Where are all the cuckqueens?

[BD8280]

I wonder where the cuckqueens are? Are there any on this site? I’ve often wondered why there isn’t a section for them here… is it too rare a phenomenon? When I have a look around at the swingers/ fetish dating sites I sometimes come across cuckqueen couples. ( where the wife is the cuck and she wants her husband to fuck other women). I find this just as hot as hotwifing/cuckolding. I often fantasise about meeting a cuckqueen couple, where her husband would fuck my wife and they would become “lovers”. We could all spend time together going out for meals etc, and my wife and him would play openly. I imagine sitting downstairs with the wife while my wife is fucking her husband. I imagine us being close and going on holidays together, my wife sleeping with her husband of course, spending lots of time together. helping each other out like great friends . I find this a super hot idea

[sana9889]

I guess I can fall under this category too.
My bf has a wife. I am the mistress in the relationship.
She is the dominant of the two of us.

[Parsifal]

Where are they?

Here's my hypothesis. Men as a class are far more likely to want to share their spouses than women. It does happen. But both the percentage of women who are aroused by the fantasy of it and even smaller percentage of those whose husbands live it out, are comparatively very rare, or so it seems. (My source is for this observation unscientific - an educated guess, so I'm open to being proven wrong).

The where question begs the why question - nature or nurture or some synergy of the two?

My wife has no capacity whatsoever for compersion. So the potential in my own marriage for the sort of symmetry you're envisioning, is, unfortunately, nil. If she were into it, no doubt I would be too. But I could never ask her to take one for the team, so to speak, just so I can even the score.

So what's at the bottom of the comparative rarity of cuckquean dynamic? I've commented on this before. No doubt women are at least as empathetic as men about other aspect of human life, if not more so. So why is it harder for them to comperse over their husbands' lust for other women? What is compersion, and what is the nature of the emotional hang up wives freely admit when it comes to reciprocating compersion for their husbands' extramarital desires?

Before I get pounced on for making sexist comments, let me add that I don't view all men as capable of compersion either. My wife has been with a number of men who are happy to play in her playpen because she's so damed hot but think the hotwife thing from my perspective is absolutely alien to their way of being a husband. That leads me to conclude that the psychological function of projecting one's consciousness into another for the purpose of enjoying my spouse's sexual enjoyment of another isn't a universal ability or talent. Some people can do it, others can't.

This topic would make for a good doctoral dissertation, which I don't have time for on a Monday. Suffice it to say, I sense my wife would be deeply hurt if I had sex with other woman, even though she would rather consent to it (if I pressed her to let me) rather than allow me to see her as a hypocrite. It would hurt because she rightly perceives herself as the center of my world, a goddess of sorts, and also as a goddess among the men I share her with. It is right out of Snow White - "Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's The Fairest of them all?" One misunderstands women if one ignores the competitiveness they feel for each other in this arena.

[MarknSusan]

My wife Susan is not on this site, however I share a lot of my posts with her.

I can tell you that although we don’t like fitting into labels and prefer not to use the term cuck queen, she and I both have compersion for each other and she absolutely loves it when I have sex with another woman.

Things that get her really excited are watching me play with the woman, telling her about some of the things I have done with the other women and she also loves it (in her words) “when you sneak it” but then I tell her about it afterwards. And I am very good about giving her details which drives her crazy!

[Aussiem]

My wife has watched ,with the other ladies husband while we fucked. She has also lent me to a few friends.

[rogerg]

When my wife and I were still in the fantasy stage of the lifestyle, she encouraged me to be with other women. She later admitted this was mostly because she wanted me to encourage her to actually be with other men.

[coastalkid]

It's my guess (and it's just a guess) that this site isn't a place that cuckqueans are drawn to or would even feel welcome here. The handful of women that are here are for the most part sexually empowered by their freedom. They simply cannot imagine their situation being reversed. The orientation is unthinkable to women that have experienced total freedom and control. To those hot wives, cuckqueans are crazy, why would any woman EVER want that?

This is very parallel to "other" men that can't imagine EVER sharing their wives or even more unfathomable being submissive to their wives. Those husbands that don't have hot wives think men that do share their wives are crazy, why would ANY man want that? If you were to ask men that don't have hot wives or have hot wife fantasies what percentage of the population is into the hot wife scene, I believe they would say very, very few, extremely rare.

This site is dominated with the perspective of sexually independent women and the men that enjoy that. If it falls outside that perspective then it's "crazy" and rare. In truth this site is no different than conservative vs. liberal news media. No, I'm not going into politics here. I'm merely suggesting that people choose to believe what they agree with and this site doesn't (generally) agree with men being sexually empowered or having sexual equality.

The fact that we don't see much in the way of "two way compersion" here doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. It just doesn't get any airplay here. This site has a specific focus and that's fine. It is however a self-limiting perspective. Many times I've asked, if you're a hot wife and you've had the mind blowing experience of a lifetime knowing full well that experience came as a result of a husband that supported you, wouldn't you feel compelled to see your husband have his own "mind blowing" experience whatever that may be? That's when the bias of this site bears its full weight on the "contrarian" suggestion. It is unfathomable, preposterous, unthinkable, I obviously don't get it or I'm too dumb or too inexperienced to understand.

Of course there are obviously exceptions but they are clearly in the minority here. Just my opinion. I could be way off. I'm wrong about a lot of other stuff too.

[BD8280]

It's my guess (and it's just a guess) that this site isn't a place that cuckqueans are drawn to or would even feel welcome here. The handful of women that are here are for the most part sexually empowered by their freedom. They simply cannot imagine their situation being reversed. The orientation is unthinkable to women that have experienced total freedom and control. To those hot wives, cuckqueans are crazy, why would any woman EVER want that?

This is very parallel to "other" men that can't imagine EVER sharing their wives or even more unfathomable being submissive to their wives. Those husbands that don't have hot wives think men that do share their wives are crazy, why would ANY man want that? If you were to ask men that don't have hot wives or have hot wife fantasies what percentage of the population is into the hot wife scene, I believe they would say very, very few, extremely rare.

This site is dominated with the perspective of sexually independent women and the men that enjoy that. If it falls outside that perspective then it's "crazy" and rare. In truth this site is no different than conservative vs. liberal news media. No, I'm not going into politics here. I'm merely suggesting that people choose to believe what they agree with and this site doesn't (generally) agree with men being sexually empowered or having sexual equality.

The fact that we don't see much in the way of "two way compersion" here doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. It just doesn't get any airplay here. This site has a specific focus and that's fine. It is however a self-limiting perspective. Many times I've asked, if you're a hot wife and you've had the mind blowing experience of a lifetime knowing full well that experience came as a result of a husband that supported you, wouldn't you feel compelled to see your husband have his own "mind blowing" experience whatever that may be? That's when the bias of this site bears its full weight on the "contrarian" suggestion. It is unfathomable, preposterous, unthinkable, I obviously don't get it or I'm too dumb or too inexperienced to understand.

Of course there are obviously exceptions but they are clearly in the minority here. Just my opinion. I could be way off. I'm wrong about a lot of other stuff too.

Great response thanks!!
On your last point about this sites self-limiting perspective I would say that the mind blowing experience for many men here is exactly that things are one sided, the more free your wife is and the more your wife tells you that you will never see or touch a vagina again the more mind blowing it is. Its the paradox or the absurd where the excitement actually is. Although I would agree that many men here would play with other women if their wife wanted them to (myself included)

[coastalkid]

It's my guess (and it's just a guess) that this site isn't a place that cuckqueans are drawn to or would even feel welcome here. The handful of women that are here are for the most part sexually empowered by their freedom. They simply cannot imagine their situation being reversed. The orientation is unthinkable to women that have experienced total freedom and control. To those hot wives, cuckqueans are crazy, why would any woman EVER want that?

This is very parallel to "other" men that can't imagine EVER sharing their wives or even more unfathomable being submissive to their wives. Those husbands that don't have hot wives think men that do share their wives are crazy, why would ANY man want that? If you were to ask men that don't have hot wives or have hot wife fantasies what percentage of the population is into the hot wife scene, I believe they would say very, very few, extremely rare.

This site is dominated with the perspective of sexually independent women and the men that enjoy that. If it falls outside that perspective then it's "crazy" and rare. In truth this site is no different than conservative vs. liberal news media. No, I'm not going into politics here. I'm merely suggesting that people choose to believe what they agree with and this site doesn't (generally) agree with men being sexually empowered or having sexual equality.

The fact that we don't see much in the way of "two way compersion" here doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. It just doesn't get any airplay here. This site has a specific focus and that's fine. It is however a self-limiting perspective. Many times I've asked, if you're a hot wife and you've had the mind blowing experience of a lifetime knowing full well that experience came as a result of a husband that supported you, wouldn't you feel compelled to see your husband have his own "mind blowing" experience whatever that may be? That's when the bias of this site bears its full weight on the "contrarian" suggestion. It is unfathomable, preposterous, unthinkable, I obviously don't get it or I'm too dumb or too inexperienced to understand.

Of course there are obviously exceptions but they are clearly in the minority here. Just my opinion. I could be way off. I'm wrong about a lot of other stuff too.

Great response thanks!!
On your last point about this sites self-limiting perspective I would say that the mind blowing experience for many men here is exactly that things are one sided, the more free your wife is and the more your wife tells you that you will never see or touch a vagina again the more mind blowing it is. Its the paradox or the absurd where the excitement actually is. Although I would agree that many men here would play with other women if their wife wanted them to (myself included)

Totally agree with you.

[leggysman]

Interesting tidbit I gleaned from a discussion with my hotwife leggysandy the other night:

While I've always assumed she just had the normal, slightly competitive view of me being with other women, combined with simply not having the sharing kink that I have, she hinted at another perspective.

I was saying how I marveled at her apparent ability to be excited about a new guy, without letting it diminish the way she feels about me, and our marriage. I said I thought I'd find that difficult (if only temporarily, in thrall to NRE) if I was screwing some new, hot, exciting woman.

She said that it *is* a bit of a challenge, and that's why she thinks that it's potentially dangerous for a relationship that's open for both partners. That you'd drift away from one another. I get that.

[coastalkid]

Interesting tidbit I gleaned from a discussion with my hotwife leggysandy the other night:

While I've always assumed she just had the normal, slightly competitive view of me being with other women, combined with simply not having the sharing kink that I have, she hinted at another perspective.

I was saying how I marveled at her apparent ability to be excited about a new guy, without letting it diminish the way she feels about me, and our marriage. I said I thought I'd find that difficult (if only temporarily, in thrall to NRE) if I was screwing some new, hot, exciting woman.

She said that it *is* a bit of a challenge, and that's why she thinks that it's potentially dangerous for a relationship that's open for both partners. That you'd drift away from one another. I get that.

I can see her point to an extent. Instead of having to deal with HER insecurity about whatever you may do, she can focus on just her "bit of a challenge" in keeping sure you're happy and satisfied. She's willing to take on the extra "challenge" because she knows it would be too difficult for her to worry with the "potential dangers" she sees that are outside of her control. If she can follow through on her "challenge" and it works for you both, then it's perfect.

[zorro]

Although I have on rare occasion encountered a woman who loves to have their husband fuck other women, I suspect the limited erotic value for women may be biologically based.

Why do I say that? There are tons of guys who jerk off thinking about their wife having other men. I have yet to meet a woman who masturbates to the fantasy of her husband fucking other women. I just don't think that response is templated in their brains, but it sure is for lots of us guys.

My wife, as she says, does not "dream" about having sex with women or my fucking other women (although she has "gifted" me that many times over the years). But even when she was in high school she dreamed of having sex with the entire football team. She was, more or less, born to fuck many men, especially at the same time, and it is just part of her makeup. That erotic drive to share a spouse just seems to be a male thing.

Culture can give the appearance of something similar in women. Traditional Japanese culture reputedly expected that the wives of rich/powerful men find women to satisfy their husbands. A different type of "wifely duty" than we are familiar with in our culture. But I do not understand that sharing the husband was for the wife's erotic pleasure.

My gut feeling is that this is an inborn biological difference between the sexes.

[sana9889]

Given the proportion of men that use sex workers on the side, I think there should be more cuckqueans than cucks realistically.

I'm ok with it with my bf. Not sure I'd be ok with it with my husband.

[sana9889]

For my bf, I actually find girls for him to have sex with.
It feels natural for me to want him to be satisfied, happy and fulfilled.
I think it is natural for women to want to keep their man happy.

[Thebestdays1]

My wife Susan is not on this site, however I share a lot of my posts with her.

I can tell you that although we don’t like fitting into labels and prefer not to use the term cuck queen, she and I both have compersion for each other and she absolutely loves it when I have sex with another woman.

Things that get her really excited are watching me play with the woman, telling her about some of the things I have done with the other women and she also loves it (in her words) “when you sneak it” but then I tell her about it afterwards. And I am very good about giving her details which drives her crazy!

This is the same as me and my now ex wife.

From the day I proposed to her she told me I could go with her elder sister. I didn't think it would happen but a couple of months later we did do some minor things together and when I told my fiancée she got really turned on and said we should have done more.

It took me nearly 6 years to finally go all the way with the SIL but in the meantime my wife used to send me into her bedroom for a blowjob from her in the mornings when we stayed with her family.
This behavior was done in front of her mum and when the MIL caught me leaving the SIL's room, naked one morning my wife was super turned on and it was one of the few times we had sex in the morning.

The morning after I'd finally fucked her sister she initiated a threesome between us but I couldn't concentrate on pleasing both of them so my wife borrowed her sister's vibrator and masturbated herself like I'd never seen before.

My wife pushed me and her sister together for virtually all of our marriage, encouraged me to go with her younger sister in the last few years and we also shared one of her girlfriends, but never in a threesome.

She knows I'm on this site and knows my login details and enjoys reading my accounts of our behavior with other people and often encourages me to write more.

I didn't know until two days ago that she's also shared my posts with her nephew, which was a little embarrassing when we spoke about it last Sunday.

[PlzFuckMyHotwife]

While cuckqueen couples do exist, they're super rare. I have yet to come across one in real life.

When I have a look around at the swingers/ fetish dating sites I sometimes come across cuckqueen couples. ( where the wife is the cuck and she wants her husband to fuck other women).

Most of these profiles are fake, in my view. Based on my (many) interactions with such profiles over the years, it's typically the male masquerading as the female half thinking that they'd have a better shot at playing if it's presented as the wife wanting for him to play. The way they talk is a clear give away. And when they're pretty good at sounding like a woman and things progress, the moment a meet up is about to be scheduled they typically want to meet alone. Usually because "she doesn't want to meet the other girl, just wants to know he's having a great time" or "she's too embarrassed for others to know she likes her husband to fuck other girls", or something along those lines.

[PlzFuckMyHotwife]

Interesting tidbit I gleaned from a discussion with my hotwife leggysandy the other night:

While I've always assumed she just had the normal, slightly competitive view of me being with other women, combined with simply not having the sharing kink that I have, she hinted at another perspective.

I was saying how I marvelled at her apparent ability to be excited about a new guy, without letting it diminish the way she feels about me, and our marriage. I said I thought I'd find that difficult (if only temporarily, in thrall to NRE) if I was screwing some new, hot, exciting woman.

She said that it *is* a bit of a challenge, and that's why she thinks that it's potentially dangerous for a relationship that's open for both partners. That you'd drift away from one another. I get that.

Interesting perspective...

But I'll offer a contrarian point of view. My hot cutie with a booty and I having a relationship that's open at both ends actually reinforces our bond even more, making us less likely to drift apart. The more we taste "the forbidden fruit" the more we realize that what we have is truly special and irreplaceable. The more we play with others the more we actually desire each other. Counterintuitive? Maybe, maybe not.

My hot cutie with a booty doesn't have the sharing kink, sexually it does nothing for her. She would never just watch by choice, although... that did happen at least twice (that I can remember), at club events, when she wasn't into the other guy but did not want to spoil my chances of playing with the other wife. So, in those instances, she just watched and/or made conversation with the husband and others while I was having sex with the other wife. She wasn't aroused by it, but it wasn't hard to watch either, it was mostly a neutral experience.

In group play dynamics or when we swap with other couples, she does get turned on watching me play. The way she's explained the difference to me is... FOMO. She doesn't like being left out, that is why she can't just watch, she needs to be involved and have fun too at the same time. In those circumstances, she actually gets turned on seeing me sexually engaged with other women. As long as some other guy is taking care of her...

That is likely why she's trying to have a date / playdate herself while I'm away playing. It keeps her mind occupied and avoids FOMO.

In spite of not having the sharing kink, she is the most loving and caring partner I could have ever hoped for and she genuinely wants me to be happy. And if having sex with other women makes me happy (and it does ), she's more than happy to give me that freedom. I suppose that is compersion after all!

That being said, she does feel the occasional bout of "competitiveness" against other women and perhaps a tinge of insecurity from time to time, but they're short lived. Her compersion always wins the day! Besides... she has an extraordinary ability to look at her feelings objectively and conclude that they're just an expression of her own insecurities and not real dangers to our relationship. After each of my solo play sessions we sit down and talk about what happened, in a non sexual way. That helps her a lot. Sometimes we have an extended talk and sometimes she may have just 1 question or no questions at all.

[coastalkid]

Interesting tidbit I gleaned from a discussion with my hotwife leggysandy the other night:

While I've always assumed she just had the normal, slightly competitive view of me being with other women, combined with simply not having the sharing kink that I have, she hinted at another perspective.

I was saying how I marvelled at her apparent ability to be excited about a new guy, without letting it diminish the way she feels about me, and our marriage. I said I thought I'd find that difficult (if only temporarily, in thrall to NRE) if I was screwing some new, hot, exciting woman.

She said that it *is* a bit of a challenge, and that's why she thinks that it's potentially dangerous for a relationship that's open for both partners. That you'd drift away from one another. I get that.

Interesting perspective...

But I'll offer a contrarian point of view. My hot cutie with a booty and I having a relationship that's open at both ends actually reinforces our bond even more, making us less likely to drift apart. The more we taste "the forbidden fruit" the more we realize that what we have is truly special and irreplaceable. The more we play with others the more we actually desire each other. Counterintuitive? Maybe, maybe not.

My hot cutie with a booty doesn't have the sharing kink, sexually it does nothing for her. She would never just watch by choice, although... that did happen at least twice (that I can remember), at club events, when she wasn't into the other guy but did not want to spoil my chances of playing with the other wife. So, in those instances, she just watched and/or made conversation with the husband and others while I was having sex with the other wife. She wasn't aroused by it, but it wasn't hard to watch either, it was mostly a neutral experience.

In group play dynamics or when we swap with other couples, she does get turned on watching me play. The way she's explained the difference to me is... FOMO. She doesn't like being left out, that is why she can't just watch, she needs to be involved and have fun too at the same time. In those circumstances, she actually gets turned on seeing me sexually engaged with other women. As long as some other guy is taking care of her...

That is likely why she's trying to have a date / playdate herself while I'm away playing. It keeps her mind occupied and avoids FOMO.

In spite of not having the sharing kink, she is the most loving and caring partner I could have ever hoped for and she genuinely wants me to be happy. And if having sex with other women makes me happy (and it does ), she's more than happy to give me that freedom. I suppose that is compersion after all!

That being said, she does feel the occasional bout of "competitiveness" against other women and perhaps a tinge of insecurity from time to time, but they're short lived. Her compersion always wins the day! Besides... she has an extraordinary ability to look at her feelings objectively and conclude that they're just an expression of her own insecurities and not real dangers to our relationship. After each of my solo play sessions we sit down and talk about what happened, in a non sexual way. That helps her a lot. Sometimes we have an extended talk and sometimes she may have just 1 question or no questions at all.

You clearly have an exceptional wife! I really, really like that with both of you playing you have become even more appreciative of what you two have together. She understands that "FOMO" isn't something limited to one person. If she can have it you can have it too and vice versa. She knows that if she feels FOMO when you're playing and she isn't, then you would feel the same when the situation is reversed.

The fact that she acknowledges this alone is a distinct advantage for you both. As you say, and to me this is the textbook image of "reverse compersion". Both of you will have insecurities to deal with, not just one of you. Both of you will crave desires to be fulfilled, not just one of you. As a long time wannabe, FOMO is a fear that my mind conjures up. Sure, and yes, I'd be excited for her, but I'll admit that I want to have the experience of my lifetime too.

I don't want to miss out. I don't have that much viable time left. It's my opinion that FOMO gains intensity as you get older. You (or at least I do) dwell on things you wished you had done. This is consistent in the non-sexual world as much as it is in the sexual world.

I give your wife much credit and respect! As I said before she's clearly exceptionally smart. You are a lucky bastard! I'm certain that it's not really luck. I'm sure you are no dummy yourself! You have what so many of us crave, congratulations!

[maxbud]

Given the proportion of men that use sex workers on the side, I think there should be more cuckqueans than cucks realistically.

I'm ok with it with my bf. Not sure I'd be ok with it with my husband.

Its hot that you are cool and keen with BF getting more pussy,.. and not with hubby. may I ask, if hubby is very submissive and BF is very dominant?

I imagine that BF is the type of suave attractive player, who has a virtual harem of hot women...

[sana9889]

My bf is definitely dominant. My husband is not.

My bf and his wife have been into swinging for a long time now. I guess I have too, but they have been more consistent.
He has a lot of girls they meet up with a lot.
She has a lot of partners too, but has fairly strict rules when it comes to condoms (some exceptions) and ejaculation. Its quite prudish in a way. Same goes with her husband, she doesn't like cum on her. But he doesn't have to use a condom.

I have a sexual preference to women. I'd say he is the first man I've been in love with.

Given the proportion of men that use sex workers on the side, I think there should be more cuckqueans than cucks realistically.

I'm ok with it with my bf. Not sure I'd be ok with it with my husband.

Its hot that you are cool and keen with BF getting more pussy,.. and not with hubby. may I ask, if hubby is very submissive and BF is very dominant?

I imagine that BF is the type of suave attractive player, who has a virtual harem of hot women...

[Parsifal]

Although I have on rare occasion encountered a woman who loves to have their husband fuck other women, I suspect the limited erotic value for women may be biologically based.

Why do I say that? There are tons of guys who jerk off thinking about their wife having other men. I have yet to meet a woman who masturbates to the fantasy of her husband fucking other women. I just don't think that response is templated in their brains, but it sure is for lots of us guys.

My wife, as she says, does not "dream" about having sex with women or my fucking other women (although she has "gifted" me that many times over the years). But even when she was in high school she dreamed of having sex with the entire football team. She was, more or less, born to fuck many men, especially at the same time, and it is just part of her makeup. That erotic drive to share a spouse just seems to be a male thing.

Culture can give the appearance of something similar in women. Traditional Japanese culture reputedly expected that the wives of rich/powerful men find women to satisfy their husbands. A different type of "wifely duty" than we are familiar with in our culture. But I do not understand that sharing the husband was for the wife's erotic pleasure.

My gut feeling is that this is an inborn biological difference between the sexes.

This is a very thoughtful comment. I lean in the direction of it being a biologically determined difference, and for that reason I class compersion as a sexual orientation. Some people are predisposed to feel it, others have no clue what it feels like. My methodology is to consider surveys on prevalence of hits on the many types of porn fare online. Hotwifing is highly popular whereas hothusbanding has a comparatively miniscule following. It does exist. And I have known a woman whose favorite fantasy was imagining her husband having sex with other women including her closest friends. Some women do harbor those fantasies. But as you say, its rare.

There are some fascinating theories about why women by nature are flowers and men are swarms of bees. Sperm competition is one. Another is that the tribal nomads we all evolved from were more likely to survive if all of the men shared the women. All men in those tribal groups looked at all of the children as their own children. Breeding that way spread out the genes more too, so there were fewer highly recessive traits taking over.

[nevertoolate]

My limited reading in socio-biology leads me to also assume the survival strategy for women is more pragmatic and self centered for good reason. Males are the wild card both genetically and behaviorally, which seems to be a favorable reproduction strategy for the group. There are more extreme positive and negative traits in males. Males thus being more "expendable", women less so if survival of the tribe is to be. Several historical male genetic bottle-necks found seem to support this.

Yes, my money is on 60/40 nature/nurture. Fighting over female mates by males wastes energy and can lead to injury. Female capacity for multiple mates helps with genetics and keeps the peace. Peace can also be fun! Accepting additional mates for your female partner puts individual males at peace, reduces anxiety, and did I mention fun?

Back to the library.

[zorro]

I lean in the direction of it being a biologically determined difference, and for that reason I class compersion as a sexual orientation. Some people are predisposed to feel it, others have no clue what it feels like. My methodology is to consider surveys on prevalence of hits on the many types of porn fare online. Hotwifing is highly popular whereas hothusbanding has a comparatively miniscule following. It does exist. And I have known a woman whose favorite fantasy was imagining her husband having sex with other women including her closest friends. Some women do harbor those fantasies. But as you say, its rare.

There are some fascinating theories about why women by nature are flowers and men are swarms of bees. Sperm competition is one. Another is that the tribal nomads we all evolved from were more likely to survive if all of the men shared the women. All men in those tribal groups looked at all of the children as their own children. Breeding that way spread out the genes more too, so there were fewer highly recessive traits taking over.

All good observations. Our prehistoric ancestors would have enhanced group survival by sharing women and supporting children by other men. Reframing group survival as more than improving the chances of an individual male's sperm being passed around would have allowed an entire group to prosper. Sharing would have enhanced the chances of all males having more children than would have been likely for any one male to have sired and thereby provided sexual selection of those males eager to inseminate the group's females (or at least accepting of their insemination). Plus sharing would have selected for women who desire acquiring semen from multiple men. One can argue a combnation of natural and sexual selection is at work. Culture has tried to insist on otherwise, very much in the service of notions that women are to be regarded as property like a cow, a horse, or a field and therefore are not to be shared. These notions may well have emerged following the invention and dissemination (no pun intended) of agriculture.

Perhaps biological evolution selects for men who support and promote females being inseminated by multiple men; cultural evolution discourages that for social power reasons. And there are good biological reasons human males have the biggest penises in the primate world.

[bltn1966]

I’ve told the story before about an older couple that gave us our first and best swingers experience. The guys wife love, and I do mean LOVE, watching him fuck young ladies. My vocal wife Marie body quivering, multi-orgasmic wife was the ideal young lady for the husband and his beautiful wife. Me and the guys wife mostly sit and watch our spouses go at it.

The first night we were with them the guys wife would tell her husband what to do to Marie. He would quickly to as he was told. What position, when to use his fingers, mouth or cock, how fast and/or how hard she wanted to see him fuck my wife. She was barking out orders like she was East Germany gymnastics coach.

Me the lady sat on one bed while watching our spouses fuck on a bed next to us. The lady told her husband she wanted to see Marie’s face when she cum. The husband carried Marie over to the end of our bed. He position her on all four and facing us. The whole bed shook every time he thrust into her. The guy held Marie’s face up to us to make sure we had a good look at her face. Marie’s face was contorted as she moaned and screamed in pleasure until she had one of her body shaking orgasms.

We got out of swinging and my wife is mostly a HW. My wife will not date married men. However, the older couple the exception to the rule. I will always remember the time me and the lady watched her husband fucked Marie doggystyle. Marie collapsed onto the ground while having a body shaking orgasm. She went over to her husband and passionately kissed him. They straddled and stood over Marie’s still convulsing body. The lady looked down at Marie as if she was extremely proud of what her husband just did to her. She gave him a celebratory short blowjob and told him to get back to work.

[Aussiem]

My wife pushed me towards a few of her friends before we were married. I didn't do any more than a bit of groping and nipple sucking as I was unsure if it turned my wife on or was a test to see how far I would go. After we were married she continued even undressing me in front of her sister and stroking my cock. She got her sister to stroke it as well. A couple of years later we got naked with friends and I did fuck the other wife. When I was done. I looked and she was fucking him. That is how it all started. I think she was pushing us towards the swinging thing from very early on.