Female led relationship ultimatum

[Her number1]

Tank Turner, you are so funny.... hilariously funny!

Thank you for the entertainment.

Ain't that the truth!!

[FLRultimatum]

Hi FLRultimatum,

When it comes to sex, my wife considers herself more European than American. My wife thinks Americans have anachronistic beliefs about sex and nudity. She loves to be naked. There are no legal nude beaches in California. However, there are a few where public nudity laws are not enforced. She did a nude beach a lot during the summer of her 19th year with her then boyfriend. She loved it. She said it's natural to be naked on beaches that are reserved for adults. She'd be in paradise on a European nude beach. She loves Europe's open sexuality. She thinks it's immature and not natural for adults to hide their sexuality. Like most American women, she loves European men's accents.

Most Americans don't know that our culture is an extension of European culture. But for some reason, we left out Europe's realistic sexual culture.

Scandinavian men are studs, and Scandinavian women are the gold standard of beautiful women.

Vikings were in North America long before Columbus was born. Hence, the USA could have been claimed by Scandinavians long before the British claimed it.

Wow you are so nice to say this about the Scandinavian women. They are also automatically equal or more in society and has practiced to open their sexuality without guilt for decades.

[FLRultimatum]

Some interesting info: my wife has 2 girlfriends who've done gang bangs. One is married. Her and her husband are swingers. My wife is closest to the married one. She's the only person my wife has told that she fucks men besides me. Both women have told my wife that she should experience at least one gang bang.

My wife has had a gang bang fantasy longer than she can remember. Her girlfriends did not create her gang bang fantasy. They influenced her. She wants to try at least one gang bang. It's a fantasy that she'll probably never experience.

For a while, we watched gang bang porn when we could. My wife could see the attraction. She told me that women love being the center of attention.

While watching gang bang porn, she told me she'd want six dudes to gang bang her, including me. She always wants me involved. I asked how she came up with six dudes. She said that six dudes would be the most she could manage at one time. Curious, I asked her how many men she thought she could keep in sexual ecstasy at one time. She thought for about a minute before finally replying, "I don't know."

I know my wife when she's hyper-horny and can't be fucked enough. When her endocrine system is imbalanced and because she's in her sexual prime, I know that she was honest when she told me she didn't know how many men she could gang bang.

I'd rather be married to a woman like my wife is than a woman who is closed to expanded sexual experiences.

I can just echo that interracial rough gangbang porn bordering rape is really the core of my wife’s taste in porn. Early on she was shy about it but this has been her fetish since she was young. I try to get a cuck husband in there as well if I am selecting something for her to watch.

[FLRultimatum]

It is about time I continue beginning for me and Lana

Part 6

Our journey on FLR begins almost four years ago even though when we look back it was a natural FLR from the day one but not clearly defined. After eight months of irritation on small things that just grew day by day for Lana. She was basically ready to end our relationship while I worshipped her.

So there was an unbalance. A big one. She also felt like I did not have good career, I had basically no friends and especially no close friends, I did not have hobbies, my car was a small via while she had a dodge ram. She basically felt I was not masculine and even though she always like the attention I gave her, in a truly submissive way, she also felt she did not fully respect me.

In her work situation she was travelling with men. Even sharing hotel rooms from time to time. With other men. We had some arguments about that but she was rock hard saying that she need to do hamper work without me interfering and warned me she would stop telling me about things. At the same time she was also assuming some male colleagues as hot or masculine. One time she even said “if you ask me to do a list of then guys in the office to get a hall pass I can do it in no time. The list is already in my head. Hihi” giggling. She knew I would be jealous but after a handjob I was in heaven again.

I told her a I loved her every day and always try to greet her with a smile even if she was tired. I also gave her compliments on her look and power at work plus many more areas. She in the other hand was more demanding in her comments to me.

The comments that she gave me made me horny for reasons I can’t explain. It was the dominance and the fact that it was so natural for Lana to say them to me:
- “put some clothes on, your pale hairy ass is not a pretty view”
- “Would anyone notice at work if you just left?”
- “There are wrinkles on my nice Louis Vuitton blouse, what`s wromg with you Kurt!!! Pay morse attention When you iron my clothes after you wash them.
- “That guy could bitchslap you into another county, but he is hot!”
- “Prepare some snacks and two drinks for me and Sheila” when she had a friend over. “ I answered that “I just going out with the trash first”. Then she looked at me with dark and angry gaze “Now! don’t make us wait on your other chores. I actually became hard in spite of the humiliation in the situation. In front of her lady friend she just ordered me around. And clarified that trash was my chore. I did what I was told. Later, in bed, we did a pillow all and she said she did want sex because she was upset with me when talking back to her like that. She said
- “I never want to see that kind of behaviour again. I am getting fed up with you and. You are just like every other guy if you do that. Don’t you value our special bond.” Later we both understood that our special bond is that I should obey her every order.

On top of the irritation was the unsatisfactory sex, her being a very sexual person she felt that part of her slowly died with me. I had (still have) hugh issues with premature ejaculation, even auto ejeculation without touch in my sleep dreaming, watching porn or if I get teased by my Partner. I have tried several doctors and treatments but it only get worse it seems. I last seconds; not minutes if stimulated.

[elina]

Dear Kurt

Very good to see you posting again.

I hope that you are still in a realtionship with Lady Lana and that She has since past August taken complete control over you and made you Her fully submissive cuckold?

Really looking forward to follow your story moving forward.

Sincerely
elina

[FLRultimatum]

Hi Elina

Thank you.

Lana would more like to call it a female led relationship with servitude and humiliation for me. She has taken the burden to satisfy her sexually off my shoulders.

[elina]

Hi Elina

Thank you.

Lana would more like to call it a female led relationship with servitude and humiliation for me. She has taken the burden to satisfy her sexually off my shoulders.

Yes, I think that is the currently the modern eay of frazing it.


I trust that you will fully embrace your duty to serve Your Superior Wife in any way She directs to keep Her happy.
Also very glad to see that She is now entertaining other Males capable of satisfying Her sexually the way She desires.

I still hope that this does not mean She has relieved you of your duties to clean and lick Her pussy whenever She desires this.

Sincerely
elina

[FLRultimatum]

No fortunately she still loves to take orgasms on my face with me licking. It is very hot when she rides me watching porn or sexting with someone.

[elina]

Glad to hear that,

Looking forward to hear more about how you are learning to serve Her with the appropriate devotion and submissive attitude.

Sincerely
elina

[FLRultimatum]

Part 7

Our sexlife became monotonous, predictable not really exciting for her. Only one or two times out of ten was penetration, the rest was me performing oral service to her. Lana was criticising me every time we had sex.
- “you are like a teenage boy. You literally squirt you seed in your pants just licking me, we haven’t even started the act”
- “I never had this lame sex ever before”
- “All my previous lovers is better than you; maybe you should call them and ask for advice. “
- “I will keep you a blowjob virgin until you perform”

She also started to slap me in the face in several occasions. For example once when coming after 10seconds. She slapped me hard in the face and said “useless! Go get my dildo” god I was grateful we had that dildo but soooo ashamed I could not perform. She also started slapping me when she was displeased with me in the daily life. For example when I left dishes behind in the sink when I had to go to work. She caught with me before I went out the door and slapped saying:
“You don’t go anywhere before that sink is spotless”. I was pretty shocked by that and taken off guard so I just went back and fixed it. I also got a reprimand at work for being late.

All of this may sound cruel but remember I worshipped her and got turned on as hell by this treatment. She was also right about the premature ejaculation problem. As mentioned she was ready to leave but we realised Lana was pregnant. That really saved me because we decided to go to therapy. The first therapist did not work out at all. He was critiquing Lana’s behaviour and the sure did not have good chemistry. He said one thing to her though
-if you have chosen a man that is inferior to you in every way you need to accept it. You have a female led relationship and the sooner you embrace that the easier it will be. We then swapped therapist and that is when everything turned to the better.

Regarding my own sexlife, jerking off to porn, she did not like that at all.
“ Why do you constantly do that? “
“ What are you watching “ and she said that she wanted me to think about porn that she would like. I knew she was also doing the same thing. Looking at porn and pleasing herself but I just thought that it is super hot and was curious on what I could watch that matched her taste.

[elina]

Thanks for the update,

Approximately how many years ago was this?
Looking forward to the continuation.

Sincerely
elina

[FLRultimatum]

Less than two years from now!

[FLRultimatum]

Part 8

Lana started reading online a lot on FLR and became very interested. She found a new therapist focusing only on FLR marriage counselling. We started the first three to five sessions just giving the new therapist, Alexandra, all the context of our marriage. Basically all the info above because there was a big sexual dimension to the therapy. After that she started to give advice. Similar to the first therapist she told to fully embrace our natural roles and make it more clear as well. She talked about the FLR zodiac, I will come back to that. She confirmed with us both that we were willing to invest to turn the marriage into a really prosperous one. We both agreed. She also wanted us to acknowledge that we had already a female led marriage and that we are prepared to take many steps to make that even more clear and solid. Lana quickly said yes, no doubt and I also agreed.
. - “Good because I see many solutions to your problems given this strategic direction”, she said. She also wanted to start individual sessions with us. In my sessions she basically asked me to come up with ten things to strengthen the FLR dynamics in my marriage to really make a change for the better.

On my individual sessions we started to go deep on all the areas of life and marriage just to reaffirm that Lana is more successful; beautiful, smart, have more money, friends and many other aspects. She took me through proof point by proof point and mentioned there is nothing wrong with being inferior to your wife. But the fact is that this makes it logical to have my wife decide things. I also need to bring something to the table she said. Why should Lana be with me? What is my relationship currency? She answered for me, you need to be very service oriented.
-“In FLR husband will take care of most of if not all chores in the home. “
-“You also need to be supportive and strengthen your wife choice. Be positive when she tries something new. “
-“Stand behind her when she climbs the corporate ladder. “
-“Also, always, always try to put yourself below her in any situation. You need to make it less of a burden for her to lead by always obeying her. “
She kept on repeating these things as a mantra for multiple sessions. Then she asked me to come up with three things to strengthen the FLR dynamics in our marriage.

[venus-can99]

Sounds like a very sage advice. How have things progressed?

[elina]

I wish my Wife and I had gone to this kind of therapist.. :-)
Looking forward to hear more.

[FLRultimatum]

It saved our marriage!

I can really recommend FLR therapy

[FLRultimatum]

Part 9

We also continued the sessions as a couple with Alexandra. Lana wanted to bring up our sexlife. It is basically not good enough at all. Alexandra just said you can’t make miracles but at the same time it could only get better from here. Alexandra’s first advice was:
- “ you are the boss now Lana. There is no sexual tabu for you. If you have a problem with his look you can put a hood on him, if his manhood does not work maybe you can get a variety of plastic substitutes. If you don’t like him to put it in you then don’t allow that.
Lana was giggling and I could see that each word really sunk in. It did with me too. “Alexandra is a really good counsellor in FLR! “ she said to me on the way home.

When we got home from that session she told me to strip naked. I obeyed instantly and got hard right away. She took out two pair of handcuffs from her purse. I realised she also got some recommendations in her private sessions. She put one pair on my feet and one for my hands behind my back. Then she tied a thin rope around the tip of my cock and pulled me with. Giggling she led me into the living room sofa. I could barely walk with the cuffs. She told me to kneel which I did. Then she lifted her skirt and mounted my face with her pussy. We have never done it this way before. Her standing like that. I felt I was about to shoot my load soon if ,y cock would just touch her leg or something when I started licking her. The dominance was on a different level and she told me to worship her now. At the same time she pulled hard in the small rope. The pain kept me from erupting. She knows me well so as soon as I was more comfortable and enjoying she pulled harder. After a while. Maybe 10 min she came, when she did I thought she was going to rip my cock off.

Once settled she sat down in the sofa and pulled me close.
- “You can grind that thing of yours if you make sure you will be absolutely obedient from now on. It took me a while to get to know myself and us in this. Alexandra helped me to realise this is what I want. So grind away if you are prepared to submit. “.
- “But actually the rope helped you not to cum. Alexandra recommended me just before we left”
- I started to hump and grind like a rabbit and Lana used the rope again. Pulling hard and whipping me on my back with the other end. I kept going for several minutes but the pain prevented me from coming. I was in heaven. The she said
- “Enough! Stop at once. It is enough for today. You are not allowed to cum today”.. I looked at her with a plea in my eyes but saw that she meant it so I stopped. That night she kept me naked in cuffs to sleep on the floor without cover and she went to bed. I couldn’t sleep at first but I was thinking on my homework for the session with Alexandra. I took pride in being obedient and not cumming the whole night.

In the morning we had a three hour talk with coffee and she told me it was probably the best sex we ever had from her perspective. I was rock hard the whole conversation and we were both amazed by that. I realised that me cumming was not doing anything positive for her actually. We were both so relieved that we were finding our way back, at least a glimpse of light in the tunnel.

[elina]

Thanks FLRultimatum

The term FLR is used to cover a wide range of relationships.
I think what is typical though is that once the Dominant Lady fully realizes that She is now free to gradually increase Her control in the relationship and to use methods such as humiliation and physical punishments to ensure She gets what She wants while keeping Her submissive under control, the couple will grow together. Obviously Lady Alexandra helped Lady Lana get over some hurdles here and helped you accept your proper role as an inferior male destined to serve a Superior Lady.

Lana placing you in handcuffs and anclecuffs, using your mouth to pleasure Her, denying you orgasm, and leaving you to sleep nude with handcuffs and legcuffs on the floor obviously took the relationship to a new level where both of you realizing that this was just the start of it.

Really looking forward to see how this evolved furhter.

Sincerely
elina

[Latido]

Obviously Lady Alexandra helped Lady Lana get over some hurdles here and helped you accept your proper role as an inferior male destined to serve a Superior Lady.

Very interesting. You may be right here! But let me add my real life experience over the last couple of years. We have an FLR and we do not have a therapist. I don't know if these exist at all in our area. But we did obtain some advice from a very well known Matriarch and for more than three years I have a very skilled Dominatrix as a personal trainer. They both also communicated directly with my wife. So we both learned a thing or two and our relationship intensified. But generally it is not really about kink driven interaction. No problem for me, to the contrary. You won't believe what a little tweak here or there can accomplish. Everything gets better. But I do wonder, are there any therapists out there, who make kinky dreams of husbands come true. Or is it really just a dream?

[venus-can99]

Latido sounds like you have an interesting story to share. Would you mind starting a separate thread with your flr experiences ?

[elina]

Latido sounds like you have an interesting story to share. Would you mind starting a separate thread with your flr experiences ?

[SubSnuggler]

I used to know a girl that could orgasm just by playing with her nipples. Pleasurable sex starts in the head. I'd never be stupid enough to say a woman couldn't orgasm through exclusively anal sex. Unfortunately for OP, page 3 of this thread is a dumpster fire.

[FLRultimatum]

Thanks FLRultimatum

The term FLR is used to cover a wide range of relationships.
I think what is typical though is that once the Dominant Lady fully realizes that She is now free to gradually increase Her control in the relationship and to use methods such as humiliation and physical punishments to ensure She gets what She wants while keeping Her submissive under control, the couple will grow together. Obviously Lady Alexandra helped Lady Lana get over some hurdles here and helped you accept your proper role as an inferior male destined to serve a Superior Lady.

Lana placing you in handcuffs and anclecuffs, using your mouth to pleasure Her, denying you orgasm, and leaving you to sleep nude with handcuffs and legcuffs on the floor obviously took the relationship to a new level where both of you realizing that this was just the start of it.

Really looking forward to see how this evolved furhter.

Sincerely
elina

And thank you Elina. Sorry for the delay in reply. Indeed she increased the control over time but maybe not so intentional but more driven by the lack of completeness in our relationship

[FLRultimatum]

Thanks FLRultimatum

The term FLR is used to cover a wide range of relationships.
I think what is typical though is that once the Dominant Lady fully realizes that She is now free to gradually increase Her control in the relationship and to use methods such as humiliation and physical punishments to ensure She gets what She wants while keeping Her submissive under control, the couple will grow together. Obviously Lady Alexandra helped Lady Lana get over some hurdles here and helped you accept your proper role as an inferior male destined to serve a Superior Lady.

Lana placing you in handcuffs and anclecuffs, using your mouth to pleasure Her, denying you orgasm, and leaving you to sleep nude with handcuffs and legcuffs on the floor obviously took the relationship to a new level where both of you realizing that this was just the start of it.

Really looking forward to see how this evolved furhter.

Sincerely
elina