Young married guy here

[sandy691196]

Folks here know what I feel about Adam the despicable punk. Danny knows my apprehensions about the way this thing is unfolding.

But calling the 3rd round "rape" or "assault" is among the funniest woke BS one comes across these days!

Lauren goes to a man for sex night after night without sny coercion or without any compulsion inherent in the situation. In fact she is the one who is in the position of power since Adam is the poor relative here, critically dependent on this couple for room and board.
Just turn the genders around and see how it all looks. If you put me in court as Adam's lawyer, I would have made this into a shocking tale of sexual exploitation over months, where a powerful sister in law, nightly rapes a critically vulnerable and dependent brother in law, who showed up for shelter!
Of course that's not my belief even remotely! I am just saying how this situation can be viewed through the woke prism and through the Quixotic and nonsensical new definitions of rape.

If anyone says - how can Adam be "raped" if he is coming like a volcano multiple times a night. I would (again against my own beliefs) simply quote that other bit of nonsense about the "body reacting automatically and orgasming doesn't imply consent"... Jezus!

Lauren chooses to spoon, cuddle and romantically snuggle against his chest after and in between rounds of sex. She doesn't choose to get up, say thanks and call it a night EVER, during these nightly romantic escapades (I choose my words consciously because regardless of what ls in her mind or isn't, to the partner, and any other objective 3rd person, this isnt the behavior logically expected from a casual fuck buddy.. This is how lovers- legit or illicit, behave).

Adam has NEVER till date forced any physical act that Lauren has said no to (remember those early days when there was just kissing and making out day after day?).

In the earlier episodes of their nightly fucking, Adam has pushed many things persistently which Lauren ultimately got to love. His continuous pussy eating even after she has cum and her clit was super sensitive. She tried to push his head but he persisted and she enjoyed and came more!

A pattern was set whereby it was implied that Lauren is a sexual debutant who is eagerly lapping up all the new and wonderful stuff Adam is exposing her to. A new thing every now and then.

Last night what happened objectively? Nothing new. 2 lovers were cuddling and dozing after 2 rounds of the usual fireworks. Adam wakes up and introduces Lauren to the next round of the romantic, lover's drill.. i.e., slipping the morning wood into the lover's pussy from behind and have a "good morning round".

In marital beds or between lover's, in such a situation, if the lady is not feeling it that morning, she simply says - "Hon not now... or not today.. i wanna sleep.. tummy is rumbling.. head is heavy".. or whatever. The guys pleads a bit then turns over and goes back to sleep.

Lauren didn't respond with reluctance.. didn't push him off.. didn't even mumble a painfilled "No".. She went ahead and just did her usual lover's routine- moaning and cumming!

I would repeat that folks here know my views on Adam as a person. Danny knows my views on this high risk poly triad..
BUT let's not lose sight of the fact that Adam is a human being and not a PLC (Programmable Logic Controller) driven fuck machine.

What's the signal Lauren giving to Adam through her nightly, repeat behavior? A casual sex buddy scene with both getting off their jollies using each other?

Or a developing love affair with all the trimmings- she initiating sex and intimacy, night after night. She eagerly lapping up all the new stuff he brings on and she comes bsck for more night after night. She regularly falling asleep in his arms, spooning, cuddling.. the works.
They hugging and kissing when Adam is in the bathroom or out of home for a short chore.. i.e., everytime they have an opportunity, like eager lovers who can't get enough of each other? Finally giving each other intimate gifts!

How would any normal person interpret this? Adam didn't try any radically new stuff last night- like anal or fisting - to wake her up. Just the usual lover's poke in the pussy using morning wood! And he was rewarded / validated with a few orgasms from Lauren.

Let's remember that first time Lauren ventured into the LS. The fiasco with the first guy. A similar thing happened. They were making out and he took it to the next logical step by fondling her pussy. She didnt push him away, she enjoyed and orgasmed. Then later she freaked out and there was hell to pay, including Danny being put in the dog house!

In this instance, Danny can't say all these things to Lauren..She will interpret it as he taking Adam's side and him justifying Adam's thing so that the sex continues to tickle his cuck trip. But Adam can gently point out that Adam may be getting unintended messages through the way the nightly trysts happen.
Danny might softly point out that Adam is developing a sense of entitlement. The fact that Adam is "that kind of a person". And when that kind of a person feels entitled, he tends to get a bit out of hand.

This might be the opportunity for Danny to initiate a recalibration of the relationship. If Lauren agrees to the above analysis then she may just pick up the phone and tell Adam that "We have a good sex thing going but please understand that this is just sex. Certain things my husband is entitled to or I might feel OK to do in my marriage .. which I am not ok with in a fuck buddy liaison."

She doesn't have to be rude about it. But can be done in a counseling mode and clarifying mode. He may get the message and decide to continue with a good thing he has got on a platter,, without getting too ambitious.

This thing can be turned around to the couple's advantage.

[Angela Plays]

Folks here know what I feel about Adam the despicable punk. Danny knows my apprehensions about the way this thing is unfolding.

But calling the 3rd round "rape" or "assault" is among the funniest woke BS one comes across these days!

Lauren goes to a man for sex night after night without sny coercion or without any compulsion inherent in the situation. In fact she is the one who is in the position of power since Adam is the poor relative here, critically dependent on this couple for room and board.
Just turn the genders around and see how it all looks. If you put me in court as Adam's lawyer, I would have made this into a shocking tale of sexual exploitation over months, where a powerful sister in law, nightly rapes a critically vulnerable and dependent brother in law, who showed up for shelter!
Of course that's not my belief even remotely! I am just saying how this situation can be viewed through the woke prism and through the Quixotic and nonsensical new definitions of rape.

If anyone says - how can Adam be "raped" if he is coming like a volcano multiple times a night. I would (again against my own beliefs) simply quote that other bit of nonsense about the "body reacting automatically and orgasming doesn't imply consent"... Jezus!

Lauren chooses to spoon, cuddle and romantically snuggle against his chest after and in between rounds of sex. She doesn't choose to get up, say thanks and call it a night EVER, during these nightly romantic escapades (I choose my words consciously because regardless of what ls in her mind or isn't, to the partner, and any other objective 3rd person, this isnt the behavior logically expected from a casual fuck buddy.. This is how lovers- legit or illicit, behave).

Adam has NEVER till date forced any physical act that Lauren has said no to (remember those early days when there was just kissing and making out day after day?).

In the earlier episodes of their nightly fucking, Adam has pushed many things persistently which Lauren ultimately got to love. His continuous pussy eating even after she has cum and her clit was super sensitive. She tried to push his head but he persisted and she enjoyed and came more!

A pattern was set whereby it was implied that Lauren is a sexual debutant who is eagerly lapping up all the new and wonderful stuff Adam is exposing her to. A new thing every now and then.

Last night what happened objectively? Nothing new. 2 lovers were cuddling and dozing after 2 rounds of the usual fireworks. Adam wakes up and introduces Lauren to the next round of the romantic, lover's drill.. i.e., slipping the morning wood into the lover's pussy from behind and have a "good morning round".

In marital beds or between lover's, in such a situation, if the lady is not feeling it that morning, she simply says - "Hon not now... or not today.. i wanna sleep.. tummy is rumbling.. head is heavy".. or whatever. The guys pleads a bit then turns over and goes back to sleep.

Lauren didn't respond with reluctance.. didn't push him off.. didn't even mumble a painfilled "No".. She went ahead and just did her usual lover's routine- moaning and cumming!

I would repeat that folks here know my views on Adam as a person. Danny knows my views on this high risk poly triad..
BUT let's not lose sight of the fact that Adam is a human being and not a PLC (Programmable Logic Controller) driven fuck machine.

What's the signal Lauren giving to Adam through her nightly, repeat behavior? A casual sex buddy scene with both getting off their jollies using each other?

Or a developing love affair with all the trimmings- she initiating sex and intimacy, night after night. She eagerly lapping up all the new stuff he brings on and she comes bsck for more night after night. She regularly falling asleep in his arms, spooning, cuddling.. the works.
They hugging and kissing when Adam is in the bathroom or out of home for a short chore.. i.e., everytime they have an opportunity, like eager lovers who can't get enough of each other? Finally giving each other intimate gifts!

How would any normal person interpret this? Adam didn't try any radically new stuff last night- like anal or fisting - to wake her up. Just the usual lover's poke in the pussy using morning wood! And he was rewarded / validated with a few orgasms from Lauren.

Let's remember that first time Lauren ventured into the LS. The fiasco with the first guy. A similar thing happened. They were making out and he took it to the next logical step by fondling her pussy. She didnt push him away, she enjoyed and orgasmed. Then later she freaked out and there was hell to pay, including Danny being put in the dog house!

In this instance, Danny can't say all these things to Lauren..She will interpret it as he taking Adam's side and him justifying Adam's thing so that the sex continues to tickle his cuck trip. But Adam can gently point out that Adam may be getting unintended messages through the way the nightly trysts happen.
Danny might softly point out that Adam is developing a sense of entitlement. The fact that Adam is "that kind of a person". And when that kind of a person feels entitled, he tends to get a bit out of hand.

This might be the opportunity for Danny to initiate a recalibration of the relationship. If Lauren agrees to the above analysis then she may just pick up the phone and tell Adam that "We have a good sex thing going but please understand that this is just sex. Certain things my husband is entitled to or I might feel OK to do in my marriage .. which I am not ok with in a fuck buddy liaison."

She doesn't have to be rude about it. But can be done in a counseling mode and clarifying mode. He may get the message and decide to continue with a good thing he has got on a platter,, without getting too ambitious.

This thing can be turned around to the couple's advantage.

This!!!

[sandy691196]

I think this is Lauren’s way of dealing with her guilt from the most amazing night of her life.
She can’t come back to you and say that, so she wants you to feel responsible for letting/encouraging her to be there at that moment, asleep and feeling the intrusion of his cock, un-asked for.

Lauren is a complex person. She is a cerebral person who tries to attach meanings to experiences from her repertoire of theories rather than the natural reality of those experiences..
In their first foray into the LS, she freaked out when the guy touched her pussy and made her feel good (made her cum?).. In her mind that item was off the list on that date. So not kosher.
Last night she felt good about everything as usual.. But in her mental library of theories, one doesn't have sex while sleeping. In her limited sex life with Danny.. these things never happened..In real time she of course felt good..But the "meaning'" she attached to that pleasure was negative.

Your point about her feeling guilty. Why now? Why would she feel guilty now? This was a planned thing. Danny accompanied her downstairs..The usual loud, great sex happened.
Unless something else happened.. that was new and out of the rule book. The L word? Did they say their "I love yous" in each other's arms last night? Is Lauren freaking out on that part and trying to shut out the positivity- pleasure of the night from her consciousness?
After her meltdown in the morning, she didn't (didn't have to under the circumstances) give a detailed description of the night to Danny as usual. Was there something in the night that she didn't want to recall / talk about?
Throwing a hissy fit gave her an out from having to describe that "taboo" stuff?

[Midnight Joker]

Perfectly said.

I'm also thinking (from your next post) that something more happened that freaked her out.

[joel68]

Midnight,

That could very well be possible.

[Gearup]

 Danny
Timeline of last night's marathon fuck of Lauren - Summary of Danny's posts from 1am EST to 5:09 EST

should things settle down and Lauren share her thoughts about the night - might be nice for you to post her thoughts collated into your timeline posts. 4 hours of Lauren getting fucked - an awesome read!

For those of you who were not there to sit live with Danny as this unfolded - you missed an epic event.

Thanks once again Danny for sharing your life with all of us
________________________________________________________________________________


by RunDannyRun » Thu Dec 19, 2024 10:00 pm
Folks, Lauren went into his room some 10 minutes ago and i can already hear her moaning.


by RunDannyRun » Thu Dec 19, 2024 10:02 pm
She wore on of the lingerie sets he got her. Yes. We went down together.


by RunDannyRun » Thu Dec 19, 2024 10:12 pm
I think she came a couple of times already.


by RunDannyRun » Thu Dec 19, 2024 10:19 pm
Luigical1931 wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 19, 2024 10:15 pm
RunDannyRun wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 19, 2024 10:12 pm
I think she came a couple of times already.
You think from oral?

How intense is it?

You feeling okay?
Most likely yes. but usually they should start the main act but I am still hearing similar noises. Maybe he really likes to eat her pussy.

I am doing great!


by RunDannyRun » Thu Dec 19, 2024 10:28 pm
I think he is getting her to squirt. Could tell her by her screams lol.


by RunDannyRun » Thu Dec 19, 2024 10:37 pm
Luigical1931 wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 19, 2024 10:29 pm
I thought he would today. Wouldn’t be surprised if she asked him to do it again.

What was different? Was it the noise or what you could hear them saying?
kind of. These are different kind of moans. But I am just guessing.


by RunDannyRun » Thu Dec 19, 2024 10:47 pm
They started to fuck now. I can hear from her moans and the bed noises that he is thrusting.


by RunDannyRun » Thu Dec 19, 2024 11:22 pm
they have finished their fucking some 10 minutes ago. I heard Lauren go to the bathroom and then go back to his room. No noises yet. They are just cuddling. I tried to listen as much as possible and stopped updating here.


by RunDannyRun » Thu Dec 19, 2024 11:26 pm
Luigical1931 wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 19, 2024 11:25 pm
RunDannyRun wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 19, 2024 11:22 pm
they have finished their fucking some 10 minutes ago. I heard Lauren go to the bathroom and then go back to his room. No noises yet. They are just cuddling. I tried to listen as much as possible and stopped updating here.
Amazing. How did it sound? Slow and romantic or a bit rougher? Did she sound like she had any more orgasms?
I think it was not that rough. His thrusts got a bit faster towards the end but it was mostly a slow fuck.


by RunDannyRun » Thu Dec 19, 2024 11:28 pm
Well Round two started. She seems like she is in bliss.


 by RunDannyRun » Thu Dec 19, 2024 11:32 pm
The first round was after a few days. I think he just wanted it to be for her pleasure. I can still hear her lustful moans. The high pitched whines whenever she came. The encouraging moans whenever he thrusted into her pussy at the right angle -- damn her bliss is my bliss.


by RunDannyRun » Thu Dec 19, 2024 11:58 pm
They are still going on but he likes to pause for like a few minutes after every 15 minutes of fucking. Maybe not to cum too soon haha. But this is more rough. I could hear the bed creak a bit louder and her moans are a bit shorter.


by RunDannyRun » Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:01 am
I am sure they are still fucking but it seems like they are back to how they were fucking in round one - slow and romantic.


by RunDannyRun » Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:15 am
After a few minutes of what I can only describe as robust thrusting, he came. Lauren just walked into the bathroom.


by RunDannyRun » Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:41 am
Luigical1931 wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:25 am
joel68 wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:20 am
I do believe the bathroom could be off Adam’s room. But I could be wrong. But from previous posts, that is what I believe.
I got the impression it was down the hall from his room, but near?

Probably won’t happen anyway, but though the really good do with seeing her just after she’s been fucked like that
you are right. I also don't want to impose myself on her time with Adam lol.


by RunDannyRun » Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:43 am
There are no more noises coming from their room. Seems like both are exhausted. I will wait her for sometime to see if anything else happens.


by RunDannyRun » Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:50 am
sandy691196 wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:46 am
Luigical1931 wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:16 am
RunDannyRun wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:15 am
After a few minutes of what I can only describe as robust thrusting, he came. Lauren just walked into the bathroom.
Suggestion - go into the bathroom and reclaim her quickly before she goes back to him
Its an attached washroom I believe..
No. She has to go out of his room to get to the bathroom. We do have an attached bathroom for our bedroom.



by RunDannyRun » Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:54 am
Luigical1931 wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:52 am
So, have you enjoyed your time listening (so far)?
yes. But I feel sleepy lol. I didn't sleep well on Thursday night. I envy Adam that he can sleep for just 4 hours and be very cheerful and full function next day.


by RunDannyRun » Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:59 am
sandy691196 wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:57 am
RunDannyRun wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:54 am
Luigical1931 wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:52 am
So, have you enjoyed your time listening (so far)?
yes. But I feel sleepy lol. I didn't sleep well on Thursday night. I envy Adam that he can sleep for just 4 hours and be very cheerful and full function next day.
So did you get to cum yet? At least once?
Yes. Just before they finished.


by RunDannyRun » Fri Dec 20, 2024 1:36 am
Sorry folks i dozed off and you all are absolutely correct. I hear her moans again. Damn. He is not letting her sleep.


by RunDannyRun » Fri Dec 20, 2024 1:38 am
sandy691196 wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 20, 2024 1:28 am
RunDannyRun wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:59 am
sandy691196 wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:57 am
RunDannyRun wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:54 am

yes. But I feel sleepy lol. I didn't sleep well on Thursday night. I envy Adam that he can sleep for just 4 hours and be very cheerful and full function next day.
So did you get to cum yet? At least once?
Yes. Just before they finished.
In the midst of such intensity some hubbies cum hands-free! Did you need to touch yourself? Sorry if its intrusive.. But you know how we live this vicariously through you..
I did jerk off. But it was an amazing orgasm for me. I thought my body was floating for a few seconds.



by RunDannyRun » Fri Dec 20, 2024 1:49 am
They are still going on. This shouldn't be normal. Average couple's intercourse lasts 10 minutes! Poor Lauren.


by RunDannyRun » Fri Dec 20, 2024 1:51 am
Luigical1931 wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 20, 2024 1:46 am
Had a feeling there would be more to come this time. Reckon this will be the last one or will there be more?

Please tell me you plan to reclaim her afterwards? I honestly think you need to in order to show her that you’re 100% okay with it.

I agree with Sandy, don’t let her shower. Imagine going down on her freshly fucked pussy as she tells you exactly what happened.

Can imagine your orgasm was a good one listening in to that
I don't know how reclaiming her will indicate that i am 100% okay with what's happening. She already knows. I am a bit squeamish about it. Maybe I will lose my apprehensions later.


by RunDannyRun » Fri Dec 20, 2024 1:53 am
Luigical1931 wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 20, 2024 1:50 am
RunDannyRun wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 20, 2024 1:49 am
They are still going on. This shouldn't be normal. Average couple's intercourse lasts 10 minutes! Poor Lauren.
Do you actually feel sorry for her? I’m going to presume she sounds like she’s okay with it??
She will be super cranky tomorrow due to the sleep deprivation and exhausting workout that Adam is putting her through.



by RunDannyRun » Fri Dec 20, 2024 1:57 am
The sex this time was fairly slow in the beginning. But it has picked up some pace last 5 minutes. I can even hear him saying something. I think he is close to cumming.


by RunDannyRun » Fri Dec 20, 2024 2:01 am
Luigical1931 wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 20, 2024 1:59 am
I’d imagine it was fairly lazy at first as they’ve both dozed off, but will be picking up now.

How many times do you think she’s cum?

Do you still think she’s wearing the lingerie or has that come off? I know you don’t know, but just wondering how you’re imagining it?
I think she probably came more than 20 times. She is most likely naked. They are also finished.


by RunDannyRun » Fri Dec 20, 2024 2:09 am
I am not sure but I am done. my head is killing and my eyes are hurting while staying open. I am just waiting for Lauren to go to the bathroom and maybe see if she goes up or goes back to Adam.


 by RunDannyRun » Fri Dec 20, 2024 2:29 am
She didn't go to the bathroom. They are probably sleeping. I need to go to bed as I have to drive a bit in the evening,. Thanks for being with me through this night. I will ask Lauren and dish out more details once I wake up in a few hours.

[trecital]

I believe 51 men were just convicted of rape for having sex with a sleeping women. If several hours have passed, you ask.

No comparison.

The woman in the case you are referring to was drugged by her husband, so that she was unconscious. He had sex with her while she was unconscious.
He did this on numerous occasions, inviting strangers he met on the internet, to come round and fuck his unconscious wife, while he videoed them.

His wife was unconscious, not just sleepy, like Lauren was.

[FNQLivin]

I think a few people here are not understanding the modern definition of consent, as it relates to sex. A woman can, at any time, withdraw consent. If you do not stop at that point, you are committing a sexual assault.

In Australian classrooms, boys and girls are taught that consent must be sought and must be obtained before sexual activity takes place. They are also taught how that doesn’t need to remove spontaneity nor ruin fun. You cannot assume that because someone previously consented, that that consent continues.

With luck and over time, we will all learn this and then us men will also realise that there by the grace of god, we are not convicted sex predators, because women have been being sexually assaulted for Millenia and just had to accept it.

Simply, don’t put your dick in a sleeping woman, unless she had previously said, “hey, I really would like you to fuck me when you wake up”

[trecital]

I hugged her and said that she is right to feel the way she is feeling. She wasn’t crying but she was in deep thinking mode for the past few hours. I made some lunch for both of us and we decided to stay home for the night. I am horrified that I might have jerked off to my wife getting assaulted.

Lauren decided to do some last minute shopping and I went into our room to find out that she leaked Adam’s cum on our sheets. I stripped the sheets from the bed and took them to the laundry room.

In one paragraph you are telling us that you are "horrified that I might have jerked off to my wife getting assaulted".
And in the following paragraph you are writing about Adam's cum leaking on the sheets.
Why the obvious titillation immediately after your comment about you being "horrified"?

It strikes me that you are deliberately jerking peoples chains with your comments.

A mix of controversy and titillation.

I really hesitated if I should post this but decided to do this anyway as I felt getting the opinion of you all could put things in better perspective.

No, I don't think you hesitated at all. Hungry for clicks?

[Luigical1931]

Guys, I’m saying this as somebody who has been one of the biggest pervs on this thread and tried to push some things I wanted to see happen onto Danny (unsuccessfully mind you).

We need to give them some time now. Obviously a lot has gone on. Whether we think it’s right or wrong, I think that’s for Danny and Lauren to talk about, process and decide what they want to do going forward. They then need to speak to Adam about it as he needs to also be on the same wave length and understand Lauren’s views on it.

They may well need some time and I’m sure Danny will have appreciated everybody’s opinion on it as it will have helped him form his own view, but let’s see what he brings when he returns now.

Danny, have a great festive period, enjoy whatever your plans are. Oh and try and catch up on your sleep haha

[ColoCuck75]

Guys, I’m saying this as somebody who has been one of the biggest pervs on this thread and tried to push some things I wanted to see happen onto Danny (unsuccessfully mind you).

We need to give them some time now. Obviously a lot has gone on. Whether we think it’s right or wrong, I think that’s for Danny and Lauren to talk about, process and decide what they want to do going forward. They then need to speak to Adam about it as he needs to also be on the same wave length and understand Lauren’s views on it.

They may well need some time and I’m sure Danny will have appreciated everybody’s opinion on it as it will have helped him form his own view, but let’s see what he brings when he returns now.

Danny, have a great festive period, enjoy whatever your plans are. Oh and try and catch up on your sleep haha

Agreed!

[sandy691196]

I think a few people here are not understanding the modern definition of consent, as it relates to sex. A woman can, at any time, withdraw consent. If you do not stop at that point, you are committing a sexual assault.

In Australian classrooms, boys and girls are taught that consent must be sought and must be obtained before sexual activity takes place. They are also taught how that doesn’t need to remove spontaneity nor ruin fun. You cannot assume that because someone previously consented, that that consent continues.

With luck and over time, we will all learn this and then us men will also realise that there by the grace of god, we are not convicted sex predators, because women have been being sexually assaulted for Millenia and just had to accept it.

Simply, don’t put your dick in a sleeping woman, unless she had previously said, “hey, I really would like you to fuck me when you wake up”

I am sorry to say that this is pure, unalloyed BS.. Lauren DID NOT withdraw consent at any stage, at any time, on any day. When she woke up with his dick in her pussy, she could have "withdrawn consent" right away or after collecting her wits. Instead she CHOSE to keep getting royally fucked, moaning all the time, audible to Danny in the next room (as described by Danny here - the 3rd round) and then coming multiple times over the next half an hour!
If this is "rape" it just shows how deeply nonsensical, unscientific and non functional this "modern definitions" have made normal human society. As per the science of communication- 93% of all feelings and emotions are communicated nonverbally. Verbose and verbal communication is effective and relevant to data, information, facts, business transactions and the weather!

This is just gaslighting the male partner ex post facto. Sex is not a business transaction or even a sports item. Its a deeply passionate and emotional thing. The lure of the unknown and breaking new ground, doing new things feed this passion. Many women have described the awesome excitement inherent in waking up the partner's dick in her pussy! Or tapping her lips! People who don't know these things- know nothing about sex! I have met plenty of girls who, while describing past "missed opportunities", said - "I so wish he had come and kissed me (or held me or hugged me or initiated stuff proactively without making her say yes explicitly. Often a woman doesnt wanna ruin it by making it verbose!

Just because in "Australian class rooms" (and all over woke lands), they preach that "it doesn't take away from spontaneity" doesn't mean that it doesn't kill spontaneity by making sex a game of Russian Roulette.

And malicious BS like saying "men have been predators all through history and have raped their women down the ages and we are lucky as a gender not to have been prosecuted since they didnt complain" is what has destroyed the noble concept of liberalism. These Trojan Horses infiltrated the Liberal camp and made it implode. When the rabid RW disparagingly call Liberals "cuck boys".. we must realise that these sickos in the Liberal camp have made all of us look like sacrificial, dumb, self destructing lab animals in the minefields of social engineering! Recently a Canadian lady politician (wont name her) said on social media, in response to this kinda nonsense - "if my husband has to take affirmative consent when he kisses me, I would much rather he didnt kiss me"!

I am sorry for this rant. But this gender apartheid nonsense on a sex positive site, can't be allowed to ride..

[wannabecUKold]

 Danny
Timeline of last night's marathon fuck of Lauren - Summary of Danny's posts from 1am EST to 5:09 EST

Well done Gearup. A public service.

Seeing it altogether in one place shows what a marathon it was.

[jeffx]

I really hope Danny doesn't read all of this and think "to hell with this" and decide not to post anymore.

[RunDannyRun]

Folks,

Thanks for your messages. We had a nice quiet night yesterday. Yesterday evening, Adam finished his work and came home to pack a bag for his trip. He was surprised to see me home. He asked me, “You are still here? I thought you were going away for the weekend”. I told him, “Yeah. We cancelled at the last moment. We will just be home.” He said, “You can still join us, you know?” (I am also friends with some of Adams friends and I got an invite to the bachelor party last week). I said, “Nah. Thanks for the invite”. I felt like he wanted to ask more questions but he hesitated and didn’t ask any. He soon left.

Lauren came home some 40 minutes after he left and we mostly spoke about our trip to her parents house. I made her favorite dish and after dinner, she still looked like she was in a gloomy mood. I didn’t say anything and she finally spoke about Thursday night. She told me that she thought about what happened multiple times over the day and she realized that there should have been better communication from her side. She realized that she should have been more forceful in saying no if she didn’t want sex. But she was actually okay with the having sex. She just wished he woke her up or said something before doing anything. She then told me that she also had sex when he was drunk and maybe this whole concept of consent is not as black and white as she had it in her mind. She also mentioned that Adam didn’t mean any harm and he probably got carried away. She said she will talk to him once he is back.

We will probably go somewhere this weekend and I will update you on Monday. The way I see it, Adam and Lauren won’t get to sleep together till next year.

[jeffx]

That's good Danny, I'm glad things are working out. Have a good Christmas and New Year.

[Luigical1931]

Thanks for the update Danny, glad you two have been able to discuss it properly. Really important that.

Hopefully she will update you on the other parts of the night over the weekend.

Have a good weekend!

[sandy691196]

Folks,

Thanks for your messages. We had a nice quiet night yesterday. Yesterday evening, Adam finished his work and came home to pack a bag for his trip. He was surprised to see me home. He asked me, “You are still here? I thought you were going away for the weekend”. I told him, “Yeah. We cancelled at the last moment. We will just be home.” He said, “You can still join us, you know?” (I am also friends with some of Adams friends and I got an invite to the bachelor party last week). I said, “Nah. Thanks for the invite”. I felt like he wanted to ask more questions but he hesitated and didn’t ask any. He soon left.

Lauren came home some 40 minutes after he left and we mostly spoke about our trip to her parents house. I made her favorite dish and after dinner, she still looked like she was in a gloomy mood. I didn’t say anything and she finally spoke about Thursday night. She told me that she thought about what happened multiple times over the day and she realized that there should have been better communication from her side. She realized that she should have been more forceful in saying no if she didn’t want sex. But she was actually okay with the having sex. She just wished he woke her up or said something before doing anything. She then told me that she also had sex when he was drunk and maybe this whole concept of consent is not as black and white as she had it in her mind. She also mentioned that Adam didn’t mean any harm and he probably got carried away. She said she will talk to him once he is back.

We will probably go somewhere this weekend and I will update you on Monday. The way I see it, Adam and Lauren won’t get to sleep together till next year.

Now that things are OK.. would you request a more detailed blow by blow account as is the usual drill?
Would you ask whether he said anything special or romantic in view of the coming "separation" for a longish time?

Last evening, Adam saw you alone at home. Lauren was obviously outside..Then Lauren returns after a while and gives a "it's all OK.. he didn't mean bad.. it was my bad I didn't clearly communicate" spiel.
Is there any chance that Adam called Lauren after he left you..to say something sweet for the vacations.. and to check if everything is fine (remember he appeared to be on the verge of asking you something when he came to pack?).
Maybe he sensed something could be wrong between you 2 (she left her lingerie panties in his / their room, remember!?)..

Was that the time when he and Lauren sorted out last night's issue? Maybe kissed and made up? She returned after half an hour of his leaving.. Could he have hung around near your place to kiss her goodbye before she got home?

[Georgematthias]

Glad to hear Lauren reached this conclusion with your support. (very cerebral) I think it is on the money. She has established constructs based on what she has been exposed to in life that are not holding up in real life. I'm glad she is questioning and rethinking them.

It is yet to be seen how she wants to move forward, but I think they will be back at it before the end of the year if you can afford to give them a few hours of alone time. They are both too horny,

Some have suggested this is a ruse on Lauren's part to hide something else that occurred during their love making. Nope. Lauren is a sensitive lady learning about the real world. This has consumed her.

Adam is a walking time bomb of bad choices he later regrets, but in this case, I think he is oblivious to anything even perceived as a bad choice.

Sandy, love your style of writing and usually agree with major portions of your analyses. I usually don't agree with your next steps simply because we have differing opinions of where this can / should go. But, I do look forward to reading your perspectives.

Danny, don't feel bad about jerking off while Adam was sending Lauren to her magical home she loves to regularly visit. It's something most any of us would be doing given the opportunity of having a sweet wife next door in the arms of her lover. I still contend Lauren was not assaulted and it seems she is also reaching that conclusion. Don't feel bad. Feel good that Lauren is taking another step forward on her hotwife path. This is another portion of the trail that happens to be a little rocky.

Take care Danny.

[MatureCouple]

Okay, after reading @sandy691196's last post, I think the trajectory has abruptly changed. Things probably got hot and heavy between Adam and Lauren. What if Lauren spilled the beans to Adam? And THAT is what Adam wanted to talk to Danny about, but just couldn't bring himself to do it. And Lauren's demeanor was actually a reaction to telling Adam the truth.

[RunDannyRun]

I know that some people think that there is this conspiracy where Lauren is hiding something from me but in that 40 minute window, she was talking to me for 15 minutes on phone. I can imagine that she and Adam might have some feelings for each other but I also believe that Lauren will be truthful to me if she senses something changed in our rel;ationship.

[Midnight Joker]

I know that some people think that there is this conspiracy where Lauren is hiding something from me but in that 40 minute window, she was talking to me for 15 minutes on phone. I can imagine that she and Adam might have some feelings for each other but I also believe that Lauren will be truthful to me if she senses something changed in our rel;ationship.

Conspiracy or lying? No. Something related to Adam but unrelated to the 'consent' issue, yes. Based on what you've said, she will be truthful, but may not know how to approach that with you.

[parmaham55]

Hi Danny, thank you for keeping us so well updated. You are brilliant.

I'd say it's important that you hear the full details of their night together - it is part of the ritual now - you have had that from her every time.

Even if you don't get chance to relay all that to us, it will be important for you and Lauren to share that experience, I mean mainly the happier part of the first two rounds.

[Luigical1931]

I know that some people think that there is this conspiracy where Lauren is hiding something from me but in that 40 minute window, she was talking to me for 15 minutes on phone. I can imagine that she and Adam might have some feelings for each other but I also believe that Lauren will be truthful to me if she senses something changed in our rel;ationship.

I think it’s natural that she would have some feelings towards him. It’s just making sure her feelings towards you also remain healthy.

I think you actually mentioned near the start of the journey that she said she would struggle to sleep with somebody she didn’t have a connection/feelings to. That probably hasn’t changed.

She may not like all his views, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a connection there.

I don’t see an issue with that. There will of course be a time where you have to decide how to proceed (or not proceed) with this going forward, but I don’t think that time is yet, personally.

[sandy691196]

I know that some people think that there is this conspiracy where Lauren is hiding something from me but in that 40 minute window, she was talking to me for 15 minutes on phone. I can imagine that she and Adam might have some feelings for each other but I also believe that Lauren will be truthful to me if she senses something changed in our rel;ationship.

Conspiracy? No.. Lauren's nature and character doesnt support a conspiracy against Danny over this relationship issue. Its something in the moment. Perhaps some faux pas that happened in the midst of emotions and passion. Now she is seeking space and time to work things out optimally - how to put it across to Danny, in what form, with what aim.. how would it play out in different scenarios based on how she puts it across.

What are the objective facts in the situation as distinct from the subjective red herring (consent issue) that has been brought in as a show stopper for all factual discussions? Lauren had a mega sex night.. went 3 rounds.. stayed 5 odd hrs in his room (the longest till date) and didnt return till 6ish? Another record.

Then, for the first time, she didnt give Danny any opportunity to debrief her on the details of the night.. which was kinda de rigueur all these days. So she gave herself a break from talking about the details till she has had time to organise her thoughts and work things out in her mind.

Why?

Then Adam comes in and acts the oddest in all these days- about to say something when he hears that they have cancelled the vacation- but finally doesnt say it.

Why?

Then Lauren returns and soon says that everything is all right once more.. and it was apparently her fault in not communicating. She also admits that she had been thinking about this all day! What did she think for 2 days and apparently sorted out with no external inputs? She had sex with Adam when he was drunk.. This was a recent thing so not something she remembered from years back!
He is kinda well meaning and impetuous- meant no harm.. Duh! What made her feel he had meant harm and then changed her belief to "no harm"..

What profound new (external?) input did she get after 2 days to change her perception? Nothing is new in the equation. Adam is what he always was. Nothing new happened in that bedroom apparently save the morning poke.. to merit so much thinking..

So what was it?

Something happened that night in that room in the heat of passion. On the last night before the lovers' temporary separation.. Something that Lauren didnt share verbatim with Danny like the other things that she shares for the other nights..
Something which made Adam think that there may have been a blow up between Danny and Lauren which made them cancel the vacation.. Adam held back from asking Danny if the change in plan was due to some problem with Lauren. That clearly was what he was about to blurt out. It was obviously playing in his mind too..

What was that something?

If Danny is interested it finding that out, he best put it to Lauren soon before she has more time to work things out and organise a story.

The question can be simple. "I think Adam was concerned about something that happened that night and that it may have caused a problem between you and me.. actually now that you are out of the negative mood .. lets catch up in details on the night.. like we always do"..

And Danny make sure you ask her a pointed question, looking her in the eyes- "did something different happen that night apart from the usual sex?"

Lets see where this goes.. We are all kinda stake holders in this now!