Young married guy here

[RunDannyRun]

Hey @SheLikesWhenIWatch. Thanks for the detailed response.

For what it is worth, I had always been an anxious person and I didn't even want to buy the house as I thought we were not ready. Lauren is more optimistic and confident person and she was the one who convinced me to buy the house toghether. Lauren and I earn decently and even when there was a chance that I was gonna get laid off, Lauren was not at all bothered as she knew that I have majored in computer science from a top-tier university and I work for a very reputable company. We bought a modest home in an exurb (we both work remote/work from home) and we had some help from Lauren's family. We are also very disciplined when it comes to saving and keeping ourselves fit (we cook 6 days a week at home and go out once in a week to our favorite spot, run a lot).

My performance issues are mainly due to general anxiety that has been plaguing me for sometime but got exacerbated last year.

I will probably not do anything for now and just observe them.

[LawyerWouldbeCuckold]

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[joel68]

A lot of advice. If you are proceeding with this, have you thought about or decided upon how you will initially broach the subject with her?

Just wondering how you plan on bringing it up.

[RunDannyRun]

A lot of advice. If you are proceeding with this, have you thought about or decided upon how you will initially broach the subject with her?

Just wondering how you plan on bringing it up.

For now I will just wait and see if they have any chemistry before I make my move. If Lauren absolutely loathes him, there is not point risking it.

[joel68]

True. She will need to want it, at least a little bit.

[lanceHarden25]

Im loving this thread.

[Babyboy]

I also love this thread. I hope to see future updates. I do have a question. Do you simple want to be cucked or do you wish to see them dating?

[wannabecUKold]

Stevens4fun said: “All I can say is: based on our experience, you could step back from pushing your wife and simply give the two of them plenty of time alone, be supportive if things start to jell but most important, don't push. Your wife may be saying she hates your brother because she really hates him, or she may be saying it because she knows she might let herself be seduced by him”.

I agree.
I would think that giving them plenty of time alone would be enough to get your stepbrother to make a move towards her. (Indeed, have you not thought that Adam may be spinning a cock and bull story of needing to stay, in order to get into your wife’s panties?)
Yes, your wife dislikes his macho-politics but that macho behaviour could make her lust after him.
You could tell Adam about your ED to encourage him. Indeed perhaps suggest to your wife that it’s still a problem and let her get horny. Remark to your wife how fit Adam looks. And vice versa.
Summer is with us so encourage skimpy clothing. Maybe Adam could buy you a hot tub as a rent payment. Show him he’s allowed to be playful with her, you’re OK with it. Make the same clear to her. Encourage a sexual tension in the house. Then surely you can engineer an out of town overnight business meeting?

Play it by ear and see where it goes.
But remember, you won’t be in control of it. Once she knows she has your green light to make a move on him, she’ll be in charge of her body. And once they fuck, there’s an obvious risk that she’ll prefer the older, more virile, man, however much she begins by rejecting him.

[stevens4fun]

"She likes when I watch" makes an excellent point that I'm embarrassed I didn't mention: in addition to going slow and reacting to the right cues from your wife, our experience suggests that as the husband you need to think about what the long game would be like for each of you. My wife had two long-term BFs during our marriage, one of 10+ years and one of 4 years and she was in love with the 4 year BF. Ending it was painful, but not ending it would have caused problems in HIS marriage so my wife was the mature one and broke it off. It was horrible. For my wife and I - we found that getting out of an established sexual and emotional extra-marital relationship was far more painful and difficult than getting into it. F'd us up for months and I'm not sure my wife ever got over it.

By "brother," do you mean a bio brother, or simply a "bestie?" Sorry, I wasn't clear.

If your wife clicks with him - After he moves out, they may want lots of time together - will you feel left out if your wife goes to his place for sex? As my wife took control and really began enjoying her boyfriend, I loved it, but... I felt left out. It was her coaching and love that enabled me to deal with it, then thrive on it. It took a while to get used to it although when she was with him it continued to excite me.

Lots to think about and your situation is REALLY unique in that your wife "loathes" him. Usually (in my experience, anyway!) a woman will be interested in a man she finds attractive for whatever reasons. I hope some of the ladies on our forum will chime in on this one! I have no clue! :-)))))))

[RunDannyRun]

I also love this thread. I hope to see future updates. I do have a question. Do you simple want to be cucked or do you wish to see them dating?

I do not have any interesting updates yet. I followed the advice of folks here and didn't mention anything yet to either Adam or Lauren.

I am not sure what I want to be honest. For now i just wanna see them fuck haha.

[RunDannyRun]

Stevens4fun said: “All I can say is: based on our experience, you could step back from pushing your wife and simply give the two of them plenty of time alone, be supportive if things start to jell but most important, don't push. Your wife may be saying she hates your brother because she really hates him, or she may be saying it because she knows she might let herself be seduced by him”.

I agree.
I would think that giving them plenty of time alone would be enough to get your stepbrother to make a move towards her. (Indeed, have you not thought that Adam may be spinning a cock and bull story of needing to stay, in order to get into your wife’s panties?)
Yes, your wife dislikes his macho-politics but that macho behaviour could make her lust after him.
You could tell Adam about your ED to encourage him. Indeed perhaps suggest to your wife that it’s still a problem and let her get horny. Remark to your wife how fit Adam looks. And vice versa.
Summer is with us so encourage skimpy clothing. Maybe Adam could buy you a hot tub as a rent payment. Show him he’s allowed to be playful with her, you’re OK with it. Make the same clear to her. Encourage a sexual tension in the house. Then surely you can engineer an out of town overnight business meeting?

Play it by ear and see where it goes.
But remember, you won’t be in control of it. Once she knows she has your green light to make a move on him, she’ll be in charge of her body. And once they fuck, there’s an obvious risk that she’ll prefer the older, more virile, man, however much she begins by rejecting him.

Adam is definitely in trouble. He gives most of his salary to the mothers of his kids. She hates him mainly because of his politics. My wife phone banks and writes postcards for democrats lol. I am just taking it easy. Lauren is a bit stressed about her work and I didn't bring up any of my fantasies. Adam doesn't look like a Greek God lol. He used to be fit but his beer drinking might have caught up to him. I doesn't have a huge protruding gut or something but i remember his face being more angular and his arms being more defined. But he is still a good looking guy.

I will play it by the ear for now. I don't want to push Lauren into anything she doesn't want to do herself.

[RunDannyRun]

"She likes when I watch" makes an excellent point that I'm embarrassed I didn't mention: in addition to going slow and reacting to the right cues from your wife, our experience suggests that as the husband you need to think about what the long game would be like for each of you. My wife had two long-term BFs during our marriage, one of 10+ years and one of 4 years and she was in love with the 4 year BF. Ending it was painful, but not ending it would have caused problems in HIS marriage so my wife was the mature one and broke it off. It was horrible. For my wife and I - we found that getting out of an established sexual and emotional extra-marital relationship was far more painful and difficult than getting into it. F'd us up for months and I'm not sure my wife ever got over it.

By "brother," do you mean a bio brother, or simply a "bestie?" Sorry, I wasn't clear.

If your wife clicks with him - After he moves out, they may want lots of time together - will you feel left out if your wife goes to his place for sex? As my wife took control and really began enjoying her boyfriend, I loved it, but... I felt left out. It was her coaching and love that enabled me to deal with it, then thrive on it. It took a while to get used to it although when she was with him it continued to excite me.

Lots to think about and your situation is REALLY unique in that your wife "loathes" him. Usually (in my experience, anyway!) a woman will be interested in a man she finds attractive for whatever reasons. I hope some of the ladies on our forum will chime in on this one! I have no clue! :-)))))))

He is my ex-stepbrother. I don't even know if he is interested in Lauren yet or vice-versa. I am glad you are okay with how things turned out between you and your wife. I am sure i will be fine too.

[johntigger1469]

Sounds like a fun start! Looking forward to hearing more.

[sandy691196]

I think tonight start with the dream angle and tell her you had a dream she was teasing a guy and made you cum in your sleep

This is the best option so far. I also have a convincing backstory to go along with this. Thanks!

Danny do remember-

You are gonna give her 2 hurdles to cross- shocks perhaps-

1. The basic idea of breaching the marriage sanctity.

2. Doing it with a guy she hates. See it's not just about electoral politics. The kind of views held by Adam freaks out lots of liberal women, at the gut level. They extrapolate those political views on to what kind of a human being the person is. + she might interpret this as your attempt to sweeten up the deal. The unpleasant matter of his staying at your place.
If she sees it that way, she might seriously misunderstand you. It can all go south from that point. So watch out..

[RunDannyRun]

Hey folks,

I have a few updates but they are not that that earth-shattering. Adam has settled well into the house. Adam annoyed me the moment he entered our house. Adam always used to call me "Little man" when I was very young (6-7 years old). His first words when I saw him at the door were "What's up, little man". He usually greets me like when he meets me after long time. I complained a bit and then he started calling me Dan again.

We did some grocery shopping together. He got quite a few cans of beer and this is the first time we had alcohol in our house. Lauren and I are practically teetotallers (maybe a glass or two of wine in a year) and with alcoholics in both our families, we try not to keep alcohol in our house. Lauren was not a huge fan of this move.

Lauren and Adam are getting along okayishly. On Tuesday, Lauren went into the kitchen early in the morning, only to find Adam shirtless and in one of those old baggy boxers eating some cornflakes. She was apparently surprised and mentioned it to me later. I had to talk to Adam and ask him wear a t-shirt too while he is lounging around the house.

He was initially eating all his meals (mostly fast food) outside but I was surprised when Lauren suggested that he should eat dinner with us. Since Tuesday, he's eating dinner at our house. Lauren, unfortunately is not the best cook. So it is usually me who cooks the food. So, it was not a big deal to cook for Adam too.

Adam, unfortunately doesn't pick up after himself. I entered his room on Wednesday to talk to him about something but his room looked like a pigpen. Beer cans on the nightstand, gym clothes and dirty underwear scattered on the floor, and wet towel on the bed. I asked him to keep it a bit tidy but after a day, it got dirtier. I decided to clean up after him. I did his laundry and cleaned up his room. It took me just 45 minutes but I don't know why some people just can not spend a few minutes every day to keep things in order. I am very particular about keeping a clean house. He thanked me later for doing his laundry but nothing else and today, that the room again became very messy. While cleaning his room, I found some Magnum condoms. I haven't used condoms in a few years but for some reason I found them erotic.

So the most disappointing part of the update, Adam was not home yesterday night. I asked where he was and he grinned and said that he is fucking a college sophomore. He even showed me a picture of her. She is good looking but she is no Lauren (maybe I am biased). He spent the night at her place. So yeah... it seems like Adam is not really starved for love and I am at least glad that he is using condoms as he can not afford another child support payment.

Both Lauren and I work from home. So she didn't get to spend any alone time with Adam and I am sure Adam is spending most of his free time with that college chick. So nothing progressed between them.

[Gulfcpl]

Hey folks,

I have a few updates but they are not that that earth-shattering. Adam has settled well into the house. Adam annoyed me the moment he entered our house. Adam always used to call me "Little man" when I was very young (6-7 years old). His first words when I saw him at the door were "What's up, little man". He usually greets me like when he meets me after long time. I complained a bit and then he started calling me Dan again.

We did some grocery shopping together. He got quite a few cans of beer and this is the first time we had alcohol in our house. Lauren and I are practically teetotallers (maybe a glass or two of wine in a year) and with alcoholics in both our house, we try not to keep alcohol in our house. Lauren was not a huge fan of this move.

Lauren and Adam are getting along okayishly. On Tuesday, Lauren went into the kitchen early in the morning, only to find Adam shirtless and in one of those old baggy boxers eating some cornflakes. She was apparently surprised and mentioned it to me later. I had to talk to Adam and ask him wear a t-shirt too while he is lounging around the house.

He was initially eating all his meals (mostly fast food) outside but I was surprised when Lauren suggested that he should eat dinner with us. Since Tuesday, he's eating dinner at our house. Lauren, unfortunately is not the best cook. So it is usually me who cooks the food. So, it was not a big deal to cook for Adam too.

Adam, unfortunately doesn't pick up after himself. I entered his room on Wednesday to talk to him about something but his room looked like a pigpen. Beer cans on the nightstand, gym clothes and dirty underwear scattered on the floor, and wet towel on the bed. I asked him to keep it a bit tidy but after a day, it got dirtier. I decided to clean up after him. I did his laundry and cleaned up his room. It took me just 45 minutes but I don't know why some people just can not spend a few minutes every day to keep things in order. I am very particular about keeping a clean house. He thanked me later for doing his laundry but nothing else and today, that the room again became very messy. While cleaning his room, I found some Magnum condoms. I haven't used condoms in a few years but for some reason I found them erotic.

So the most disappointing part of the update, Adam was not home yesterday night. I asked where he was and he grinned and said that he is fucking a college sophomore. He even showed me a picture of her. She is good looking but she is no Lauren (maybe I am biased). He spent the night at her place. So yeah... it seems like Adam is not really starved for love and I am at least glad that he is using condoms as he can not afford another child support payment.

Both Lauren and I work from home. So she didn't get to spend any alone time with Adam and I am sure Adam is spending most of his free time with that college chick. So nothing progressed between them.

Don’t complain about his sloppiness. It’s your house not his. Why would he want to be tidy if you do everything for him? Tell him it’s your way or the highway. Also, if you don’t want alcohol in your home, you have that right. Your tolerance is ridiculous.

[dadah]

dan - fyi, i agree completely with gulfcpl !! you shouldn't put up with his pigsty slovenliness just in hopes that he might fuck your wife. there are plenty of other ways to get lauren laid, if she is open to getting laid. in my opinion the best and smartest approach is just to level with her about your kink. plant the seed and see where time and open, frank (and hopefully playful) conversation takes it. best of luck to you. da

[wannabecUKold]

Thanks for the update, Dan.

A very unsatisfactory lodger. However, from a cuckold point of view some of the things that irk you and Lauren could be helpful:
Adam walking around half naked clearly is useful if it shows his body and if his dangling cock is visible inside his shorts. (Pity Lauren asked you to tell him to wear a shirt.)
The slovenly room: it was quite submissive of you to clean it for him rather than demand he respects your place. Thanks, little man. Ditto you cooking him his supper, thanks Mom. Maybe Lauren will think the same.
The booze: buy some booze in for him. Play into his bad habits.
Adam's chick. The impact on Lauren>. Nothing like knowing a guy is screwing another girl to trigger a girl's lust. The magnum condoms also tell Lauren their story.

Gathering these together, I would think that you could paint Lauren an erotic image of a horny macho well-endowed guy.

Maybe you could suggest to Lauren that she could clean his room next time. And wash his underwear and shorts. The heavy male smell of the room and clothes may turn her on. Maybe you could let Adam see and hear you making out with Lauren. On hot days, he can be shirtless outside - tell him it's fine. Encourage Lauren too.

Have some drinks with Adam: it will loosen you up to be clearer to him what your fantasy is. Tell Adam that Lauren likes him,despite/because of his being an asshole. Tell Lauren that Adam fancies her, and he prefers her to his chick.

[RunDannyRun]

Hello folks,

Thanks for your suggestions so far. I have a major and a minor update. First the minor update, Adam is no longer seeing that college chick. She was just visiting her family and now she is gone.

Second, I finally told Lauren about my cuckold fantasies at the beginning of the week and this week has been the worst week in our relationship. On tuesday morning, after an impromptu sex (we usually have sex on Friday mornings and it has been a couple of weeks since we were intimate) and Lauren asked me what happened to me and I went with the dream idea. I told her that I had a dream yesterday that she was having sex with someone. She thought I was joking and and just laughed it off but my expression did not change. She asked me if I got turned on a lot because I imagined that she was having sex with someone else. I couldn't bring myself to say yes but I think she took my indecisiveness/silence as a yes.

She asked me directly if I want her to have sex with someone else. I just nodded yes and then that is when shit hit the fan. She said I was sick and she can not believe what I had become. After Adam left the house, she asked me if I was indirectly asking for an open marriage. I told her no and said I just want her to be with other men. She asked me what is in it for me and that is when I got tongue tied and I hoped I prepared better for this question. We had a small chat about how I am having some issues with my performance and Lauren tried reassuring me that everything is okay and she is happy with how things are and she said that this slump in our sex life is just temporary. She asked me if I wanted to leave her and, again, I don't know how she came to that conclusion. I told her repeatedly that I want to grow old with her but added that it turns me on when I think about her being with other guys. Then she hit with the biggie.... "Should we try couples counselling?". I felt like fish out of water and didn't even consider that she would bring that up. I told her no which just made her angry and she stopped talking to me. She didn't talk to me the rest of the day. She didn't even eat the food I made (she just had some PB&J sandwiches for lunch and dinner) . That night, I was not allowed to sleep in the master bedroom and since Adam was sleeping in the guest room, I was relegated to the living room couch.

Next day, Adam saw me on the couch and asked me if everything was okay. I told him that we had a small fight and he looked very apologetic. He asked if the fight was related to him but I told him that it was about something else. I got the silent treatment thorough out the morning from Lauren and I tried talking to her. She was definitely upset and her eyes were red. I told her what can I do to make things right with her. She said, sarcastically, erase yesterday's memories completely. She again suggested therapy, but this time only for me to see if I can ignore those feelings. I told her that it is part of my sexuality (I do not even know if this is true). I told her that I will send her some reading materials that can explain my desires better. She didn't say yes but also didn't say no. That night, I sent her a few articles and cuckoldry and again slept in the living room couch.

I tried talking to her again next day but she still gave me the silent treatment. Adam was concerned but he kept to himself and didn't bother us too much. Finally the day after, she asked me if we can talk. After work, we went to our favorite trail running spot and sat under a tree and had a long talk. She asked me how important cuckoldry is to me and to our marriage. I told her that it has always been a fantasy for me and I apologized for not bringing it up before marrying her. I told her that I only see cuckoldry making our marriage stronger. She told me that she read a lot about cuckoldry and she said that she felt disgusted initially, and she told me straight up that she can not imagine herself going out with different men on different days. She told me that sex for her is rather emotional and she already feels very guilty even thinking about breaking our marriage vows. But finally she said that she is open to trying it if it makes me happy. I didn't like the way she framed it and told her that she should also enjoy it and she shouldn't get into this just to make me happy. She said she can not be sure but she said she will try once just to know if she could even do it. I was screaming with joy internally but just nodded. We went home and we ate dinner together. I didn't bring up cuckolding at all for the rest of the day. I am allowed back in the bedroom and we had sex the next day and I didn't even take my blue pills lol.

After the love making, she asked me again if I got so horny because I was thinking about her being with with someone else. I probably had a guilty look on my face but this time she just smiled. She told me that I was just proving all the conservatives correct by being a soyboy/cuck.

I didn't say anything about Adam yet but that is the next step. I am just waiting for her to bring up cuckolding and I don't want to appear too eager and pressure her into doing things.

[sandy691196]

Don't even take Adam's name at this stage. It will explode. Wait till it comes to a serious discussion on candidates for doing it with

[proudhusb217]

Yikes... yeah don't mention Adam for this yet. She'll think you moved him in for that reason. It won't go over well!

[Tryn]

Dude! Pump the brakes! You need to take the time to fully recognize and understand the emotional firecracker you just set off for your wife! Sure she seems willing now, but seriously, why? She spent 2 days believing your relationship was significantly and truly messed up. She’s likely reacting in a “how can I salvage my marriage” mindset. That’s NOT a healthy emotional place to start exploring in real life! Seriously… only think from HER perspective! Stop thinking with your dick!! She is no where close to being able to emotionally handle connecting with another guy (as she said she needs) after the emotional shit storm she just went through.

[joel68]

Tryn,

Totally agree. There are posts here where the guy pushed the wife into it. Most did not end well.

Hopefully he will sit back, relax, and wait for her to bring it up again. But pushing it probably is not what he should do.

[Topitis]

Be patient, don't rush yourself and most importantly, don't rush her. Let her get used to this new information you just gave her on her own pace. Resist the urge and as Tryn said, stop thing with your dick.
My GF also freaked out when I told her about this fantasy. Took her a long time to even consider role-playing it.
Now is the time to reassure her how much she is important for you.

[Dream Weaver]

I think you've made great progress. A suggestion: Don't blow this because you are overly focused on Adam. Obviously he's a candidate, but that's up to her to let you know about.

She's opened the door, she might not walk through it for a while. Maybe it will be Adam, but I think there is very little upside to bringing up Adam as it should be obvious in her mind. Plus she might legitimately not want him.

So your victory will come another day. Be patient.