Found Bigger Condoms in Girlfriend's Room, Help

[jratt85]

I honestly think you should try getting a little closer to Kate.. If she's going to know all about your sex life through Mia, I think you should be able to confide in her too and be able to see her ideas on it and maybe the two of you together could set Mia up... and if you ever end up into pegging or anything down the road she might end up being good to have around.. or even if you got into being humiliated about it at all, Kate might be the perfect one to take control of you while you're watching Mia get her brains fucked out by someone else in person.. having Kate dominate you and stroke/deny you while Mia's coming her brains out in front of you. (though that's likely a ways down the road, just something that popped into my mind)

[Dream Weaver]

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I've been doing some thinking the past several days and I'm heavily considering going the Kate route instead of the ad one. People on here and in the PM's have supported both. I've typed out the message to Mia asking if she'd wanna ask Kate to maybe recommend a guy but deleted it without sending it. Kate has been with a lot of guys and would know who Mia would have chemistry with. And Mia may already know some of Kate's past hookups by meeting them at parties or something. IDK. I plan on seeing Mia this week so I might bring it up in person later. Still undecided but leaning going to Kate.

Would you really send a text? First, it's evidence for later. Second, I think she'd be more receptive if you bring it up in person. Just my 2 cents.

[joel68]

Involving Kate is a good idea.

[Topnotch]

I think it would help definitely move things along

[hornedhubby]

Encouraging Mia to get Kate's suggestions to identify a well-hung and well-performing guy is not a bad idea, but I would suggest that you be more oblique in that approach.

In other words, involve Kate as part of a non-urgent strategy to find someone eventually for Mia 'in the wild.' Let Mia share with Kate your development as a kinky couple, as she has up to this point. Have fun with it. Ideas will emerge.

No need to rush this. Just have fun with it and with each other.

[patw3268]

The most entertaining outcome is the most likely.
Kate should help

[hornedhubby]

If Kate becomes part of your search for Mia's future stud, I'd suggest you steer clear and edit out anybody in your current college community.

For you and for Mia, the old adage applies: 'don't shit where you sleep.'

Find an outsider, perhaps a guy from Kate's hometown.

Also, what if you grabbed the bull (ha, ha) by the horns and suggested she fuck Justin again? Have her ask him if he'd like to fuck her one more time. If he jumps at her offer, she can then suggest your involvement and make it a threesome. Then take a road trip with Mia for a sex date.

Obviously, it would require a lot of discussion before reaching that climax. And Mia could still share these discussions with Kate.

But I wondered if you had thought of Justin as the best option?

One benefit is for the sake of your ego. Mia has demonstrated that she can walk away from Justin and still fall for you.

Another benefit is that you will learn a lot about Mia's true desire to try this by merely suggesting Justin. If she dismisses it out of hand, that would be an indicator that she is simply not ready. If she is open minded about it, you can proceed to fantasizing about it and arrive at a mutual vision of how it would/should play out. You both can enjoy the process and each other and take it forward in the easiest way.

And maybe the best benefit is that it would put Mia fully in control of making this happen.

[Lookitselvis]

Henry, thank you for sharing your journey here. It's beautiful and hot.

Quick niche questions - Mia told you that Justin used to give her facials.
Do you? Did you ever cum on her face?

[armyguyot1]

Welcome to the forum Lookitselvis.

[HenryB12]

I honestly think you should try getting a little closer to Kate.. If she's going to know all about your sex life through Mia, I think you should be able to confide in her too and be able to see her ideas on it and maybe the two of you together could set Mia up... and if you ever end up into pegging or anything down the road she might end up being good to have around.. or even if you got into being humiliated about it at all, Kate might be the perfect one to take control of you while you're watching Mia get her brains fucked out by someone else in person.. having Kate dominate you and stroke/deny you while Mia's coming her brains out in front of you. (though that's likely a ways down the road, just something that popped into my mind)

I mean, we are friends but I don't plan on having that type of relationship with her. Her and Mia can talk about stuff. And tbh, I don't foresee Kate doing anything more than maybe helping out.

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I've been doing some thinking the past several days and I'm heavily considering going the Kate route instead of the ad one. People on here and in the PM's have supported both. I've typed out the message to Mia asking if she'd wanna ask Kate to maybe recommend a guy but deleted it without sending it. Kate has been with a lot of guys and would know who Mia would have chemistry with. And Mia may already know some of Kate's past hookups by meeting them at parties or something. IDK. I plan on seeing Mia this week so I might bring it up in person later. Still undecided but leaning going to Kate.

Would you really send a text? First, it's evidence for later. Second, I think she'd be more receptive if you bring it up in person. Just my 2 cents.

Yeah, I didn't end up sending a text. I was thinking maybe since we were getting more comfortable, I could text her about it and save myself the awkwardness of asking in person. Even though we have basically only talked about it in person.

Henry, thank you for sharing your journey here. It's beautiful and hot.

Quick niche questions - Mia told you that Justin used to give her facials.
Do you? Did you ever cum on her face?

You're welcome.
I do sometimes. Before, I would just cum in the condom in her, but as we haven't really been using them, I've came on her face more often. But it's mostly on her stomach or back/butt.

If Kate becomes part of your search for Mia's future stud, I'd suggest you steer clear and edit out anybody in your current college community.

For you and for Mia, the old adage applies: 'don't shit where you sleep.'

Find an outsider, perhaps a guy from Kate's hometown.

Also, what if you grabbed the bull (ha, ha) by the horns and suggested she fuck Justin again? Have her ask him if he'd like to fuck her one more time. If he jumps at her offer, she can then suggest your involvement and make it a threesome. Then take a road trip with Mia for a sex date.

Obviously, it would require a lot of discussion before reaching that climax. And Mia could still share these discussions with Kate.

But I wondered if you had thought of Justin as the best option?

One benefit is for the sake of your ego. Mia has demonstrated that she can walk away from Justin and still fall for you.

Another benefit is that you will learn a lot about Mia's true desire to try this by merely suggesting Justin. If she dismisses it out of hand, that would be an indicator that she is simply not ready. If she is open minded about it, you can proceed to fantasizing about it and arrive at a mutual vision of how it would/should play out. You both can enjoy the process and each other and take it forward in the easiest way.

And maybe the best benefit is that it would put Mia fully in control of making this happen.

Kate lives far away from our college so that's not really an option.

I think I said this in a PM with someone but Justin's college is very far away. So as hot as it would be for him to be the bull, it's not gonna happen unfortunately.

TBH, before the stuff went down with my family this summer, Justin was the best option in my head. But now it seems very unlikely so I've been fantasizing about someone else. (No one in particular, just not Justin.)

Yeah I guess I could still bring it up even though it won't happen. Just to gauge where Mia is at.

Involving Kate is a good idea.

I think it would help definitely move things along

The most entertaining outcome is the most likely.
Kate should help

Update:
I've been at Mia's since Sunday afternoon. It's been eventful. We hung out with Kate and her other friends on Sunday. Even if it was just me, Mia, and Kate, I doubt I would of had the balls to bring it up. Then today, we just went to a couple parties. Mia is asleep and pretty hammered. Didn't bring it up today. I was almost ready to send a text but didn't and now I can't bring myself to bring it up. If she's feeling ok tomorrow I might bring it up if there is a good time. Don't get your hopes up. Also, Kate was acting different. Idk if I'm imagining it cause I was drinking, or if it was because she was drinking. Like, I know she knows already but I'm feeling nervous like I was months ago when I didn't know if Mia was talking to her about it. Sorry for the lack of progress if you were expecting something big.

[elina]

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Update:
I've been at Mia's since Sunday afternoon. It's been eventful. We hung out with Kate and her other friends on Sunday. Even if it was just me, Mia, and Kate, I doubt I would of had the balls to bring it up. Then today, we just went to a couple parties. Mia is asleep and pretty hammered. Didn't bring it up today. I was almost ready to send a text but didn't and now I can't bring myself to bring it up. If she's feeling ok tomorrow I might bring it up if there is a good time. Don't get your hopes up. Also, Kate was acting different. Idk if I'm imagining it cause I was drinking, or if it was because she was drinking. Like, I know she knows already but I'm feeling nervous like I was months ago when I didn't know if Mia was talking to her about it. Sorry for the lack of progress if you were expecting something big.

Henry,
Thanks for updating, I am impressed by your persistence and patience.

You should NEVER be sorry for a "lack of progress"!!!
The real value in these threads is when the OP is telling it as it is.
What people commenting on your thread opines with respect to what you should do is their fantasies and inputs to you for consideration. I suspect some threads goes off into fantasyland because posters think they have to meet the audience expectations. Please never go that route.

I also think that it is good for you and Mia to progress at the pace Mia is comfortable with.
You should focus on Her needs, Her desires, that is what the best and most supportive cuckolds do.
Keep loving Mia!!! Give Her freedom, but don't push Her into doing something to placate your fantasies.

Just my opinion as usual, for you to decide if you agree.

Sincerely
elina

[hwlurker88]

What elina said!

[Wantsomefunto]

Great progress Henry, probably ask Mia how she would be comfortable finding a guy to experiment with, gently suggest maybe Kate would have an idea of how Mia should look. I think Kate offering up someone she knows will come naturally then.

[Kate88]

Hi HenryB12, glad to hear about you and Mia. Does she go to the gym or exercise? Buy her a nice sexy gym outfit and let her make some friends at a gym. There's always at least one or two strong confident men who are keen to chat to girls at a gym. Mia can then decide who she feels comfortable with to take it further. It worked for me. Also I agree to what you said about having a stable partner for Mia, it's easier and helps build trust better compared to having one night stands with different guys.

Bigger is better and college is for having fun, embrace it! Kisses, Kate

[HenryB12]

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Update:
I've been at Mia's since Sunday afternoon. It's been eventful. We hung out with Kate and her other friends on Sunday. Even if it was just me, Mia, and Kate, I doubt I would of had the balls to bring it up. Then today, we just went to a couple parties. Mia is asleep and pretty hammered. Didn't bring it up today. I was almost ready to send a text but didn't and now I can't bring myself to bring it up. If she's feeling ok tomorrow I might bring it up if there is a good time. Don't get your hopes up. Also, Kate was acting different. Idk if I'm imagining it cause I was drinking, or if it was because she was drinking. Like, I know she knows already but I'm feeling nervous like I was months ago when I didn't know if Mia was talking to her about it. Sorry for the lack of progress if you were expecting something big.

Henry,
Thanks for updating, I am impressed by your persistence and patience.

You should NEVER be sorry for a "lack of progress"!!!
The real value in these threads is when the OP is telling it as it is.
What people commenting on your thread opines with respect to what you should do is their fantasies and inputs to you for consideration. I suspect some threads goes off into fantasyland because posters think they have to meet the audience expectations. Please never go that route.

I also think that it is good for you and Mia to progress at the pace Mia is comfortable with.
You should focus on Her needs, Her desires, that is what the best and most supportive cuckolds do.
Keep loving Mia!!! Give Her freedom, but don't push Her into doing something to placate your fantasies.

Just my opinion as usual, for you to decide if you agree.

Sincerely
elina

Thanks as always elina. I've been surprised by my patience as well. However, as you'll see in the update, might not need to be for much longer . I won't try to meet anyone's fantasy expectations, but if the suggestions seem right for my situation, I might try them.

Great progress Henry, probably ask Mia how she would be comfortable finding a guy to experiment with, gently suggest maybe Kate would have an idea of how Mia should look. I think Kate offering up someone she knows will come naturally then.

Check my update below.

Hi HenryB12, glad to hear about you and Mia. Does she go to the gym or exercise? Buy her a nice sexy gym outfit and let her make some friends at a gym. There's always at least one or two strong confident men who are keen to chat to girls at a gym. Mia can then decide who she feels comfortable with to take it further. It worked for me. Also I agree to what you said about having a stable partner for Mia, it's easier and helps build trust better compared to having one night stands with different guys.

Bigger is better and college is for having fun, embrace it! Kisses, Kate

She does go to the gym and exercise occasionally. I like this idea though. And yes, having one partner rather than a bunch is what I'd prefer. Thanks Kate88.


Update: Just got moved into my house and am ready for the school year to start. To cut right to the chase, I had the conversation with Mia about finding a bull by asking Kate for a recommendation. She is into finding someone and eventually sleeping with them. I can sense her being way more comfortable as I've continued to reassure her that this will only strengthen our relationship as long as we keep communicating. She wants to have the convo with Kate without me there (I'm happy with this as it would be very awkward for me to be there with Kate). School is starting this week so now would be a good time for Mia to do it. Not too much homework yet. But I won't rush her.

Also, we have roleplayed with Justin and the blindfold again and Mia seemed to be pretty turned on. So more good signs.

Thanks for all the advice and encouragement thus far.

[hornedhubby]

All good things, H. The best thing is Mia is gaining confidence and taking control of the next step as indicated by her willingness to ask for Kate's help. It's very cool and it's very hot.

I understand your reluctance, but is there a part of you that would relish the opportunity to share in the girl-talk with Kate about potential fuck buddy studs for Mia? If not this time, maybe after the ice gets broken?

You explained why Justin is not a readily available option. Nevertheless, when you did your recent role play with the blindfold and with Justin in the fantasy stud role, did Mia acknowledge that she'd love to fuck him again? While you watched?

[joel68]

Yeah, Horned, that would be the ultimate fantasy, lol.

[elina]

Dear Henry

I am very happy for you and Mia.
I trust you will be actively supporting and loving Mia whoever She chosses as Her bull.

Sincerely
elina

[Wantsomefunto]

Henry
Glad you suggested Mia talk to Kate about it. Like you mentioned, make sure you two communicate your feelings to each other. Also go slow, have her maybe just do coffee or lunch first time then talk about how you feel and how she feels. Keep building on your open relationship and make it stronger, don’t let her pull away from you if possible. Celebrate small steps with her.

[Wantsomefunto]

Henry
Glad you suggested Mia talk to Kate about it. Like you mentioned, make sure you two communicate your feelings to each other. Also go slow, have her maybe just do coffee or lunch first time then talk about how you feel and how she feels. Keep building on your open relationship and make it stronger, don’t let her pull away from you if possible. Celebrate small steps with her.

[HenryB12]

All good things, H. The best thing is Mia is gaining confidence and taking control of the next step as indicated by her willingness to ask for Kate's help. It's very cool and it's very hot.

I understand your reluctance, but is there a part of you that would relish the opportunity to share in the girl-talk with Kate about potential fuck buddy studs for Mia? If not this time, maybe after the ice gets broken?

You explained why Justin is not a readily available option. Nevertheless, when you did your recent role play with the blindfold and with Justin in the fantasy stud role, did Mia acknowledge that she'd love to fuck him again? While you watched?

Yeah, Horned, that would be the ultimate fantasy, lol.

I think it would be hot from an outside perspective but I'd be so nervous during the conversation. If Mia asked me to be there, I would, and once I got over the nerves, it would be crazy hot to look back on. So yes, it'd be hot after the ice gets broken. However, in the times I've interacted with Kate after she heard about my fantasies, the ice hasn't broken yet. Sorry to ramble in this answer. Final answer: If me and Kate had acknowledged what she knows about me in person, I'd probably do it and it would be really hot. But since we haven't, I'm ok letting them talk it out alone.

When we were in missionary, I said something along the lines of "I know you'd like Justin in you again," something like that. She didn't say anything but she moaned so that's an indirect sign she's turned on by it. No mention of watching though.

Dear Henry

I am very happy for you and Mia.
I trust you will be actively supporting and loving Mia whoever She chosses as Her bull.

Sincerely
elina

Thanks as always elina.
Yes, I'll support her and the guy she desires.

Henry
Glad you suggested Mia talk to Kate about it. Like you mentioned, make sure you two communicate your feelings to each other. Also go slow, have her maybe just do coffee or lunch first time then talk about how you feel and how she feels. Keep building on your open relationship and make it stronger, don’t let her pull away from you if possible. Celebrate small steps with her.

Oh absolutely. I assume your talking about her and a new guy meeting up first and having a date first. I wouldn't want Mia to sleep with someone right away, I'd want to make sure she is comfortable with him. And I'll do my best to keep communicating about our feelings.


More details: Someone PM'd me and asked for more details about the conversation I had with Mia, suggesting she talk about sleeping with someone from Kate's past.

Mia actually really liked the idea. I think she was nervous about being on a dating app or going on dates with random men. With Kate's opinion on these guys, she knows that they won't be weird or creepy. I asked Mia if she'd like me to be there and she thought about it for a moment, and said she wants to talk with just Kate. Hopefully that means she will be more open with seeing which guys seem attractive without me there. Also, I told her that I won't push her to any guy she isn't comfortable with, but I'd like for her to make sure the guy has a bigger dick than me. Her response was super hot. She said something like, "yeah, I was planning on it, I know that really turns you on". She's already thinking about someone that's hung. She then started reassuring me that my dick is great and she likes my size, you know, the common lines. I also asked if she had someone in mind and she teased me by saying she might. I must've had a crazy look on my face (not bad crazy but crazy turned on) because she said she was kidding.

[hornedhubby]

Thanks for the great update.

Thanks, too, for replying to my queries about the shape of your fantasies and kinks at this moment and sharing your view of Kate's interesting role in the process. I'm not surprised that it's a big turn on to feel outed to Kate as a cuck wannabe. And not surprised that you prefer that Mia and Kate further the conversation and exploration without your presence and participation this time. I agree that this is the best choice, especially as it is Mia's preference.

What I don't quite understand is your own preference for Mia to be dated and seduced by a guy who would then assume the role of second boyfriend. I suspect this arises from your respect for Mia and desire that she not feel slutty or cheapened by the thrill of wild, no-strings attached sex.

I think this is something you and Mia may wish to discuss.

If I were 45 years younger and wearing your shoes, I think my preference would be to find a sport fucker to be Mia's stud. Not a guy who will want to date her a couple or few times before getting her into bed. Not necessarily a one-night stand but I'd consider spontaneity a virtue for a first time hook up. Especially if Mia's target is a guy recommended by Kate for sexual talent (and size). If the chemistry is there perhaps the rapport would grow, at least until the sexual new relationship energy wanes away.

This viewpoint partially explains why I suggested Justin earlier in the thread. I'd suggest a guy similar to Justin. One who will fuck her good. But not fall for her.

I think you said earlier in this thread that you and Mia shared sexual histories and that she said she had previously fucked ten other guys. This indicates she has a few times enjoyed sex for the pure recreational pleasure of it, with no agenda of furthering the relationship. Indeed, her escapades with Justin fall into that category.

I'll stop there. You and Mia are capable of figuring this out all on your own.

So, for your consideration, I'll offer best wishes and hit the submit button.

[Dirknofistski]

What an incredibly hot story, sounds like you're on the cusp of something awesome. It's extremely hot that Kate knows and they're going to talk about this, that conversation would be insane to hear.

I didn't see it in the thread earlier, but have you described what both of them look like?

Have they ever done anything together? An extremely hot (and probably not as unlikely as you'd think) possibility is them having a threesome with another guy. Once they're fucking the same guy, anythings possible. Have you considered that as a possibility? How would that make you feel if she did that?

[HenryB12]

Thanks for the great update.

Thanks, too, for replying to my queries about the shape of your fantasies and kinks at this moment and sharing your view of Kate's interesting role in the process. I'm not surprised that it's a big turn on to feel outed to Kate as a cuck wannabe. And not surprised that you prefer that Mia and Kate further the conversation and exploration without your presence and participation this time. I agree that this is the best choice, especially as it is Mia's preference.

What I don't quite understand is your own preference for Mia to be dated and seduced by a guy who would then assume the role of second boyfriend. I suspect this arises from your respect for Mia and desire that she not feel slutty or cheapened by the thrill of wild, no-strings attached sex.

I think this is something you and Mia may wish to discuss.

If I were 45 years younger and wearing your shoes, I think my preference would be to find a sport fucker to be Mia's stud. Not a guy who will want to date her a couple or few times before getting her into bed. Not necessarily a one-night stand but I'd consider spontaneity a virtue for a first time hook up. Especially if Mia's target is a guy recommended by Kate for sexual talent (and size). If the chemistry is there perhaps the rapport would grow, at least until the sexual new relationship energy wanes away.

This viewpoint partially explains why I suggested Justin earlier in the thread. I'd suggest a guy similar to Justin. One who will fuck her good. But not fall for her.

I think you said earlier in this thread that you and Mia shared sexual histories and that she said she had previously fucked ten other guys. This indicates she has a few times enjoyed sex for the pure recreational pleasure of it, with no agenda of furthering the relationship. Indeed, her escapades with Justin fall into that category.

I'll stop there. You and Mia are capable of figuring this out all on your own.

So, for your consideration, I'll offer best wishes and hit the submit button.

Sorry, I think I worded it wrong. The "dating" would just be a first date or something where Mia could meet a guy and feel out his vibe. And if they felt something, progress that to sleeping together. Not actually continue to go on dates. And those were only my thoughts based on her liking the idea of going to Kate to find someone. So no second boyfriend. I just want her to feel comfortable and attracted with the guy she selects. Hopefully I explained myself properly.

I agree, I don't want her to have to date someone for a while before sleeping with them. I want someone she is really attracted to, to put the moves on her and take her to bed. A sport fucker like you put it. I just want her to be comfortable with it. And if that happens to involve a spontaneous one-night stand on the first time meeting, that would be awesome (and super hot).

Yeah, I was more focused on Justin and digging into her past with him that I didn't find much else out about her other past guys. I guess she could've had some one night stands before.

Thanks. Your responses make me consider things I haven't been thinking about.

What an incredibly hot story, sounds like you're on the cusp of something awesome. It's extremely hot that Kate knows and they're going to talk about this, that conversation would be insane to hear.

I didn't see it in the thread earlier, but have you described what both of them look like?

Have they ever done anything together? An extremely hot (and probably not as unlikely as you'd think) possibility is them having a threesome with another guy. Once they're fucking the same guy, anythings possible. Have you considered that as a possibility? How would that make you feel if she did that?

Mia is a brunette, brown eyes, white, 5'6", slim thick with a pretty big butt.
Kate is shorter than Mia, blueish eyes, white, skinnier than Mia. She's a good looking girl but I think Mia is way hotter.

I don't think they've done anything more than kiss while drunk. Someone else brought it up earlier than maybe something could happen with them two and me or another guy. I don't think Mia wants me sleeping with Kate or anyone else and I'm not sure how it would be once Mia sleeps with a guy Kate has in the past. But I think it's pretty unlikely. So I have thought about it before. It would probably be pretty hot but I'd be more focused on Mia with the guy rather than Kate I think.

[HenryB12]

Mia and Kate's conversation is happening tonight. Mia just texted me, letting me know she is heading over to Kate's house later today and will ask her. It's weird, I can feel the cuckold angst feeling even though nothing has happened yet. At least, that's what I think it is. I hope it goes well and Mia finds/hears about a guy she likes and wants to sleep with.