Seeking guidance regarding next best step.

[vixenwolfcouple]

hmmmmm that's a good plan per se. But doesn't that go against her basic nature?

Her nature is such as she is very elegant and ALWAYS dressed to kill. She also takes hundreds of selfies including nude ones and I wonder if I can make this develop into interest in what other men see in her and become more flirtatious without judgement etc.

Now she does it as your partner. As a part of your mutual intimacy and fun thereof.
What you are planning is a structural change in that paradigm. Now she will be required to make random strangers a part of that exclusive bubble of intimacy. There in lies the risk.

Whereas, targeting specific objects of sexual variation, like those executives in the social gatherings we were discussing.. is a less challenging ask..

Why a risk? It's merely becoming more open about her sexuality, be little bit more outgoing, flirtatious etc. At the end of the day this should be fantastic for woman's self esteem and ego, shouldnt it?

[sandy691196]

hmmmmm that's a good plan per se. But doesn't that go against her basic nature?

Her nature is such as she is very elegant and ALWAYS dressed to kill. She also takes hundreds of selfies including nude ones and I wonder if I can make this develop into interest in what other men see in her and become more flirtatious without judgement etc.

Now she does it as your partner. As a part of your mutual intimacy and fun thereof.
What you are planning is a structural change in that paradigm. Now she will be required to make random strangers a part of that exclusive bubble of intimacy. There in lies the risk.

Whereas, targeting specific objects of sexual variation, like those executives in the social gatherings we were discussing.. is a less challenging ask..

Why a risk? It's merely becoming more open about her sexuality, be little bit more outgoing, flirtatious etc. At the end of the day this should be fantastic for woman's self esteem and ego, shouldnt it?

Every woman is not the same..
Many matured women, who have had their share of adventuring and have been around several men.. having finally settled down, maynot seek validation from repeated flirtatious encounters.

Your wife sounds like a well grounded lady who has her own views about relationships and feminine fulfilment..

[vixenwolfcouple]

Update..

So they were some developments. We have had few discussions about fantasies, insecurities and concerns. Mind-blowingly she has some concerns about her appearance because she doesn't look the same way she did 15-20 years ago which inhibits her from being adventurous and affected her courage in bed and outside. I find it ridiculous because she looks amazing for her age and can be easily confused for late 20s woman.

After the discussion we had another resurgence in our sex life and way more dirty talk involving her promiscuity, multiple partners etc.. in addition to wearing her tight yoga outfit she would text me that she's got a cameltoe in the gym. She would also stay braless at home all the time, we fuck almost every day and she cums harder, letting me finger her ass etc. One of the days she confessed that she spent a morning on zoom call while naked waist down.. And then on another day suggested that she would have a boudoir photoshoot...!! Which sounds super hot (especially if the photographer is hot lol) .. And that was a surprise because I never mentioned it.. Finally she told me that she wants to come to my workplace in a coat a a mesh, mostly transparent dress under the coat.. I am not sure what to make of this but it's super hot and love every bit of it. I definitely love her exploring her exhibitionism and I find it incredibly arousing.. uff will see how the week goes..

She started noticing other men too, she comments on them more and makes a point of showing me sexy videos of male models on Instagram under pretence of showing me a cool commercial almost gauging my reaction... Hmm

Thoughts?

[sandy691196]

She is edging.
She knows your fantasy. She can see the impact on your sex life.
She has her own insecurities and concerns thus is reluctant to go all out.
But she is dancing around the subject. Even this level of mind play is getting her (and you as a couple) dividends in the bed.

To push it to the next level, she requires permission from inside. She has your permission but she needs her own permission now.

[vixenwolfcouple]

To push it to the next level, she requires permission from inside. She has your permission but she needs her own permission now.

How does this happen and what does she need? More of the same intensity and reassurance? What gets women over that edge where flirting with men for fun is no longer uncomfortable?

[Tank Turner]

Hi vixenwolfcouple,

Most if not all women have sexual fantasies. If they have fantasized about sex, they have thought about their fantasies. It's beneficial to listen intently to your wife's fantasies while you're having sex with her. She's probably using her fantasies as a conveyance of what she wants to experience.

Since the first time I had sex with my wife, I've listened intently to her every syllable about her fantasies. I've always asked her, "Is that what you want?" She has always answered to the effect of, "Yeah, I wanna try it."

Your post indicated that your wife has given a lot of thought about sex with other men, which is entirely normal for women, and trying a gang bang, a far more common women's sexual fantasy than reported.

Love, support, and encourage your wife to explore boundaries of her sexuality. She appears to be ready to act on her fantasies.

Around the time I married my wife, she told me that most women would fuck men other than their husbands if their husbands would support and encourage their sexuality.

My wife has told me more than a few times that the only thing that separates her from most other women is she's willing to act on her sexual fantasies.

Almost a week ago, she and our friend, Brad, got into a graphic and detailed conversation about gang bangs. He assured her he could arrange one for her. He knew that doing a gang bang was one of her many sexual fantasies. She told him that doing a gang bang would require more thought, but she'd do one if she were ready and circumstances were right.

Brad has gang bang experience as a college football star. She wanted to know everything he could tell her about gang bangs. He told her that football players had no regard for coeds. They cared only about cumming. All of the girls were willing. Later, he developed regrets from exploiting naive college girls who idolized football players and were willing to do anything to be accepted by them. He told my wife that if she were to do a gang bang, to do it with only mature and respectful men. She should sexually benefit from a gang bang as the dudes involved.

My wife continued to query him about gang bangs. She wanted to know what would be expected of her. He told her in explicit detail what dudes did to women during gang bangs. He told her that she should know what she should expect from men, not what they could expect from her. He strongly advised her to invite no more than five men including Brad and me. Too many dudes would assure she would not enjoy a gang gang. If she were to plan it and meet the prospective dudes before she did it and told them what would be and would not be acceptable, the probably of her enjoying it would increase. She should receive the most sexual euphoria from a gang bang than the dudes involved.

The more I listened to them talk, the more obvious it was that my wife has thoroughly thought about experiencing her gang bang fantasy. She told me that if she decided to do a gang bang, I would be a participant or she would not do one.

Her explicit expression of her gang bang fantasy in explicit detail and what she'd willingly do during a gang bang revealed to me that she wanted to experience at least one.

My advice is to always listen intently to your wife's sexual fantasies because she's probably revealing what she wants to experience.

[sandy691196]

To push it to the next level, she requires permission from inside. She has your permission but she needs her own permission now.

How does this happen and what does she need? More of the same intensity and reassurance? What gets women over that edge where flirting with men for fun is no longer uncomfortable?

1. She had locked that room in her life and thrown away the key. Now with your prodding she is CONSIDERING the pros and cons of reopening the lock.

2. In the meantime, she is keeping you happy with role plays and stuff. She is checking out her own responses to the new fantasies and thoughts too.

3. For her that lock was not about just marital status and social conditioning. It is about principles and hard lines. She is having to work through all that.

4. My suggestion is that - PLEASE do not end up conveying that this deal is fundamental to your marriage and happiness. That can bring about unpredictable outcomes in the mid/long term. She can start re-evaluating the marriage per se. Best is to keep it at the hot spicy, marital sex enhancement level.

5. If she can find it within herself that the new deal can be accommodated within her principles in life, she would find a way to do it. Which married woman won't like sex enhancement with her hubby's endorsement? Once she is ok on the fundamentals, the promise of sexual adventures will do the rest to bring her around.

[Tank Turner]

4. My suggestion is that - PLEASE do not end up conveying that this deal is fundamental to your marriage and happiness. That can bring about unpredictable outcomes in the mid/long term. She can start re-evaluating the marriage per se. Best is to keep it at the hot spicy, marital sex enhancement level.

5. If she can find it within herself that the new deal can be accommodated within her principles in life, she would find a way to do it. Which married woman won't like sex enhancement with her hubby's endorsement? Once she is ok on the fundamentals, the promise of sexual adventures will do the rest to bring her around.

I completely agree with the above. No man should force his wife to do anything she's not willing to do on her own accord. The opposite is true. A husband's primary responsibility is to protect and defend his wife. If a wife does not want to engage in extramarital sex, defend her decision.

If husbands and wives have indissoluble relationships and they can talk about everything and anything sexual openly and honestly and without judgments, wives will let their husbands know what they want to experience. A loving husband will defend, and lovingly encourage his wife to explore her sexual boundaries.

My wife has told me more than a few times that most wives would have sex with other men if their husbands were loving, supportive, and encouraging.

Women fantasize about sex as often as men. It's completely normal for women to fantasize about fucking other men just as it is for men to fantasize about fucking other women. If a woman is married to her best friend and they can talk openly and honestly about sex without judgment, she'll let her husband know when she's ready to explore her sexual boundaries. Her husband must never rush, push, or force her into extramarital sex. It must be her conscious and deliberated decision. Odds are wives already know who they want to fuck if their husbands were loving, supportive, and encouraging. It must be her decision and only her decision.

[sandy691196]

And "force" is not always overt force. It can be subtle and relentless. Through various words and attitudes. Somehow
conveying that what the couple has is not good enough.

Then the wife feels that playing ball with the hubby's fantasies is the only way to keep the marriage happy.

[Tank Turner]

After thinking about this topic, I'll offer the best advice I can. I'll rely on my sister-in-law as a case study.

Men and women should marry people with whom they're sexually compatible. If one is sexually experienced and adventurous and the other isn't and is content with routine sex, that marriage probably won't last.

Husbands and wives must often talk about sex with each other and do so honestly and openly with without fear of judgment or ridicule. My wife and I have known a handful of women who feared telling their husbands about their sexuality and sexual fantasies. I believe all of those marriages ended in divorce.

Husbands and wives must never judge each other's sexual histories, sexuality, and sexual fantasies. For lack of better example, 68% of all women fall within one unit of sexual standard deviation (Bell Curve). That means that most women share the same sexuality and sexual fantasies. Nealy all women fantasize about multiple partner sex. It's an extremely common and normal sexual fantasy.

Most sexually healthy and normal wives love sex at least as much as their husbands, probably more so. Women have an enviable biological sexual advantage vis-a-vis men. The clitoris is the only human organ that has the singular function of giving women euphoric pleasure. It has the the most densely concentration of nerve endings of all human organs. The more husbands lick and suck their wives' clits, the happier they'll be. It's impossible for my wife to be upset when she's having and orgasm and right after. If she's not in a happy mood, I'll keep my face buried in her bush until she's all smiles and blissful.

Nearly all wives fantasize about sex. It's completely normal and natural. Wives must be able to express their sexual fantasies to their husbands without fear of judgment or ridicule. Vice versa is also true.

Husbands and wives are nearly equal in the amount of time they'll fantasize about sex every day. It's normal for men to fantasize about fucking other women. It's normal for women to fantasize about fucking other men.

Husbands and wives must never lie to each other. Lying destroys trust. Without trust, their is no friendship. Do not ask a question unless you're prepared for an honest answer. Never force your wife or husband into telling a lie. Never judge your husband or wife based on the answer to the question you asked. If you can't handle the truth, don't ask the question.

I have not been exposed to most recent stats, but I'll go with an educated guess. Maybe 5% of American women in their mid-20s are virgins. If a man marries a 25 year old women, statistically she's not a virgin. She's probably had a few and maybe a dozen sexual partners. You can interpret that as you desire. I interpret it as a positive. If a woman has had sex with a dozen men before she marries, she almost certainly knows what she should expect from her husband in terms of sex. I'd rather have a wife who is sexually experienced and knowledgeable on our wedding day than find out after I married her that she doesn't like sex.

My sister-in-law was sexually experienced and sexually adventurous when she married her ex-husband. She knew before they married that he was sexually inexperienced and sexually naive. She assumed that she'd teach him how to enjoy mind-blowing sex. For an unknown reason, he refused to allow her to teach him how to enjoy euphoric sex. Their sexual incompatibility was the dominant cause of their divorce. Her fiance is 10 years younger than her. They are perfectly sexually compatible. Never marry a person who is not sexually compatible with you thinking that you'll be able to change him or her. People rarely change.

My wife was completely honest with me before I asked her to marry me. She told me that she could never marry a man who didn't love sex as much as she did, and she could never marry a man who was dick-sized challenged. She knew that we were sexually compatible the first time we had sex, which was on the evening of our first date. Both of us loved sex, and both of us were sexually experienced. She was more sexually adventurous. I was an excellent student. She taught me the euphoric benefits of being sexually adventurous. She told me that we had to keep sex exciting lest it become routine and boring. Routine and boring sex causes lost interest in sex. When women in their sexual primes who know orgasmic and euphoric sex aren't getting it, their marriages are counting down days to dissolution.

Husbands and wives are equally obligated to keeping sex exciting. My wife is the queen of exciting sex. If our kids aren't home, our entire house is our sexual playground. We don't confine sex to the walls of our home. She got me into exciting and thrilling secluded public sex. We stopped public sex for a long time. Last Thursday, I promised her that we would get back into outdoor sex. There's a walking trail near our home that has tall shrubs on either side of it. She can't feign trail walking wearing a sundress. Sundresses must have been designed for public sex. Public sex is usually over within a minute. She'll probably have to buy walking shorts that are couple sizes larger, so I can bend her over, slide her shorts aside, and fuck her. She's expert at getting me close to cumming before we do public sex. By the time I penetrate her, I'm close to filling her pussy with warm cum.

Sexual compatibility is extremely important in keeping marriages together. Husbands and wives should often engage in open, honest, and nonjudgmental sexual communication without fear of judgment. The more dirty talk the better. The nastier the dirty talk the better. Husbands and wives love dirty talk.

When my wife talks sex with me, I'll listen to every word she says. If she tells me about her many sexual fantasies, after she's finished, I'll ask her, "Is that what you want?" She's always answered in the affirmative which is not to assume it meant that she was willing to experience her fantasy. One of her dominant fantasies is becoming a porn star. Obviously she's not going to become a porn star. She wants to, but she knows it's a fantasy she'll never experience.

[sandy691196]

But I don't believe ALL married women fantasise about other men consciously.. Repressed dreams and stuff perhaps.
But not all women are conditioned that way.

[vixenwolfcouple]

But I don't believe ALL married women fantasise about other men consciously.. Repressed dreams and stuff perhaps.
But not all women are conditioned that way.

Agree. There is a very deep social conditioning which prevents the emergence of those fantasies and thoughts.

[vixenwolfcouple]

1. She had locked that room in her life and thrown away the key. Now with your prodding she is CONSIDERING the pros and cons of reopening the lock.

2. In the meantime, she is keeping you happy with role plays and stuff. She is checking out her own responses to the new fantasies and thoughts too.

3. For her that lock was not about just marital status and social conditioning. It is about principles and hard lines. She is having to work through all that.

4. My suggestion is that - PLEASE do not end up conveying that this deal is fundamental to your marriage and happiness. That can bring about unpredictable outcomes in the mid/long term. She can start re-evaluating the marriage per se. Best is to keep it at the hot spicy, marital sex enhancement level.

5. If she can find it within herself that the new deal can be accommodated within her principles in life, she would find a way to do it. Which married woman won't like sex enhancement with her hubby's endorsement? Once she is ok on the fundamentals, the promise of sexual adventures will do the rest to bring her around.

Very interesting thoughts. I hope this is true and she would arrive at those conclusions eventually. It's all about enriching our marriage and putting ultimatum on it. I can live without real life hotwifing but would surely love to try it once it a while and teasing and flirtatious behavious which comes with is something I cherish most alongside with her exhibitionism.

[vixenwolfcouple]

4. My suggestion is that - PLEASE do not end up conveying that this deal is fundamental to your marriage and happiness. That can bring about unpredictable outcomes in the mid/long term. She can start re-evaluating the marriage per se. Best is to keep it at the hot spicy, marital sex enhancement level.


I agree wholeheartedly. It is actually very exciting to see her arousal, her responses and some form of awakening of a naughty girl who starts to play with idea of being promiscuous, even if as part of fun and games. The way she gets wet and horny when I imply other men lusting for her (and with her looks it's only her professionalism and courtesy prevent her being hit on all the time), and the way she comes up with little teases which I could describe as uncharacteristic if not for what she moans out during sex.. And it's dirty, vulgar stuff, hot and sweaty and full of references to multiple men, being sexually used, almost exploited and treated like a naughty girl who will suck dick just to get a good grade and will let the whole faculty screw her bareback to get ahead.. etc. This in contrast to her prim and proper self on daily basis is amazing and makes her newly found confidence in teasing and suggestions of seeking lust in pleasure in other men simply blows my mind and makes the chase of this lifestyle almost worth it by itself.

[sandy691196]

Just introduce the fantasy of fucking a colleague or client at her work or your office.

Next time at a company party (your's / her) encourage her to dress sexy-elegant with naughty inners (without panties maybe?).

Ask her to text you about which guys she is finding attractive. Hint that she should dance or chat with them when you text back.

For someone of her profile that's the most likely setting to start off..

[Tank Turner]

But I don't believe ALL married women fantasise about other men consciously.. Repressed dreams and stuff perhaps.
But not all women are conditioned that way.

Not all women are identical. There's a percentage of women who don't like sex.

Recent research did indicate that most women (>50%) fantasize about fucking men other than their husbands to close to the identical frequency that most men fantasize about fucking women other than their wives. It's completely normal and natural for husbands and wives to have sexual fantasies.

[vixenwolfcouple]

Just introduce the fantasy of fucking a colleague or client at her work or your office.

Next time at a company party (your's / her) encourage her to dress sexy-elegant with naughty inners (without panties maybe?).

Ask her to text you about which guys she is finding attractive. Hint that she should dance or chat with them when you text back.

For someone of her profile that's the most likely setting to start off..

This may be the direction. Someone known but not too close, yet safe enough and with little bit of emotional attraction other than pure physical. She's still on baby steps though, little bit of exhibitionism, more daring gym outfits, poking nipples, cleavage and plans for boudoir photoshoot.. Probably it will be a while before she spells out her interest in other men sexually (even if in the realm of fantasy) other than being a teasing flirt at times.

She did comment on a new coworker recently that he looks like a superhero and I did not have time to get details then, probably should have asked what she likes about him but opportunity lost.
Next time.

[vixenwolfcouple]

How does it even happen, as in transition to hotwife mindset where wives start flirting and engaging with other men? It's obviously not anything that happens overnight, they mull over it, but is my explicit consent and encouragement necessary? Or does it just add pressure? We're at the stage where she's getting comfortable as long as it's just fantasy, or that she claims but undoubtedly she's been noticing men more.
Is she just going to start flirting one day whenever the right one comes along?

[Tank Turner]

Hi vixenwolfcouple,

My wife and I dirty talked during sex since the first time we had sex. That evolved to us talking about experiencing her sexual fantasies. Let me back up a couple sentences. My wife has a stratospheric libido. She's been almost continually horny since she emerged from puberty. She is by a massive margin the most horny woman I have ever been with. She's more horny now that she was during her fuck-a-holic college years.

We've always talked openly, honestly, and sans judgment about sex. She thinks it's immature and silly for married couples to avoid talking about sex.

Our dirty talk during sex matured over the years. She began fantasizing about sucking cock while I banged her brains out doggie. I'd ask her, "Is that what you want?" She'd always replied in the affirmative, not to infer that she intended to experience her sexual fantasies.

After the birth of our second child, we almost always dirty talked during sex about another man or other men in bed with us. Our dirty talk evolved further to include graphic detail about how two men would use her sexy body for their sexual gratification.

After I hit mid-30s, our libidos went in opposite directions. When I met her, it was common for me to fuck her 5 times when I spent the night with her. We fucked almost every day. Often, we fucked more than once a day. When I awoke with morning wood, she'd fuck me. On weekends before our first was born, we'd often stay naked in bed for entire weekends and fuck as many times as I could. We called it marathon weekends. The closer I got to 40, the rarer it became that I could fuck her three times. She wanted to be fucked 3 squared. I could not keep pace with her libido.

We never had to acknowledge the obvious. Our dirty talk were plans to fulfill her MFM sexual fantasy.

Maybe a couple years later, we were in our master bathroom getting ready to party at a nightclub we used to frequent. She must have been thinking about she sexual fantasy for a long time. What seemed like out of the ballpark, she casually turned to look and me and confidently told me she was going to seduce a man at the nightclub, invite him back to our house for drinks, and we were going to fuck her into a euphoric, orgasmic, sexual trance. We had at most an hour to discuss it before we hit the club. She assured me that she had it planned and figured out in precise detail. She told me that I had better stay with her the entire time.

She pulled it off. She's been doing extramarital sport fucking since. She decided when she was ready to pull it off and how to pull it off. I've comforted her, encouraged her, and supported her to explore boundaries of her sexuality. I never asked her or told her to do anything. I support her sexual ideas. We have the most secure marriage of all married couples we know. We have never lied to each other. We're each other's best friend. She's pragmatic and has an extremely high IQ. We look at sex intellectually. We know the difference between sex for euphoric pleasure and sex and an expression of love and strengthening the bond that unites us.

Men have a tendency to underestimate their wives' sexuality. Women in their sexual primes have a huge biological advantage over men. Normal and healthy women are at least as horny as their husbands, probably more so. Women who know euphoric orgasmic sex crave it more than men. Normal, healthy women have many sexual fantasies. Do a 'net search of, "Women's sexual fantasies." It'll return hundreds if not thousands of hits. It is factual that women will fantasize about sex at close to the identical frequency that men fantasize about sex. I did not expect to find that gang bangs were a far more normal and common women's sexual fantasy that I could have ever assumed. Normal and healthy women can have pretty kinky sexual fantasies. I know. My wife has most of them. While most women have sexual fantasies, not all women have identical sexual fantasy. MFM sex is the most normal and common women's sexual fantasy.

My advice is to frequently but not incessantly tell your wife you'll always be in love with her. Sincerely and honestly tell her that you'll love her, comfort her, support her, and encourage her if she were to broaden the breadth of her sexuality. If she's fantasizing about it, she's thinking about it. If she decides she wants to experience sex beyond your marriage, she'll let you know. You might know what she intends to do before she tells you what she intends to do. Remain cognizant of her sexual cues. Like my wife did, she might tell you that she's going to bang another dude's brains out an hour before she does it. Rolls with her decision and what she's comfortable doing, and you'll be a very happy husband.

[Tank Turner]

Hi vixenwolfcouple,

I forgot to add what you probably already know as a medical arts professional. Neither my wife or I are paranoid. We will eliminate potential STD risks. My wife was on the pill during most of her promiscuous youth, so she never had to worry about pregnancy. She's never liked the feeling of latex inside of her. She had many sexual partners. Thankfully, she has never contracted an STD. She has always been discriminate about who she would permit to have sex with her. Before she was 18, her physician told her that condoms did not prevent STDs. They might help prevent them, but there is no guarantee that they will.

Her college's physician told her the same thing. Her college gave away condoms as birth control with the caveat that they were not reliable as STD prevention. Since she was on the pill, she did not need condoms for pregnancy prevention. Her college's physician told her to enjoy her sexuality responsibly, which she assumed meant that she had to be careful about who she allowed to have sex with her.

After she graduated from college, another physician told her that his patients made/make judgment errors by assuming condoms prevent STDs.

If your wife decides to broaden her sexual horizons, she might want to consider creating a vetting process. My wife has vetted the shit out of dudes before she invited them to our home for drinks, which was her parlance for sexual debauchery. If she caught a dude in a single lie, she excluded him. If dudes refused to answer her very personal questions, they were excluded. She's hyper-sexual, not stupid. She'll mitigate risks to the extent possible.

As an aside, her sister's fiance and his first wife were into every sexual adventure imaginable. They were swingers. He gave my wife lifestyle material to give to me. He gave me books and Xerox copies of magazine articles. One of the articles was an analytical assessment of gang bangs from women's perspective who had done gang bangs. It was an extremely enlightening read.

A brief perusal of the books indicated that the sexual lifestyle seemed to be over represented by college educated professionals. I'll delve more deeply into those books when I have time to read them.

Last April, my wife, her sister, the sister's then boyfriend now fiance, and our friend Brad whom my wife has been fucking for over a year did a vacation at a Tulum, MX five star nude resort. Her sister paid for everything except Brad's bills. My wife told me that every guest whom she could remember appeared to be college educated and professionally employed. Many of the guests were European. She enjoyed talking with Europeans. She said all of the guests were well-mannered, polite, and displayed exceptional decorum. Of course, the cost of the resort assuredly prevented people without necessary financial resources from staying there.

Upon arrival, my wife was the first naked and she stayed naked the entire time they were at the resort. My wife loves to be naked.

Her sister's ex-husband is in IT. While they were married, he made a legitimate fortune investing in IT equities. They made millions off of Apple stock alone. Her sister will never have to worry about money for the rest of her life. Her fiance is a firefighter in the Greater Los Angeles Region. His salary is in excess of 300k and varies with available overtime. So they're financially set. Her sister had no problem picking up my wife's entire tab including R/T airfare.

You might want to consider asking your wife whether she'd be interested in vacationing at an exclusive nude resort in Southern Mexico. She would not have to worry about running into anyone she knows. The guests should be (based on my wife's experience) on par with her intellect. I'd almost guarantee you (based on what you've posted) that if you were to present it to her at an advantageous time and opportunity and positively emphasize that it's an exclusive nude resort in Southern Mexico, she'll be willing to give it a try. You might not want to disclose to her that a lot of sex occurs there after the sun sinks into the Pacific.

Nude sunbathing is popular among women. Who knows? It might just be that your wife was a nude sunbather before you met her. All women have secrets and skeletons in their closets. Their secrets and skeletons enhance their character.

[vixenwolfcouple]

Thanks for your input TankTurner,

I think you're quite fortunate that your wife is a hypersexual siren and all you had to do is push "play". My wife has this layer underneath and it comes out to play when she's tipsy and horny and in such state she produces all kind of (lovely) filth.

Speaking of STD, I have to say that condoms do help to prevent majority of infection because of physical barrier simply. It's not magic, if skin lesions, fluids and mucous membranes don't rub against each other, then the risk of STD is minimal. For the sake of discussion I would also add that whatever medic advised your wife re STD and protection should have lost his license. Of course, nothing is 100% but it's ONLY because people don't use them correctly and consistently. 5 cents from a pro here.

Thanks for your advice, may look into vacation like that but she's not in the mindset of a nude beach yet, if at all. We did have similar experience in the past but she's not a beach goer kind of girl to start with so not sure.

So far I am enjoying her changing wardrobe, little accents, innuendos, dirty talk and her opening up regarding fantasies and ideas I never knew existed despite 15 years of marriage.. Amazing.

[sandy691196]

HPV vaccines make things safer?

[Tank Turner]

Thanks for your input TankTurner,



Speaking of STD, I have to say that condoms do help to prevent majority of infection because of physical barrier simply. It's not magic, if skin lesions, fluids and mucous membranes don't rub against each other, then the risk of STD is minimal. For the sake of discussion I would also add that whatever medic advised your wife re STD and protection should have lost his license. Of course, nothing is 100% but it's ONLY because people don't use them correctly and consistently. 5 cents from a pro here.

Good morning, vixenwolfcouple,

Condom packages display warnings that they are not suitable for STD prevention.

You could do a quick 'net search of, "Condoms STD prevention," and find physicians who have categorically stated that condoms will not prevent certain types of STDs. Check Cleveland clinic. From memory alone, it said that condom MAY help prevent STD contamination, but they do not provide absolute protection from STD contamination. Again, from memory alone, CDC, I believe, had the same warning about use of condoms as STD prevention.

My guess is you're right about user error. Physicians and condom manufacturers probably warn patients and condom users that they're not intended for STD prevention because of user error and how they're disposed after use. The intent of such warnings is almost assuredly protection against lawsuits.

I'm sticking with my recommendation of taking your wife to a luxury adults only resort. She might surprise you after you guys have checked in. My advice is before visiting any nude resort is to know its cellphone and camera policy The one in Tulum where my wife vacation did not permit any cellphone use in common areas. It didn't matter whether the camera was covered. Violation of that rule resulted in immediate expulsion from the resort. However, such a policy would not prevent a guest from positioning a micro-camera.

Eliminate all risks possible and mitigate the rest.

[vixenwolfcouple]

I am sorry to say it but it's quite undisputable that properly used condoms prevent majority of STD and the ONLY reason why they fail is because people engage in oral without them or expect that condom on the penis will prevent skin to skin transmission of conditions like syphilis, HPV or herpes which indeed are not covered by condoms.
However, vast majority of life threatening STDs like HIV and HBV, HCV are fully preventable and it's not even debatable.

Please post some links for the claims you read about because it truly blows my mind that a physician would state any of that.

[Tank Turner]

I am sorry to say it but it's quite undisputable that properly used condoms prevent majority of STD and the ONLY reason why they fail is because people engage in oral without them or expect that condom on the penis will prevent skin to skin transmission of conditions like syphilis, HPV or herpes which indeed are not covered by condoms.
However, vast majority of life threatening STDs like HIV and HBV, HCV are fully preventable and it's not even debatable.

Please post some links for the claims you read about because it truly blows my mind that a physician would state any of that.

Hi vixenwolfcouple,

We can't post links in forums.

I did a very quick 'net search and easily found exactly as I've previously posted.

I would be surprised if any physician were to claim that condoms are 100% effective as STD prevention. That would be assuming huge liability.

I agree that they can provide STD protection most of the time. Operator error is probably the cause when STD contamination occurs with condom use.

Next time you're in a drug store, check out a condom package. On it will be printed to the effect, "Not for STD prevention."