Found Bigger Condoms in Girlfriend's Room, Help

[HenryB12]

Holy shit. I just opened up my phone and saw a DM from Mia saying I might be a cuck. She is hanging out with Kate right now so she talked to her abuot it. Kate 100% knows. I think she drunk messaged me. Kinda freaking out right now.

[HenryB12]

Still all over the place. I’ve been pacing non stop for like 20 minutes. I was studying tonight and I put my phone on DND to focus. I finished up and checked my DM’s and saw the messages. These are all the messages from tonight. Figured some of you would want to see them. I don’t really know what to make of them. Sorry if I’m all over the place. It’s real now.

Mia 8:42 “I’m actually gonna spend the night at Kate’s.”

Me 9:48 “Ok, have fun.. Gonna keep studying. Goodnight love you.”

Mia 9:52 “Goodnight luv u”

Mia 10:25 “Kate has done threesomes with two guys and two girls.. She thinks I told you but I never did. Besides now before this.

Mia 10:27 “I said we both didn’t ever. You would have told me if you had one right. Kate thinks you did it before me. And you wanna have a threesome again.

Mia 10:29 “Or she said you might be a cuck. Maybe that’s why you like hearing about Justin”

Mia 10:30 “And your dream. She liked your dream and you fucking my leg asleep. We laughed about that.”

Mia 10:33 “Kate is back from the bathroom. She said you had a threesome and I believe you. I luv u.”

Mia 10:52 sends me her wordle score

Mia 11:19 “Goodnight. Luv u.”

[elina]

Thanks HenryB

I think your best approach in this situation is simply;

"Stay calm and keep focusing of how wonderful Mia is and how you would love to hook up with Her and focus on how to please Her as soon as She will allow you"

Sincerely
elina

[Funpa99469]

Henry, this is great timing and Mia has totally opened the door to what you’ve wanted. Just be open and honest with her about it. Mia sounds like she’s totally into discussing it and the possibilities. Good luck with it and let us know how things go!

[hornedhubby]

Very cool.

Hope you can keep your head on your exams.

Can't imagine how.

Mia is such a keeper. Play the long game, Henry.

The Kate factor.... Wow!!

Best wishes.

[hwlurker88]

Henry,.
I suggest to not freak out too much. But I would be a bit weary of Kate putting things into Mia's head. Primarily the cuck comment. You don't want Kate to be dictatiting to Mia who you are and what your desires are. A Cuckhold has evolved into a very broadly used term that that means many things to many people. It could simply mean that you want to watch Mia fuck another guy, or it could mean you want her to cage you and put a collar on you and peg you and never let you fuck her again. So, while Kate is almost acting as an ice breaker for you with Mia, I highly suggest that you have an open/honest conversation with Mia about your feelings so that a 3rd party such as Kate doesn't start putting labels on who you are.

It's time to be a bit more open with Mia!

[Wantsomefunto]

Tell her Mia and Kate should have a threesome and tell you all about it

[HenryB12]

Just woke up. I watched a movie last night after posting to calm myself, so I didn’t go to bed til very late. I checked our messages this morning and the ones from 10:25 to 10:33 have been deleted. Or unsent or something.

Henry, this is great timing and Mia has totally opened the door to what you’ve wanted. Just be open and honest with her about it. Mia sounds like she’s totally into discussing it and the possibilities. Good luck with it and let us know how things go!

Yeah you're probably right. Drunk words are sober thoughts or whatever the saying is. I'll try to talk with her about it. If she thinks it already, no reason to hold off. I hope she is into it. Will do.

Very cool.

Hope you can keep your head on your exams.

Can't imagine how.

Mia is such a keeper. Play the long game, Henry.

The Kate factor.... Wow!!

Best wishes.

Lol yeah. I'm trying to focus for my test next week and this happens.

Yeah, I think Kate definitely got nosy and they can't stop talking whenever they are together. And if they are drinking. Forget about it.

I appreciate the wishes.

Henry,.
I suggest to not freak out too much. But I would be a bit weary of Kate putting things into Mia's head. Primarily the cuck comment. You don't want Kate to be dictatiting to Mia who you are and what your desires are. A Cuckhold has evolved into a very broadly used term that that means many things to many people. It could simply mean that you want to watch Mia fuck another guy, or it could mean you want her to cage you and put a collar on you and peg you and never let you fuck her again. So, while Kate is almost acting as an ice breaker for you with Mia, I highly suggest that you have an open/honest conversation with Mia about your feelings so that a 3rd party such as Kate doesn't start putting labels on who you are.

It's time to be a bit more open with Mia!

Yeah, hard not to though. I was able to chill out last night and relax. I haven't done anything yet. I plan to talk to Mia about this very soon. I guess I'll have to fully admit to what I want as I don't want her to get confused by Kate (not that I think Kate would do anything bad or anything on purpose).

The time is now, ready or not.

Tell her Mia and Kate should have a threesome and tell you all about it

Mia has told me that she has no interest in women so I'm not sure if she would.


Thanks everyone for the help.

[Wantsomefunto]

Then maybe ask Mia to have Kate set her up for a mfm with two guys she has done it with?

[Dream Weaver]

It’s just a matter of time now. You will be a cuck and Mia is going to cuck you!

The next step is to be receptive to the idea once you are in person. Tell her “maybe?” and “should we experiment to see?”

That she uses the language is HUGE. Her friend is your greatest ally. It is very common for women to be (or act) turned off on the idea until a friend gives them the okay.

[scarfolamew]

Yeah, hard not to though. I was able to chill out last night and relax. I haven't done anything yet. I plan to talk to Mia about this very soon. I guess I'll have to fully admit to what I want as I don't want her to get confused by Kate (not that I think Kate would do anything bad or anything on purpose).

The time is now, ready or not.

Just remember, you guys are figuring this out together. Be honest with Mia about your desires, your reservations, all of it. I'm like, straight up proud of you both lol and I can't wait for you two to just eat the fucking world alive together

[Rebecca]

Really loving this thread. Good luck Henry!!

[hornedhubby]

Enrique, my man -

First of all, nice to hear from Rebecca, a person who understands herself and moves forward without shame.

By long game, I mean don't rush Mia or yourself into the cuck persona. Tease it out. You've acknowledged on this thread and in PM's with me two things. First, that you are both too young to make a decision to marry. And, two, that you absolutely view Mia as "the One."

IMO, this means that you probably should treat this like a long, slow burn, acknowledging to Mia that you have this kink and capacity to enable her sexual joy, eventually. But in the meantime, be the best lover she's ever had. Eat her pussy. Explore whatever you might do to pleasure her best and be confident that you can use your cock to satisfy her just as much. It isn't all about size. So much else goes into it.

I asked you earlier on this thread about your trust level for Kate. Her read on you is an interesting take. I'm not sure about the positivity of her influence on Mia and the development of Mia's understanding of the dynamic within your relationship. On one hand, she is certainly helping Mia understand what is going on inside your head. OTOH, Kate may be purposefully pushing this drama to an outcome before each of you are ready to deal with the scale of the challenge.

And, not just that. Mia has effectively outed you to Kate as a cuck wannabe. And you knew this was coming when you disclosed aspects of your kink to Mia, especially re: Justin. It was a matter of adding two plus two for two intelligent women. This is an incredibly powerful aspect of the cuck kink. To have other women know this is who you are and aspire to be. Heavy stuff for a 20-something, dude.

And, let me add, this aspect is, from the kink perspective, about as fucking hot as it gets.

But also potentially dangerous.

So what to do about the Kate influence? YMMV, but I'd suggest admitting to Kate's recognition and laughing it off. No shame. No damage to your ego. Don't try to counter her influence, let her play her cards and roll with it. Be playful and amused. Be cool and confident. Don't let her labeling effect your self-image and self-worth. You have Mia. That's an excellent position.

So, again, if Mia is the One, acknowledge your inclination to yield, eventually to her sexual freedom. Then explore that fantasy while learning to maximize your mutual pleasure. And do so in a way that allows you to hang on to this pretty damn special young woman until you are ready to commit your lives to each other.

Best luck.

[fraktastic]

There's a difference between "I want you to do this" and "I really like fantasizing about you doing this". If you're not pressuring her this should be a good conversation.

[Colliercuck]

Remember “the truth shall set you free!!”………freedom does cum from being truthful.
Think of how you want to say what you want/need to say, but understand this is part of you, or part of what you do enjoy and turns you on.
Once this is turned on, it’s very hard to say, “I’m going to change me, or my sexuality for someone else “
The thing is Mia is very very cool! You have laid a ground work of open conversation and sexual conversation.
You want that in your relationship, it’s important.
And as long as you’re honest and open with Mia, you will continue to receive that from her.
We sometimes let fear rule our decisions, and that doesn’t end well.
I love your story, I look forward to hearing you next update

[HenryB12]

Update: I'm going over to Mia's place tonight. We've been messaging but no mention of her messages. I plan on bringing them up.

It’s just a matter of time now. You will be a cuck and Mia is going to cuck you!

The next step is to be receptive to the idea once you are in person. Tell her “maybe?” and “should we experiment to see?”

That she uses the language is HUGE. Her friend is your greatest ally. It is very common for women to be (or act) turned off on the idea until a friend gives them the okay.

One can hope.

Yeah, I'm gonna be honest and finally tell her what I want (the basics, don't want to overwhelm her). I will be nervous as I am little right now, but I will do my best to see her reactions and vibe towards what I'm sharing.

A lot of people on here have said that Kate knowing is a big help and a good thing for me. I do like Kate and I would consider her a friend. I've never had someone know something like what she knows about me if that makes sense. Still makes me a little uneasy but the feeling hasn't been that intense.

Yeah, hard not to though. I was able to chill out last night and relax. I haven't done anything yet. I plan to talk to Mia about this very soon. I guess I'll have to fully admit to what I want as I don't want her to get confused by Kate (not that I think Kate would do anything bad or anything on purpose).

The time is now, ready or not.

Just remember, you guys are figuring this out together. Be honest with Mia about your desires, your reservations, all of it. I'm like, straight up proud of you both lol and I can't wait for you two to just eat the fucking world alive together

Yeah, I'll try my best. It will be hard to share some things but I'm gonna do it. I appreciate the support so thanks.

Really loving this thread. Good luck Henry!!

Thanks

Enrique, my man -

First of all, nice to hear from Rebecca, a person who understands herself and moves forward without shame.

By long game, I mean don't rush Mia or yourself into the cuck persona. Tease it out. You've acknowledged on this thread and in PM's with me two things. First, that you are both too young to make a decision to marry. And, two, that you absolutely view Mia as "the One."

IMO, this means that you probably should treat this like a long, slow burn, acknowledging to Mia that you have this kink and capacity to enable her sexual joy, eventually. But in the meantime, be the best lover she's ever had. Eat her pussy. Explore whatever you might do to pleasure her best and be confident that you can use your cock to satisfy her just as much. It isn't all about size. So much else goes into it.

I asked you earlier on this thread about your trust level for Kate. Her read on you is an interesting take. I'm not sure about the positivity of her influence on Mia and the development of Mia's understanding of the dynamic within your relationship. On one hand, she is certainly helping Mia understand what is going on inside your head. OTOH, Kate may be purposefully pushing this drama to an outcome before each of you are ready to deal with the scale of the challenge.

And, not just that. Mia has effectively outed you to Kate as a cuck wannabe. And you knew this was coming when you disclosed aspects of your kink to Mia, especially re: Justin. It was a matter of adding two plus two for two intelligent women. This is an incredibly powerful aspect of the cuck kink. To have other women know this is who you are and aspire to be. Heavy stuff for a 20-something, dude.

And, let me add, this aspect is, from the kink perspective, about as fucking hot as it gets.

But also potentially dangerous.

So what to do about the Kate influence? YMMV, but I'd suggest admitting to Kate's recognition and laughing it off. No shame. No damage to your ego. Don't try to counter her influence, let her play her cards and roll with it. Be playful and amused. Be cool and confident. Don't let her labeling effect your self-image and self-worth. You have Mia. That's an excellent position.

So, again, if Mia is the One, acknowledge your inclination to yield, eventually to her sexual freedom. Then explore that fantasy while learning to maximize your mutual pleasure. And do so in a way that allows you to hang on to this pretty damn special young woman until you are ready to commit your lives to each other.

Best luck.

Yeah, I've been trying to be her best. These last few months, we have gotten more open about sharing the specific little things we do to each other that we enjoy. Which has improved our sex life.

Regarding Kate. I'm not someone who opens up to everyone and shares my deepest secrets. Which is why I was uncomfortable with her knowing. It's not like I don't trust her or think she is someone who will tell everyone. Like I mentioned above, I do consider her a friend. But I don't plan on telling my best friends about this stuff and Kate isn't on that level.
I think it is good the Mia can bounce ideas off of Kate. However, I think you are right in that Kate does like a little drama. Not sure though if she is pushing us.

Yeah, Mia did out me as a cuck wannabe to Kate. Before this, I was aware that women talked about stuff. I just didn't know it was everything, even their partners' secrets. And with them talking about my curiosity, it probably wasn't that hard to figure out. And yes, when I think about reading someone else's situation, the friends of the girl knowing about the cuckolding is kinda hot. Just not as much for me cause I'm living through the situation. It might become hotter/ more arousing once I get fully comfortable. Even though I'm younger than most doing cuckolding stuff, I hope I'm ready to deal with the emotions and "heavy stuff" as you put it.

When you say " YMMV, but I'd suggest admitting to Kate's recognition and laughing it off.", are you suggesting I admit to Mia, telling Mia that I know about her telling Kate, or admitting to Kate that I know that she knows? A little confused so my bad. I assume, you are suggesting the latter. I might talk to Kate about it. It'll be pretty awkward for me though lol. I probably won't initiate the convo with Kate. I won't let Kate knowing affect my self-worth or anything.

Thanks.

There's a difference between "I want you to do this" and "I really like fantasizing about you doing this". If you're not pressuring her this should be a good conversation.

Yeah, I haven't put any pressure on her this whole time. Which has made Mia more comfortable. It should be a good conversation. I'm nervous but excited.

Remember “the truth shall set you free!!”………freedom does cum from being truthful.
Think of how you want to say what you want/need to say, but understand this is part of you, or part of what you do enjoy and turns you on.
Once this is turned on, it’s very hard to say, “I’m going to change me, or my sexuality for someone else “
The thing is Mia is very very cool! You have laid a ground work of open conversation and sexual conversation.
You want that in your relationship, it’s important.
And as long as you’re honest and open with Mia, you will continue to receive that from her.
We sometimes let fear rule our decisions, and that doesn’t end well.
I love your story, I look forward to hearing you next update

I've been brainstorming and thinking about exactly what I want to say. Hopefully I'm not too nervous to get my thoughts out clearly. I agree with your third line. Once I found those condoms, the fantasies kept coming back. Thanks.


I appreciate all the advice and outside perspectives I've gotten on here. It's nice to just write out my thoughts. Thanks.

[hornedhubby]

I meant share fully with Mia, acknowledging the texts that she unsent, and summarize how you are feeling in this moment. Do not make her feel bad. Comfort her and enjoy the process that is increasing your understanding as a sexual partnership.

And then move forward without shame.

If Kate teases you, laugh it off and admit your inclination but insist it's still just a fantasy.

Let Mia tell Kate whatever she wants. But, at this point, don't allow Kate to interrogate you in detail.

Look, H, I'm about as old as your grandfather. Others are suggesting you should dive in now. I say go slower.

[Colliercuck]

I agree with dreamweaver, Mia is going to make you her cuckold.
You are not the only one that enjoys this!!! Mia has enjoyed your conversations, the fantasies and the thoughts……and I believe both Mia and Kate enjoy talking about it also.
Just be yourself and be honest……..I bet when the conversation starts, if you are honest, and tell Mia, yes the thought of you and Justin, (or someone else) turns me on like nothing else and I can’t explain it completely, but I’m glad I’ve got you to talk to about it.
I’d be interested in where she takes this

[Wantsomefunto]

Henry
How did the talk go? Love to hear an update

[HenryB12]

Update:

I went over to Mia’s after dinner. We ended up chilling in her room for a while and then we had sex. We cleaned up and then started eating some cheesecake that she had. After we finished, I decided to start the conversation.

“I don’t really know how to bring this up so I’m just gonna say it. I saw the messages you sent on Friday.” Mia looks shocked. “I’m sorry, I don’t really know what those were. I was pretty drunk.” I say, “It’s okay. No need to apologize. I just wasn’t expecting to see them.” There is a short silence and I ask, “Were they more Kate’s ideas or your’s, or a mix of both?” Again, she just looks ashamed and doesn’t answer.

I grab and hold Mia’s hand and say, “Mia it’s ok. I know girls gossip and vent and talk about what’s going on with them. It’s fine” Mia takes a pretty deep breath and says, “Both of us. Idk, we got pretty drunk and I started telling her and we were bouncing ideas off each other.” She apologizes again and I remind her that it's ok for her to talk to Kate about certain things if she needs to, but keep it between the two of them. We keep talking and crack some jokes about me “sleep-humping” her. I also confirm to her that I’ve never had a threesome and Mia says the same.

Eventually after some more talking, I take a deep breath and tell Mia I’m gonna be honest. I tell her that the main reason I keep asking about Justin and her past is because it really turns me on and I want her to sleep with someone else again. That cuck stuff turns me on. I made sure she knew it wasn’t some sneaky way for me to sleep with other women after she slept with another guy (she asked). I was nervous admitting it, but she seemed receptive. Mia didn’t give a concrete yes or no to it. I didn’t ask as I didn’t want to pressure her into it. I told her I’d send her an article on it after I left in the morning if she wanted (thanks George, https://www.marriage.com/advice/relatio ... lationship). She said sure, she would take a look.

The convo was longer than this with her apologizing more and me comforting her. It’s hard for me to remember all the details. Sorry, I was nervous as well.

Also after we watched a movie and fell asleep. When we were up and moving in the morning, the vibes were good. She seemed comfortable/normal. Right before I left I sent her the article. Fast forward to today (Wednesday, convo was on Monday) and Mia and Kate were hanging out together. There is no doubt in my mind they discussed it. I’m still gonna take it slow as many of you have advised.

Thanks for all the help.

[Funpa99469]

That all sounds really good, Henry! And Mia seems very open minded to it all. I think this is the start of something really special for you two. Hopefully Kate and Mia discussed the positives and benefits of the lifestyle last night and you’ll further discuss with Mia tonight or this weekend. Please let us know. You should feel great for having the courage to be open and honest with her. It’s really a great testament to you being and becoming your true self.

[scarfolamew]

Henry you are the FUCKING MAN. Amazing update, and well played on all accounts.

One thought.. you can put less pressure on her by saying things like "It would turn me on if you slept with someone else" versus "I want you to sleep with someone else," and so forth. Just something to keep in mind as you navigate all this

[hornedhubby]

Nice catch, H.

[Colliercuck]

Amazing!!!! Mia is awesome!!! And so are you.
Hoping that this leads to more communication and a deeper bond for both of you.
Henry, when we keep something in and are afraid to share it, it has a power over us………you just took over that power and shared it with Mia, I think things could be interesting

[Wantsomefunto]

Good job Henry, hope you message Mia and ask how her visit with Kate went