemed to be more sensual teasing this time around. The PE seems to be to her driving factor, congrats.
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I have followed your interesting thread since the beginning.
It does seem like it has moved very quickly from 0 to 120.
My analysis can only come from my perspective. I would not allow anything like what you are describing unless i liked it. So, i have to believe you are happy with the events and the direction you're life is heading.
Disclaimer: Not in the lifestyle and probably won't be.
It does seem like it has moved very quickly from 0 to 120.
My analysis can only come from my perspective. I would not allow anything like what you are describing unless i liked it. So, i have to believe you are happy with the events and the direction you're life is heading.
Disclaimer: Not in the lifestyle and probably won't be.
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Did she wear her anklet with the key on and showing during your dinner?
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You have a gift for words! Wow what a trip your wife is taking you on...she's playing so many mind games with you and we all wish we were along for the ride...well, we kinda are with your recountings.Deepdownwannabe wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 5:08 pmThis one is long, sorry. We had our dinner date. No, she is not pregnant and no he did not show up. It was just us. But it was eventful.
She made me watch her get ready again, same as she has since she started this, only I knew I was the one going out with her. I watched her put on the sexy lingerie, a classy but sexy outfit. Heels, the makeup. She was stunning. And we took an Uber as well to a nice restaurant. Things seemed a little normal I guess, well except for the fact I was still caged.
Once seated with a drink in our hands she began, and by the end of it she had opened up with her feelings. With my hand in hers she said this was the restaurant they went to the night she slept with hum. She felt me flinch a little with that as her hand tightened. It went on from there, and I will say it felt strange hearing it in such a public setting. She said she could only imagine the things going through my head the last numerous weeks, because she had a thousand things going through her head as well. How she had certainly never thought of anything like this, having a boyfriend while married. But every time she had her self-doubt she reminded herself that I could have stopped this all but I didn't.
Just after our order was taken she told me the sex was unreal, how she had never gotten this worked up and excited before, to the point she would find herself thinking about it in the middle of the day which she rarely would do before. Right there she questioned herself why was it like this, why was the sex as hot as it was, I wasn't sure if she expected me to answer her but after a few seconds of silence she tried to answer it herself. She said she absolutely loved me watching her get ready, how my mindset must have some inner reaction to her. She re-stated she loved having the control over me that she now had, the key, the cage, controlling my orgasms. She said it was a little intoxicating to have that power, and she said she might be getting a little drunk on power. But whatever it was, her sex drive had increased, and not just a little. She felt it was somewhat overpowering and consuming her.
I might add, she looked me straight in the eyes for all of this conversation, while I'll admit by eyes wandered nervously. She was the one in control alright.
She admitted to thinking she should end this as it was, it had happened but that was it and we should just go back to the way things were. She said she almost ended it last night as they were having a somewhat serious talk as well. Only she talked herself out of it when she realized she was happy and excited, and what more, she had what she felt as my support in the little mind-fuck sort of way that I gave it. He said he was more than happy to continue in this manner, as long as all his little rule suggestions were being followed. She ran them off. They were to be an open couple, I was to stay caged, I wasn't allowed to penetrate her. She confirmed them all to both him and to me.
She said she wanted to go further down the cuckold path and that she would. I had no idea what that meant and she didn't divulge any secrets only that she felt the surface had only been scratched as it related to this cuckold dynamic. Her hand had returned to mine for that little mention. She didn't seem to be asking about this part, rather she was telling me. "Which means we will probably need to set up some rules".
The Uber ride home she teased my cage, rubbing it in the backseat, whispering if she should let 'her' small caged cock out. She seemed to emphasize "her".
We got home and upstairs. She was naked quickly, damn her body looked great but I was hit by the image of him fucking her. She saw it, she knew what was in my head. "You are thinking of him fucking me aren't you?" I nodded. "Well, he does it better than you do". She reached into her nightstand where a seldom-used dildo came out, her vibrator was normally her toy of choice. She wasted no time, the dildo slipped inside her as she fell into her own world, unconcerned I was still dressed. I watched her climax on this faux cock, the odd reminder that there is a real one that she enjoys using.
She then got around to "her" cock, not unlocking me until I was laying on the bed. She rolled me until I was lying on her, pulled up so I could not enter her, the subtle reminder I was not allowed to enter her. Before I knew it she had wordlessly directed me and I was slowly fucking her stomach. She whispered quietly yet forcefully and the words jarred me. "Here is the first rule, every time you climax you will clean it." I tried to pull back but her legs were wrapped around me and would not allow it. "Thats right cuck, that is your first rule, starting now". Knowing I was holding back, she upped it. "I told him that will be the rule and he agreed. Just before he fucked me...". I was absolutely humiliated as I came on her breasts. I was almost in tears as I realized it, only to feel her hand push my head down to her covered tits. To make matters even worse, she inserted her dildo again as I 'cleaned' her tits, another orgasm done for her before I was even finished. Another line crossed, all before she put the cage back on me.
Her arms went around me as she said thank you for everything. And that she loved me even more. And that she loved me being her cuck.
That was our dinner date. Let your analysis begin I guess.
How are you feeling about it, the day after, being caged back up? Would it have been better to stay locked and denied, and not have to go through the post-cum letdown and humiliation of it all?
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Thank you ddw for the detailed update. As other posters have commented your narration conveys the power exchange and the budding aspects of flr very well. How do you feel now that another line has been crossed? Will you be in-charge of clearing duties from now on?
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**sounds of clicks and beeps continue as i continue analyzing lol**Deepdownwannabe wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 5:08 pmThis one is long, sorry. We had our dinner date. No, she is not pregnant and no he did not show up. It was just us. But it was eventful.
She made me watch her get ready again, same as she has since she started this, only I knew I was the one going out with her. I watched her put on the sexy lingerie, a classy but sexy outfit. Heels, the makeup. She was stunning. And we took an Uber as well to a nice restaurant. Things seemed a little normal I guess, well except for the fact I was still caged.
Once seated with a drink in our hands she began, and by the end of it she had opened up with her feelings. With my hand in hers she said this was the restaurant they went to the night she slept with hum. She felt me flinch a little with that as her hand tightened. It went on from there, and I will say it felt strange hearing it in such a public setting. She said she could only imagine the things going through my head the last numerous weeks, because she had a thousand things going through her head as well. How she had certainly never thought of anything like this, having a boyfriend while married. But every time she had her self-doubt she reminded herself that I could have stopped this all but I didn't.
Just after our order was taken she told me the sex was unreal, how she had never gotten this worked up and excited before, to the point she would find herself thinking about it in the middle of the day which she rarely would do before. Right there she questioned herself why was it like this, why was the sex as hot as it was, I wasn't sure if she expected me to answer her but after a few seconds of silence she tried to answer it herself. She said she absolutely loved me watching her get ready, how my mindset must have some inner reaction to her. She re-stated she loved having the control over me that she now had, the key, the cage, controlling my orgasms. She said it was a little intoxicating to have that power, and she said she might be getting a little drunk on power. But whatever it was, her sex drive had increased, and not just a little. She felt it was somewhat overpowering and consuming her.
I might add, she looked me straight in the eyes for all of this conversation, while I'll admit by eyes wandered nervously. She was the one in control alright.
She admitted to thinking she should end this as it was, it had happened but that was it and we should just go back to the way things were. She said she almost ended it last night as they were having a somewhat serious talk as well. Only she talked herself out of it when she realized she was happy and excited, and what more, she had what she felt as my support in the little mind-fuck sort of way that I gave it. He said he was more than happy to continue in this manner, as long as all his little rule suggestions were being followed. She ran them off. They were to be an open couple, I was to stay caged, I wasn't allowed to penetrate her. She confirmed them all to both him and to me.
She said she wanted to go further down the cuckold path and that she would. I had no idea what that meant and she didn't divulge any secrets only that she felt the surface had only been scratched as it related to this cuckold dynamic. Her hand had returned to mine for that little mention. She didn't seem to be asking about this part, rather she was telling me. "Which means we will probably need to set up some rules".
The Uber ride home she teased my cage, rubbing it in the backseat, whispering if she should let 'her' small caged cock out. She seemed to emphasize "her".
We got home and upstairs. She was naked quickly, damn her body looked great but I was hit by the image of him fucking her. She saw it, she knew what was in my head. "You are thinking of him fucking me aren't you?" I nodded. "Well, he does it better than you do". She reached into her nightstand where a seldom-used dildo came out, her vibrator was normally her toy of choice. She wasted no time, the dildo slipped inside her as she fell into her own world, unconcerned I was still dressed. I watched her climax on this faux cock, the odd reminder that there is a real one that she enjoys using.
She then got around to "her" cock, not unlocking me until I was laying on the bed. She rolled me until I was lying on her, pulled up so I could not enter her, the subtle reminder I was not allowed to enter her. Before I knew it she had wordlessly directed me and I was slowly fucking her stomach. She whispered quietly yet forcefully and the words jarred me. "Here is the first rule, every time you climax you will clean it." I tried to pull back but her legs were wrapped around me and would not allow it. "Thats right cuck, that is your first rule, starting now". Knowing I was holding back, she upped it. "I told him that will be the rule and he agreed. Just before he fucked me...". I was absolutely humiliated as I came on her breasts. I was almost in tears as I realized it, only to feel her hand push my head down to her covered tits. To make matters even worse, she inserted her dildo again as I 'cleaned' her tits, another orgasm done for her before I was even finished. Another line crossed, all before she put the cage back on me.
Her arms went around me as she said thank you for everything. And that she loved me even more. And that she loved me being her cuck.
That was our dinner date. Let your analysis begin I guess.
My sweetie, Marion, and I are no longer together.
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"Her arms went around me as she said thank you for everything. And that she loved me even more. And that she loved me being her cuck."
I think that one line says it all with regard to her feelings for you.
I'm making a couple assumptions here without re-reading the entire thread. 1, you are enjoying this journey even though you are not in control. 2, you do not have 'Veto' power over anything she does. 3, don't lose sight of the fact this is about her and her pleasure.
You said a while back that you don't describe everything she says or does. That's understandable, and most of us following your story 'read between the lines' to figure out what's left unsaid.
Going forward, if it were me, I would admit openly to her that you've given up any form of control, or say in what she does. Since this is about her, you're all-in with wherever she wants to take this. I would reinforce the fact she has your total support, and then ask her... where is this going?
I'm curious about one thing. As she becomes more dominant (controlling) over you, is she becoming more submissive with him? Has she given him control of her... given herself to him... or is she dominating him to provide what she wants? (I think they call that... 'Topping from the bottom').
I think that one line says it all with regard to her feelings for you.
I'm making a couple assumptions here without re-reading the entire thread. 1, you are enjoying this journey even though you are not in control. 2, you do not have 'Veto' power over anything she does. 3, don't lose sight of the fact this is about her and her pleasure.
You said a while back that you don't describe everything she says or does. That's understandable, and most of us following your story 'read between the lines' to figure out what's left unsaid.
Going forward, if it were me, I would admit openly to her that you've given up any form of control, or say in what she does. Since this is about her, you're all-in with wherever she wants to take this. I would reinforce the fact she has your total support, and then ask her... where is this going?
I'm curious about one thing. As she becomes more dominant (controlling) over you, is she becoming more submissive with him? Has she given him control of her... given herself to him... or is she dominating him to provide what she wants? (I think they call that... 'Topping from the bottom').
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I bet the next step will be that you won't be allowed to touch your wife for sexual purposes. It may disturb her boyfriend. When she opens your cage, you hump for example her booted legs, then lick her boots clean. When it goes on a regular basis, she will wear those sexy boots during sex and there will be spots what you will lick off too. Soon you will be read for her tasty creampies.
It is only my forecast fantasy, but who knows what tbe future gives...
It is only my forecast fantasy, but who knows what tbe future gives...
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You have me curious as to how you came upon this prediction?mgl wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 4:45 amI bet the next step will be that you won't be allowed to touch your wife for sexual purposes. It may disturb her boyfriend. When she opens your cage, you hump for example her booted legs, then lick her boots clean. When it goes on a regular basis, she will wear those sexy boots during sex and there will be spots what you will lick off too. Soon you will be read for her tasty creampies.
It is only my forecast fantasy, but who knows what tbe future gives...
My sweetie, Marion, and I are no longer together.
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I doubt she is directing anything over him as to me it sounds like she is becoming somewhat submissive to him.FFDriver wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 3:48 am"Her arms went around me as she said thank you for everything. And that she loved me even more. And that she loved me being her cuck."
I think that one line says it all with regard to her feelings for you.
I'm making a couple assumptions here without re-reading the entire thread. 1, you are enjoying this journey even though you are not in control. 2, you do not have 'Veto' power over anything she does. 3, don't lose sight of the fact this is about her and her pleasure.
You said a while back that you don't describe everything she says or does. That's understandable, and most of us following your story 'read between the lines' to figure out what's left unsaid.
Going forward, if it were me, I would admit openly to her that you've given up any form of control, or say in what she does. Since this is about her, you're all-in with wherever she wants to take this. I would reinforce the fact she has your total support, and then ask her... where is this going?
I'm curious about one thing. As she becomes more dominant (controlling) over you, is she becoming more submissive with him? Has she given him control of her... given herself to him... or is she dominating him to provide what she wants? (I think they call that... 'Topping from the bottom').
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Next step will probably be you being pegged.
Should you again be asked to select an outfit again you could add a jeweled plug as an extra.
Should you again be asked to select an outfit again you could add a jeweled plug as an extra.
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Seems to be a very specific dynamic emerging here...we don't have all the information but if she's started insisting on cleanup without you asking that's an exciting direction for you...are you allowed to lick her pussy or is that off the board?... can't help thinking creampie cleanup is around the corner? Wonder if she'd be on board if you suggested it?
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"I doubt she is directing anything over him as to me it sounds like she is becoming somewhat submissive to him."
DDW, yes, that is what I meant to say. Thanks for the clarification.
The way I envision this, the submission and domination is more of a mind thing than physical. She's dominant over you by caging you, denying you sex, ordering you to clean her up. She submissive to him in the sense he's calling the shots. i.e., did he order her to deny you, or say it was one of his requests if they were going to be boy/girlfriends. She had the option of saying no, and ending their relationship. This isn't a 'whips-n-chains' form of submission.
She said when they were at dinner she almost ended it and returned to normal. I'd look her in the eyes and say, "I don't want that. This is for your pleasure, and I want you to enjoy it all. I'll be here for you throughout."
Enjoy the ride, DDW, it sounds like a good one!
DDW, yes, that is what I meant to say. Thanks for the clarification.
The way I envision this, the submission and domination is more of a mind thing than physical. She's dominant over you by caging you, denying you sex, ordering you to clean her up. She submissive to him in the sense he's calling the shots. i.e., did he order her to deny you, or say it was one of his requests if they were going to be boy/girlfriends. She had the option of saying no, and ending their relationship. This isn't a 'whips-n-chains' form of submission.
She said when they were at dinner she almost ended it and returned to normal. I'd look her in the eyes and say, "I don't want that. This is for your pleasure, and I want you to enjoy it all. I'll be here for you throughout."
Enjoy the ride, DDW, it sounds like a good one!
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I was just told she will be going to his Christmas party on Friday. In the back of my mind I knew the holiday season was upon us but hoped it would not come to this, all the while knowing that wasn't going to happen.
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How public will that be or maybe better question is how many people will know you at this party, if any?
Has she been very public with people that you know?
Has she been very public with people that you know?
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I wonder how much cuckold coaching she is getting from him as he seems interested in your humiliation. Will he take a more active role with you? Perhaps it is time for the two of you to meet?
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DDW - Have to say I find this quite hot.Deepdownwannabe wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 5:08 pmThis one is long, sorry. We had our dinner date. No, she is not pregnant and no he did not show up. It was just us. But it was eventful.
She made me watch her get ready again, same as she has since she started this, only I knew I was the one going out with her. I watched her put on the sexy lingerie, a classy but sexy outfit. Heels, the makeup. She was stunning. And we took an Uber as well to a nice restaurant. Things seemed a little normal I guess, well except for the fact I was still caged.
Once seated with a drink in our hands she began, and by the end of it she had opened up with her feelings. With my hand in hers she said this was the restaurant they went to the night she slept with hum. She felt me flinch a little with that as her hand tightened. It went on from there, and I will say it felt strange hearing it in such a public setting. She said she could only imagine the things going through my head the last numerous weeks, because she had a thousand things going through her head as well. How she had certainly never thought of anything like this, having a boyfriend while married. But every time she had her self-doubt she reminded herself that I could have stopped this all but I didn't.
Just after our order was taken she told me the sex was unreal, how she had never gotten this worked up and excited before, to the point she would find herself thinking about it in the middle of the day which she rarely would do before. Right there she questioned herself why was it like this, why was the sex as hot as it was, I wasn't sure if she expected me to answer her but after a few seconds of silence she tried to answer it herself. She said she absolutely loved me watching her get ready, how my mindset must have some inner reaction to her. She re-stated she loved having the control over me that she now had, the key, the cage, controlling my orgasms. She said it was a little intoxicating to have that power, and she said she might be getting a little drunk on power. But whatever it was, her sex drive had increased, and not just a little. She felt it was somewhat overpowering and consuming her.
I might add, she looked me straight in the eyes for all of this conversation, while I'll admit by eyes wandered nervously. She was the one in control alright.
She admitted to thinking she should end this as it was, it had happened but that was it and we should just go back to the way things were. She said she almost ended it last night as they were having a somewhat serious talk as well. Only she talked herself out of it when she realized she was happy and excited, and what more, she had what she felt as my support in the little mind-fuck sort of way that I gave it. He said he was more than happy to continue in this manner, as long as all his little rule suggestions were being followed. She ran them off. They were to be an open couple, I was to stay caged, I wasn't allowed to penetrate her. She confirmed them all to both him and to me.
She said she wanted to go further down the cuckold path and that she would. I had no idea what that meant and she didn't divulge any secrets only that she felt the surface had only been scratched as it related to this cuckold dynamic. Her hand had returned to mine for that little mention. She didn't seem to be asking about this part, rather she was telling me. "Which means we will probably need to set up some rules".
The Uber ride home she teased my cage, rubbing it in the backseat, whispering if she should let 'her' small caged cock out. She seemed to emphasize "her".
We got home and upstairs. She was naked quickly, damn her body looked great but I was hit by the image of him fucking her. She saw it, she knew what was in my head. "You are thinking of him fucking me aren't you?" I nodded. "Well, he does it better than you do". She reached into her nightstand where a seldom-used dildo came out, her vibrator was normally her toy of choice. She wasted no time, the dildo slipped inside her as she fell into her own world, unconcerned I was still dressed. I watched her climax on this faux cock, the odd reminder that there is a real one that she enjoys using.
She then got around to "her" cock, not unlocking me until I was laying on the bed. She rolled me until I was lying on her, pulled up so I could not enter her, the subtle reminder I was not allowed to enter her. Before I knew it she had wordlessly directed me and I was slowly fucking her stomach. She whispered quietly yet forcefully and the words jarred me. "Here is the first rule, every time you climax you will clean it." I tried to pull back but her legs were wrapped around me and would not allow it. "Thats right cuck, that is your first rule, starting now". Knowing I was holding back, she upped it. "I told him that will be the rule and he agreed. Just before he fucked me...". I was absolutely humiliated as I came on her breasts. I was almost in tears as I realized it, only to feel her hand push my head down to her covered tits. To make matters even worse, she inserted her dildo again as I 'cleaned' her tits, another orgasm done for her before I was even finished. Another line crossed, all before she put the cage back on me.
Her arms went around me as she said thank you for everything. And that she loved me even more. And that she loved me being her cuck.
That was our dinner date. Let your analysis begin I guess.
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Hey DDW,
Has your wife kept her relationship with him semi-private? Her friend(s) who connected them and had the house party know. But as far as you as a couple, has she kept it private with your (& her as a couple) friends? Or does everyone know now? She wore your key on her necklace (very visible) and now on an anklet (not as visible) out in public but that is not a declaration out right.
How do you feel about all this and where it could go? What is your biggest turn-on now and future? What is your biggest concern now and future?
Hope you are doing well. Hard to tell your mood about this sometimes. What has been your longest stint in chastity so far?
Thank you again for the updates!
Has your wife kept her relationship with him semi-private? Her friend(s) who connected them and had the house party know. But as far as you as a couple, has she kept it private with your (& her as a couple) friends? Or does everyone know now? She wore your key on her necklace (very visible) and now on an anklet (not as visible) out in public but that is not a declaration out right.
How do you feel about all this and where it could go? What is your biggest turn-on now and future? What is your biggest concern now and future?
Hope you are doing well. Hard to tell your mood about this sometimes. What has been your longest stint in chastity so far?
Thank you again for the updates!
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Semi-private? I guess so? They have gone to restaurants in public but I have not heard of any "I ran into your golf buddies".
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DDW - Um just wondering, is this meant to be your wife and her BF or really you and her?Deepdownwannabe wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:01 pmBeing that it is his work party I expect no one will know us.
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It’s “his” Christmas party, so no one present will know either Ddw or Ddw’s wife…Ddw is the writer, therefore says “us”. That’s how I read it.
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Well I guess there is two things for sure. 1. She will not be coming home on Friday night and you will be spending it alone. 2. You will be in chastity.
Maybe she will send you a pic of them together at the party. That would be nice.
Do you get to see her get dressed on Friday, before the party. or is that just when she dates on Saturdays?
Maybe she will send you a pic of them together at the party. That would be nice.
Do you get to see her get dressed on Friday, before the party. or is that just when she dates on Saturdays?
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She must have known that question was coming as she told me she would not be home after work the night of the party and she would get ready at his place. "Sorry cuck, that will be the first time you won't see me get ready" were the exact words she used. The part that got me is she had a smile going as she told me.
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Well, DDW, another turning point in your journey this morning? It'll be interesting to hear what she says before leaving for work this morning. Any specific instructions or orders... or 'digs' to amp up your anxiety?
Will she be home Saturday or Sunday, or if Saturday, are there plans for an evening out, just the two of you?
Her statement from your night out last week has me wondering. "She said she wanted to go further down the cuckold path and that she would. I had no idea what that meant and she didn't divulge any secrets only that she felt the surface had only been scratched as it related to this cuckold dynamic."
She's had a week to think about that and, I'm sure she's coordinated with him. Has anything surfaced, or do you suspect it'll come out, just before she goes out the door this morning?
Since he will be the one watching her prepare for the party and getting dressed, I wonder how that'll impact him? Will that become the next thing you lose? Her nudity? I can only imagine the 'tease factor' if she sprung something like that on you.
Hang in there, DDW. There's a lot of guys out here that have your back...........
Will she be home Saturday or Sunday, or if Saturday, are there plans for an evening out, just the two of you?
Her statement from your night out last week has me wondering. "She said she wanted to go further down the cuckold path and that she would. I had no idea what that meant and she didn't divulge any secrets only that she felt the surface had only been scratched as it related to this cuckold dynamic."
She's had a week to think about that and, I'm sure she's coordinated with him. Has anything surfaced, or do you suspect it'll come out, just before she goes out the door this morning?
Since he will be the one watching her prepare for the party and getting dressed, I wonder how that'll impact him? Will that become the next thing you lose? Her nudity? I can only imagine the 'tease factor' if she sprung something like that on you.
Hang in there, DDW. There's a lot of guys out here that have your back...........